We know human body on bicycle is the most efficient way of transportation. What about E-bike?
Posted by Exciting_Station_124@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 55 comments
stealstea@reddit
This paper argues that e-bikes are even more efficient than bicycles once you take into account the carbon emissions that are produced from the additional food required to pedal a bike: https://www.ebikes.ca/documents/Ebike_Energy.pdf
jnyc777@reddit
Carbon emissions 🤣 a static bike gives you muscles and endurance. The workout you get is what makes you hungry! The health input of a static bike overtakes any “emissions” you can think of. I’m a lazy old ass, who wouldn’t be interested in ridding a static bike to work, but the ebike if a much better alternative to my car!
Exciting_Station_124@reddit (OP)
This is a very bad comparison from the paper. Here is the these:
Only the consumables of both transportation modes will be considered in the comparison.
stealstea@reddit
What is your actual criticism
smoothloam@reddit
This is assuming people eat less if they’re on a e-bike. I know a lot of eBikers, they’re definitely not eating less since they switched from their bicycle.
stealstea@reddit
All things equal would imply they are not switching to an ebike and then gaining weight due to lower calories burned with no change in intake
Empty_glass_bottle@reddit
I've seen a lot of posts in this sub recently with titles like "guys I'm 5'10 and 300lbs what ebike should I choose"?
I'd like to be happy thinking these guys are gonna get in better shape because of the ebike but as they narrow down which bike they want, you realize they don't plan to peddle at all 😭
Voxicles@reddit
Even without pedaling, I’m sure riding an e-bike requires more effort than driving a car. So in theory it’s still burning more calories.
Exciting_Station_124@reddit (OP)
What about the energy to make the battery?
And what about energy didn't pet ride?
Temporary-Film-7374@reddit
wut
stealstea@reddit
Read the paper. Yes it’s old but the math is probably very similar today
avo_cado@reddit
They spend 2/11 pages on that, you should have clicked the link lol
Fit_Touch_4803@reddit
lol, just sharing, rode my e-bike all summer thought I was getting stronger,, will it was wet outside, did not want to get the ebike wet, rode on the old school bike. lol my legs were not stronger from riding the ebike , but it did get me outside more often riding the ebike.
thishasntbeeneasy@reddit
Depends on how you use it. I commute a bit more frequently because of the ebike, and then have more effort on the difficult group rides where I'm on the regular bikes.
scots@reddit
Lower the Assist level down from 5 to 4, broseph ; ] Do that for a month. Then lower it to 3 for a month.
The problem isn't the eBike, it's that most human beings are lazy by nature and the second we have a machine capable of doing almost all the work for us, we tend to take the easy way out.
elvid88@reddit
Yeah I ride mine at PAS 2 or 3 (out of 5) and only throttle if I’m starting from a stop on a hill. My Garmin tells me I’m still burning ~350cal on my ~6 mile ride.
scots@reddit
This is the way !
Laserdollarz@reddit
I went the other way. I've been commuting on ebikes for years. I built up an old 90s bikes earlier this year for fun and I'm fast as fuck boiiii
OhDavidMyNacho@reddit
Same here. Love me Ebike for the sections of my commute that put me into roads.
But when I can take out my 20# bike? Oh hell yeah. Makes me feel like I'm riding the clouds. Zip through everything!
WumboTactical@reddit
I’m not faster but it’s because my riding is 90% throttle 10% my input and I’m honest about those numbers lol. I just look at it like a beach cruiser that goes 28mph instead of 4, I ain’t pedaling hard lol
ava1ar@reddit
Good ebike is pretty water resistant - I rode around 10k miles on mine and got into pretty bad storms multiple times.
scots@reddit
I commute on mine, often in the rain, and I ride year round in the Midwest only garaging it if there is snow or ice on the road. If its' 33 degrees or warmer and the streets are clear, I ride.
My eBike pulled me out of a few years of long covid symptoms. Charge it, ride it, live it.
QuillsROptional@reddit
You were getting more fit on an ebike than you would be driving your car. (At least if it was a real ebike and not an electric motorcycle)
Charli3q@reddit
I think your legs do condition, regardless. We are new to ebikes this weekend. Toward the end of our trip, i was noticing I was most comfortable at about 17mph on the Abound LR.
I feel like better conditioning will see me push that number up, especially longer into the trip.
This is with torque sensor, of course.
well-filibuster@reddit
Both are better than cars.
SmithKenichi@reddit
Well there it is... The dumbest posts I'll come across on Reddit today.
Adventureadverts@reddit
It’s 70% more efficient in terms of resources used
Although a vegan on a bike might be better
throwhooawayyfoe@reddit
I did the math myself a couple years ago using numbers for my life (measured e-bike range on throttle only, full charge Wh consumption measured while charging, my local power grid CO2 production per kWh, etc) and manufacturer estimates of production carbon emissions. Personally I have to work hard to maintain weight and consciously eat more when I lose it, so for me calorie consumption is actually zero sum.
That math showed my ebike on my grid was an order of magnitude more emissions-efficient per mile than an acoustic bike powered by an avg omnivore diet, and still something like 3x more than the avg vegan diet.
Once the increased manufacturing emissions for an ebike were taken into account it just changed the break even point: mine was something like 1k miles for omnivore (after which ebike is better than acoustic), 3k miles for vegan.
But really all of that math only compares ebike directly with acoustic, not miles traveled across all modes. I put far more miles on my ebike than I did on my acoustic, and many of those miles would have been in a car. As soon as you consider that factor, there’s no question of the emissions benefits of e-bikes.
porktornado77@reddit
Damn, you earned my vote
avo_cado@reddit
E-bikes are the most efficient form of personal transportation on the planet.
porktornado77@reddit
For humans, right?
avo_cado@reddit
No, overall. Electric motors are very efficient.
smoothloam@reddit
Not in real life. This assumes people are actually eating what they need for energy, not what they want. Generally people are not eating less because they’re going less work.
AmpEater@reddit
Bikes aren’t the post efficient transportation. Are you kidding?
You need to verify things before accepting them as true
An electric train will go 1000x further per dollar of fuel.
Tires are high rolling resistance. Humans have dogshit efficiency
$1 in food will get you 15 miles on an Ebike
$1 in electricity 166 miles on Ebike
$1 in electricity 300 miles+ on a bike sized rail car
Temporary-Film-7374@reddit
where can I find a bike sized rail car? where can I operate it?
Exciting_Station_124@reddit (OP)
How much does it cost to built a train compare to a bicycle. Over all efficiency including per ride and cost of material and knowledge, bicycle is most efficient
porktornado77@reddit
I like your follow up argument.
It really depends on your boundary conditions if something is more efficient than something else.
pfhlick@reddit
Love when people compare the food a cyclist eats to the coal burning in a power plant. Don't forget about all the food that all the people building and operating the trains eat, and all the food the passengers eat while they're riding the trains, that's energy too.
Usual-Mango7775@reddit
Remember when you were a kid and the best part of a bike ride is when you didn’t have to pedal cause you were going down a hill. Picture that but ADL 😎
Laserdollarz@reddit
I can't charge my ebike with a $1.50 costco hot dog and soda combo
AmpEater@reddit
That hot dog contains 200 calories? A human will turn that into 20 to 40 caliries of productive work.
Thats 20 to 40wh
$1.50 in electricity is 7500 Wh
Humans are basically the most expensive machine possible
Laserdollarz@reddit
I'll pick up some gummy bears and a 6 pack of beer around mile 40, I'll be fine
porktornado77@reddit
And you’re gonna have a heck of a lot more fun
David_Buzzard@reddit
IMHO - e-bikes make up for the minuscule amount of electrical energy they use by making it more likely that someone might use one to replace a car for daily commuting. on an e-bike, someone who might not be in peak physical condition, can commute 10-20km's, work all day, then commute back the 10-20km's.
mesoloco@reddit
E-bikes are a great form of transportation, especially if you’re disabled. I’m almost 70 and it’s really nice to be able to ride a bike again. 🙂
Relative-Display-676@reddit
op, your comments aren't making sense. write in your native language and let auto translate do it's thing.
Exciting_Station_124@reddit (OP)
Sorry. Swipe to type getting worse with every AI update.
BWWFC@reddit
lol wtf kind of question is this?? do you pedal to exhaustion with a torque sensor, set to the lower/est settings?
Exciting_Station_124@reddit (OP)
I'm considering Total energy didn't. Electricity and physiological
BWWFC@reddit
still wtf kind of question is this? you physiological efforts be damned. power from the grid is a known, it's "charging" into a battery has inefficiencies, as does the storage just sitting there and ALSO retrieval and conversion to motion. lots of waste.
use of power overall less efficient, then using a battery for/with whatever distance. more so, and the extra weight is a hammer on psycology... er... physiological. so all negative to "total efficiency."
MonzellRS@reddit
E-bike is more efficient than a bicycle if you put the energy used to charge it vs the food used to recharge the bicyclist
Ur-in-a-tor@reddit
I remember reading that in total an ebike is more efficient than a regular bicycle. It sure feels like it on my lightweight ride.
criggie_@reddit
I had an early ebike, was a hilltopper kit added to a MTB. It got me in the habit, but did almost nothing for fitness.
Also it didn't "look" fast to a motorist so more than once, I got in a close call becuase a car pulled out AFTER seeing me approach and underestimating my speed. Probably less of an issue now, but this was \~10 years ago.
jnyc777@reddit
I’d agree less efficient than static bike, but way more fun than a metal box
Exciting_Station_124@reddit (OP)
I'm considering Total energy didn't. Electricity and physiological