Mavs plan arena, entertainment complex at old Valley View Mall site, leaving Downtown Dallas

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yellowsun_97@reddit

Downtown season pass residents are punching the air right now

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walnut100@reddit

Just going to cancel tbh. $15k to drive to Valley View? Fuck off with that.

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yellowsun_97@reddit

And I imagine the prices will go up to pay for the new build!

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ericl666@reddit

And, of course, no DART line goes there. I really wanna know if there will be any way for them to add that - as it is huge. I much prefer going to games on DART vs driving.

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cwsharpless@reddit

There's a bus route (22, from Addison or Forest Lane). But that is a massive downgrade from the current setup nonetheless.

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NYerInTex@reddit

No one who is paying NBA ticket prices is taking a bus to the games. Sadly our bus systems are for those who have no other choice rather than proving a by choice option

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I moved from Dallas to Vegas a few years ago. Here, they just run a bunch of special "game day express" busses when the Raiders or Golden Knights play. It's basically a park+ride system. They have 6 or 7 pickup spots, drop you off right at the arena, and bring you back after the game. Instead of driving 45 minutes and paying $40 to park, you drive 5-10 minutes, pay $4 round trip, and get to drink on the bus. Also the cops let the busses through the arena traffic first on the way in and out.

It's honestly fantastic, works great, is cheap, reduces congestion, makes money, doesn't require a whole train, etc. Everybody wins except the blood sucking parking garages.

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Round_Holiday4693@reddit

thats basically what J. Gilligan's does for AT&T stadium and its awesome

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WITX89@reddit

Same things with Cubs games to Wrigley. Park somewhere, hop on a bus full of drunk Cubs fans, and show up outside of Wrigley 15 minutes later.

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jffadvisors@reddit

The people who sweep the floor will take the bus.

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5yrup@reddit

People say the same about the Stars and yet the trains are always packed. Just about every time I've gone to an event at the AAC, no matter how expensive, the trains have been busy. I will admit I've never gone to a Mavs game, but it would really surprise me if they weren't busy as well.

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NYerInTex@reddit

I’m a huge transit advocate so don’t get me wrong, I want to see it work.

But for a vast majority of this user group there is a huge difference between the two nodes. Many who will use trains won’t use buses. It’s just reality.

Not ALL, but a vast majority

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5yrup@reddit

I agree. The busses are just also going to get stuck in traffic. They'll be absolutely terrible by comparison especially for such an event.

I see that compared to the Bell Centre, which has multiple train lines going through the attached big train station. And tons of housing actually somewhat affordable by normal people within walking distance. Such a better transit experience.

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NYerInTex@reddit

I grew up on Long Island as a Mets fan (talk about a lifetime of pain). I could drive a few minutes, jump on a train and 30-40 min total time from door to door be at the ballpark… add another 15 or so minutes to get the Knicks games at MSG.

Getting home was even better not trying to fight all of the exit traffic leaving the same time

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thekamakaji@reddit

As someone who has, I disagree. Also, the venue will likely be used for other events too

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NYerInTex@reddit

I don’t want to underplay that bus lines are important. But for ticket holders? It’s not going to be a widely used option in its current incarnation

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cwsharpless@reddit

At the rate things are going, I'm not sure if anyone will be able to pay NBA ticket prices...

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Pecan_Artist@reddit

That's why I go to Wings games. I can afford great seeata,they're moving downtown and an easy Dart ride for me. It's a win for me. I really don't see a point in driving while buzzed.

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BamaPhils@reddit

And another one in the 237 but still agreed

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bigharrycox@reddit

Best I can do is $75 dollar parking

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Wise-ask-1967@reddit

Don't forget about the giant tax brakes for the owners cause you know job Creators and what not

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Round_Holiday4693@reddit

nvm the job losses as Victory Plaza bars and restaurants start really struggling

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imamakeyoucry@reddit

Dude I went to the Carolina Hurricanes game the other night when I was visiting NC and every parking lot was $75. It was insane.

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valiantdistraction@reddit

That's the money the current team owners aren't getting at AAC that they want

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jffadvisors@reddit

If you are taking DART to the game, the Mavs do not care about you as a fan. The new ownership is only interested in monetizing their investment, which includes you paying to park and spending a fortune on concessions at the game.

Cuban may have been the last benevolent billionaire

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Sad_Application_8200@reddit

well didn’t Cuban make the biggest mistake of his life being GREEDY!

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Kirjath-Sepher@reddit

I’d put that at 15% chance of happening by the time the stadium opens. Planning, environmental review, engineering, land acquisition, and construction would all have to be completed and approved in 5 years. Considering the recent attacks on DART by city councils, there’s probably not enough support for it.

The dumonts would prefer the parking revenue anyway.

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WITX89@reddit

It took 6 years of construction for the silver line to be converted. There is no current railline to convert, plans, or ownership of property to make it happen. The chance of a functional line in 5 years is 0%.

I won't even add a .00001%.

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Alivaronas@reddit

I doubt it will ever happen, but a theoretical DART line going down the DNT corridor could serve both these theoretical arenas at Willow Bend and. Valley Fair, as well as the Legacy Shopping area in Plano.

And even bigger stretch would be Frisco joining DART and then that line could extend to Stonebriar serving the Rough Riders park, and then going all the way to Frisco Square where FC Dallas plays.

But that would be way to fucking awesome to ever be built.

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CarltonBigglesworth@reddit

If a DNT corridor were to happen, it would stop at The Galleria and not a few blocks east at Valley View.

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Consistent_Reward@reddit

I support this message, but if Frisco ever joins DART, we will have passed an amendment to the state Constitution to make it happen, and I highly doubt people will pay 9.25% sales tax for that.

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rsf0626@reddit

It was already such a fight to even keep DART from being voted out of Addison. No chance in hell its getting expanded

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DoctorJiveTurkey@reddit

They should have built a dart line along 635 when it was redone

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Neuroavalanche@reddit

It's light rail, they can build it easily. You may have to walk a bit, but it's doable.

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BamaPhils@reddit

Not happening. NTTA would NEVER allow something that would cut down on the monopoly of service of moving people between Dallas and Frisco

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vivalakellye@reddit

A Mavs shuttle from the LBJ station wouldn’t be too terrible.

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radioref@reddit

Maybe HP can throw their 3 Vans into the transportation pool that they replaced DART with /s

(or however many they bought, I’ve seen them driving around now)

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Additional-Hyena721@reddit

in the previous plans for Dallas Midtown they proposed a connector from Addison station (so Silver Line only) that would run down Inwood (existing old rail lines) and then turn on Alpha and through Galleria (elevated) station on new floor. Could be economically justified and necessary for traffic mgmt.

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d3vtec@reddit

The adelsons are going to follow the Jerry Jones model and require parking and make a lot of money off of it.

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ShimeUnter@reddit

they don't want that. What they want is to charge you an arm-and-leg for parking.

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Elegant_Enrique@reddit

RIP downtown Dallas. It’s time for them to make some serious changes.

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upperdeckerdad@reddit

I’d like to see downtown prioritize pedestrians by closing off vehicle traffic on Main St from Deep Ellum through downtown. Restaurants could move tables outdoors for euro style dining al fresco. Bikes could actually use the bike lanes without fear of collisions with cars. And fuck Miriam.

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southernmayd@reddit

Sure but no one is gonna sit outside for their meal in Texas for like 8 months out of the year thanks to the weather

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YaGetSkeeted0n@reddit

?? Maybe four months, June through September, and even then it’s manageable with fans and shade. People pay good money to fry like sausages and buy overpriced beer at the fair for gods sake.

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southernmayd@reddit

You gonna be eating outside in December, January and Feb where its regularly freezing or in the 30s/40s? Or mid-late May when it's 95 outside?

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YaGetSkeeted0n@reddit

Dawg I was wearing shorts on Christmas last year. This ain’t Chicago, if it’s cold in the winter it’ll be warm within a few days

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Round_Holiday4693@reddit

people are fucking allergic to cool urbanism ideas lol

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TheDakestTimeline@reddit

Lol, February is the only month too cold for al fresco dining, and heaters are a thing

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vladamir_the_impaler@reddit

Yeah I don't care what anyone says, Dallas is not an outdoor friendly city. It's been strangely not hot as all hell the past 1+ years or so but that was a fluke. It's just not possible to enjoy the outdoors in this city for the majority of the year.

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intransigent_bunny@reddit

That's why no establishment in Dallas has a patio.

What are you talking about?

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valiantdistraction@reddit

Most patios are enclosed with evaporative coolers, fans, and heaters

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WITX89@reddit

Are those impossible to recreate in this situation?

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Thespindrift@reddit

Have you never been to truck yard during the summer? People just tend to go out later. It's not like outdoor life completely stops when its hot out.

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DizzyDentist22@reddit

There were exactly 19 days this whole past winter that reached freezing lol. 4 out of 5 days through the winter, the temperature didn't even reach freezing. You're overexaggerating things. I ate outside all the time this winter

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bikerdude214@reddit

Getting harassed by homeless people would kinda kill one's appetite.

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DizzyDentist22@reddit

Yup. Even throughout the summer, eating outside can be well managed through shade, fans, fly fans, and misters. There's still plenty of locations throughout Dallas where I regularly eat through summer outside

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filmgasm91@reddit

That’s the opposite. There’s only 90 days where it’s absolutely miserable

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rat_penis@reddit

This is the one thing everyone forgets when they start talking about "walkable downtown". You'd need a shit ton of greenery downtown to make it pedestrian friendly and beat the heat effect you get from all the concrete and asphalt. Dallas doesn't have that kind of budget to install and maintain that.

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tacmed85@reddit

Shhhhhhh. You're not supposed to use logic when discussing outdoor spaces in Texas

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lucidJG@reddit

There are dozens of world cities hotter than Texas where people regularly walk places.

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DMTryp@reddit

downtown in the summer smells like a sauna full or urine and feces.

they have to deal with the unhoused issue and that's just going to get worse sadly

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frotc914@reddit

Yeah but are they fatter than Texas? Didn't think so.

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slunk3@reddit

Re-open up the tunnels. Backrooms are in right now

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AbueloOdin@reddit

I eat outside year round. The key is designing a space with that in mind.

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DizzyDentist22@reddit

8 months out of the year not being able to eat outside is a huge overexaggeration. I eat outside regularly in Dallas for probably 8 months out of the year lol

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Dirks_Knee@reddit

Sounds great for like 2 months of the year. No one is eating outside when it's 100 or 50.

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myopic1@reddit

I have been saying this for years, except I’ll add that hey should close Harwood from City Hall to Klyde Warren Park as well.

I’m sure there would be more than a handful of intersections that would have to be managed, but it would reprioritize downtown as being for people that are actually downtown.

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TXCCDFW@reddit

Upperdeckedad for mayor! I will support his standing on the throne! A man who had great ideas and how to make them happen!

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Additional-Hyena721@reddit

Could be similar to how you have AirTrains connect Neward and LAX to the city’s primary metro services via a station. The Addison DART station is currently at the foot of what was already approved for an $50M blow up of its city events /convention center- this could justify expansion and reimagining of that DART station. Still Silver line only though.

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intransigent_bunny@reddit

I tried biking to work for a week and almost got taken out on Main St. twice. I would totally bike to these establishments if they did this.

If you're reading this and your instinct is to say "but it'll never happen, this place is built around cars," you should join us in pushing for it instead. Every bike on the street means you have one fewer car to compete with, one fewer road needing your tax dollars for constant maintenance, etc.

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vinhluanluu@reddit

I think casinos and hotels are incoming.

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AttentionSalt3269@reddit

🤞

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GravitationalEddie@reddit

RIP 635 traffic! With HEB coming in down the street it's gonna be even more hell.

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Boo-Bees67@reddit

Dude they already reworked that whole corridor. Everything will be fine. Just use the express if traffic is bad

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GravitationalEddie@reddit

I'm sorry, did you just say, 'just use the $s'? I'm lucky to have enough for gas.

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Boo-Bees67@reddit

Yeah just use the express lane. Super cheap. Only $5 every time

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Pecan_Artist@reddit

The Wings will be there. I enjoy those games and will gladly support them and downtown.

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DowntownDallasSucks@reddit

Firing DDI leadership is a good start.

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dchirs@reddit

Propaganda

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jffadvisors@reddit

oh NOW it is time to make some serious changes?

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Elguapo69@reddit

Didn’t this same general area complain about a HEB opening up because of the traffic it would add and try to block that? They ought to love this I guess.

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metalstuds@reddit

Dallas doesn’t want to give up their downtown site. The arena, as nice as it is, is old, especially from a player and worker personnel. Other newer arenas are superior to what AAC offers players and staff. And these areas are incapable of being redone. They have to shut down for a season.

It’s not ideal, no. But for all their plans and desires as owners the choice gives them flexibility to offer the public, players and player’s families , a better environment.

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KeyEnvironmental2090@reddit

moving to japan

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After_Term5658@reddit

Christ.

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Significant_Fox9290@reddit

I guess Stars to Plano will probably happen now.

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PumpkinCarvingisFun@reddit

Why wouldn't the Stars stay at AAC?

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Significant_Fox9290@reddit

Lease expires in 2031. They probably want to be able to design their own district since they can’t get in with the Mav’s.

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vayvayvayva@reddit

It still doesn’t make sense bc in 2030 they can buy the entire enchilada (parking, mall, arena) for $1mil

Kinda feels like Adelson’s just trying to consolidate as much of Dallas as possible

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DoubleBookingCo@reddit

I agree but from an asset perspective why buy an aging stadium which will probably cost more in maintenance than its sales value (minus the land) - when you can develop a stadium and whole district around it, own the parking, own the retail and office as landlord. And then sell off the buildings for $100-500M a piece once they are leased up, or borrow against them for your next development.

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vayvayvayva@reddit

That’s why I said consolidate—as in she wants both.

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DoubleBookingCo@reddit

True why not both. That would be truly evil. It should be sold to the wings or the next user idk

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vayvayvayva@reddit

I agree, but unfortunately the money here is particularly soulless. Always has been.

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jffadvisors@reddit

The city of Dallas picked a side in the fight between the Mavs and the Stars. They chose the Mavs. No way the Stars now stay on as a tenant in the city

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cwsharpless@reddit

Because the new hot thing is to own all the land around the stadium and lease it out to bars and hotels and the like. They can't do that at AAC since everything's already owned and built out.

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mrsooner@reddit

because the people who will buy stuff at the arena(s), retail, and hotel are closer to or in Collin County now. Buying power of downtown and anywhere south is gone.

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Lightzephyrx@reddit

100%. The Shops at Willow Bend is the news headlines location so far.

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Significant_Fox9290@reddit

I don’t love it.

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Lightzephyrx@reddit

More like fucking hate it lol

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Significant_Fox9290@reddit

😆😆😆

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theregoesgravitee@reddit

Dillard’s sold their land directly to the Stars

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CureTBA@reddit

I’m just glad they’re finally building something at Valley View. Although I’m a bit pessimistic, that place is cursed and I feel like I’ve heard about like 5 developments in the past 10 years that just never materialized there.

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bigharrycox@reddit

It's cursed because it's a terrible location. I don't know what the Mavs are thinking.

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khaki75230@reddit

What about it makes it a terrible location? Not disputing, just curious.

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bigharrycox@reddit

Even though it's only 10-15 miles north of downtown, it makes the trip 20x more difficult for anyone coming from the west side.

It's also adjacent enough to the Harry Hines/asian massage area that it becomes 'scary' for suburban folks.

There's just nothing there. When's the last time you ever heard anyone say 'let's visit the Valley View area.' It took 40 years and two ballparks for the area around the Rangers to amount to anything. It's feels similar to that.

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DoubleBookingCo@reddit

The area around the rangers stadium is frankly a shithole. Texas live that sits empty except for game days, a hotel connected to two stadiums, a sea of parking lots, and a wal mart

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Dirks_Knee@reddit

635 can be a mess, getting in and out of there at the tail end of rush hour is going to be an issue. And much of the immediate surrounding are has gotten run down. Of course, this is going to bring in a huge amount of gentrification as all the lower rent housing in the area will be demolished and redeveloped, the area will be unrecognizable by the time the arena opens.

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zeroonetw@reddit

Nothing wrong with the location. Just crap owners for the past 15 years.

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theregoesgravitee@reddit

Does anyone know what this means for the American Airlines Center? Will it be torn down? It’s a great building a shame if it goes away completely

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DoubleBookingCo@reddit

Dallas Wings, concerts, comedy shows, Arena Football, minor league hockey, indoor soccer?

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soonerfreak@reddit

The Wings, more concerts, maybe a PWHL team eventually, it's not going anywhere.

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HenrikCrown@reddit

I thought City Hall was moving there?

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nickgomez@reddit

Monster trucks? Wings? Renegades?

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pot8odragon@reddit

Eventually it’ll close. Stars are going to Plano. So basically it’s just a concert venue now until it gets replaced by the Mavs new arena

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ohwhataday10@reddit

So long, Sayonara, I75 calm traffic!!!! 😂

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DoubleBookingCo@reddit

The important and generational lasting question for the Mavericks now is will they create a development centered around ground parking lot capacity that is only used 80 days a year, or create a true mixed-use destination with housing that hides parking in favor of walkability and is pleasant to live in.

And how fast will they develop the site. Because 110 acres is a shit ton of area to build.

They have signaled wanting to create a true holistic development but we shall see.

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BigYogi@reddit

I wonder what's going to happen to all those apartment complexes on the north side of Alpha between Montford and Preston?

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Surlyllama23@reddit

The older ones will be torn down and the newer ones will raise the monthly rent $400.

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BigYogi@reddit

Surely they wouldn't do that to all those working people living there./s

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Kirjath-Sepher@reddit

This fucking sucks. Screw the Adelsons. Downtown Dallas has been taking loss after loss. When will it stop?

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9ToedWoman@reddit

Easy: when the homeless/drug addict problem goes away.

You can have a thriving area where people want to be, or you can have whatever the F that is in downtown Dallas. Pick one.

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khz30@reddit

When Dallas City Council decides that Downtown Dallas is more than a place to work for suburbanites.

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soonerfreak@reddit

Other than promising a blank check to build a new arena that the Adelsons also own what do you think they could have done to keep the Mavs? This move is about pure greed so they can also get rich on everything that surrounds the arena.

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bobsbrain@reddit

So basically never, too many corporate and transplant dollars in the short term to cultivate an identity that people give a shit about in the long term. I guess we need to open a bunch of casinos, right? Cause we all want that...

/s

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cbuech@reddit

Thanks Cuban for selling to the Adelsons

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zeroonetw@reddit

Cuban soldiers because he’s a pretty owner.

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royalooozooo@reddit

I remember going to reunion and seeing that torn down.

The promise was victory park was going to be a new, upcoming, upscale entertainment district. Dart drop off, hotels, shops, bars are all right there.

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zeroonetw@reddit

Victory Park is exactly as you described. The current owners of the Mavs don’t own any of it, thus can’t make money off it.

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wayofthrows1991@reddit

Remember when people were trying to block the HEB at Hillcrest & 635 due to traffic concerns?

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TalpaPantheraUncia@reddit

That was just dumb, same thing with pepper square, they have the infrastructure to support it, if you add the Mavs on top of that all at the same time tho, eh. MAJOR widening of roads and building either a rail line or increasing bus capacity will have to happen. Day to day traffic has already been getting worse every year that makes morning and evening commute hell. Not as bad as downtown but getting closer.

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stanner5@reddit

DART rail will be kind of useless here, won't it? What's the closest train stop?

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treesqu@reddit

Addison Station is about a 15-minute drive away (unless there's traffic, which there would be on game days).

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Beautiful_Sock2757@reddit

If Dallas was in a blue state every right wing account and Fox News would be going on and on about how libs were killing the downtown.

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WITX89@reddit

So what's your interpretation of why downtown Dallas is being killed?

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cwsharpless@reddit

No, they'd be happy that downtown is dying because it's "crime-filled"* or something.

*And by "crime-filled", I mean "they saw one homeless person who wasn't even asking for money".

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howitzeral@reddit

You’re giving them too much much credit. For right wingers, downtown=urban=black=crime.
It’s outright racism.

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extraordinaryevents@reddit

Gotta be exhausting having this type of thing be your first thought

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Beautiful_Sock2757@reddit

Nah the only thing exhausting is the constant right wing outrage on things, that they then totally have no outrage over when it affects them.

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Beautiful_Sock2757@reddit

Nah the only thing exhausting is the constant right wing outrage on things, that they then totally have no outrage over when it affects them.

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Apprehensive-Buy3447@reddit

Dallas is one of the worst sports cities.

One of the most fakest sports cities in America

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whittyhuton214@reddit

Couldn't agree more! Such an unserious sports town

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Jackieray2light@reddit

Miriam Adelson owns land in Irving and has approved plans to build her arena there, has the Dallas city manager selling her soul to give up city hall for the arena, and is now looking at the biggest eyesore in north Dallas to build her arena on.??? Unless she can bribe her way into some masive tax abatements and grants, I still think that if gambling gets legalized she will build in Irving, where everything is already approved, and if not she will move the mavs to a gambling state.

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treesqu@reddit

There is political opposition in Irving to gambling on that site. If it were up to the city's Economic Development folks, it would likely happen, but there is a very vocal, well-financed, well-organized (and very conservative) block of voters there (mostly in South Irving) who will go scorched-earth to prevent it.

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NuckyMunch@reddit

Aren't they building the new Dallas HEB super close to this spot?

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TalpaPantheraUncia@reddit

Yes, rumored to be open in 2028. All I can say as someone who has lived in this area for nearly two decades we DO NOT have enough public transit or lanes to handle the I flux of traffic HEB, pepper square AND Dallas Mavs to all be moving here at the same time, it's gonna be a clusterfuck.

Worst part is it will probably gentrify the area and kick all of us out of here that have lived here in relative peace without issues.

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Optimistiqueone@reddit

It's not far but not super close as in easy walking distance. Maybe about a 1/2-1 mile down 635 but opposite side of free way. So yes super close if driving.

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TryNotToAnyways2@reddit

Dallas wings and a new minor league hockey team should play at the American Airlines arena. They should also double down on concerts. At least it's not an abandoned baseball or football stadium, those are much harder to repurpose.

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darkpaladin@reddit

I would like to order 1 PWHL team please and thank you.

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EnoughSprinkles2653@reddit

Don’t we have a professional women’s volleyball team, too? They could play there!

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MemoryOfRagnarok@reddit

Acoustics in AAC suck unless you are right down low.

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EnoughSprinkles2653@reddit

Wings are going to AAC next season, I believe.

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ReserveFormal3910@reddit

Naw, they're moving to an arena being built that is part of kay Bailey Hutchinson center.

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EnoughSprinkles2653@reddit

That move got delayed, hence the discussion about moving to AAC. (WFAA)

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builtlikebrad@reddit

No Dallas team wants to be in Dallas

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Delay_That@reddit

So what’s left in Downtown Dallas? I honestly haven’t been there since the pandemic, corporations leaving, the two sports teams are leaving, what is there to draw people to this area to support the restaurants and hotels that are still there?

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tawdryhepburnnnn@reddit

Reunion Arena’s ghost now laughing at AAC.

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nosleep4eternity@reddit

I may actually attend more games after they move. Much better location for the fans living north.

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Abject-Associate-676@reddit

We thank them for choosing to be in a part of Dallas that needed them and not leaving their birth city like the 'Dallas' rangers and the 'Dallas' cowboys.

Valley View is an immigrant downtrodden neighborhood in the midst of the wealthiest parts of the town and at the intersection of one of the busiest and best known interactions.

Fabulous choice.

Maybe the boys will next, after Irving and Arlington and will come back to South Dallas, grow the home that made them and get back to winning trophies

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GreenYellow899@reddit

The cowboys just agreed to a 30 year extension with Arlington

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Huevos_De_Oro@reddit

Just want to point out the Rangers have always gone by Texas Rangers and have always played in Arlington since they left their birth city (D.C.). Dallas Rangers was never a thing lol

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awr54@reddit

Good riddance

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bballjones9241@reddit

How am I supposed to get shit faced and get a 10 minute uber home now

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MediumLong6108@reddit

Now the only team Dallas cares about (Let’s go Stars!!!) can have more leverage over staying in the AAC downtown.

If the Stars end up in Willow Bend Mall area then this is just poetic irony and the whole city gets screwed one way or another 🤣

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Boo-Bees67@reddit

I don’t know why you guys are pissed at this. It made sense in the 90s for the Mavs to be down there but the money had moved north. There’s prolly another 2 million people far north now that wasn’t there before. And these are high income households

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Abject-Associate-676@reddit

Who cares about downtown? Who needs it? There are many many places to be

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Abject-Associate-676@reddit

Downtown Dallas needs more stuff to do and it needs to figure it how to be welcoming to people. The behaviors that remove homeless people also mean no one can hang out and chill out there

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robdenbleyker@reddit

Better than Arlington.

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txnewsprincess@reddit

I think I a little bit predicted this last week.
https://www.dmagazine.com/micropost/dallas-mavericks-valley-view/

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rgg40@reddit

I didn’t need another reason to not go to Mavs games, but there it is.

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MGE5@reddit

Even our sports teams practice white flight. Now we just need the Rangers to move to Sherman

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Unusual_Aspect1427@reddit

Why is Dallas actively trying to become an unserious city.

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DragDeezeNuts@reddit

Man it was such simple to go watch a game! Now it’s even going to be a pain in the ass!!!!

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beardlesswonder@reddit

635 rush hour on game days is going to be a pain

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nickgomez@reddit

Better leave at lunchtime to make that 7pm tip

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cbuech@reddit

Texspress lines about to be $50 surge pricing

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Ok-Nose29@reddit

Now I can't pay $500 to watch a 34-48 Mavericks team 😔

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Neuroavalanche@reddit

The Valley View area has been an eye-sore blight for our city for almost two decades so it's great that this is finally going to be fixed. No, that other dev thing promised 15 years ago was never coming.

For those of you complaining about parking or DART, get over it. This needed to be done and we can't keep losing teams to other cities. Plus it's light rail and pretty easy to add if they want it.

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zoolak@reddit

Does them moving to valley view increase property values in the surrounding area or decrease them?

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nickgomez@reddit

Next championship parade down…Alpha Rd? Pregame at Chuck E. Cheese?

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purpletees@reddit

My gawd!

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GrilledCheeser@reddit

Personally I wouldn’t want to live next to a pro sports arena

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BamaPhils@reddit

Funny how it’s technically downtown when something leaves but technically uptown when something goes to the victory park area. Pick a lane

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ShimeUnter@reddit

Great, now everyone can stop coming up with conspiracies how city hall is going to be sold to the Mavs. It was never plausible for their timeline.

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Jamesatwork16@reddit

If you still support this team in any possible way, it's never a bad time to stop! Fuck the Adelsons. Fuck the Mavs.

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EnoughSprinkles2653@reddit

So the whole Irving plan was all for naught?

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khz30@reddit

The Irving plan was a red herring to get casino gambling legalized. Since that was never going to happen in Austin, Valley View turned into their target.

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