Anon on CinemaSins | TheaterFire

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TheFurryofFury@reddit

CinemaSins isn't criticism through, some regarded person half watches the film then makes up a bunch of reasons why it sucks, rinse and repeat for infinite YouTube updoots.

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Miquel101@reddit

please, educate me, CinemaSins is supposed to be humorous and ironic with how it criticizes the movies, no?

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eyekore@reddit

He goes in and out of actual criticism and satire but either way he's not funny at all

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YoungDiscord@reddit

Just wait until you find out humour is subjective

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Watch... well, anything of his. He showcases some very clear favoritism and bigotry in almost every video. CinemaSins uses that "it's just a joke guys!" line as a handwave for their awful takes. It's a very "Everything I say is a joke, it's just satire... unless you agree with it. Then I'm serious." type energy coming from his channel. I also remember a common criticism they receive being a lack of legitimate separation between their "character" and their genuine opinions.

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AmaterasuWolf21@reddit

How does he uses bigotry? I've seen some comments on his videos where it's the opposite

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UsErnaam3@reddit

One thing I can point out is his conservative connection to gender roles and the way he downplays the roles of female characters while also judging male characters for not being "man enough" and stepping up where the women had to.

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KillerMiller13@reddit

Now you're making things up. It's not like I'm an active fan or anything but I've watched probably like 50 videos, I've never once noticed him downplaying the agency of women or saying characters aren't "man enough". Give an example or get out.

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UsErnaam3@reddit

"Or get out" you really thought you did something there. How self absorbed are you that you think I'm gonna sit there and watch anything more of his just to prove something to you? You watched 50 videos of his, don't call yourself a fan, and can't find one of the most blatant things I have noticed back when I watched them.... you might just be inobservant and a bit in line with his opinions too much to notice.

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KillerMiller13@reddit

All this garbage, just so say "trust me bro". "Like there'd ever be a reason for me to make this up". Yeah, because no one on the internet lies lmao. if it's so blatant, point me to a section of a video. Not to mention insulting my character is absolutely unacceptable. I'm trying to get a source from you, and you start insulting me. "Unobservant". "A bit in line with his (supposed) opinions", basically calling me sexist. That's so low, damn.

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arbiter12@reddit

>uses "bigotry" unironically opinion instant discarded

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Fargoth_took_my_ring@reddit

...do you think bigotry is not real?

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maggiemayfish@reddit

Bigotry was invented in 2009 to sell mouse pads and energy drinks, everybody knows that.

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Ye_olde_oak_store@reddit

Please, if there is a better word to describe bigotry (umbrella), educate us.

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cabose12@reddit

Basically what tuned me out of him. He tries to juggle insightful critique and humorously nitpicky but drops both eggs

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PuffinRub@reddit

I think that's perfectly fair criticism. He can't pick a lane to stay in and has no consistency to his criticisms.

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Carlosthefrog@reddit

> he's not funny at all Funnier enough to make a career out of it at least.

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Sbotkin@reddit

Youtube was different back then. Nowadays that wouldn't fly. And tbf it's close to impossible to make a career from youtube alone now.

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eyekore@reddit

Funny enough to make somewhat good videos for a while and then use the popularity he got from those videos to only produce slop til the sun explodes

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Neomataza@reddit

Was funny like 10 years ago. It's no longer funny and has been going on so long that the format itself has become a meme.

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Skibidiohiorizzlrr@reddit

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AmbulantCholesterol@reddit

Used to rail on bad movies but then started nitpicking good ones and just feels forced

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Tortiose_unturtled@reddit

Yeah but if you don't try then it's just having a professionally grating and bad opinion

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duva_@reddit

Yes, but in reality is just someone who didn't get or even care to understand anything about a movie and that can't follow what's going on at all, but still marks everything as a `sin`

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Italian_Devil@reddit

Jokes are supposed to be funny

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Draidann@reddit

Nah, he is your typical "I'm only joking" bro. Everything he says is serious untill you call him out on his BS; moment which everything becomes just a joke.

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romulusnr@reddit

At first it was fairly jocular and sarcastic with the legitimate flaws they found, but then it became "what bullshit way can we make it have more "sins"" and just got kind of stupid.

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FoxyMiira@reddit

Cinemasins was never ironic except in the beginning. His first videos included some jokes and some actual editing errors like a camera guy in the view. But then it became nonsense especially his videos that are 20 min +

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LeatherDescription26@reddit

The long and short of it is the joke criticisms aren’t funny and they do a shrodinger’s douchebag but instead of offensiveness it’s about how serious the criticism is. Also if you watch some of there not EWW videos they make it clear that they’re trying to make some broader point about Hollywood but iirc they’ve never explicitly said what that point is aside from “unoriginality” which is a conversation the people who run that channel are not capable of having because frankly it requires a lot more intelligence than they possess

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bunker_man@reddit

Yes, but sincw half the fans are dumb they treat it like real criticism.

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DiabeticRhino97@reddit

Maybe 10% of the sins are legitimate criticism

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FinaLLancer@reddit

Humorous and ironic criticism is fine but a lot of times they just straight up lie about what's happening in the movie to ding it. Which, again, would be fine, but they're kind of the movie popular movie criticism channel and too many people take them at their word.

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C-130Hercule@reddit

he’s schrodinger’s movie reviewer. if you agree with it, it’s honest criticism. if you disagree, then it’s just satire.

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ParadoxicalEnigma92@reddit

It didn’t use to be. When it first came out, it was about legitimate issues and plot holes with movies. Now it’s pretty much just nitpicks and call backs to their own jokes and they’re wrong on things they “sin” because it’s obvious they didn’t actually watch the movie, just had someone write them a script. It’s like if you were trying to use a Webster dictionary to find definitions and all the definitions were from urban dictionary instead and then a lame joke.

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CutHerOff@reddit

No and to be honest I don’t think I’ve seen a video of there’s since inception but some of the og content was really funny to child me. I don’t think that’s an endorsement of witty or insightful commentary though

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Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit

CinemaSins is just bad comedy. Its not real criticism, its just jokes. And the jokes suck Having said that, I dont see how that warrants how obsessed people are with painting them as the devil of Filmtube

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Boris7939@reddit

Cinemasins is satire. You shouldn't take it seriously. They often sin movies of which they openly admit they like.

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jollycompanion@reddit

You described a lot of YouTube content

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Pheeshfud@reddit

Hasn't been funny since they caved to the algorithm and made every video 20 minutes. Back when you could tell how good a movie was just from the length of the video it was funny.

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lewd-boy-o@reddit

Does anyone actually find Cinemasins funny? Hell, even just entertaining?

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Rud_Fucker@reddit

I did at one point, but that was right years ago

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Sbotkin@reddit

At this point even Cinemawins is tired and unfunny. The genre is dead.

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romulusnr@reddit

I mean, CinemaSins is a gag. But honestly a gag that has gotten over the top more and more as time has gone on. They really stretch. I seem to remember earlier on that they weren't so stretchy and just literally found the flaws, but now coming up with bullshit non-flaws (and flat out lazy mistaken ones) just to inflate the flaw count seems to be the new thing, and I found it increasingly dishonest and stupid where at first it was gratifying to see things called out.

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TheDeltaOne@reddit

The "bing" count has to go high and they have running gags to cram in. People liked the flow, it was always about the the rythme of those videos. It has to go "bing" every few seconds and the cadence of the way the guy talks has to be the same a lot via catchphrases for the flow to work. It's a very 2015 type youtube format where the running gags and catchphrases work and are prevalent. Movies are tropey by nature so it was easy to coin a few of them and rotate them whenever the trope or the same repeated writing crutches appeared. It's not hard to do, you can play a drinking game while watching any Hollywood movie and you'll get drunk. So a 5 to 8 minute video is easy enough to manage. But because longer youtube videos became more popular and because they had coined a few catchphrases that are no longer prevalent (Blue Lasers in the sky or Anna Kendrick), they went with longer videos and crammed more and more "sins" to go for the longer runtime and use as many of their catchphrases pool they could. That what people liked. Except even with veryt tropey, bad movies you can't find 20 minutes of stupid shit to say. Everything Wrong with The Room (from 2013) is a 8:30 minutes video. Everything Wrong with Weapons (from this years) is 21 minutes long. One is about a catastrophe of an indie movie and the other one is about a pretty good horror movie featuring Tommy Wiseau. Yes they strech it. But people taking it seriously are insane. Yes, they have stupid takes on a lot of movies but also, the format is fucked and they have to find non-existant sin to ding and make it work. And it's insignificant. Nobody who watches those videos are falling for it. I don't think they do at least. I don't know what they get out of it because it stopped being funny a long while ago but they don't form an opinion on movies from "The ding channel".

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romulusnr@reddit

Well but that's part of the issue, it used to be you could take it sort of seriously, when they weren't overdoing it.

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Aromatic-Procedure77@reddit

i just liked cinema sins because they recapped a movie and then i could decide wether to watch it or not. it was more of I watched there how to beat/you would not survive and i thought they were interesting

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Dd_8630@reddit

It's sad that Cinema Wins has gone the same way. It used to celebrate the good in movies but now it's like "the hulk is on screen? 3 wins"

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ZenPyx@reddit

I like his attitude that all movies have some merit, but yeah, he's so clearly like someone's random dad who just gives wins for shit he thinks is cool. Even so, I think it goes down easier winning than sinning

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Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit

Nah its just the same problem in reverse. Hell, Toxic Positivism has probably done more harm in the last decade than whiny critics have cause the industry backs those shills.

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ZenPyx@reddit

"Toxic Positivism" is when I like a movie You think Cinemawins has industry backing? Are you stupid?

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Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit

I dunno if CinemaWins specifically has industry backing, I dont know who that is But yeah, the kind of "Just have fun, let people enjoy things, if you're critical you are a hater" critics are the ones getting backed by the industry.

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ZenPyx@reddit

That isn't really the point of that channel. He mostly just talks about interesting bits in movies, points out parts of bad movies that have a good premise, or interesting cinematography, or a cool behind-the-scenes story. I don't think he's trying to get people to watch X-men Last Stand (2006) as like... an industry ploy... I think it's moreso highlighting that even the worst movie can still contain labours of love I think it's a bit weird to go around calling someone a shill when you don't even know who this guy is, and instead, using it as a chance to push your strange agenda

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gunnerajf44@reddit

I thought the entire point of cinema sins was them nitpicking things that didn't matter even a little bit just for the hell of it. I never once took them as a serious movie critic im not sure why some people are.

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a-hecking-egg@reddit

Every time CinemaSins is the topic of some conversation/thread/whatever, everyone always says something like "CinemaSins is a wackjob and he shouldn't be taken seriously because all his points are super exaggerated!" Correct me if I'm wrong bevause it's been years since I've watched him, but doesn't he literally leave that as a disclaimer in the beginning of every video?

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John_isnt_my_name@reddit

Jermey (guy whose runs it and is the voice) can put a disclaimer, doesn’t mean it’s true. When you go on minute long rants on minuet details it starts being real criticism. That wouldn’t be a problem if the ‘plot holes’ weren’t just explained later in the movie or sometimes even before. He can’t be both the dumb idiot who makes bad jokes and exaggerates everything and a valid critic at the same time. He barely plays dumb anymore either, it’s just “Bitching About ____ for Over Twenty Minutes.” Plus he’s super egotistical. There’s a rant video where he acts like he’d be the greatest screenwriter ever and Hollywood blackballs him because he’s too good. Like no, you can barely convince HonestTrailers to collab.

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Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit

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Quitthesht@reddit

He's Schrodinger's Critic. If he points out a legitimate flaw in a film it's because it's a genuine mistake and they're super serious critics bringing light to poor quality media. But if it's misinformed, explained away or straight up wrong then they're just a bunch of goofs making a silly video for laughs and you shouldn't take what they say seriously. They've also expressed some pretty awful jokes/views like sinning every Harry Potter movie until Deathly Hallows because "Emma Watson isn't old enough to be hot yet" (*she was* ***11*** *in the first film btw*).

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pinwroot@reddit

CinemaSins is so devoid of actual criticism but rather so caught up in nitpicking that it serves no true purpose besides an attempt at being edgy. At least CinemaWins tries to celebrate movies. It sends a message that even at their worst there’s still things to love. CinemaSins is like a 14 year old boy who’s mad at any movie that doesn’t show free boobies.

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Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit

Yup, that's the point That's the whole joke of the channel It's not a good joke. Definitely not a "bit" I'd ever sit through. But you cracked it!

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Spark555@reddit

just so everyone knows,the sins in CinemaSins' "satirical" videos are often the same complaints found in his candid videos he does on the way back home from the movie theater

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Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit

ok.

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Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit

There's a weird vein of breadtubers like bobvids and FoldingIdeas who are creepily obsessed with Youtubers most others just think "Their content is pretty sloppy. Oh well." and move on

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JotaroKujoxXx@reddit

I thought cinemasins was always 100% ironic and was just acting regarded, was it not? If not hollyyyy shit the channel might just be terrible

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TheDeltaOne@reddit

Everything wrong with the room is 8 minutes and Weapons is 21. Yes, they're padding and making shit up. Of course they are.

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AmarantaRWS@reddit

Cinemasins used to be funny but they ran out of material and often grasp at straws to give sins to generally popular movies. They've become lazy ragebait.

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fecal-butter@reddit

anon demonstrated the level of media literacy needed to enjoy CinemaSins

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AbadeersGhost@reddit

Oh no the "Media Literate" have hopped on

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Absolutemehguy@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/dkm8q1zhuy4h1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa983a4f696cc70039c1d6fe981baba5551d218e Media literacy is no joke, chud!

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PuffinRub@reddit

Starship Troopers, perchance?

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Absolutemehguy@reddit

Yep.

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Venomswindturd@reddit

Sir, if you don't like something I like it's because you're not media literate. If I don't like something you like, it's because it's slop.

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Ok_Being4209@reddit

Hop on this dick, whiteboy.

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fecal-butter@reddit

bruh

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champdude17@reddit

L take from anon. Cinemasins is terrible and should be called out.

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Bexcz@reddit

I used to think that CinemaSins and CinemaWins was made by the same team, and that sort of made all the slop sins OK to me, but then I realised that CinemaWins is a different dude's channel to counteract the amount of negativity from Sins

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Jaterkin@reddit

\>someone criticized a youtuber I like \>I will now make a post seething about them What compels someone to do this?

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kpingvin@reddit

Youtubers making videos about other youtubers is one of the lowest forms of entertainment for me. Probably only beat by family youtube and beastificated videos.

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Absolutemehguy@reddit

>What compels someone to do this? unemployment

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romulusnr@reddit

Hey, that's pretty neet

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Jack_Burton_Alone@reddit

Lol

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Swimming_Ad_9459@reddit

> Someone criticized a 4chinner I like > I will now make a post seething about them What compels someone to do this?

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Ardalev@reddit

Honestly, for me they've always been the best way to sorta "speed watch" a movie and see if I'd like to then watch it properly or if I should skip it. I can't complain, through the years I've managed to both discover some interesting movies that I wouldn't had otherwise, and also avoid some stinkers because of them.

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goldfire29@reddit

gutted that cinemawins is now in a content house/management umbrella with cinemasins. youtube is looking kinda grim

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Biggu5Dicku5@reddit

Hate farming is very common nowadays...

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Emergency-Safe-3651@reddit

Cinema sins is supposed to be a comedy video with a guy bitching about small things in the movies

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PeterP1227@reddit

Then he acts like he actually makes film criticisms one breath later like he’s only ever been serious.

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fluffynuckels@reddit

Thats part of the humor

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PeterP1227@reddit

The humor is he’s terrible at film criticisms and humor?

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fluffynuckels@reddit

Yes. Not saying i find it funny but yes it is part of their shtick

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PeterP1227@reddit

Didn’t used to be. Used to actually be fun facts about film mistakes and continuity errors. Then succumbed to the slop.

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Kaijufan1993@reddit

The thing is they blur the lines by saying that they give legitimate criticism and blatantly lie about the films they criticize. In Pacific Rim for example the kaiju Leatherback has an emp weapon that it uses to disable the giant robots called Jeagers. One of the Jeagers, Gypsy Danger was immune to the emp. The mean that Gypsy was still able to fight Leatherback. The first thing they do is rip of the emp and CinemaSins gives the film a sin for Leatherback not using the emp and shows clips from after the weapon was torn off.

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WallScreamer@reddit

Nah, he just tries to play the "haha gotcha I was totally kidding" card when people call him on his dogshit takes.

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Vincent_Heist@reddit

CinemaSins is so stupid, I couldn't even watch 5 mins of any of their videos (tried watching 2). Every little thing is a sin to them apparently. "Character's right foot is in front of the left foot in a neutral stance, SIN". That's what they sound like.

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ElfEarsAndDwarfBeard@reddit

#BING #BING #FUCKING BING

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ElfEarsAndDwarfBeard@reddit

I just hate the *bing* Make a point *bing* Make a joke *bing* Make a fucking cake *bing*

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LeatherDescription26@reddit

Bobvids’ criticism of cinema sins is imho a really well thought out takedown. That being said I think birdman’s everything wrong with cinema sins videos are a better entry point into why they’re dumb

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SopranosBluRayBoxSet@reddit

Thing that bugs me about cinemasins is that he forces plot holes to complain about, and many of his seemingly valid criticisms are just him removing context to get a ding. Plus a lot of sexist/juvenile humour.

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ReturnRadio@reddit

Cinema Sins is trash though.

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Thendrail@reddit

The duality of man https://preview.redd.it/ta9xp1t1wy4h1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6699b9b9e9703dc1e9d4ef4ad16e0206a53d7ec1

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70U1E@reddit

Let's get super meta https://preview.redd.it/q3zkt1upyy4h1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40eee2c93cbaca8d1b59f00a83f2a690ef41e81d

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Thendrail@reddit

We can go beyond https://preview.redd.it/azwy8fuq1z4h1.jpeg?width=712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a666567f67cce53ea715ac03834e9c9471dbc1b2

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RipDove@reddit

This is totally straight and I'm glad I spent my time looking into this comment chain, I hope you all don't die and I wish to see more content like this in the future.

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Maelzoka@reddit

The thing with CinemaSins is that they summarize a 2h movie in 20 minutes, while occasionally dropping a funny comment. You're not supposed to give any credit to their critics, even if they say you should.

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xXHalalManXx@reddit

Cinemasins is like if the critics from Rotten Tomatoes had a youtube channel

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slaying_mantis@reddit

'defending CinemaSins' cliche \*ding\*

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PUNCH_KNIGHT@reddit

Were people actually watching cinemasins for real movie criticism?

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TehGremlinDVa@reddit

It's how Jeremy presents it he gives actual criticism mixed in with jokes to the point it's hard to differentiate between the two. He also likes to Larp as a legitimate movie critic when it benefits him or an actor says they like his show. Also and this is just personal history book is dog shit yet he criticises other people's writing.

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yasth@reddit

I mean in this case with an original that has 3.6 million views on a channel that is currently at 111k subs (broadly as a rule of thumb you expect a video to do about the same or a bit below your sub count in views, I'd imagine it was money. Also, it did 4.1 Million views for a sequel, so it was a good call.

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