Jew part surely you wouldn't debate. As for fictional, zero contemporary sources. Sources we have 100+ years later have no sources, like tacitus, Josephus etc whose works were interpolated or the quotes in question faked by the church who had possession of the documents and were translating/"preserving" them
Were the apostles real people? Because “if” they were we have dozens of primary, contemporary sources. There’s Romans who mention him in passing. Kind of hard to believe all those Christians died for nothing, for a lie, if they really didn’t believe it and were making it all up.
You can say you don’t believe Jesus was divine, but to say he didn’t exist is ahistorical.
Lots of people die for lots of things that aren't true. The apostles named as the authors of the Gospels aren't the real authors. The Gospels were authored decades after the death of the supposed person Jesus. Even Bible scholars admit this because the evidence is too strong. So again, no contemporary sources.
You make it sound like it was so long down the road lol. We’re talking like 20 years and that’s what we have surviving. Paul was writing in the 60s AD. Already there are Christian communities all over, half of them non-Jews. It wasn’t just a Jewish cult or conspiracy or something like that.
I actually used to believe it was a Roman conspiracy. When you dig deep you see how absurd that is. The New Testament is the most corroborated work of Antiquity, by such a large motion, throwing out its authenticity would require you throwing out all of the Western Canon. We have 10,000 surviving primary copies from the time immediately following Jesus’ death.
For the Iliad—the 2nd most corroborated? We have 80.
It was absolutely a Jewish cult. Paul (rabbi named saul who changed his name, sound familiar?) took the faith to the gentiles. All the apostles listed are jews.
It's a Jewish conspiracy, it helped them de-paganize the world and get all gentiles to believe in the torah and their god yahweh.
Still waiting on those roman sources before we get to your new claim.
ElectricSnowBunny@reddit
Neckbeard Jesus wants your tots
LoiterAce@reddit
Historians generally agree that Jesus was a real person that existed, its just the miracles that are up to debate.
Garchompisbestboi@reddit
Nobody credible is debating whether a little brown man had magic powers
dude_don-exil-em@reddit
Why do people care so much about the way Jesus looked ?
Shootemout@reddit
they view brown people as inferior so if the savior of their religion was one of them it's a contradicting statement
daymitjim@reddit
https://www.grunge.com/img/gallery/the-horrifying-way-feudal-japan-tried-to-eliminate-christianity/intro-1630072989.jpg
Shootemout@reddit
Asian Jesus
Bottom text
daymitjim@reddit
Jesu Desu
Lantus@reddit
I've never met someone who gave a shit about this image.
Shootemout@reddit
First time I’ve seen it but the argument isn’t new
VoodooLoveDr@reddit
No one cares about this except atheists
Shootemout@reddit
No one should care about it
WristWatchFelon@reddit
Jesus was a fictional jew.
jackt-up@reddit
You can’t be serious
WristWatchFelon@reddit
Jew part surely you wouldn't debate. As for fictional, zero contemporary sources. Sources we have 100+ years later have no sources, like tacitus, Josephus etc whose works were interpolated or the quotes in question faked by the church who had possession of the documents and were translating/"preserving" them
jackt-up@reddit
Were the apostles real people? Because “if” they were we have dozens of primary, contemporary sources. There’s Romans who mention him in passing. Kind of hard to believe all those Christians died for nothing, for a lie, if they really didn’t believe it and were making it all up.
You can say you don’t believe Jesus was divine, but to say he didn’t exist is ahistorical.
WristWatchFelon@reddit
Lots of people die for lots of things that aren't true. The apostles named as the authors of the Gospels aren't the real authors. The Gospels were authored decades after the death of the supposed person Jesus. Even Bible scholars admit this because the evidence is too strong. So again, no contemporary sources.
Which Romans? And no, a jew was not god lol
jackt-up@reddit
You make it sound like it was so long down the road lol. We’re talking like 20 years and that’s what we have surviving. Paul was writing in the 60s AD. Already there are Christian communities all over, half of them non-Jews. It wasn’t just a Jewish cult or conspiracy or something like that.
I actually used to believe it was a Roman conspiracy. When you dig deep you see how absurd that is. The New Testament is the most corroborated work of Antiquity, by such a large motion, throwing out its authenticity would require you throwing out all of the Western Canon. We have 10,000 surviving primary copies from the time immediately following Jesus’ death.
For the Iliad—the 2nd most corroborated? We have 80.
WristWatchFelon@reddit
It was absolutely a Jewish cult. Paul (rabbi named saul who changed his name, sound familiar?) took the faith to the gentiles. All the apostles listed are jews.
It's a Jewish conspiracy, it helped them de-paganize the world and get all gentiles to believe in the torah and their god yahweh.
Still waiting on those roman sources before we get to your new claim.
PushPullLego@reddit
Even though Helen of Troy didn't exist, I argue she did not look like this
Mr__Castle_@reddit
She certainly looks like she burnt the topless towers of Ilium.
PinBeneficial1366@reddit
Too flat
TypicalMootis@reddit
Crafty-Beyond-2202@reddit
A roman citizen living in the levant 600 years before the Arab expansion was almost certainly a white man.
Ozymandias_1303@reddit
I mean I believe there was a real person. There were a bunch of Jewish apocalyptic cult leaders around that time and Jesus was one of them.
TheThalmorEmbassy@reddit
He looks like an Italian playing a Mexican in a spaghetti western
Nocebola@reddit
No shit, you need to have faith to believe all mainstream depictions of Jesus.