A man has become one of the 450,000 Americans affected by alpha-gal syndrome, a tick-borne meat allergy that triggers painful allergic reactions to animal products. “Look at my face and my neck. I can’t eat meat anymore. I can’t have any animal products. It’s in everything.”
Posted by DrDruxy@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 218 comments
somethingwholesomer@reddit
How is this prepper intel
Blueporch@reddit
People regularly share disease vectors on this sub
driverdan@reddit
Only if it's an increasing or new threat. This isn't either, this is a guy getting a disease that 450k people have.
Blueporch@reddit
The range of the lone star tick will likely expand Northward due to climate change.
driverdan@reddit
This is some guy who got sick. It's not about an increase in ticks or associated diseases.
Blueporch@reddit
But we can have a discussion about that
chi-nyc@reddit
It already has. Confirmed reports as far north as Maine and as far west as Colorado.
Blueporch@reddit
Yes but its prevalence varies by area. This article has a map: https://www.med.unc.edu/medicine/news/chairs-corner/podcast/alpha-gal/
More_Dependent742@reddit
For anyone that's in the early stages of having it, or knows someone who does, some tips and some myths dispelled: It's not just the Lone Star tick; it's seemingly all of them (including European and Australian ticks). Depending on the severity, you can still eat what you want as long as you take an antihistamine after (ceterizine and loratadine 10mg both work for me). The severity is however exacerbated by both hops and cannabis (I'm shocked that the medical world hasn't come across this yet, but as a sufferer of 9 years, just trust me). So if your idea of a good afternoon is a medium-rare steak with a few IPAs and a spliff, you're shit out of luck, and in my experience, antihistamines won't cut it in that case. Onset of symptoms has ranged from +1 hour to +18 hours for me, with about +5-13 being a common window. The more processed the meat, the quicker the onset, and big chunks of fatty meat have a super slow onset. People who chew more thoroughly than me probably won't have the crazy late onset that I have. Lamb is the worst, then beef, then pork. The fattier the cut, the worse it is. Rarer meat is worse, but that also doesn't mean you can "cook out the alpha gal" either. Symptoms get better if you haven't been bitten by a tick in a while. So for me, symptoms are worst in late summer and least bad in late winter. After a few months of not getting bitten, I can survive for example bacon without remembering my antihistamines, but not a steak.
Happy to answer any questions.
Ninja-Panda86@reddit
Wow on the hops part. Do you think that's because hops also excite the histamines in your body?
More_Dependent742@reddit
No idea, but wouldn't that also be triggered by cheese? I am not remotely triggered by cheese, even in vast quantities, so I'm not sure it's that.
I do know that lupulins (hops) and cannabinoids are fairly close in pharmacology, and maybe they're both similar to alpha-gal (?)
Ninja-Panda86@reddit
I'm not sure but it's a fascinating question. I lack the background expertise to even wager a guess
goodiereddits@reddit
How frequently are you being bitten?!
More_Dependent742@reddit
This year hasn't been too bad. Only 3 times in one afternoon (early, too, this was early March - hence no tick repellent). I live in Styria in southern Austria, which is pretty bad for it though. And I have the blood type they go for.
I_am_the_darkness_99@reddit
JFC why don't you wear some fucking bug spray and tuck your pant legs into your socks? Are you just intentionally trying to stay sick????
More_Dependent742@reddit
Yeah, it's really not the simple here, though I'm glad it is wherever you live. Here you can catch them from shortly clipped grass in the middle of a public lawn (like the three this year, in fact, and that was in early March when there should not have been any). They're everywhere. How many depends on many factors.
Also, thanks for double checking you didn't come across like a complete arsehole before hitting post.
kirinlikethebeer@reddit
There’s also been an uptick (pun intended) in recent years because of climate change. Used to be one could avoid them in a city. Now they’re really everywhere.
immrw24@reddit
what blood type is that?
More_Dependent742@reddit
I don't know if it's literally connected to blood type per se, I just mean they always go for me. I'm O+, but it's globally the most common
xXmurderpigeonXx@reddit
Found the Lonestar tick's burner account 👆
WhyDoIEvenBotheridk@reddit
Omg I died laughing at this
xXmurderpigeonXx@reddit
Pause
PhotographForward709@reddit
I know someone with MCAS that has to eat low histamine diet and one of the requirements is extremely fresh meat (histamine builds up over time I guess). Does that impact you?
More_Dependent742@reddit
Nope. Not remotely for me. Amount, species, fattiness.
vermilion-chartreuse@reddit
Beer has histamines so that tracks. I can't drink much when my seasonal allergies flare up.
More_Dependent742@reddit
True, but many things do, and few interact with my alpha-gal syndrome. I'm not sure it's that.
MagnoliaProse@reddit
How are you even tracking symptoms back to what you ate 18 hours ago? I can’t imagine even considering something would be related that delayed.
I’m getting bloodwork done for both Lyme and alpha gal this week because my allergist is suspicious, and I am not pleased.
More_Dependent742@reddit
Actually it's that very delay which makes it so hard to diagnose. It's why normal allergy tests won't do it.
Tell me in gory detail what happens if you eat, say, a bacon sandwich. Alpha-gal syndrome is pretty unmistakable but I don't want to put ideas into your head.
MagnoliaProse@reddit
I didn’t actually think I have it but I’m getting nervous since the allergist is so heavily considering it.
I suddenly became allergic to…everything ten years ago. Allergy tests are usually negative, but the anaphylaxis still happens. I think I know what foods cause most of it (including corn, which is in everything), but I still have random reactions to foods/things I think are safe pretty consistently, which is raising the flag for him. Allergy meds help a lot, but not entirely.
Real-Artichoke5877@reddit
Have you switched to a vegan diet?
(And hope it would eventually fade away with time?)
More_Dependent742@reddit
Nah, just go with antihistamines. I'm trying to cut down meat anyway but for other reasons.
GirlWithWolf@reddit
I hike and camp out and hunt. Bears, Mountain Lions, feral hogs and such don’t scare me. Ticks on the other hand, terrifying.
New_Stats@reddit
Permethrin is a fantastic product
Between that and Off, I've had no ticks and very few mosquitoe bites while camping
(I have mosquitoes' favorite blood type, I'm going to get bit no matter what)
HommeMusical@reddit
This substance was a game changer, but I just looked up current news on it, and I have some bad news for you: ticks are becoming resistant to it.
https://www.harvestheal.com/conditions/permethrin-resistance-in-tick
https://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4843:permethrin-resistance&Itemid=2834
FFS. We can't catch a break.
Admiralfox@reddit
One article is written by AI to promote natural repellents (implying that ticks can evolve to be resistant to permitherin but not natural repellents? what slop) And the other says that the only documented resistance is in the cattle tick Rhipicephalus (Boophilus)
HommeMusical@reddit
Crap, can't believe I fell for that.
In 2025, I read what I thought was a real article about permethrin resistance, and then couldn't find it in a quick search, but posted these.
I'm wondering if I were fooled. FFS.
doomed461@reddit
Permethrin resistance is definitely a thing in other organisms, but I'm admittedly ignorant in how it effects ticks. I'd think it would be harder for them to gain resistance since they aren't really contagious, and permethrin is less of a tick treatment, and is more of a repellent when sprayed on clothes and such. I had scabies that were permethrin resistant, and permethrin just pissed them off. I've been through opioid withdrawal and autoimmune disorders, and if I had the permethrin resistant scabies for any longer I might have made some pretty permanent choices, if you catch my drift. It was the worst thing I've experienced to date. I bathed my entire house in permethrin, and spinosad for treating chicken mites, and used permethrin all over my body and even in my hair and scalp. I finally had to use Spinosad that I had to import from outside the US because the prescription ointment is ridiculously priced. It was what finally worked. It's kinda similar to nicotine overdose for mites, so they kinda freak out when you apply it, and it sucks for a bit, but then they die. I still have a supply of it in my garage for in case I ever encounter the fuckers again.
Admiralfox@reddit
Its okay! Its good news if anything, most articles only discuss very vague possibilities of resistance, and none of them are the ones we as humans are concerned with (except maybe dog ticks, but afaik they don't carry lyme or alpha gal)
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C20&q=permithrin+resistance+ticks&btnG=
Banned4Truth10@reddit
What blood type is that?
getoutofmyvan@reddit
O-…. Universal blood donor
dodekahedron@reddit
I lost a cat to permethrin now I am scared to use it.
It was a direct application loss (ex didn't know); I hear it being dry wont effect them so being on my clothes should be okay? But... scared
TheSensiblePrepper@reddit
I'm sorry to hear about the cat.
Yeah, once it is dry it is fine. When it's wet it can get into their pores and they can't metabolize it. So it basically attacks their Nervous System.
I have two dogs and two cats. The dogs get K9 Advantix II for protection. I watch them like crazy when it's still wet on them. Even the dog shaking and a few drops getting on a cat is enough.
I also treat my clothes with Permethrin and, again, it is perfectly fine after it dries.
dodekahedron@reddit
Thanks!
We are going to the UP to hide from loud noises for the 4th. Ill definitely need some then.
Although....
Seeing as I already have something like alpha gal, I probably would never notice if I got alpha gal.
Also low key wondering if the ticks can cause these other weird rare major systemic issues as well. 🤷♀️
AggressiveWallaby975@reddit
Since ticks have been used as a test vector for disease by the MiC i wouldn't doubt that you may have contracted some other odd disorder that engineered by them. I'm sorry that you've been used as a lab rat.
dodekahedron@reddit
Ah nah. Mines from the military itself. Documented. Started after an injectable on deployment. Small pox & the BC shot. I cant remember if I got anthrax as well. But we were in theater when we got the small pox shot. I ended up with 2 blisters instead of 1. Who knows what was really in those shots though
Which is why I was like "hmm I wonder if that is now in ticks"
Going on year 17
WhatIsHerJob-TABLES@reddit
FYI as someone in the UP often and will be there during the 4th, there’s a good chance it’ll still be loud! Lots of folks up there like their fireworks. Less big city fireworks shows but more individuals shooting them off on their land.
dodekahedron@reddit
Trees absorb sound and its better than being in a city where the fireworks cover up gunshots.
I am also in the up often. I just normally dont do bug spray and regret it quickly.
crowislanddive@reddit
What do you have that is similar to alpha gal? I developed an allergy in my late 40s to shrimp and my allergist is convinced it’s a tick born allergy that hasn’t been identified yet.
dodekahedron@reddit
Well I am still in the DX phase. I finally found an allergist that doesnt shy away from rare DX
As soon as he listened to my story he thinks I have mastocytosis.
I know polyethylene gylcol makes me react really bad. Like my skin fell off and I was hospitalized as a burn patient 17 years ago. Lost my gallbladder to eosinophilic cells, not gallstones.
Im not too sure on what foods trigger me, because I have other stuff going on and ive been told my stomach pain is from a herniated disc. When it might not be.
crowislanddive@reddit
I truly hope your trajectory keeps getting better and better. I am so sorry you have been through so much.
dodekahedron@reddit
Thanks. I am actually nervous because my allergist is an immigrant and is on vacation out of the country for 2 months.
I am unsure if he is Indian or Pakistani. Either way, I have another Indian immigrant doctor and they left for 2 months 6 years ago and got stuck for the longest time and I had to find different care lol. (Covid)
Between the war and the virus they keep trying to make a bigger deal.... nervous hes gonna get stuck.
Or just decide the USA sucks.
Or just get politically stuck
TheSensiblePrepper@reddit
So I do a lot of stuff that Ticks & Mosquitoes can be involved. Here is what I use.
I put Picardin Lotion on any exposed skin. I like the lotion because it just rubs right on and is good for 14 hours.
All clothes get treated with Permethrin Spray ahead of time.
If I am doing something, like Hunting, where I am sitting in the bushes for a while then I will also spray my clothes with Maxi DEET. I try not to get this on my skin because it is basically cancer in a bottle.
I will also take Duct Tape, I like Gorilla Tape personally, and put it around my ankles and just above the knees sticky side out. This grabs the little assholes like a glue trap while they are trying to climb up.
vermilion-chartreuse@reddit
That sucks! Yes it is only when it is wet that is dangerous to cats. That is one reason I fought so hard against my city using spray trucks!
SignificantMeat@reddit
You can send clothes off to get treated by Insect Shield. The liquid permethrin will never be anywhere near your cats, and the treatment will last a lot longer than if you did it yourself.
EscapeCharming2624@reddit
Is the blood type for mosquitos really a thing, or does it just feel that way?
New_Stats@reddit
I have no idea. They just like me better than anyone else around me. Always have. I'll get bit up like crazy and no one else around me will even notice there's mosquitoes out
Piney1741@reddit
I would agree permethrin is great for treating boots or clothing. I prefer picaridin over deet for anything on my skin. It works better and isn’t as harsh. It also doesn’t eat plastics.
capinprice@reddit
Nice to lnow meth also helps in this space
Dasylupe@reddit
Same on the mosquito front. My family leaves the window open because the bloodsuckers don’t come for them. -_-
ripple_in_stillwater@reddit
I always lived in the woods, went hiking, wasn't afraid of ticks... until I got Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever from a tick I picked up walking across the driveway in February. I really don't recommend it to anyone.
Haldron-44@reddit
It's like Pryons. Few things scare the ever living shit out of me than the weird things nature can cook up to make your life a slow dissolve of a living hell. Oh motherfucker you think Bears are bad? Wait until you see the fungus that kills you by making you shit yourself to death, and also can't be sterilized by any means known to man.
HommeMusical@reddit
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Prion diseases are incurable, and basically untreatable, and in things like CJD, your brain literally turns into mush.
Alpha-gal syndrome is annoying, but not of this magnitude.
Lyme disease, another tick-based disease, has even more serious consequences, but can be treated with antibiotics.
I like my brain without billions of little holes in it.
Haldron-44@reddit
🤣🤣🤣Thank you, I feel seen in my terror of practical zombizm.
Ninja-Panda86@reddit
The fungus issue is not likely to jump to use. But prions are, indeed, fucking frightening
Haldron-44@reddit
Maybe humanities saving grace that fungus care less about enslaving all life than just being a fungus.
Prions are terrifying in that they aren't even alive in the strict sense of the word. They are just protein that missfolds other protein and can be buried for years and still be infectious.
bs2k2_point_0@reddit
He isn’t wrong. Wife has the same allergy and did the same research.
Wanna know what makes your sugar white??? Bone char from cows…. Want a stick of gum? Forget about it.
rebb_hosar@reddit
Holy shit, really? And I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff with hidden gelatin or things processed using animal parts sometimes (wine and some spirits) that most wouldn't think of.
Like, does she get contact dermatitis if she uses a cow-leather purse? Do animal products in things like hair gels, face stuff, shampoo do anything?
bs2k2_point_0@reddit
Beauty products definitely bother her as it’s absorbed by the skin. Wearing leather shoes don’t seem to.
She describes her reaction as an extreme itch and painful feeling that feels like bugs crawling around under her skin. It can last for a few days. She does get eczema too at times, and uses a steroid cream when it gets too bad.
I’m honestly grateful though that her reactions aren’t so severe that she has to worry yet about anaphylaxis. I believe some people do have it that bad.
lunaappaloosa@reddit
Yep and the list goes on. Meat is the easiest thing to cut out if you get this shit. Lots of idiots in these comments
https://alphagalinformation.org/mammalian-byproducts/
slagforslugs@reddit
The bugs gon make us vegan
OSHA_Decertified@reddit
A co-worker of mine has convinced himself that the ticks were bred for that exact purpose
fragrant-final-973@reddit
I wonder if you can still eat bugs with this allergy 🤔
breakfast_pancake@reddit
You can. It is specifically red meat that is the problem.
redtailred@reddit
Mammals specifically
fragrant-final-973@reddit
I think the bugs plan to make us vegan has a flaw 😱
Funny_Match7321@reddit
Strange as the WEF was talking about this being one of their wet dreams to cute climate change a couple of years ago....I guess they found a way
Alarming_Seat_1791@reddit
I got bit by one the other day (5/29/26) Long Island, NY. I noticed it after about 45 mins. I pulled it out with a tweezer and crushed it to death instantly. Small red bump still where it bit me, but it hasnt spread yet. Hoping it didn't transmit enough of the molecule to induce the allergy 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Salty-Passenger-4801@reddit
Alpha gal absolutely is NOT in everything.
Chicken, turkey, duck, eggs, fish and seafood to name a few.
negatibe@reddit
though those foods aren't inherently alpha gal unsafe, they are often cooked in sauces or seasonings that are not alpha gal safe. even all vegan product isn't safe. there's a type of seaweed with the same carbohydrate that triggers alpha gal reactions. source: my partner has alpha gal (and two other food allergies) and it's a nightmare. we just don't go out to eat anymore, unless we want dessert at the ER.
Billy_bob_thorton-@reddit
Hold up we aint eating human here bruh
thehourglasses@reddit
Billionaires have left the chat
futilehabit@reddit
The only ethical meat source
Banned4Truth10@reddit
We have monkey
thereluctantpoet@reddit
Speak for yourself buddy, times are tough. So are thighs.
Aikaterina_Blue@reddit
My thighs are not tough, but soft and squishy
redthehaze@reddit
“Thicc thighs save lives” as they say
overkill@reddit
Slow cook 'em.
thereluctantpoet@reddit
I'm gonna need a bigger crockpot.
ChrisLS8@reddit
You dont have a "just in case" list?
Fine_Marsupial_2964@reddit
Not with that attitude…
cyanescens_burn@reddit
But what if my sense of masculinity is wrapped up in how much red meat I eat?
The others will think I went from alpha to gal.
New_Stats@reddit
I'm terrified of it because of my horrible cheese addiction
Also side note - just found this rustic bread with walnuts and blue cheese baked inside it. Absolutely fantastic
Wordy_Film_5776@reddit
Relieved I'm not the only went to cheese addiction. Cheese and milk is where my thoughts went added by "please no..."
SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit
Loss of all pizza and even a plain cheese would be devastating.
Wordy_Film_5776@reddit
100% hear you on that...
Ninja-Panda86@reddit
That sounds outrageous and I need it
More_Dependent742@reddit
I would not assume that alpha-gal syndrome immediately means you cannot have cheese. That would be one hell of an extreme (they exist, but it's not the standard).
I have never, and I mean never ever, had an alpha-gal attack due to dairy. The amount in mammal milk vs mammal blood is absolutely tiny.
Big-Engineering-5323@reddit
You can’t just say those words without a recipe link.
New_Stats@reddit
I don't have a link, I bought it at my local farmers market. The people who made it don't even have a website
SpicyVindalooCurry@reddit
Yes, it’s the dairy that upsets me.
A_Muffled_Kerfluffle@reddit
Pretty sure dairy is my main food group. I’ve had anti inflammatory diets that eliminate dairy recommended to me before for some autoimmune stuff and it’s just laughable as far as I’m concerned. I don’t want life without cheese.
Big_Fortune_4574@reddit
The irony of the name of this disease is hard to ignore
capnscratchmyass@reddit
To be faiiiiiir it is in shit you wouldn’t really expect. Gelatin, which is in a SHITLOAD of things, often has alpha-gal and unless you really know what you’re looking for can cause reactions. Especially when it comes to medication. I have a family member with tick borne alpha gal and she gets reactions from gel caps (so a ton of medications), a lot of candies, broths, and more. As much as people here are saying “Ha ha forced vegan wimp” it can really be far far worse than that. Don’t let this douchey dude make you think it’s just “wah my masculinity” garbage. You do NOT want this disease, vegan or not.
Abzstrak@reddit
Yeah the stupid marketing tying masculinity to eating animals is moronic, these types of people just eat it up.... It's marketing ffs. It's like listening to apple fanboys that must wait in line for days for a new phone or other dumb shit.
Perfect-Gap8377@reddit
It's in most processed foods, as a residue in gelatin, lard and tallow. Gummy bears, snack fillings, pastries (including ice cream glazings), traditional recipes, cold cuts, and any fast food due to cross contamination.
I have the allergy (it has been 10 years already) and I need prepare almost everything edible at home. It would suck way more if I lived in the US, tbh, your fresh food prices are very high and ingredients labeling requirements are rather bland compared to europe.
Jerkrollatex@reddit
Tip look for Kosher dairy. It won't have animal products. Can't mix meat and milk.
notsosilent@reddit
Dairy is an animal product
Jerkrollatex@reddit
No one said it wasn't. They mentioned ice cream as a problem because of gelatin. 🙄
AwakePlatypus@reddit
Why do people that live on the continent of Europe talk about Europe like it is a unified homogenous place?
overkill@reddit
Because by and large things like consumer product labelling is unified across the EU. There is a minimum standard (which is very high) but some countries go beyond that.
My aunt works in food safety law in Canada and was boasting to us (in the UK, pre-Brexit) about how high their food labelling standards are, or she was until we took her shopping...
GableStoner@reddit
I reeeealllly wish the US was like this. It should be the standard here as well, but unfortunately, lobbyists control 99.99% of US policy, and the food industry is huge with deep pockets. Plus the healthcare industry also makes a lot of money from keeping people chronically sick, which is often caused by what we put in our bodies.
It's one of those situations that really makes it obvious how bad things have been here politically, and in terms of corruption for quite some time.
More_Dependent742@reddit
Oddly, we generally don't and it's one of the pet peeves about the yanks is that they do. For some things which are regulated at an EU level, like here with labelling laws, it does actually make sense to.
More_Dependent742@reddit
Hi, fellow sufferer! What is your minimum threshold for symptoms?
New_Stats@reddit
This is actually not true. While the EU can just put "cheddar cheese" on a label of prepaid food that contains cheddar cheese, the US would need to put every ingredient that goes into the cheddar cheese
dodekahedron@reddit
I wonder if the ticks can also trigger mastocytosis or other generic histamine intolerance.
Because then more than red meat can cause the issues.
I think fucking honey dew was one of my first worst foods.
Still eat it though. I happen to like the tingling lips of allergic reactions. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
Lews_There_In@reddit
Human you say? Rimworld players rejoice!
demon_x_slash@reddit
I need me some human hats
Separate_Fold5168@reddit
Ok_Cauliflower5223@reddit
r/addressme
elinamebro@reddit
Wait.. why did you point out human?.. and i think he mean food products that use beef and other mammals for flavoring.
bftrollin402@reddit
Pretty sure he meant animal byproducts are in everything
Ok-Transition7065@reddit
Damm forced veganism
Thas not good bro D:
eity4mademe@reddit
mmm_burrito@reddit
It's in all kinds of processed foods.
StarWars_and_SNL@reddit
But it’s in cheese.
To me and my unrefined palette, that is everything.
New_Stats@reddit
Mmmmm long pig
hotprof@reddit
Is this guy mad at tics? Mad at god? What fuckin...fuck!
Wild_Bunch_Founder@reddit
my mom has this and got stage four terminal cancer around the same time, it is horrific and has absolutely crushed her dietary options. I hope the degenerate scum who made this in a biolab all rot in hell for what they did to people.
fxcker@reddit
This planet will force humanity to go vegan regardless of if we choose to or not!
Jazzspasm@reddit
I got this around 2001 during a trip to Mexico - the science didn’t exist at the time so doctors didn’t know what was going on
one day I was in a fancy restaurant with a stunning actress just before she broke through - we’d been flirting lightly for a while and were having a great time - steak dinner - she suggests we share a taxi, yay!!
As I’m getting in the back of the taxi my guts give up all hope, and I have to dash to the restaurant toilet so fast the taxi door is left open
as i’m sat there almost in tears at how bad it is, it dawns on me - red meat! It’s red meat!
a few days later I tell the doctor and he says allergies to red meat don’t exist, it’s impossible - I never spoke to him or that actress ever again
go back to around 2017, I suddenly get an insane urge to eat Burger King - yeah, gross, I know, plus i haven’t eaten red meat in about fifteen years or so
what the hell, I think - my body is screaming at me about this so I’ll just do it and see what happens - no worries, all good
I ate beef for lunch - it’s all gone and I can now ask that actress out again for a steak dinner
h00zbad@reddit
I live on Long Island, got my first tick of the season, luckily didn't have time to bite. I'm a hairy guy so now I'm paranoid every 2 seconds I feel a hair touch me.
tylergalaxy@reddit
Why is that long Island has so many ticks ?
h00zbad@reddit
For context, Long Island is -one- of the most tick-dense populations in the US.
Also coincidentally, some of the densest people.
Automatic-writer9170@reddit
Tick in general or this specific kind of tick?
h00zbad@reddit
Yup, you name the tick we got the tick. (I can't verify that statement, but we definitely have this tick.)
Livid-Childhood-88@reddit
Keep your pets protected! I was as careful as could be. Clothes and equipment treated, checks and rechecks during and after outings. And a lapse in my cat’s flea and tick prevention is how I got bit.
Unfortunately our vet burnt down, so our monthly prescription didn’t get filled. That was all it took to change my life.
So wear your pants, spray your permethrin, but remember other avenues.
ferngully99@reddit
Permethrin kills cats just fyi
SoftSects@reddit
What's the best course for this? Spray and keep the clothes outside?
vermilion-chartreuse@reddit
It's only toxic to cats when it's wet. So spraying it outdoors works, if you have indoor cats.
SoftSects@reddit
Thank you. I'll take extra precautions with this around my kitty.
substitute_lizard@reddit
I have this - its severity depends on the person. When I had my first reaction it was a full blown rash and explosive diarrhea. Now I can eat pork without issue and take an allergy pill if I eat beef and I’m fine. It can fade with time.
thehourglasses@reddit
What purpose do ticks serve? Hmm, well spreading diseases that cull overproducing populations. Humans and our domesticated animals and livestock account for something like 96% of all mammalian biomass. This is obviously not ecologically sustainable.
MyLittleAnonBurner@reddit
Would you cheer for them against you?
thehourglasses@reddit
All I’m saying is they serve a purpose and humans have tipped the scales too far. Sorry I don’t share the anthropocentric views that most people do.
MyLittleAnonBurner@reddit
And I’m betting you would change your tune if it happened to you
thehourglasses@reddit
No, I wouldn’t. I already don’t consume many animal products because I understand the ecological impact.
Ok-Transition7065@reddit
Sometimes its just am unfortunately accident
But also more cattle live more places too live
Like if i prevent the ppteedatprs to reduce the population of the things i feed myself well congrats i get moore places to move live amd feed
peretheciaportal@reddit
I work in a field where we spend a lot of time outside. I know 3 people with alpha-gal and I'm sure there are more that I just haven't discussed the subject with.
They can have poultry and fish, but no mammal products. Beef broth and gelatin are in so many things though, they often eat vegan products just to be safe.
Bacontoad@reddit
Carrageenan can cause reactions as well.
Effective_Raise_889@reddit
And people think this is a conspiracy theory
Low-Sand-5227@reddit
It eventually goes away
NiPaMo@reddit
Hopefully this will lead to the reduction in animal products being manufactured and consumed. I've been vegan for 7 years so I'm cheering these little guys on.
BingErrDronePilot@reddit
Ticks really out here making soy-boys
fragrant-final-973@reddit
It's literally turning the Alphas into gals! ^^/s
Electrical-Concert17@reddit
They’re good for other animals, they indicate how healthy the ecosystem is in that area, they provide diversity of life due to the microorganisms and bacteria they host as natural vectors for them, and they keep animal populations in check.
Qu3ViveZapat0s@reddit
This is why you don't kill possums. Possums eat ticks.
linniex@reddit
How do you test for this? I asked my doctor about it and he yadda yadda’d over it. Meanwhile I picked about 2 dozen ticks off me after a quick unplanned hike about three years ago, apparently I stood or sat just long enough in one spot to find some sort of nest of them. I woke up in the middle of the night about to scratch my legs bloody it was so bad; I wound up using my dogs flea and tick shampoo to stop the itching. The 15 or so bites I had took weeks to stop itching. The only reason I didnt run right to the doctor is my area doesnt have lyme ticks. Didnt know about Alpha Gal.
Blueporch@reddit
If you’re in the US, you could look at the CDC map showing the range of the lone star tick to see if you were hiking where it’s prevalent.
MagnoliaProse@reddit
My allergist ordered bloodwork. You could try that.
phlred@reddit
Will MAGA identity politics start to change away from red meat as this spreads. There go the tallow fries. On the other hand, with enough hypocrisy, you could promote something you don't even partake of.
Advanced-Depth1816@reddit
Guess he actually needs to eat veggies now maybe it’s for the better
LesbeGoddess@reddit
I picked a lonestar tick off of me 2 years ago from walking up a river trail with my dog and sitting in the grass beside the river. Didn’t see it til I got back to the truck. It didn’t bite me it was crawling on my shirt. I flicked it off.
When I got home washed my dog. He has bitten by a lonestar tick. I pulled it off and killed it.
It wouldn’t have been a big deal for me if it bit me since I am already vegan so my diet wouldn’t have changed but still would prefer not to pick up an autoimmune disease.
Ornery_Cantaloupe_20@reddit
I was in Missouri a couple weeks ago and walked through a breeding ground, my dog and I were covered in them. I mean there were a nightmare amount of them.
FunPsychological6245@reddit
Got about a hundred total on me walking through a state park
Ornery_Cantaloupe_20@reddit
That’s pretty much my story the grass wasn’t even long. Apparently they breed in the 1000’s and I had 6 adults on me and tons of newborn. Wrong place wrong time but I killed every one of them and so far no symptoms so I must have got them all. My poor dog he has the medication that kills them but not till after they bite.
SoftSects@reddit
This happened to me recently. I got bit, and I have the dead tick with me. I'm so scared about any symptoms. I already don't eat meat, I just don't want to get a tick borne disease or Lyme.
RoseyOneOne@reddit
Is it ‘can’t eat red meat anymore’ or ‘can’t eat / use animal products’. Two very different things.
Saltygirlof@reddit
It’s all mammalian products. University of Kentucky has reported that some people are so sensitive that they react to wine because mammalian bone char is used in the filtration process.
kheret@reddit
It’s red meat specifically but I think it might be any protein from those animals, so gelatin which is used in a lot of medications and also for some people dairy.
Dork_wing_Duck@reddit
Ya, I know someone with it that gets a reaction if they take medicine or vitamins that are in gelatin capsule, or if they eat gummy bears.
hsh1976@reddit
Depending on the severity, it can get as bad as no products from any animal that breast feeds it's young.
A guy I know has it and had an allergic reaction eating some canned mackerel that, after talking to his doctor, probably contained some dolphin meat.
Dork_wing_Duck@reddit
Ya, I know someone with it that gets a reaction if they take medicine or vitamins that are in gelatin capsule.
That's crazy about dolphin, never would have crossed my mind that I may have consumed a marine mammal.
Abzstrak@reddit
LMAO
As a vegan I really get a kick out of the conspiracy theories. The fragile masculinity of these people thinking it's their identity somehow is ridiculous too.
Dissasociaties@reddit
It's not identity. It's way of life for many rural people. They rely on meat for survival. Game hunting, milk, eggs ect. Turning grass and bugs into edible protein has gotten humanity to a point where a vegan can ethically choose not to eat meat anymore.
I wonder how many acres of arable land it takes to supply one vegan with their calorie needs for a year?
kezfertotlenito@reddit
Waaaay less than for any diet that includes meat. What do you think cows eat? A majority of the agricultural land in the US is used to grow feed for livestock, not people.
And the answer is 0.13 acres for a vegan diet, according to this paper: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Annual-per-capita-requirements-for-productive-agricultural-land-by-diet-scenario-and_fig2_305627253
AppropriateCattle69@reddit
Starting a sentence with “As a vegan…” and then shitting on someone for their dietary choices being “their identity somehow” is wild.
0xC4FF3@reddit
Vegan is not a dietary choice
Snooperator@reddit
Is it a species?
0xC4FF3@reddit
Ethical
Abzstrak@reddit
Lol, way to read into things not said.
hurfery@reddit
Anytime who uses the phrase fragile masculinity is likely a piece of trash.
themflyingjaffacakes@reddit
It's not ideal that he didn't choose it, but also he's quickly learn that people that do it by choice survive and enjoy their lives!
themflyingjaffacakes@reddit
Accidental vegan.
elinamebro@reddit
Well in some cases it goes away if you dont get bit again and he can get chicken and fish just no mammals
Macwookie@reddit
Sorry for the long post up front. TLDR: I have it, this sucks, don’t get bit.
Anyway the above isn’t quite correct. I have the allergy. I was bitten once by a lone star tick and it was only attached for a few minutes. Thats how quick this can happen. I know because it happened on vacation and we don’t have the lone star where I live.
As for what you can and can’t eat it’s anything with Alpha Gal. Some people also have contact reactions. It’s true that eliminates all mammal products but alpha gal can also be found in soaps, a lot of medications, perfumes… the list is pretty extensive on what products are mammal derived and are not just food.
There’s also hidden ingredients in food. For example a lot of us will avoid anything with the ingredient ‘natural flavors’ because it isn’t defined.
Fume reactions are a real thing too. I’ve reacted to steaks cooking on the grill, corned beef being cooked and the smell of a dead skunk.
Some people are less fortunate than I am and have even further complications like mast cell issues or they go straight into anaphylactic shock.
The prepper community should be aware because it’s spreading and it severely limits what you can have on hand for emergency supplies if you’re affected. It also affects an individual’s vitamin intake and farming abilities.
MagnoliaProse@reddit
How far away from the grill would you have to be to not have a reaction?
DarkAwesomeSauce@reddit
I had no idea about the fume reactions. That’s absolutely bananas.
Happy cake day!!
themflyingjaffacakes@reddit
I see.
RunMysterious6380@reddit
Alpha-gal is only impacted by red meat based products. You're perfectly fine to eat fish and birds. It also goes away on its own after a couple decades, and the impact starts to greatly decrease after about 10 years.
I had it (highly suspected) at age 12 (hundreds of tick bites by that age) and the only animal products that impacted me (and it was severe) were fat based. French dressing was the worst. Taco meat was a fast trigger. Fatty steaks would trigger whole body hives within an hour or two. I wouldn't touch any kind of gravy. I've been fine for a long while though and can eat meat and animal products without any worries.
SignalMountain7353@reddit
https://youtu.be/4eHW8mP9RJo
Baalphire81@reddit
Tea tree oil and peppermint oil will make ticks avoid an area, permethrin will kill them over the course of a few minutes. A recent study found that deer ticks and dog ticks also carry the ability to create alpha galactose syndrome. Also kind of fascinating why we are the only mammals who don’t have this sugar in our body. It seems it was an evolutionary response to an ancient virus. Anyway, to those of us in tick country, we just kind of live with it. Eventually it will clear your system, and most people can go back to eating mammals. Mine weirdly manifests as a pork allergy, I can eat just about anything else. However if I have so much as a biscuit cooked near a pork product my lips start to tingle and I end up having a hard time breathing.
Ok-Row-6088@reddit
I have had this for years before they even knew what it was. It was one of the motivations to go vegan in my teens. Fortunately, the only animal product that affects me anymore is beef. I have a violent reaction to beef. It's also a minor enough case that things like beef broth in food don't usually affect me. It has gotten less severe over the years. Your body changes completely every seven years, all of your cells turn over. In my experience, your allergies change with it. I'm not gonna go eat a burger or a steak, but if I get french fries with beef flavoring on them, it's not going to cause a major reaction anymore. Sublingual immunotherapy drops really helped with this. It's a nuisance, but it's someone who's lived with several food. Allergies, it's manageable.
Burnrate@reddit
Ticks may yet save humanity
Background-King9787@reddit
I’ve had to suddenly give up staple foods due to my kids’ allergies and it is hard for a bit needing to read labels and find new defaults
Blueporch@reddit
And then manufacturers change ingredients so your new default tricks you …
Johnnny-z@reddit
Bio engineered. Mad scientists and their mean women.
SlapNuts007@reddit
Not very alpha to get meat-cucked by a bug, bro.
But while we're on the subject, you should also be worried about lyme disease and Rocky Mountain spotted fever (and its related illnesses). My wife has had RMSF twice and seems to be a tick magnet on hikes.
Two things in addition to what's been mentioned here already: carry a tick key (for easier removal on the trail) and a fine tip skin marker so you can circle any bites you do get. Even if it's not a tick, if it grows outside of the line, you may have a problem. RMSF that goes untreated for too long can do permanent damage, and it's not on the list of things doctors think to check.
Climate change has warmed winters enough that they aren't reliably killing back tick populations. It only gets worse from here.
Single_Staff1831@reddit
He's the alpha now
wishinforfishin@reddit
One thing many people are unaware of: this can impacts what medications you can take, not just what you eat.
Mono local antibodies and many disease modifying drugs for auto-immune conditions are processed through mammalian cells.
I live in fear of ticks because I would have to switch from the medication that has kept me healthy for the past 6 years. There are alternatives but they are not as effective.
loghoser@reddit
I wear pants all time and I live in the fucking desert. No sympathy.
DieselPunkPiranha@reddit
Always tuck my pant legs into my boots when going into the countryside because I lived in the desert. People traipsing through the underbrush in shorts and sneakers are not thinking things through. Doesn't matter if it's a temperate forest or chaparral. There's always something that can fuck you up if you're not careful.
SnowflakeObsidian13@reddit
Tbh, I think if I couldn't eat meat anymore, I might just end it.
Alder_The_Pig@reddit
100000% I would end my life without cheese.
No_Effective4784@reddit
same. im still eating it, if it kills me ill die doing what i love.....
stuffing my face with a gluttonous amount of cheese.
Tall_Lab8438@reddit
I think you pissed off all these vegans, bro. Lmao!
SnowflakeObsidian13@reddit
Ffs, apparently. Can't handle someone not wanting to live without meat. Everyone's calling ME a snowflake (while not knowing about literal stones and minerals) but they can't handle someone's opinion about their OWN life. Jfc.
Sufficient-Skill9530@reddit
I go vegan for 40 days a year for lent. It’s not that bad, just don’t eat the processed plant based foods that they try to make taste like meat and dairy. Those are foul beyond measure.
Also, as sad bonus man stated, username checks out, edgy snowflake princess.
Separate_Fold5168@reddit
The ground Impossible burger patties are actually pretty good and are now cheaper than the actual beef patties.
AxolotlinOz@reddit
Really?!
Sad-Bonus-9327@reddit
Username checks out
FelixMumuHex@reddit
cringe
Sufficient-Skill9530@reddit
More like beta-gal. Guy got viral veganism from a bug.
The joke had to be made. More seriously, that sucks. Ticks are a menace.
Hoooman1-77@reddit
Sounds like a Vegan super hero in the making lol
holybuckets@reddit
Viral veganism is the best thing I've heard all day.
Dissasociaties@reddit
Holy fuck I hope you have a better day
TheIrishWanderer@reddit
Discount David Beckham
Midnight_Rider98@reddit
Wear pants and gaiters treated with permethrin. Ticks tend to hide down low, on grass, a physical barrier remains the best baseline protection, permethrin makes it even better.
IAmTheFly-IAmTheFly@reddit
Um...thanks, Obama?