the X3D prices look a little skewed
Posted by biker_jay@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 54 comments
I've heard good things about the 5800X3D CPU but are they better than the newer 9800s? The reason I ask is I was thinking of upgrading from my current 5800X and was looking at prices and the 5800X3D is more expensive than the 9800. Is this correct and if so, can anyone justify it? Is that chip really that much better than one 3 generation and 1 platform newer?
Ythem@reddit
Well it's a different platform. Chip vs chip price isn't so relevant, it's the cost of swapping to am5 that is, motherboard and ram upgrade included.
biker_jay@reddit (OP)
Yeah I understand that. I havent done the research yet. But I guess it would be cheaper to pay out more for a chip than mobo and Ram. Especially the ram. That makes sense. Is the 5000 series the last of the AM4 platform?
Ecstatic_Job_3467@reddit
Yes, 5000 was the end of AM4. The re-release of the 5800x3d is give people an upgrade option for AM4 that aren’t really to purchase a ram and MB upgrade.
unitedguy20@reddit
I’m staying AM4 until I can’t. I got a 5500x3d off AliExpress and it’s been great.
Tbirkovic@reddit
While I agree, would switching to AM5 not allow for OP to upgrade to the next gen AMD using his/her new mobo?
I get that it is cheaper now, but maybe this could added values too - depending how often OP likes to upgrade.
symca09@reddit
It could but maybe op will be happy enough with the 5800x3d and just skips am5 all together and gets am6 when that launches.
kemicalkontact@reddit
Prices are inflated for the 5800x3d because they're no longer being made and it's the best AM4 gaming CPU but at the same time committing to AM5 means spending on inflated DDR5 ram.
dedsmiley@reddit
The 5800X3D is being made again.
Scheduled to be available on June 25.
kemicalkontact@reddit
349 USD is a disgusting price
dedsmiley@reddit
The cost of going to DDR5 is even more disgusting. Pick your poison.
AntiSimpBoi69@reddit
Might aswell take the leap and switch to am5 so you dont have to deal with that anymore
MyUshanka@reddit
Then don't pay it.
kemicalkontact@reddit
I already got one when it was around ATL
tronatula3@reddit
It's not worth by the expensive CPUs. At Ultra 1440p+ the CPU does not matter much
MarxistMan13@reddit
This type of generalization isn't helpful. There are still plenty of games where the CPU matters a great deal at 1440p.
Not everyone plays exclusively AAA games. In fact most people, according to steam charts, aren't playing AAA games a majority of the time.
SirMaster@reddit
At 1440p in BF6 my 5900x is bottlenecking my RTX 3080 especially in Redsec.
According_Spare7788@reddit
People who say this probably don't have real experience running high end GPUs or read overlays. At 1440p Ultra WITH DLSS Quality, the CPU definitely matters. It still depends on the individual game, but in this scenario with a 5070 ti/5080 the 9800x3d will most definitely pull ahead of the 5800x3d.
RBisoldandtired@reddit
Yep my 5600 and 6750xt combined with 32gb 3200 ram does plenty fine for 1440p gaming.
A cpu that I bought for £60 a couple of years ago.
kawaii_Summoner@reddit
Unless you play CS2 or Valo and want high 1% lows
Wander715@reddit
It's a ripoff for what AMD is pricing it at. They are trying to fleece customers that desperately want an upgrade but can't afford to jump to AM5 at the moment with how expensive DDR5 is.
Dependent-Maize4430@reddit
Not really when you consider that the 5700x3D has been selling for about $350 and the 5800x3D has been over $400 used
HotwheelsMiata@reddit
That was only because they stopped making them so supply dried up. MSRP stayed the same, retailers just started charging more and more.
If the original company starts supplying again the only reason to raise the MSRP to match the inflated price is greed.
MarxistMan13@reddit
The MSRP was $450. How is $350 "raising the MSRP"?
They also aren't matching the inflated prices. The 5800X3D was selling for >$400 used, sometimes as much as $500. You may not like this price, and that's fine, but the market says it's a fair price.
Dependent-Maize4430@reddit
No, it was because even at $400+, it is still cheaper than getting onto AM5 due to the current state of the RAM market.
All new hardware goes up in price once it’s discontinued, thats not greed, that’s how supply and demand work. If you’re buying a piece of hardware new, 2 years after its been discontinued, you’ve essentially bought a collectors item that will lost 90% of its value the moment you open the box.
MarxistMan13@reddit
The 5800X3D was going for >$400 used before this announcement. Clearly many people don't think it's a ripoff, as they were willing to pay more than AMD is asking.
Expensive RAM makes people do stupid things.
No-Actuator-6245@reddit
It’s $100 less than the original MSRP and that’s not factoring in inflation which from what I found online is running at >13% for US across the last 4 years. I doubt it was cheap to spin up an end of life production line.
Mightyena319@reddit
I mean I guess, but it's also no longer the fastest gaming cpu in the world like it was when it initially launched 4 years ago
SirMaster@reddit
So then you are saying the price should be determined by things like “it’s the fastest” and not just based on how much it costs them to produce it.
So the 5800X3D is the fastest gaming CPU for the AM4 platform and is priced based on that.
And yes it’s $100 less than it was when it came out despite the rising costs of chip production.
webjunk1e@reddit
Because the latest 9800X3D is at that price point now. Yes, thank you AMD for not charging the same price as a current gen chip for one that that's over 4 years old now. True chads there. You can get the same performance from a 7500F for $100, but you'd had to go AM5 for that. It's not remotely worth $350. They're gouging users for the ability to stay on AM4. Plain and simple.
Agent_Nate_009@reddit
Not really. $350 is a chunk of change, but if you are still looking n 2000 or 3000 series chip, it is a significant upgrade for AM4. If you are already on a 5000 series, buy it in f you plan on using that platform for 3 plus more years. DDR5 RAM prices make the 5800X3D seem like a bargain to get several more years out of an already capable platform.
cakes42@reddit
My 3900x still beats out 5800x3d in multi threaded work. Blender/ cfd. Would love to have something better for gaming. But I don't game as much anymore. I'll likely wait until am6 to change anything
Agent_Nate_009@reddit
Of course a 3900X will heat a 5800X3D in multi-threaded workloads, more cores and threads, double to he exact. The 5800X3D is primarily a gaming chip, not a multi-thread monster.
Wooshio@reddit
No, they are slower in every way. It's just that there is a really big demand for 5800X3D since a lot of people are on AM4 and would rather not spend the money to go AM5 + DDR5.
quakefist@reddit
Doesnt seem too much more though? 5800x3d will be 350$. Bundle for AM5 is 600-700$. Its almost double, but some future proofing and AM5 extended til 2029.
RBisoldandtired@reddit
Some countries don’t even have bundles available. Some people can’t afford 600-700 but can 350 and it extends the usefulness of their am4 parts.
350 is still a pisstake but that’s pc hardware these days.
yungplague40blunts@reddit
How in the fuck is the 5800x3d 350 but the 7800 is 300, amd is taking the piss
MarxistMan13@reddit
The 5800X3D is the best chip on AM4.
The 7800X3D is not the best chip on AM5.
Simple. People don't want to pay $400 for RAM, so they upgrade in-socket on AM4. That makes the 5800X3D high demand.
People on AM5 have a better choice in the 9800X3D or 9850X3D.
aminy23@reddit
It's a mix of the obsession over upgrade potential and AMD just basically self-scalped. The 5800X3D was going for well over $300 used, so AMD just got back in the game and was like screw it, we'll remake it for $350 as a more profitable alternative to a 7800X3D.
Same happens with other SKUs all the time. I sold my 5900X for $200 and bought a 250KF for $230. Net $30 CPU upgrade. Whole rebuild cost me under $100 net cost and I got features like 10GBE, dual TB4, WiFi 7, and more.
katzengoldgott@reddit
Yeah here in Germany those AM5 ‘bundles’ cost 1000 € roughly.
That’s almost double my monthly rent and I’m not that well off.
MarxistMan13@reddit
If you have a Microcenter, sure.
If you don't, a 9800X3D upgrade is ~$900-1000. 3x as much.
WinterKujira@reddit
me when im murican and think every country has microcenter:
Framed-Photo@reddit
Not that much more? My brother in Christ, that's double lol.
gemmy99@reddit
That bundle is only for small group of people living near it.
For the rest of the world, sometimes its cheaper and easier to buy that cpu and upgrade old 3600x, without changing anything else, with that cpu and they can game for longer time untill ram/ssd price normalise .
I remember back in the day q6600 and 2600k were holding high prices even when new platforms were out, for the same reason.
Happy_Brilliant7827@reddit
Find a microcenter. You can get board, cou, and ram for $300-$400 all in
Mightyena319@reddit
Unfortunately for most people the transcontinental flight offsets the savings (although given the price of RAM these days there probably isn't that much in it anymore if you get a good deal...)
Internal_Log2582@reddit
And ppl thought AMD was doing this to help the community combat the ridiculous Ram prices…smh
It was just another way they can ram it in your ass for being on AM4 still!!!
Tackysock46@reddit
Demand for 5800x3d is super high because it is the best and last CPU to be made for AM4. I bought mine years ago and sold it for more than I paid for it when the 9800x3d came out
Blassmer@reddit
As someone who bit the bullet and upgraded, here was the dilemma. Either overpay for the 5800x3d locally, or overpay for ram and just get the 9800x3d for the same price of the 5800x3d. I took the latter and the whole upgrade was double the cost, but at least I could sell off my old AM4 setup to cover 30% of the cost. Honestly pissed me off the whole time doing it but I managed to fish for decent deals so that my average cost was lower
PretendingImNotAnApe@reddit
The 9700x being 2 gens newer is slightly better in gaming than the 5800x3d. The miracle is how close the 5800x3d gets to matching the 9700x.
MrWendal@reddit
The price of anything isn't determined by value, but by supply and demand.
Supply is low, demand is high because $385 is still a lot cheaper than going AM5 and needing to buy new RAM.
pythonic_dude@reddit
It's a PR stunt to show how much they support old sockets because youtubers turned that ultra niche advantage into a big deal. That being said, there's still a niche in which even the fleecing price is reasonable: people who are stuck with an older AM4 cpu and let's say 64gib of DDR4 that they absolutely do not want to downgrade the amount of when moving forward (maybe you need it for your productivity stuff you do alongside gaming, maybe it's for DCS, maybe something else, doesn't matter). And if that memory is mid or worse (3200…), people with older intel platforms can also upgrade, because while 14600k and 14700k are great cpus that can be better than 5800x3d, but sorry, when paired with slow ddr4 they get mogged by it.
The catch is that you need to be that, and on top of that you had to skip every opportunity that came before. The initial release, the 5700x3d which could be had for less than $200, and recently also 5500x3d (maybe you really need those extra two cores I guess).
itchygentleman@reddit
just to clarify, in most games a 7600x3d is faster than a 5800x3d. everyone else has explained the price differences.
seraphinth@reddit
The 9800 is better, the only scenario where buying a 5700x3D is cheaper is when you have an aging am4 rig you want to max out, but the am5 tech tree has better upgrade path,
Prize-Basil-8438@reddit
It's probably a bit costly for AMD to restart their old infrastructure for these, but they're doing it because lots of people are still on AM4, and for those people, upgrading to AM5 is way more expensive than what they figure they can sell these for. It is pretty overpriced for the CPU itself, but it's a deal if you compare it to (AM5 mobo + new CPU + RAM). If you have an AM4 system and RAM prices prevent you from upgrading to AM5, it's a pretty good option.