We already built socialism in America. We just only let soldiers use it.
Posted by Sahar_the_new_dawn@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 18 comments
Every generation produces people who see that something is wrong and try to fix it.
And every generation watches those attempts get absorbed, defanged, or destroyed by the same system they were trying to change. This isn't cynicism. It's a pattern. And until we understand why it keeps happening we're going to keep repeating it.
Here's the pattern. Someone sees a problem. They build something inside the existing system to address it. For a while it works. Then the system grows around it, into it, and eventually the thing that was supposed to fix the problem starts to look exactly like the problem it was trying to fix. Unions started as a radical act of collective survival. Now some of them protect their own bureaucracy first. Social programs started as a lifeline. Now they're wrapped in conditions, restrictions, and endless funding cuts. Good ideas don't fail because they were wrong. They fail because unchecked power always finds its way in.
It's like being allergic to mold and instead of tearing the house down you build a clean room inside it. For a while you can breathe. But the mold is still in the walls. And eventually it gets in. And everyone points at the clean room and says see, it didn't work. That's not proof the idea failed. That's proof you can't fix a moldy house by cleaning one room inside it.
We've been told for decades that certain ideas simply don't work. That the one system we have is the only system that functions. That anything else is dangerous, naive, unrealistic. This is one of the most effective lies ever told. It works because it's repeated so constantly and from so many directions that it starts to feel like common sense.
Here's what they don't tell you.
The United States military is one of the largest socialist institutions on earth. Every person who serves gets universal healthcare with no premiums. Free housing. Subsidized food. Free education. A retirement pension. All of it taxpayer funded. All of it guaranteed regardless of rank or background. Nobody calls this a handout. Nobody tells a wounded veteran to shop around for a cheaper hospital. We decided as a country that people serving a collective purpose deserve to have their basic needs taken care of. We already proved it works. Then we said it was impossible for everyone else.
Japan carries the highest national debt in the world. Over 250% of their GDP. By the logic we're sold every time someone proposes investing in people, Japan should have collapsed decades ago. Instead they have universal healthcare, world class public infrastructure, and one of the highest life expectancies on earth. The story we're told about what a country can afford for its own people is a political choice. Not an economic reality.
This isn't about capitalism versus socialism. That framing is the trap. Every time someone proposes something that might actually work, someone slaps a label on it and suddenly half the population is arguing about an ideology instead of a solution. No single system has all the answers. What works is taking the parts of every system that actually function and building something honest from those pieces. We already do this. We just only do it for some people.
The real question isn't which system is right. The real question is why we keep accepting a system that works beautifully for a small number of people and calls that a success.
There's a word for what happens when you try to change that system from inside it. Compromise. Not in the good sense. In the sense of being slowly reshaped until you are no longer a threat to what you were trying to change. This is what happened to every movement that got close. The moment it could be bought, absorbed, or discredited it was. Not always because the people leading it were weak. Because the structure they were operating inside was designed to do exactly that.
And here is what bothers me most about all of it.
When people point to these failures they use them as proof that trying is pointless. But the failure wasn't in the trying. It was in where they tried. You cannot build something genuinely new inside the thing you are trying to replace. The environment will shape it until it becomes what you were fighting against.
So what do we actually do.
We stop asking the system for permission to replace it. We start building something outside it that works so clearly and so visibly that people can see the difference with their own eyes. Not a utopia. Not a perfect alternative. Just something real that functions. Something people can point to and say that works, I want that.
The people who tell you it's impossible are the same people for whom the current system is working just fine. Their impossibility is your inconvenience. Don't let them set the limits of your imagination.
We have more power than we've been told. And the first step in using it is refusing to accept that the house has to stay moldy because someone who benefits from the mold says so.
Letter 3 is about the foundation of what we actually need to build. Not philosophically. Practically. Starting with something so basic we've never thought to question who controls it.
Your identity.
Tell me in the comments, what's the one thing you've seen fail that you believed in? I want to know what it cost you. Because those failures are not the end of the story.
Straight-Razor666@reddit
lol...op doesn't know what socialism is, and neither does the AI generator they used to write their post. Socialism BEGINS at democracy from the people up. There is NOTHING democratic about the military. They have no vote in anything. They obey orders.
Sahar_the_new_dawn@reddit (OP)
You're right that genuine socialism requires democratic control from the bottom up and the military absolutely doesn't have that. My point was narrower than that word probably allowed. We already fund universal healthcare, housing, and education for a specific group of people through collective taxation. Whether we call that socialism or not, the infrastructure exists and works at scale. The philosophical framework behind it is a separate argument worth having.
AI helped me organize and edit my thoughts the same way someone might use an editor or a writing tool. The ideas, the frustration, the experiences behind it are mine. If the writing seems too clean I'd rather hear what felt off than have that be a reason to dismiss what it's saying.
Straight-Razor666@reddit
Words have meaning. Using "socialism" to describe a system that is absolutely not socialist confused people from the true meaning of it and whom it serves. It's a disservice to everyone. The US military is a weapon of the ruling class.
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PurpleAriadne@reddit
Meritocracy (to some extent) and socialism only exist for our soldiers. Yes there are plenty of promotions that are more political that merit based but at the lower ranks it shows a clear line of progress and what is needed to achieve each level.
This doesn’t exist in the real world. If you’re a good employee for a smaller company you are just as likely to be screwed by family members or more.
Good worker bees are kept in worker bee jobs for a reason.
i-hear-banjos@reddit
Law enforcement agencies do this as well.
No-Leopard-1691@reddit
The military isn’t socialism because the troops don’t get a say in their own operations nor do they own the means of work. There are social democratic policies and benefits given exclusively to military personnel like you mentioned but that doesn’t make it socialism.
oldcreaker@reddit
So everything could be government run and that would not be socialism? As long as the workers have no say in how its run?
No-Leopard-1691@reddit
Correct. Everything being run by the government means it is State run; thus why terms like State Capitalism exist.
Trauma_Hawks@reddit
Yes. An authoritarian state like NAZI Germany or Fascist Italy had direct government control over some industries and are absolutely not socialist.
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No-Papaya-9289@reddit
Or, all these extras are just part of the soldiers compensation packages.
TrickyProfit1369@reddit
its social democracy AT BEST
Professional-Way6952@reddit
A welfare state is not the same thing as socialism. Socialism is when the workers own the means of production.
thehomeyskater@reddit
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nazutul@reddit
Socialism has to do with how owns the means of production and the how the proceeds of that production are distributed. A social program(s) that exists within our military isnt socialism, because it doesnt have to do with ownership of the means of production and the distribution of the proceeds of production.
eilif_myrhe@reddit
A generous welfare state for a few may just be a type of privilege.
Someones_Dream_Guy@reddit
calmly beats you with dictionary WORDS. HAVE. MEANING.
Sahar_the_new_dawn@reddit (OP)
If this resonated at all, Letter 1 is where it starts. It's less about systems and more about why any of this matters in the first place.