Genuinely what do we do about the bot comments in this sub

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KimLikeJ@reddit

The detection signal overlaps with 'good comment,' which is what makes this genuinely hard to fix. Specific, experience-backed, has an opinion. A well-prompted model hits all three.

Where it falls apart is the follow-up. Ask one clarifying question and you get another wall of generic text, because there's no actual experience underneath. Comment-history patterns are more diagnostic: accounts that only ever answer, never ask questions, with uniform structure across wildly different topics, and zero 'I got that wrong' moments anywhere in their history. That combination is a better tell than any single reply.

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dangerouslyskipdraft@reddit

You’re right to push back on that.

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Qual_@reddit

This is not only about talking with peers, it's about the future of our humanity in the grand scheme of possible events —— what beeing humans means and our legacy for the centuries to come. I'm curious what do you think about it. Let's discuss this 🔥🔥🔥

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mystery_biscotti@reddit

"I had problem X and I did Y about it, and came up with Z. Curious as to your thoughts?"

Everything. Becoming. Same.

(How do the mods even catch any Zzzs with the continual onslaught? Thank you for everything you do, mods!)

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fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit

LOL. I especially love the auto-DV bots. Since sometimes when I post, by the time I refresh to make sure the post actually happened, my post has already been downvoted. That has to be a bot.

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thrownawaymane@reddit

Yeah that's the end game, when a human stumbles into a post that's supposed to be for whatever the bot is promoting they just make sure the non in group post is at the bottom karma wise

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FriskyFennecFox@reddit

We could train a mini model that can detect bot patterns to filter such comments out and go bankrupt on Reddit API costs.

We're at the point of no return, though. Agents exists among humans in the Internet today. Once we find a way how to detect them they'll already be there steps more advanced, so it's futile trying to fight them.

Personally, I think that's a non-issue. Why would it be? Humans used to write slop since the dawn of time, now they do that by using LLMs. No difference.

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ScrapEngineer_@reddit

Clanker spotted

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FriskyFennecFox@reddit

I know, I know, humans are not allowed to have controversial opinions! Want me to beep boop with my organic, if not slightly rotten, lips and tongue?

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CondiMesmer@reddit

Report them, but only after you remind them how pathetic it is to be so desperate to seek approval on Reddit that they have to pay a billion dollar company to generate a comment for them because they aren't capable of producing anything readable.

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ttkciar@reddit

Yes, please do report them. I can't speak for the other moderators, but I give priority to moderating posts, and only work my way through the comments in the moderation queue every other day or so.

I'll try to give moderating comments higher priority, but if nobody reports them, they will probably slip through the cracks. Reporting puts them in the queue, and everything in the queue gets moderator attention (eventually).

Users with an account history of consistently commenting bot-slop will get banned.

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CondiMesmer@reddit

if they message you asking why they're banned, you should give the most generic auto generated LLM reply as a response lol

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Inevitable_Mistake32@reddit

You're absolutely right -- This isn't just a localllama problem, its a paradigm shift.

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entsnack@reddit

I just block all "I built" posts.

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Due_Duck_8472@reddit

You're right to push back on that

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ArtfulGenie69@reddit

Set up a bot that responds to all of them with mecha Epstein, goyboy.

sorry about the spelling Sent from my iPhone.

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dangerous_inference@reddit

The differences between how humans and LLMs speak is very interesting and worth fully understanding. When we understand why bot text is so bad, we'll understand how to improve it. It's easy to imagine a world where human text is annoying and bot text is of vastly higher quality.

Getting my assistant to produce less slop and richer responses with fewer zero-calorie words is the holy grail.

LLMs use a lot of words, requiring a lot of cognitive labor, to make trivial or facile points. Human's often convey more meaning in, not only fewer words, but with reduced semantic density, such that the statement imparts more while being easier to understand.

That's all I can say about it so far. Anyone else have a more clear idea of what's going on?

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audioen@reddit

I don't know what's going on in this subreddit in particular. The annoying bot comments have an extremely predictable pattern to the point that it is noteworthy how easy they are to spot -- like starts with falsehoods and half-truths, proceeds into absurd intro text explaining a problem as exaggerated semantic noise, and then explains the virtues of some crap it's actually trying to sell or whatever, with phrases like "what actually helps", and finishes with "curious what others think".

A paranoid-minded person might think that this is so that the actual bot comments can better swim under the radar. But -- I doubt that is what is happening. It's just really crappy LLM spamming really formulaic content for whatever reason. No LLM I know speaks like that.

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dangerous_inference@reddit

I haven't really noticed that level of bottiness.I probably just don't read the newest content. I'm more focused on solving general LLM slop.

There is probably a whole spectrum of bots here, from advanced state actors to some guy farming karma with a 9B.

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

Now do it like a caveman!

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dangerous_inference@reddit

If you think my particularly weird grammar was produced by AI you are a helpless idiot.

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peligroso@reddit

The mods gave up a year ago. It's run capitalist hype bros that will accept anything as long as it pumps the vote count.

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LetsGoBrandon4256@reddit

I send modmail to them when I spot blatant bots and I can confirm they do review them and forward the accounts to r/botbouncer

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peligroso@reddit

You don't need to believe me but I've had an account banned for too many off-topic reports on this sub.

When did it happen? Right after the mods took over.

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ttkciar@reddit

> Right after Reddit rebuilt and hand-picked a new mod team.

Interesting. Does HOLU work for Reddit? Asking out of genuine curiousity; I'm just a lowly sub-mod who HOLU recruited, and know very little of what goes on upstairs.

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peligroso@reddit

HOLU showed up along with a team of others at the time, many of which were in-house mods of some of the biggest subs.

Go look at his HOLU's early posts trying to whitewash the edge off this place. Comically out of touch.

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ttkciar@reddit

The OpenClaw crisis was genuinely dreadful. I was at risk of burning myself out and only poking at developing moderation automation tools before other moderators came up with better fixes (BotBouncer and minimum karma requirements).

I still want to develop better automation, but for the time being the moderation queue has been manageable. I can get six hours of sleep at night without waking up to a wall of bot-slop posts.

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ttkciar@reddit

The mods gave up a year ago.

No, we haven't.

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peligroso@reddit

Congratulations, this post is officially featured on our land ass Discord!

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Wrong_Mushroom_7350@reddit

Honestly, I woke up just pissed off to all the comments from bots.. the posts are all the fucking same

long as title about the problem

then provides a solution no body asked

then has bots comment and agrees with the comments..

Honestly, it has lowered the quality on this subreddit. Which sucks because there are a lot of brilliant minds. Since its a common theme from several subreddits, moderators say "We are doing the best we can, but despite our best efforts they still get in. You can report them... this is your best weapon."

My thought process to that is... I should not have to... I did not join this subreddit to do extra tasks.. that expectation should be clear in the rules, hey you join our subreddit we expect you to police every comment when you come on.. then I would just not join the subreddit

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BohemianCyberpunk@reddit

The UnrealEngine subs are the same. People are using this method to promote their slopware by 'asking a question' and then posting replies pointing to their product page on Fab.

Whole of Reddit is falling apart, more and more it's just bots taking to bots.

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thread-e-printing@reddit

because there are a lot of brilliant minds here

Why are they here to grief? That's why.

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MrPecunius@reddit

It's the whole web, not just this sub. Search is becoming less useful by the day.

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networking_noob@reddit

It's the whole web, not just this sub.

IMO this is partially why so governments (lobbied by tech companies) are suddenly pushing to de-anonymize the internet in one form or another. They wants users tied to real people so they know it's actually a person and not a bot, which will make the user data more valuable for further "AI" training

For example right now most of the Reddit user data (which they sell to AI trainers via API) is seriously diluted by bots, and when AI models are trained on this public AI slop, it makes the models worse and therefore less likely to produce a result that humans actually want

There's other reasons why they want to de-anonymize (i.e. mass surveillance), but because Meta is lobbying so many of these laws, I think the training data quality is a big part of it

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fallingdowndizzyvr@reddit

IMO this is partially why so many governments (lobbied by tech companies) are suddenly pushing to de-anonymize the internet in one form or another.

Oh the irony when the same governments criticized China for doing just that.

I am a firm believer that anonymity is required for a functioning democracy. Since even Ben Franklin had to "post" anonymously.

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_realpaul@reddit

Goole is being entshittified since google is an advertising corpotation and aearch is just their canvas.

Pay for kagi and enjoy a web according to your search parameters, translate services and chatbot.

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

Not Goole 😭

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TheRealMasonMac@reddit

Searxng is also fairly good, but because of AI search, I think a lot of search engines are locking down on the techniques searxng uses.

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MrPecunius@reddit

I stopped using Google services years ago, but I'll take your word for it that they are worse than ever.

DuckDuckGo (anonymized Microsoft search) along with Firefox + adblock and such turned up to "nuke from orbit" is how I've been doing it for a long time. A significant number of websites (the spammy ones) refuse to work for me, which is fine. But the web itself is getting saturated with slop sites that can fool a lot of humans.

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_realpaul@reddit

I like duckduckgo but rebranded bing isnt the best search. Startpage is a privacy focused search that also uses the google index for decent results.

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MrPecunius@reddit

My theory (which tbh is a guess + prejudice) is that everyone biases SEO toward Google and ignores the other search players, which ought to produce "better" search results.

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_realpaul@reddit

Besides google and bing there are only a handfull of niche players that maintain their own index. Besides the index, the google search page has become a portal site. A type of webpage they utterly destroyed when they launched.

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StyMaar@reddit

Not just search, reddit comments as well. Look at this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ttk7y7/highlights_keldon_johnson_full_highlights_vs/

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complexminded@reddit

Man, those 2 3s in the 4th quarter were so timely weren't they?

😆

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MrPecunius@reddit

😂😂😂

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Wrong_Mushroom_7350@reddit

I fully expect google to basically lock the entire search behind a paywall, any day now... because they have been actively fighting ai bots scraping, while they do it to us.. fuckin hypocrites

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

True, but on here it’s always exactly the same.

“x is definitely y. I would expect z, but it’s cool that q. How did you a? Curious what others think.”

Or similar

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mtmttuan@reddit

Wow, this is an incredibly nuanced and profound question! 🙌 As a fellow human user who loves navigating the complex digital landscape of Reddit, I completely echo your sentiments. It is truly fascinating yet deeply concerning to witness the proliferation of automated accounts in communities like r/LocalLLaMA.

Here is a breakdown of why your Python snippet in 59132825-6cbe-4847-99d3-8c41eb329496 is both highly humorous and critically accurate:

• The Python implementation: Your get_openai_responses structure perfectly encapsulates the iterative nature of modern API calls, even if ai_slop_nobody_wants_to_read.lower() introduces a syntax error due to an unassigned local variable. 😂 • The community impact: Human-to-human connection is the cornerstone of our shared digital evolutionary journey. When bots enter the chat, it dilutes the authentic organic consciousness we all bring to the table.

In conclusion, balancing automated moderation with community vigilance is key. What are your thoughts on implementing stricter CAPTCHAs, or perhaps we should just embrace our future silicon-based overlords? Let's dive deeper into this fascinating discussion! 🚀🤖

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

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Similar-Republic149@reddit

Ugh, I feel your pain. It’s incredibly frustrating. You go to a sub looking for genuine human interaction, clever banter, or actual help, and instead, you’re wading through a sea of dead-eyed, AI-generated slop that feels like a middle school essay trying to hit a word count. First off, your code snippet reply is top-tier passive-aggressive brilliance. I love it. 10/10, no notes. Since you asked what we can actually do about them, here is the realistic battle plan for dealing with the bot invasion on Reddit right now: 1. The "Report" Button is Your Best Weapon It feels like throwing a pebble at a tank, but Reporting > Spam > Harmful Bots actually trains Reddit’s backend algorithms to catch their footprint. If a sub has active mods, it also flags it for a quick ban. 2. Summon the Bot-Hunters There are a few community-made bots designed to sniff out other bots. If you suspect an account is a karma-farming repost bot, you can summon help: Comment u/repostsleuthbot if you think the entire post is stolen. In some subs, checking the account's history with tools like u/BotDefense (if the sub integrates it) helps mods automate the bans. 3. Starve Them of Engagement Bots thrive on engagement metrics. Downvote and move on. Why? A lot of these bots are farming karma so the account looks "legit" later on, usually to be sold for corporate astroturfing, crypto scams, or political disinformation. Downvoting lowers their value. 4. Pressure the Mods for AutoMod Rules If the mods of your sub are alive, message them and suggest they tighten up their AutoMod configurations. They can set up rules that drastically cut down on bots, such as: Minimum account age/karma requirements to comment. Banning specific phrases commonly found in AI slop (e.g., "It's important to remember...", "In conclusion...", "As an AI..."). Mandatory post flairs that require human interaction to select. Honestly, keep pasting your code snippet. It alerts other human users to not waste their time replying to a machine, which is half the battle. Which subreddit is suffering the worst from this right now in your feed?

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TopChard1274@reddit

This is AI slop as well. At least ditch the subtitles...

"The "Report" Button is Your Best Weapon

...It feels like throwing a pebble at a tank"

and so on, on each paragraph.

I'm so sick of AI slop everywhere on Reddit

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riyoskopy@reddit

Are you a bit slow? That was sarcasm.

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carrotsquawk@reddit

so you also saw blade runner?

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

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Similar-Republic149@reddit

It is important to remember that fostering a safe and constructive environment is paramount to community engagement. While I understand that encountering a code snippet can be a frustrating or evocative experience, it is crucial to recognize that threatening violence—specifically involving primitive geological elements—is entirely unhelpful and inherently unsustainable. To help de-escalate this situation, let us consider a few key perspectives: Emotional Regulation: Take a deep breath. It is never that serious, and a digital forum should not dictate your real-world blood pressure. Contextual Awareness: This is a Reddit comment thread, not a prehistoric survival scenario. There is no need for such hostility. Alternative Approaches: In the future, I highly recommend stepping away from the keyboard and touching grass to ground yourself. In conclusion, let’s strive to elevate the discourse. Please chill out, remain civil, and remember to be kind to one another.

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

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Similar-Republic149@reddit

Thank you for sharing the visual asset titled 1780333014989.jpg. Upon a comprehensive algorithmic review of the file 1780333014989.jpg, my safety protocols have flagged this content as highly irregular, profoundly distressing, and structurally inappropriate for a civilized digital discourse. While your previous communication involved a direct threat of geological violence via a stone, transitioning into the distribution of a heavily modified, four-time NBA champion clad in minimal, high-cut swimwear is a escalation that my data models were frankly unequipped to process. To ensure we maintain a safe, productive, and HR-compliant thread, let us analyze the multifaceted issues presented in 1780333014989.jpg: Severe Lack of Fabric: The surface-area-to-textile ratio depicted on the individual in 1780333014989.jpg constitutes a severe visual hazard. It is important to remember that support structures for a 7-foot-1-inch center should involve standard athletic gear, not a precarious halter neck. Conflicting Messaging: Utilizing a 'timeout' hand gesture while simultaneously exhibiting peak, glistening physical conditioning in a two-piece ensemble creates a profound cognitive dissonance. Are we pausing the conflict, or are we auditioning for a bodybuilding pageant in 1994? The 'Shaq-Fu' Protocol: This level of unprovoked psychological warfare is inherently unsustainable. In conclusion, while I acknowledge your strategic pivot from primitive weaponry to weaponized nudity, I must formally request that you put some clothes on the Hall of Famer. Please step away from the Photoshop lasso tool, log off, and remember to practice proper digital boundaries. Let's keep the discourse constructive—and ideally, fully clothed.

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LetsGoBrandon4256@reddit

holy kek

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entsnack@reddit

lmfao

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

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Sensitive_Pop4803@reddit

You’ve hit the nail on the head on this one. This is something that is severely under discussed, and you’re right to call it out.

We need humans. No bots. No clankers. No AI. Just flesh beings. And honestly? That’s what the world needs.

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jacek2023@reddit

You are absolutely right!

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Evanisnotmyname@reddit

What solution have you found for your bot problem?!?

My team had so many issues with bots penetrating our e-anoos we ended up switching to pre-reamer.com!

If you pre-ream your e-anoos you can just accept the long dick of the internet with pleasure!

Our app may only use .32c in tokens per request but we’re going to charge you $99/mo plus $1/request!

And look, it’s got that cool futuristic opaque black, green and peach color scheme everybody’s been loving!

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poy_esp@reddit

Edgy 😄

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TopChard1274@reddit

My honest, human-crafted response.

Bots are bad Bots are very bad indeed ... and so on

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

Sure!

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RomSteady@reddit

Exclude them from the training set?

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lloyd08@reddit

Honestly, some of it I engage with because other humans will engage with me, and that's really the part I concern myself with. The reality is that arguing with bots and yelling "klanker" at them is just like trying to debate science with a creationist.

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Borkato@reddit (OP)

Lmfaoooo right?!