If this is your teenager, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
Posted by ProfessionalBee8281@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 217 comments
Not my post but comments were locked. Be mindful when on the road.
OP is u/Street_Surprise_405
For all the random bashers of the OP and “throwing the book”, or “handbook” (DMV) at them, let’s have an unnecessary lesson.
First of all, it is a “yellow arrow”, and although the “handbook” doesn’t state the same precautions as the solid yellow light, a reasonable person would hopefully piggy back those precautions when adding to the specifics of the yellow arrow. Solid yellow means “caution” as most people have stated via the “handbook”, and it also tells you to stop if you can do so safely (at a yellow light) and if not proceed through the intersection. (I personally think the wording should be swapped. If you can safely cross the intersection on a yellow, do so, and if not, stop as safely as possible.) But, distractions cause people to neither be able to judge nor pay attention to the momentum (speed) of the car, and the timing of the light because they obviously have no clue when the light turned yellow or what the speed limit even is at a particular intersection (bc of distracted driving).
On a yellow arrow, however, “the protected turning time is ending SOON. If you cannot stop safely, or are already in the intersection, complete your turn.” (Btw that is page 33 of the handbook https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/california-driver-handbook-pdf ). And with this one my opinion remains the same with the wording of the solid yellow light scenario. If you are going to stop at a yellow light, every time, you better hope you have great car insurance, a good lawyer, and move somewhere rural so you don’t get your butt beat for stupid driving. Red means stop, so idk why the terminology in the “handbook” of stupidly and not thoroughly proofread wording/thought processes, includes yellow as a safe option to stop at first, instead of safely proceed through. If it isn’t safe to proceed through, obviously stop, but you have to have a decision point (everyone has one at a yellow light or arrow) where you know you are good, know there is no chase you would make it through without running a red light, and then times when it miiight be a testy go or slightly hard adjustment of the brakes and seat belt.
Now go to page 47. As a bicyclist (and using that term as a generality bc this handbook doesn’t specify e-bike specific enhanced responsibilities, liabilities, or consequences if driven recklessly), “obey all traffic signs, SIGNAL signs, and basic right-of-way rules.” This kid has no concept of this basic responsibility.
Now page 58, safe driving and knowing what is at your side and maintain space to maneuver safely and react. “Look both ways, even at intersections where traffic has a red light or stop sign.” Pretty sure, the OP did exactly that. They saw the kid, despite still having the legal opportunity and RIGHT to turn, then stopped because they reacted to the unexpected dingleberry not paying attention to the “stop” on the pedestrian crosswalk signal.
There is your “handbook” 101. Driver technically and legally had the right of way to proceed with their turn, but, given that they were able to adjust and react (as safely as possible) to a kid (that was neither paying attention to nor obeying the traffic laws that they are legally supposed to) and stop, without any collision, fatality, or block the intersection, is pretty admirable, considering the circumstances.
BIZUx@reddit
OP making all that fuss about abiding the law, when they are accelerating through a yellow light themselves.
Come on.
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
This isn’t my post. The original user that posted is listed above, so I shared it to this community bc people need to pay attention. If they accelerated THROUGH the yellow light, then how are they still behind the crosswalk, stopped at the red light? And why is the e-bike rider just nonchalantly, essentially running a red light, and that is okay?
Motocampingtime@reddit
So you posted it here for some kind of high horse superiority feeling then? 🤔
Powerful-Race-8538@reddit
The biker is for sure making the error in this video
I think the decision by the driver to chase the yellow can still be scrutinized as well theres a reason that trying to blast a yellow is generally considered to be a non ideal decision the car definitely could have rightfully chosen to take the red
I dont think this video is really about the ebike regardless
TheDefectivePawn@reddit
Honestly good point. If the light was yellow then the teenager was looking at a stop hand when they entered the crosswalk. Kid's a dumbass.
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
FINALLY someone understands what I am saying.
The_walking_man_@reddit
We get you. It’s the one that’s are loudly and constantly supporting reckless driving on e-bikes and emotos that are playing dumb.
Taurion_Bruni@reddit
The dash cam also shows them at a constant 42-45 mph until they stopped. Hardly accelerating
BIZUx@reddit
I didn't once say the biker was in the right, but it's irresponsible of the driver regardless.
OP stands for "original poster", which isn't you. Thought that was clear, no? Thanks for sharing it here btw.
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
The post I shared was by the OP that I cited at the beginning. The “laws” part was my comment I couldn’t post bc the OP’s video and post got locked, but people were arguing over the DMV handbook so I gave the pdf links and pages to the corresponding traffic laws.
BIZUx@reddit
Same here, thought you meant for this as a sort-of secondary "comment space".
Look, I'm not disagreeing with you regarding who had the right of way, but saying driver was fully in the clear is not something I agree with.
Saving 2 minutes to speed through an intersection is not worth it because of idiots like this.
slacknsurf420@reddit
look how dumb it looks when a car suddenly stops at a red light "ohhh didn't see that"
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
The light wasn’t red when they stopped. Maybe you need your eyes checked
OppositeResident1104@reddit
It sounds like you either don't drive or don't do it very well,
You pick a spot of no return before you enter an intersection.
BigEmu__@reddit
They see the light is about to turn red. They have enough time to make a slow stop. The responsible thing to do here is to make a stop.
I genuinely hope I never meet you in traffic.
TCMinnesotENT@reddit
They would've been 3/4 of the way through the intersection before it went red, but some dumb ass kid wanted to die.
BigEmu__@reddit
It was yellow for 3 seconds before we even see the kid. What about this is so hard to understand
Verneff@reddit
It turns yellow at :04, the bike is visible at :05, they come to a stop at :07, and the light changes to red at :08. Opposing traffic doesn't start moving until :14. If they had maintained their pace, they would have been most of the way through the corner by :08, and opposing traffic wouldn't have gotten their green until well after they were through the corner. Lights are generally timed with a gap like that because people make corners on yellows.
BigEmu__@reddit
If your entire point is they technically could've made it and therefore shouldn't at all drive defensively and care about others I think we have a bigger problem at hand.
And your timing is off.
Verneff@reddit
I'm explaining it as almost everyone in the US and Canada treats it. From a defensive driving POV, you're safer taking the yellow than trying to stop since people behind you may assume they can run the yellow too. And like I said, the lights are timed to expect people taking the yellow right up to the last second.
What part of my timing was off? I was just scrubbing the Reddit video player so I only get the timestamps it gives.
BigEmu__@reddit
Sauce?
As long as you don't come to a dead stop, people behind you are obliged to keep sufficient distance even if that were the case.
That is based on your previous premise. So what?
The reddit video player is so bad, I don't fault anyone for being off. But you're right it might've been slightly less than 3 seconds till we saw the kid.
Verneff@reddit
Source is my own experience driving and being on the road across various cities. When I was a new driver I nearly got rear ended when someone slammed on their brakes because I stopped for a yellow, and I had several people honk at me for it. Eventually I just started following what traffic does and ran the yellows because it was safer than someone watching the light rather than me and hitting me.
OppositeResident1104@reddit
If you can safety enter and make the corner you would, I wouldn't There isn't enough time to safety make it through an intersection of that size.
I have a feeling you camp the left lane and try to police the roads.
BigEmu__@reddit
What are you trying to say?
OppositeResident1104@reddit
What are you trying to say?
It seems like you had a point of trying to be a douche canoe but I'll continue past that.
It seems like you're expecting everyone to stop for every red light. You need to remember not all drivers are paying attention, and many are not paying attention to pedestrians or cyclists crossing intersections against their light, I have friends who bicycle (dirt jumpers, dh guys) who ride like that and I can't ride with them because of it, that close call shit might be cool when you're 15, but these are grown ass adults acting that way.
Asking someone to come to dead stop from above 70 km/h, while being actively in the turning lane with what I assume was an advanced green, means you need to brake about 60m on clean, dry asphalt with perfect conditions, a vehicle with tires that are not worn and a driver who is not distracted.
There is a reason neighbourhoods in my city and many Canadian cities have dropped the speed limits to 40km/h. The chances of someone surviving from an accident is much higher at lower speeds and that is statically proven.
BigEmu__@reddit
Huh, I've made no personal insults but you certainly have.
Yes, I'm expecting everyone to follow the law and drive responsibly. The car would've easily crushed that kid if they weren't careful. What are you expecting?
They had multiple seconds to react and make a slow stop. Stop twisting this. We all saw the video bud.
Doesn't matter. You don't turn until you're in the intersection anyway. If anything you're proving my point that they should've slowed down.
The driver wasn't distracted, they stopped very quickly after they saw the kid. A distracted driver has no business in an intersection.
OppositeResident1104@reddit
That's the whole take away. holy fuck,, I hope we never meet on the road. you'll understand how it sounds to get honked at for looking at the light too long.
BigEmu__@reddit
I'd rather look at the light and drive defensively than crushing someones kid regardless of who had the right of way.
Do better.
OppositeResident1104@reddit
Cool story bud
Motocampingtime@reddit
Lmao at the huge explanation you have for trying to run that yellow CLEARLY turning red when you obviously should have stopped. Nobodies reading that junk 🤡😂. Yeah sure whatever you say.
The bike is not right either, but learn to drive before you post videos wanting to shame others 😂😂😂😂
ntech620@reddit
EBike at fault. Ebike crossing against a red no walk light. Car needs to yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk. Which he did by the way. So no fault to him.
Worth-Reputation3450@reddit
But that wasn't a pedestrain. Running yellow is not illegal.
ntech620@reddit
If you take the video up to full size you can see the bike has a red no walk light.
Cargobiker530@reddit
Everybody sucks there.
WatermelonSmashing@reddit
Wtf did the driver do? Stop to wait for a kid who was running a red? O no!
Shadowfalx@reddit
Try to beat the yellow. At 44mph the driver had plenty of room to stop when the light changed to yellow. Yellow is designed to give people who can't stop time to get through the intersection.
That doesn't mean the ebike rider was smart or right in what they did either.
WatermelonSmashing@reddit
If the child was in the crosswalk before it turned yellow, they were crossing on a red.
You can clearly see that in the video. Yet you tribally side with the child on an ebike. Don't be like that, it's really rather pathetic to side with something that you know is wrong just because it's on your side.
CartographerDizzy102@reddit
They were asked what the driver did wrong under a comment about everybody sucks here. If you want a complete answer, here ya go:
The biker was in the wrong for several reasons (crossing on red, wrong direction etc), and therefore sucks.
The driver did nothing illegal, but was driving aggressively, and therefore sucks.
The road design encourages aggressive driving, and therefore sucks.
WatermelonSmashing@reddit
It's not the bicyclist problem even though they are in the wrong from the get go! It's the roads fault!
Jalharad@reddit
Yes the cyclist was in the wrong, but the driver was also in the wrong trying to beat the yellow instead of stopping. The driver is slightly more liable because if she had slowed and stopped for the yellow then the cyclist being there or not would not have mattered. I'd be surprised if it was any more than a 60/40 spread though.
WatermelonSmashing@reddit
To even get to that point the child on an ebike was already crossing on a red. Again you are clearly biased.
Verneff@reddit
Ehh, she was just trying to get to the turn before the light changed. Doesn't seem all that bad, and had the bike not been there she wouldn't have been endangering anyone by doing so.
Technical-Row8333@reddit
So does the road design
dodonpa_g@reddit
People siding with the bike taking the crosswalk before the signal are braindead
AlarmingDiamond9316@reddit
To be fair, the POV car wasn't going to make the light, so instead of speeding up to try and run a red light, they should have slowed down.
While the bike girl was an Idiot.
the POV car was a true retard.
RemarkableKiwi5082@reddit
Yeah the kid is dumb but from the looks of things she would have done this on a razor scooter too it ain’t the bike.
Masgarr757@reddit
100%. She’d have probably done the same on foot. Not an e-bike issue. Just someone with poor safety/traffic awareness. That’s it.
The_walking_man_@reddit
This is why I’m fine with getting rid of e-bikes. Too many people are in support of reckless driving.
There’s not a single week that I haven’t had one go flying around people on a trail and well above the posted 15mph. Along with the idiots flying through stop signs and on sidewalks.
Get rid of them. The community can’t manage themselves and want to celebrate this nonsense, well those actions have consequences.
Wild59Bill@reddit
IMHO the worst offenders for going through stop signs & speeding on pathways, (which is 20 kph ((12.5 mph) where I live), are regular bikes, especially speed demons in their multi coloured Tour de France outfits & narrow tired bikes. When I hike on mountain trails in Gatineau Park, the Mountain bikers are even worse & you have to jump out of the way when you encounter one. Also they have created 4-times the number of illegal trails, for every legitimate trail. You can only have what the USA calls class 2 eBikes & they all have throttles & speedometers, - So stopping & starting again at red lights & stop signs is easy & we always know what speed we’re doing. We do have a few idiots riding motorcycle style electric bikes (Not ebikes), but it’s not a big problem here due to police enforcement.
So I guess what you really want is to ban ALL bikes, - Even the overwhelming number of good eBikers.
The_walking_man_@reddit
Around here, it’s not the traditional bikes racing down the trail.
And if they were doing that then they need enforcement.
The e-bikes are increasing the likelihood of someone riding recklessly. It takes no skill. A flip of a switch and they’re flying down the trails, nearly clipping people. And it’s not just kids. Adults too.
Yes we need more enforcement here. But based on the constant support that is shouted out against any kind of regulation, I’d rather see them banned.
Wild59Bill@reddit
You’re just anti-eBikes. That’s why you’re making things up. Where I live the majority demographic for eBike riders is the 55+ age group & we ride very safely. Due to police enforcement, we don’t have a crazy 12 yr olds speeding issue, - Since you have to be 16 yrs old to ride one. You’re also absolutely wrong about traditional bikes Not being the problem. Maybe you should start your own subreddit community for grumpy obnoxious people who hate eBikers, - Since you definitely don’t belong here.
The_walking_man_@reddit
Wild to be randomly saying I’m lying. That is the situation here where I am.
Your demographic is different. And that’s good for you. It’s not good for us here at this location.
It’s also why the City is looking at banning them. When they put it up on their agenda, I’ll be happy to send a link.
Wild59Bill@reddit
But it’s people like you who are complaining to your City Council, - That’s the real problem. I still don’t believe that there is not a problem with regular bikes where you live. I don’t deny that you may also have an eBike problem, - But it’s definitely NOT the older demographic that is causing your perceived problems. Your useless City Council should be passing a bylaw banning kids (who are the main problem) until they are at least 16 yrs old. Your City Council is also a big part of the problem for not demanding the police enforce the rules, - Which you have already said is a big problem where you live.
Powerful-Race-8538@reddit
The person in this video wasnt even engaging in the motorized portion of the e bike they just have poor road skills if that were a non motorized bicycle they would have made the same failure to yield as they did here
The_walking_man_@reddit
When they rode off you can clearly see them not pedaling and the bike accelerating. They were using the motor.
NewBGenesis@reddit
There was no real relevance. Pedal or auto same person would ofdid the same thing in the same speed
The_walking_man_@reddit
That wasn’t what the person was saying. They brought up the motor. I was responding.
The rider is an idiot either way.
Powerful-Race-8538@reddit
If you take a look here ive used state of the art technology to zoom in enhance and then highlight the subject in question
Where you can see a clear rising of the foot and knee which would indicate a pedaling motion is taking place as she entered the crosswalk which would be the moment in question
After she looks over at this car she's take her feet off of the pedals and onto the ground to maintane balance
She then puts her feet back on the pedals and appears to enhage the motor but the motor neing activated after the poor crosswalk usage didnt contribute to what happened in the video
Revelati123@reddit
Again, take the motor out and tell me how this situation changes? I can use my own 2 legs to jaywalk and almost get hit by a car...
EndSmugnorance@reddit
These examples of negligence could occur with regular bikes so gtfo with your authoritarian, regulatory, pearl-clutching Karen mindset.
The_walking_man_@reddit
Did I strike a nerve?
Regular pedal bikes should be regulated for speeding on trails too.
But guess what, it’s the e-bikes that are riding recklessly on these trails around here. It’s the e-bikes driving like that without having to do any pedaling or kind of training. Flip a switch and go. Nah. Get rid of them.
hare-tech@reddit
Stop hiking Bong drop and Art school then looser. We cut those trails not you.
Revelati123@reddit
Wheeled vehicles kill millions...
BAN THE WHEEL!
The_walking_man_@reddit
I’m fine with stricter enforcement of vehicles. Too many people driving recklessly and repeatedly allowed to do so.
Stopakilla05@reddit
Imagine coming on r/ebikes and saying you're in favor of banning them, what could go wrong.
BlasterCheif@reddit
That’s enough reddit Gram.
OppositeResident1104@reddit
I'll get a license if I need to be able to ride the ebike. Ontario is already talking about a Low Speed motorcycle license for e-bikes up to 70km/hr
The_walking_man_@reddit
License would be a good start. Along with a plate to identify people riding recklessly. We need more enforcement.
perf1620@reddit
Both are wrong.
Bikes a moron for that.
Truck speeding up to jam a wide yellow arrow left isn't the brightest either.
Reynolds1029@reddit
I'm not defending the bike here but it is a result of bad infrastructure for bikes that we have in this country.
BusinessCasualBee@reddit
No, it’s not the case in Irvine.
Jbarn2012@reddit
Our country is absolutely terrible for anyone not in a vehicle and even sucks in some places for vehicles.
mikee8989@reddit
Yeah. In my town we have at least 5 crosswalks with lights and they always have the red hand and never change. Been like that for 10 years now. The first few times I waited at one for 15 minutes and there's no button.
0akleaves@reddit
Even better are the crosswalks with buttons that don’t do anything. Push the button, wait through 3-4 changes of the main traffic light, and no change of indicator.
Way bigger issue I see here even than the cyclist’s immediate behavior or infrastructure issues is the lack of lighting, reflectors, and other visibility cues on the bike or rider. Even with everything else done perfectly it would be damned easy for a driver to completely miss that bike and rider against all the movement etc of a road, especially at a multi lane crossing.
OppositeResident1104@reddit
I'll side with you my friend, Bad infrastructure for cyclists and to be honest cyclists should never have to ride across intersections that are not correctly controlled for them. British Columbia has some of the best infrastructure outside of Ottawa, Ontario. My home city has shit infrastructure where most of it doesn't connect, unless you ride the roads.
BusinessCasualBee@reddit
They’re so unbelievably stupid. Makes you reconsider anything you read in comment sections, the masses on this site are terrifyingly, confidently, incorrect
Destronin@reddit
We gonna be seeing more laws against ebikes in the coming year or so. I just can feel. I live in NYC and theyve been a bit of an issue due to their speeds and riders taking the bike lanes. No license plates etc.
But now, and im surprised it has taken this long, im finally seeing the suburb kids using them. Like a lot of them now. And not for novelty. But for their main bike replacement.
Verneff@reddit
What signal? She had a green light transitioning to red, and then the lane next to her went to green. The bike wouldn't have had a signal to cross the green light. They were just trying to run a gap in the traffic rather than waiting the extra 30 seconds for the lights to cycle.
Hungry-Breakfast-304@reddit
It's more about how this happens with walking and normal bikes more often.
OppositeResident1104@reddit
Darwin nominations.
-mudflaps-@reddit
A fair punishment would be to just take their battery.
unseenmover@reddit
against a grn in the sidewalk..on an illegal emoto/scooter..
Its obvious the kid doesnt know what their doing but its really the parents responsibility...
Hungry-Breakfast-304@reddit
I hate when people do that. Especially people not on bikes. Appear out of no where than slowly keep walking.
Verneff@reddit
Especially when they're ignoring light controlled traffic and crossing because they can't be bothered to wait 30 seconds for the light to change.
rudmad@reddit
Could have been waiting longer than that. No justifying it but why work in ped crossing timers when you can just push as many cars as possible
Verneff@reddit
Because pedestrians can cross while the through lane is active in the direction they're crossing.
rudmad@reddit
I've seen plenty of intersections that will never show the walk signal unless the beg button is pressed. Gotta prioritize those right turners too..
Verneff@reddit
Because if there's no pedestrians they can have a shorter light cycle. For a lot of intersections this means they can let through all the waiting cars faster.
rudmad@reddit
Yeah I know, I think its bullshit. More people might be willing to walk or bike if the intersections weren't designed like racetracks
Masgarr757@reddit
This is simply a person on a bike with poor traffic/safety awareness. The problem that occurs in the video is not inherent to e-bikes or exclusive to them. They aren’t even traveling over 5mph on their bike in the video lol
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
As a class 2/3 eMTB rider, I had not one instance but 2 of these little shitstains pull this the other day by my summer research dorm and am so fucking sick of it.
Electric dirt bike. Pedal-less. Alone. No parent in sight. In the middle of the fucking road, going 25mph. Would not move and proceeds to run the stop sign. I waited until I got a big gravel pit off road that would go around the road and ripped it past him in my jeep and he puts his arm up in the rear view mirror like I was in the wrong.
A fucking second one was the same day, but two of them. Another pedal less electric dirt bike and one of those 28-35 mph off road e scooters. Middle of the road blocking a stop sign. I went to just go around them when they wouldn’t move after 10 seconds and he started riding into me.
I’m so sick of this shit. I love mine for trail riding and getting around campus, and if this wasn’t an issue I’d love riding around my city streets for fun. But like everything good some losers have to ruin it, but at this point whatever happens will happen regarding electric motor rules.
Cargobiker530@reddit
Because you were in the wrong dumbass. Cyclists are allowed to take the lane and if they're in your way tough shit. Just like every other vehicle on the road. There's other cars, farm vehicles, horses, road crews, & tree crews who can be in the lane or fully stopped & ADULTS understand that sometimes we don't get to drive at whatever speed we think we should be going because of road conditions.
Way past time we should ban jeeps.
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
That’s an illegal ebike nard. Not a cyclist. No pedals. Full throttle 25mph electric dirtbike. Straddling the solid yellow line of our lane and the lane with opposite traveling traffic.
Not a cyclist, just an unsupervised kid on an illegal electric vehicle. Shouldn’t be on the road at all, but especially without supervision.
CalRR@reddit
Orange County, the land of 50mph roads next to kids on bikes. Great planning!
Dr__Pangloss@reddit
let's compare "user posted photographs depict cars on roads, parking-related paraphernalia, or were images taken from the POV of a car"
a quick scroll of san francisco's reddit best: 3/16
a quick scroll of Irvine's reddit best: 10/13
rudmad@reddit
Gotta push more cars through!! Drivers dont have enough convenience as is /s
ElectroNight@reddit
Natural selection found a new friend with emoto
Particular-Crow-1799@reddit
Today I Learned that in Savageland you are not obligated to stop at a yellow light even if you can do so safely
Verneff@reddit
You're technically supposed to, but nobody does and the cops don't give a shit unless they're really hard pressed to get tickets.
rudmad@reddit
Cops enforcing traffic violations? Lol
Verneff@reddit
They'll do it if they need to get some ticket quota.
relativecray@reddit
This sub is starting to sound like a psy ops. I mean yeah it was bad behavior from the bike point of view but it could have been a regular bike or just a skateboard maybe? doing the same stupid thing.
But I think ebikes are mostly a danger for other bikes and pedestrian and car people should just stop whining but I can understand that someone from the united states of lawsuits would be angry to hit a kid at a yellow light. But again im from a canadian point of view where the states pay for road injuries with a no fault law in place.
Signed: a secret agent frome the r/fuckcars subreddit
Hungry-Breakfast-304@reddit
I find this happens to me more from people walking. We should just get rid of walking.
rudmad@reddit
We are trying
BigEmu__@reddit
Half of the people in this discussion sound like trumpers. Not what I expected from this forum haha
Powerful-Race-8538@reddit
What in the world is your correlate factor between the people in this sub reddit having a discussion about this video of a girl riding an ebike and the current president and or his supporters/political party?
Fit_Touch_4803@reddit
they're both wrong,
the driver running a yellow light.
bike rider not aware of the situation
Worth-Reputation3450@reddit
Running a yellow light is NOT illegal.
But it's illegal to ride bike on a crosswalk and also illegal to cross the crosswalk when it's red. It's not even about the situational awareness.
Jalharad@reddit
All of these are different based on jurisdiction. Laws for children are different than adults. I would not expect a 12 year old to ride their bicycle in the road, especially on streets going 45mph.
BlueMageNeedsFood@reddit
Yes it is
dizzymiggy@reddit
This road design is horrible and designed with zero regard for vulnerable road user safety. This is why we need dedicated cycle and pedestrian infrastructure.
Verneff@reddit
How so? There's a cross walk, cross walk lights, and requestors. I mean, you have to cross a road with paint as protection, but aside from making a tunnel or overpass, how else are you expecting people to cross?
dizzymiggy@reddit
Remove the second left turn lane, add a pedestrian island. Daylight the crosswalk by stopping traffic further away from the crosswalk. Reduce speed limits.
Ideally you never have pedestrians cross more than two lanes at a time because about like this happens when some stupid kid is playing around.
qdefrank@reddit
Problem is we have 12-15 year olds riding around on ebikes that go 20+ mph and they have never had any proper training/drivers ed
Jalharad@reddit
you are right, they need to get those numbers up. I was 15 when I got my ticket for doing 65 in a 35 on my bicycle at the bottom of a giant hill. Only time in my life I ever argued to GET the ticket.
porkerparadise99@reddit
The fuck are you bitching about maybe he overshot and when out when he should have but don't they say pedestrians have the right of way no matter what You almost hit em? Well guess what it's good none of u got hurt our infrastructure is horrible and it would have hurt him a lot more than you so
Mr_CosmicOrder@reddit
Why was the driver not already slowing down and stopping there was a yellow light?
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
They legally could have made the light. They stopped and the light was still yellow an extra, what 3 seconds? Why was the e-biker, not obeying traffic laws?
slacknsurf420@reddit
they legally would be arrested
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Why? They have the right of way and 3 seconds left of a yellow arrow
LucidFir@reddit
People have an extremely hard time understanding that laws change by location.
Disclaimer: i don't fucking know the specifics of traffic regulation at this light
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Umm if the arrow is green that means you can turn and have the right of way, if it is yellow, you still have the right of way, but be prepared for it to turn to red, like any other traffic light. The e-biker was going against a red light bc the driver had the right of way. So it was like a car randomly running a red light when you still had the right of way to turn at a designated light.
Jalharad@reddit
sure, but you can also see the biker start crossing well before the driver gets to the intersection. Driver should have been slowing for the yellow, not attempting to continue through.
thereturn932@reddit
It depends. In many countries, if the light turns yellow and you can stop safely, you must stop. If you keep going even though you could have stopped without any issue, you can actually get fined for it.
Verneff@reddit
The most I could see from running a yellow is getting a ticket, not arrested.
The_walking_man_@reddit
You’re someone who flies through stop signs on your “e-bike” and expects traffic to stop for you.
iH8MotherTeresa@reddit
Just say you don't understand traffic laws.
malapropter@reddit
This is an idiotic response. There is no universe in which the cyclist would have had the right of way or permission to ride in this scenario.
Even if the car had to stop for the yellow, it's because the main traffic perpendicular to the cyclist's direction of travel was about to proceed. And for that kid to be in the position where they were, they would have had to proceed when they had only reds facing them.
BIZUx@reddit
Take the cyclist out of the equation. The yellow light was visible for about 3 seconds. Why weren't they slowing down?
Verneff@reddit
Because they can safely make the turn, and cops don't bother ticketing people for running a yellow light. The light timing is even set up assuming people are going to cross on yellow and gives time to clear the intersection.
SapphosLemonBarEnvoy@reddit
The crosswalk was never going to tell them to proceed prior, during, or after this because it was greening the opposing turn lanes prior to green for the through lanes, everyone is is ignoring that here.
kingdarkside1986@reddit
romz81481@reddit
If your driving in a city and not expecting a pedestrian to walk out in front of you even not at a crosswalk you have no buisness driving in a city. What exactly makes this an ebike issue is there a stink everytime someone just walks out? He could have easily done the same exact thing with feet
Worth-Reputation3450@reddit
eBike riding double illegal (riding eBike on crosswalk, riding when it's red), but to romz81481, it's somehow a driver's fault.
romz81481@reddit
Lol I did not blame thw driver just not gonna prop him up as a hero for doing what he was supposed to do. And again crossing on red happens all the time on foot so how is this the bikes fault. You can always tell the piss poor parents cause they wanna blame the object.
Legitimate-Lab9077@reddit
Crosswalks are shared responsibility areas. The bicycle is in the wrong Hare, but the driver is also not in the right.
Personal_Elevator690@reddit
Not a bike it's a motorized vehicle
BlueMageNeedsFood@reddit
In most states they are still considered a pedestrian
BlueMageNeedsFood@reddit
Problem is that people still seem to think that a yellow light means “go ahead” Yeah the bike shouldn’t have gone yet, but you had a yellow light, which means prepare to stop, not blast through the intersection and blame the pedestrians for your shitty driving.
In my state, idk about yours, bikes and pedestrians have the right of way. Why weren’t you paying enough attention to the road to see yellow light + pedestrian=don’t fucking blow through the intersection.
I forgot that whoever put a steering wheel in front of you also died and made you god. Fuck you and fuck your car.
tenlin1@reddit
A driver makes a mistake and their car gets damaged. A biker makes a mistake and they die. I don't think thats fair, personally and yes, this child should be better educated on the dangers of this road, but my god I don't know how I feel about shaming a child making a mistake.
Worth-Reputation3450@reddit
So, you'd think a moment of shame is better than being a roadkill. But maybe not. That wasn't a "mistake". That was a deliberate ignorance for their own convenience.
Hortos@reddit
I’d rather they be on a bike than be this dumb in a car.
Worth-Reputation3450@reddit
So, you'd rather be a mean crayon.
dstlouis558@reddit
As a dad and an ebiker this really gets u der my skin i would take his bike and male him wrote 2000 i will not ride my ebike into traffic because i could get squished by a car and that would suck and also i am very stupid kid
cwatson214@reddit
https://i.redd.it/2ikaq5bezt4h1.gif
Revelati123@reddit
This should be in r/everyonesucksatthiscrowwalk
WTF does this even have to do with Ebikes?
Verneff@reddit
The kid riding the birtbike style ebike across active traffic.
Powerful-Race-8538@reddit
Thats not a 'birtbike'
Thats a MacBook X1S
It has a it has a very mild 500w motor and can only get up to 20mph which is a very standard pedaling speed for any adult who has a nornal functioning body
Verneff@reddit
I didn't say dirtbike, I said birtbike style. It has the stupid fixed seat design that prevents you from being able to pedal properly. I just looked it up and they describe the seat as ergonomic meaning that either they're absolutely lying or they know that most people aren't going to be pedalling much if at all.
Powerful-Race-8538@reddit
Nothing about this is in the style of an dirt bike
The girl has more than sufficient leg room do not only pedal but her legs are able to move within the proper extention and contract you would want on any pedal bicycle
Here is another comment I made thats demonstrating not only is she pedaling through the first half of the intersection but also her legs have proper room to use the pedal
The Macfox is a commuter bike meaning its not even meant for off road use
I have a an E motox it has a 10,000 watt motor full suspension, fixed pegs and can go over 65 mph in about 3 seconds it can drive through any terrain with ease and handle siginificant air time
I cant drive in through a crosswalk because im in traffic with the cars and wear a full Sedici helmet and O'Neal Kevlar gloves and other protective gear
These two bikes are not anything alike
Verneff@reddit
Again, dirtbike *STYLE* It's designed to look more like a dirtbike than like a manual bike, I'm not saying it's an electric dirtbike. An aesthetic choice which makes your angle horrible for properly pedaling. I know you can still pedal, but you aren't able to pedal properly meaning it will tire you out far more quickly. She is pedaling when she is first on the crosswalk, she pedals once and then her legs stop and she zooms off after the car comes to a stop.
Powerful-Race-8538@reddit
Its plainly factually incorrect of you to say this is even stylistically similar to a motocross bike
Its kind of similair to a moped or scooter
A standard mountain bike is vastly more similar in style and function than this very low powered ebike
Revelati123@reddit
So if she had been on a regular bike the car would of magically bounced off her while jay walking?
In what way is the bikes motor relevant to the story?
Verneff@reddit
Because how often do you see someone riding a regular style ebike and doing dumbass stuff like this compared to how often you see some dirtbike wannabe being used to do dumbass stuff like this?
TFORCEtaco@reddit
I was going 40 down a 35. 2 kids on escooters come flying across the opposing 2 lanes of traffic behind a stopped car no where near a crosswalk and start barreling towards my lane. I ended up having to slam on my brakes and slow to a crawl. Meanwhile the two kids didnt even pay attention to my side of the road and ended up panick stopping on the 2 foot wide median because they saw me crawl by. They had absolutely no idea the stakes of what just happened. No helmet or gear or anything.
Jbarn2012@reddit
This is why our top 1% richest people should be MADE to re invest their money into the countries infrastructure
Personal_Elevator690@reddit
On an unregistered vehicle
atlasraven@reddit
Driver issue. Seems like they were upset that they were forced to stop at a crosswalk and the light turned from yellow to red.
The secondary issue is if cars have to yield to ebikes crossing on crosswalks. They already have to stop for pedestrians and I don't see any issue for a bike riding across at pedestrian speeds.
Troglodytes_Cousin@reddit
Might be different rules in US.
But here :
a) Cyclist has no businness being on crosswalk (obviously unless that is a bikepath.) They belong on the road.
b) If cyclist has to go through pedestrian crossing - they need to dismount and walk = become pedestrian.
c) if the light for the driver was yellow - then that means the light for pedestrians was red. You obviously dont go on red. Obviosly driving through yellow is bad. But 100x less bad than going on red.
atlasraven@reddit
US laws favor pedestrians but US car drivers don't always follow the laws. It leads to a lot of confusion in these situations: what is legal and what people actually do.
Verneff@reddit
They're riding their bike, not walking. They need to follow the same rules as other vehicles on the road.
grilledchzisbestchz@reddit
There is no pedestrian in this particular situation.
Totallymainprofile@reddit
Cyclist on the road are supposed to follow traffic laws. Including obeying red lights.
malapropter@reddit
There's no confusion here, though. This is not some grey area case.
BoringBob84@reddit
Your first two points vary by location in the USA. Where I live, bicyclists can legally ride on crosswalks and sidewalks.
Totallymainprofile@reddit
Yea crossing an intersection on a do not walk AND a red light? No defense for the ebike they were not paying attention.
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Mmm no. Reread what I wrote. Busy intersections with traffic signals mean that everyone OBEYS the traffic signals. Driver was driving. E-biker was in cloud nine not paying attention to the fact they had a no walk signal and a red light they were supposed to obey.
atlasraven@reddit
Pedestrians don't have to pay attention while crossing crosswalks. It's a traffic infraction for pedestrians to cross at the wrong time but cars are expected to yield at crosswalks. Doesn't really matter if it's an old lady, a guy on a skateboard, or a bike crossing. The alternative is murder.
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Pedestrians DO have to pay attention at a crosswalk with traffic signals. The traffic signal is what guides traffic, not a dingleberry that thinks the world yields to them in a busy intersection 🤦🏻♀️
slacknsurf420@reddit
good luck you are clueless
Wu-TangProfessor@reddit
Isn't that a red light? That car driver might have a problem too.
Verneff@reddit
It would have been yellow when they entered the intersection had they not had to stop for the bike.
slacknsurf420@reddit
The light turned yellow driver should have been coming to a stop not speeding up - cyclist shouldn't have been crossing early either
Verneff@reddit
That's not crossing early, that's just crossing active traffic. They went from cross traffic on a turn lane to cross traffic on a through lane, they would never have had a signal to cross. They just couldn't be bothered to wait until the lights switched and they got the cross signal.
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Random question, if you see a light turn yellow, and know you have enough time, without having to speed up to make it through the light, do you automatically default to stopping? It didn’t look like they were speeding up, bc if they were, I do not think the outcome would have been the same with them being able to react and stop the way they did.
Jmauld@reddit
driver had plenty of time to stop for the yellow and is obligated to do just that.
Temporary-Film-7374@reddit
can you point to a law requiring him to stop for a yellow that he has time to make?
BoringBob84@reddit
It is not enough to "have time." You have to be able to do it safely.
Where I live, if a motorist hits a bicyclist or a pedestrian, the motorist is legally at fault, even if the bicyclist or pedestrian was breaking the law. The only exception is if the motorist could not reasonably have avoided the collision. That is clearly not the case here. That motorist was racing through the light.
Jmauld@reddit
The laws vary by state. Google it yourself
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Just as the e-biker is obliged to not be in a crosswalk that is red
Jmauld@reddit
If you had taken that kids life you would’ve been guilty.
slacknsurf420@reddit
yes you always stop at yellow it is the law
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
I wonder how many accidents you have been in or caused
nvrthinkofclvrname@reddit
In an accident because theyre driving with care? I think you should stay off the road
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Who is driving with care? Stopping the second a light turns yellow is asking for someone to rear end you
Joose__bocks@reddit
You've crossed the line from defending someone legally proceeding through a yellow into territory where you insist it's unsafe to stop at a yellow light. You went a little too far.
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Mmm no I did not. Yellow lights are 3-6 seconds long (look it up https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2003r1/part4/part4d.htm ). If you stop the second the light turns yellow, THAT in itself is unsafe for the person driving behind you and possibly other drivers. I never insisted that it is unsafe to stop at any yellow light, I said it is unsafe to stop the second it turns yellow.
BoringBob84@reddit
You seem to be making the argument that it is unsafe to drive with an abundance of caution. If the driver behind the motorist who stops for a yellow light is driving at a high speed and following closely, then they are driving in an unsafe manner.
Joose__bocks@reddit
I'm on your side for the most part, but I wouldn't double down on this. You're showing a lot of arrogance now.
nvrthinkofclvrname@reddit
No, the yellow/amber light is to tell u to get ready to stop, well it is in any civilised part of the world. An amber here in the uk means stop, unless youre already through the junction/crossing
slacknsurf420@reddit
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
That’s quite a bit
iH8MotherTeresa@reddit
Read the drivers manual because you're talking out your ass. Red means stop. How hard is that?
GoodMerlinpeen@reddit
No, and it is not a violation if you don't, only if you go through on red. Here, for example, the driver had to make an evasive move while doing an emergency stop, which would have been unsafe had someone been in that lane next to them. So, it wasn't safe to stop at the yellow. Regardless of that, it is not a violation to go through on yellow anyway.
https://law.justia.com/codes/california/code-veh/division-11/chapter-2/article-3/section-21453/
BoringBob84@reddit
You seem to have forgotten about making sure that the intersection is clear. That requires the motorist to slow down. Even if it is a one-way road, I check in both directions. I don't just assume that everyone else isn't doing something stupid.
SK_Ren@reddit
The only time it is acceptable to accelerate on yellow is if you could not safely stop before the crosswalk. Driver had ages to slow down, they were so far away it hurts. But to your example "I can make it" is a significant portion of all accidents in intersections.
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
When others are not obeying the traffic laws, yep. E-biker shouldn’t have been ANYWHERE in that crosswalk. That kid shouldn’t have been a factor whatsoever in determining if the driver decided to continue and turn or not.
TradeSekrat@reddit
Yeah I don't think people really grasp what happened. Lets say the car was going North and turning East. The next green light wasn't for East/West traffic, it was for North/South. The cyclist was clearly distracted from I assume talking to her friend on the bike waiting to go North....
Then she tried to "jump the" light going east or just didn't know the timing. As in does it go turn and then straight traffic or turn and then cross traffic. Given she never even looked left I'm going to assume she thought she was getting a green and not cross traffic. She's totally wrong in both the crosswalk light, the traffic light and most of all the flow of traffic.
Being she's doing one of the highest risk intersection moves you can do on a bike. As you risk getting hit by an early green by the close cars going north or a right turn going west. Risk a hit by a east turn (as in the video) on yellow or red light run. Risking pretty much death if a car "hits the green" at full speed going south AND risking east to west traffic looking to jump a south right turn on red.
Even as a very aggressive rider with decades on the same streets in my home town I don't jump lights.
Temporary-Film-7374@reddit
the car that was a lane to the side was facing a solid red light at the very beginning of the video, while the car with the camera had a green arrow
Hungry-Breakfast-304@reddit
Yo insane to write this much when people walking do this more often.
OppositeResident1104@reddit
Kid is a fucking dumbass, but if they actually taught some life skills in school. I.e. a vehicle weighs x and traveling at x speed how much mass is hitting you.
V3semir@reddit
Parents or guardians are responsible for teaching life skills. Schools are responsible for guiding students toward academic knowledge.
xpsycotikx@reddit
You mean indoctrination lol
OppositeResident1104@reddit
Really, because when I was in high school 21 years ago, we still had classes that would teach kids how to sew. How the country works, and the different levels of government.
Birds of a feather flock.
V3semir@reddit
It's not 21-years-ago now. I guess school taught you to sew but never told you what a responsible adult is.
Buddy407@reddit
That does it! All e-bikes must be banned and confiscated!
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Honestly, with how kids use and abuse them, drive recklessly, and parents that think everything is sunshine and rainbows until their kid kills someone or they get run over (god forbid), they should be banned for certain age groups. But, regulating that will be the same as it is now and would do nothing. Kids need to go back to the roots, and actually pedal from point a to point b. They will be more appreciative and sure as hell pay a lot more attention to their surroundings
FreedomX01@reddit
The problem is that you are speeding when you should be slowing down when you are approaching an intersection and the ebiker didn't do anything wrong!!
BigEmu__@reddit
Ebike fatalities are increasing every year. The US isn't helping this statistic in some states by allowing 750W motors and some ebikes that don't even have pedals, like surrons.
sentinel_of_ether@reddit
Just the heavy ones honestly
smb3something@reddit
Yeah, my 7yo has better situational awareness than this with their bike on the road.
Embarrassed_Boat3799@reddit
Correction - that teenager is gonna have a problem when they get broadsided by a car….
The_walking_man_@reddit
And hopefully the driver has a dash cam like OP.
Otherwise you bet those parents are gonna come screaming saying their little kid would never do anything like that.
Odd-Lime-2738@reddit
ESH.
Also, c’mon try harder next time, people need new organs!
Eryomama@reddit
Someone come get their parent they think cars own the road
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
Correction, someone get the kids parents. E-bikes don’t own the road and have to obey the same traffic laws as cars, so if parents don’t educate their kids on traffic laws, as unfortunate events have been happening, they are just as liable if a kid is at fault for being careless
ProfessionalBee8281@reddit (OP)
They legally could have made the light. They stopped and the light was still yellow an extra, what 3 seconds? Why was the e-biker, not obeying traffic laws?