Here Are All 97 Car Dealers the FTC Threatened Over 'Deceptive' Pricing
Posted by Anchor_Aways@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 68 comments
Posted by Anchor_Aways@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 68 comments
narwhal_breeder@reddit
american_cheese@reddit
Lol. I knew I’d see Hendrick in this list.
sarcasticorange@reddit
I bought a car from City Chevrolet once. Actually got a pretty good deal. But that was back when that was Hendricks' only dealership.
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
How do you think he affords to drop Millions on Corvettes?
SavageSeZ@reddit
Maybe because he owns one of the most successful racing teams of all time. Owns multiple race tracks etc.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Penske as well…
DredgenCyka@reddit
Ourisman. Yeah deserved scumbags advertised discounts on vehicles for veterans only to say "oh we actually dont have them in inventory, so we can offer the same trim and model at MSRP + Add-ons."
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Super_cooper001@reddit
Bought a car from rairdon once. They suck
DeviIstar@reddit
Not shocked to see Ken Garf on there - those from Utah know.. there is a reason Young seems to be eating their lunch
Bloated_Plaid@reddit
LMAO I know so many of these dealers, NY is fucked.
BrandonNeider@reddit
the NYC area really is the house always wins, go shop down the street with a different brand, same ownership.
Tasca really bought into the Westchester and NJ area now. Pepe is the last "bastion" but is luxury brands only.
KyledKat@reddit
So is SoCal—I spy quite a few I’ve seen on my cars.com window shopping sprees.
weirdbutinagoodway@reddit
TIL Berkshire Hathaway has a car sales division
PabloIceCreamBar@reddit
They purchased the Van Tyul auto group.
ae74@reddit
Not a surprise to see the former Van Tyul Auto Group on this list. I will never walk into a dealership until I validate it isn’t a Berkshire dealership.
NarcoticCow@reddit
I wonder if thats the same Red Mccombs as UT Ausin's McCombs School of Business?
sfear70@reddit
It is.
wiscotangofoxtreat@reddit
Knew id see old orchard. They force people to sign arbitration agreements, fuck people over with false prices, and lie about warranties.
And they white wash the reviews.
PabloIceCreamBar@reddit
The vast majority of franchise dealers all utilize the Law 553 with Arbitration.
Drum_Eatenton@reddit
I’m surprised not to see the fine folks from the Napleton dealer group
RobinsShaman@reddit
Can you add a city and state for each?
savageotter@reddit
That's like all the big players
recursive_pie@reddit
Like it, love it, want more of it.
Rabo_McDongleberry@reddit
I've had dealings with a few of these dealerships as I'm the guy my family calls when they need to buy a car and talk to dealers on their behalf.
xlb250@reddit
I use broker now to minimize their commission
Nemo123161@reddit
Brokers getting a bad deal, and you are paying for it.
xlb250@reddit
The broker I use is flat fee. Last purchase was 20% off MSRP, buy rate MF, and zero add ons. You can easily verify the deal from online information.
CorrectCombination11@reddit
How do you know you couldn't get that same deal?
xlb250@reddit
You can get the same deal or even better. I used to email blast dealers and have cars shipped from out of state high volume dealers.
The broker can save you some time and effort, because they’re the ones doing the legwork to get the deal. Whether that is worth it to you will be subjective.
Some of my motivation is ideological. The dealership frontend value to me is processing my paperwork, so I want to push the incentives toward that direction.
mini4x@reddit
Serious question, did they only look at 97 dealers?
Shmokesshweed@reddit
No. List includes large dealer groups.
mini4x@reddit
How many are there was it 97 out of 400, or 97 out of 97
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Thousands of dealers across the 3-4 largest dealer groups and independents. I think someone else did the math in the thread here.
paintpast@reddit
Probably easier to list the ones that don’t do it
0O0OOO0O0OOO0O0OO@reddit
California Motor Direct.. I knew their sleazy butts would be on it
francobry@reddit
I was brought into a company that managed thousands of dealership websites by a private equity firm as they were flipping it for sale. Most of the dealership owners and management are the most disgusting people I’ve ever worked with. If the FTC is watching (and cares)… nearly all asked for variable pricing schemes that could be managed in real time based on whether the customer was in the building, test driving, etc. As in, if the customer took it for a test drive seeing one price online, the dealer wanted the option to raise the price during the test drive so if the client looked up the price again upon conclusion it would reflect their newly increased price.
RevvCats@reddit
When I was in the market for a new car in 2019 I got 4 out of the 6 deceptive prices.
Price that included discounts that aren’t available to all customer, oh yeah that was basically every dealer.
Price that didn’t include all required fees, yup and some dealers quoted me numbers over phone/email that didn’t include the factories destination charge making me think they were actually selling the car below MSRP.
Price that didn’t include dealer mandatory add ons, oh yeah the Jersey dealers were particularly bad about this.
Advertising a car that didn’t exist, Martin Main Line Honda in Ardmore convinced me to waste an afternoon driving out of Philly to “test drive” a type-r that wasn’t even on the lot. I got there and the guy wanted me to sit down and sign paperwork for a car that was in transit. Seven years later and I still hate Honda for how godawful their dealerships were.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
I woulda hit him with, "Presence is power."
Shmokesshweed@reddit
The FTC isn't doing its job if it's this small of a list.
jdore8@reddit
Listing Lithia but not say Suburban _ of wherever benefits Lithia because most people won't know who owns the dealership.
IrlArizonaBoi@reddit
Well AutoNation forcing you to buy paint protection packages and add ons that "We already put on the car" but then when you read the fine print it's actually a 5 year prepaid detailing service and nothing was on the car is something I've experienced.
Also asking $19k for a 2015 Accord coupe with 120k miles on it and no maintenance history.
I don't shop there haha
WaffleHouseFistFight@reddit
I refuse to give automation my business. Every time I go the prices are outrageous and the sales people are slime balls.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
I wouldn’t wonder Alpine flopped in North America when they come.
gimpwiz@reddit
They refused to sell me a car without their add-ons. Okay, cool, I bought it from someone else.
IrlArizonaBoi@reddit
Yeah no problem.
WooWoo_KennyWu@reddit
Oursman isn’t shocking at all. Wildly inaccurate pricing on their website (5k difference) than what’s real
Maximilianne@reddit
🤔
lee1026@reddit
Not rare for a dealer to sell used cars from other makes.
What do you expect them to do when you trade in a car?
ronchee1@reddit
Demolition derby
Ok_Tadpole1661@reddit
Its a used car lot. They used to make a killing on 96 month base 3/5 series used cars, now they do Tesla too. Pretty easy for them being in a lower (subjective lol) income area of orange county, plenty of people want to look the part.
wiscotangofoxtreat@reddit
Wow old orchard nissan and Huntley Ford, same ownership group and they got both?
Absolutely awesome though empty feeling without actual repercussions.
Hello99399@reddit
Bruh, I was wondering why so many (all?) of the cars at Old Orchard Nissan were ‘best deals’ on auto trader and were not selling very fast. Went to go look at one, 25% mandatory fee for absolutely no reason. Told them to kick rocks and walked out when they gave me some “that’s what we had to pay to bring the car from out of state and inspect it” excuse.
PabloIceCreamBar@reddit
Granted, with the dealer groups mentioned, you’re in the hundreds of dealerships affected.
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
I wanted to see a ballpark estimate, and Gemini counted around 1550 total dealerships spread across all of the groups.
_Thorshammer_@reddit
Thousands.
Sonic, Lithia, and Autonation have around 1000 between the three of them.
Once you start adding in the smaller dealer groups like Garff and Hendrick you're probably looking at somewhere north of 1500.
DirtySouthCityBoi@reddit
Ha ha ha, Hanna and Sanford Imports as well. Good Ol North Carolina.
GrowthEvery959@reddit
John Sisson motors is in my area, place is nothing but crooks
RickieBob@reddit
Add Coulter Cadillac in Phoenix to the list.
Reason: Requiring consumers to buy additional items not reflected in the advertised price.
Meteoric37@reddit
Don’t forget Jerry Seiner, who purposely incorrectly calculated sales tax so they can make their offer on your trade look better than it is.
Metal_LinksV2@reddit
Fuck, I have bought 2 vehicless from Holman. Last time they tried to tack on ≈$1500 for a GPS tracker without telling me on a used F150. They took it off but left the tracker I then ripped out
BuilderNo2644@reddit
Don't forget Preston Toyota, Toyota of Warren, Toyota of Canton, Toyota of Akron, Preston Mazda, diehl Toyota, Honda of Warren, Honda of boardman
ikilledtupac@reddit
My AutoNation purchases was a huge mess, but they didn’t try to upsell me anything. Maybe this was way.
s3cf_@reddit
nice, call them shady dealerships out
Lord_Petyr_PoppyCock@reddit
Well. Guess I got had. I just bought a car from one on the list in Feb.
k_marts@reddit
Oh cool I've never bought a car from any of th...
sees last dealership on the list
fffffffuuuuu
Possible_Head_1269@reddit
somehow only 3 of them are toyota dealers
Ancient_Wisdom_Yall@reddit
Not "Best Price Dealer" too!