“Since Sitting Bull” saying?

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No-Interview319@reddit

I don’t think I’ve heard that used in the Midwest.

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likesblackcoffeebest@reddit

Same, I've been southern all my life and this thread is my first time hearing that saying.

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ChampionshipBetter91@reddit

Same here. What I've heard is, "since God was a boy."

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Unlikely-Low-8132@reddit

We say since Hector was a pup- don't know who the hell Hector is/was.

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UBIK_707@reddit

My dad says this (since Hector was a pup), but this is the first time I have ever seen or heard the expression elsewhere. Supposedly, because I had to look it up:

The expression came about it the early 1900s, Hector being a popular dog name at the time...."the name being borrowed from the name of the hero of the Trojan War, the son of Priam and Hecuba, who became a symbol of the consummate warrior...According to Euripides, in later life Hecuba was turned into a dog for blinding Polymestor, the murderer of her son Polydorus, so you might consider Hector to have been a literal pup, perhaps even the original son of a bitch...."

Apparently, "since Hector was dead' is an expression that predates this. I guess next time I talk to my dad I flaunt my newfound knowledge of all things Hector.

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Unlikely-Low-8132@reddit

Well thank you for the lesson on this saying.

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BilingSmob444@reddit

Reference to the Trojan War

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ComesInAnOldBox@reddit

"Christ was a Corporal" in military families.

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IntroductionFluffy71@reddit

me Ma says “when Moses was a boy.” 🤣

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Personal-Raspberry-2@reddit

I’ve lived in the south and the plains (Army brat) all my life and I’ve never heard that saying.

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JadedDreams23@reddit

Same.

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Scott72901@reddit

Same here.

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paradisetossed7@reddit

I've lived in Florida and the northeast and never heard it either.

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Outrageous-Pin-4664@reddit

Me neither.

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Hey-Just-Saying@reddit

I've never heard it at all and I'm retired.

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AnyLastWordsDoodle@reddit

Same same

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alteregobobby@reddit

Same

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Megalocerus@reddit

Haven't heard that (Northeast.) Have heard "since Hector was a pup", but not sure where that came from.

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quadriceritops@reddit

“Since Jesus lost his sandals”. Only heard it one, but it made me laugh.

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MakeStupidHurtAgain@reddit

My relatives used that to describe a place in the middle of nowhere. “I found a good deal on fencing wire but he’s out where Jesus lost his sandals.”

Also heard it as Moses being the careless chancla wearer, because blasphemy.

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quadriceritops@reddit

I think you’re right. It was a where thing, not a when thing. Huh.

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Megalocerus@reddit

Evidently, 1906 newspapers used that, and it was kind of a combination of Greek myth and use of Hector for a dog's name.

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mickeltee@reddit

I’m also Midwest and my parents would say one of two, “since Christ left Pittsburgh” or “since Christ left Cleveland.”

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bunrakoo@reddit

Don't know that one, but my grandfather used to say "since the Dead Sea was just sick."

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Glittering-Rush-394@reddit

Lol

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NekoArtemis@reddit

Californian with a Southern best friend and New England family. Never heard this in my life.

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Otherwise-Medium1364@reddit

North East. Nope

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brenawyn@reddit

I grew up in South Dakota and never heard that.

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PabloPicasshooole@reddit

Never heard it out West, either, but if I did, it would probably be racist

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DawaLhamo@reddit

I have not ever heard that phrase either.

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theresuscitator@reddit

Midwesterner here... Never heard it

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Rud1st@reddit

Why would it be a southern thing? Sitting Bull was from the Dakota territory

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PrimaryHighlight5617@reddit

Thank you. I was going to say this. It's a shame how little we learn about native history in the US. More than half our states have indigenous origins and we fought wars against and alongside them for over 500 years.

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martlet1@reddit

Oh we used to know a lot. Now schools don’t want to offend anyone so they don’t teach that anymore.

When I was in school we learned about how the big Indian wars shaped the plains and how rhe different tribes assimilated mostly and didn’t go to reservations. People think millions of people died on the trial of tears. But that isn’t true.

I studied Mississippian Indians for 6 years and spent a lot of time at Cahokia mounds before Illinois fucked up the place.

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SeamusPM1@reddit

“More than half our states have indigenous origins”? I mean, sure. 100% is more than 50%.

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PrimaryHighlight5617@reddit

*state names. Sorry lol

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NilocKhan@reddit

I'm assuming they meant the names of the states. Obviously all of the United States was indigenous land

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SeamusPM1@reddit

That makes more sense. I guess I read it too literally.

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NoNeedForAName@reddit

Even if this were a Southern thing, what in the world does that have to do with education? Can idioms only relate to the place where you live? Romans probably don't say, "When in Rome...", the Dutch don't "go Dutch", and in Mexico it's just a regular standoff (lol). That doesn't mean Americans who use those idioms think that Romans, Mexicans, and the Dutch are all American.

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CrapThatSmilesBack@reddit

I’m geographically challenged but seeing ‘sitting bull’ instantly conjured up Wyoming region for me. California raised.

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sitewolf@reddit

born on Standing Rock in South Dakota

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WstCstWatches@reddit

He died at Standing Rock. I believe he was born in what is now Montana.

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sitewolf@reddit

I stand corrected, yes....was Dakota Territory at the time, but on the Yellowstone River near Miles City, MT was where he was born.

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rygdav@reddit

So Sitting Bull was born on Standing Rock? Kinda funny to think about

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Miserable-Coast4865@reddit

Not too far off, western south Dakotah and eastern Wyoming are pretty similar.

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Puzzled_Employment50@reddit

The last sentence of OP’s post is why I also might have assumed Southern. Which is a prejudiced opinion on my behalf in and of itself, tbf.

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ATLien_3000@reddit

I wouldn't say prejudiced. I'd say ignorant of the rest of the country.

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Puzzled_Employment50@reddit

That’s kind of what prejudice is, making a judgment before being fully/adequately aware of the real situation, based on suppositions and stereotypes. And I am aware of much of the country, including the South, it’s still just a knee-jerk reaction that anything that smells of racism has, in my mind, a quick and easy association with the South, but then I do my best to stop and consider. Not everyone down there is racist, and not every racist is down there, after all.

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Nemophilista@reddit

I was raised in the Dakotas. Also never heard of it.

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EmmalouEsq@reddit

Same!

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BjornAltenburg@reddit

Same.

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machagogo@reddit

Am 52. Originally from NYC, last 30 in NJ.

I have never heard this phrase.

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sean8877@reddit

Never heard it

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biggreasyrhinos@reddit

I've never heard that in my life in Texas/Louisiana

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tupelobound@reddit

This doesn’t even come up in quick Google searches as a saying. Is this something you’re trying to coin? Or did you hear or read it somewhere?

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tovarella7@reddit (OP)

It’s in a line of dialogue in a play written in the 1980s and set in 1940s Missouri

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mac6uffin@reddit

Is this a phrase or is the character explicitly referencing that time for a reason?

Cuz it's not a phrase.

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304libco@reddit

What play?

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RhinoGuy13@reddit

Missouri is not considered a southern state.

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big_sugi@reddit

Missouri is a border state, so it’s got parts of both.

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DawaLhamo@reddit

The Bootheel is, lol.

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VictorianPeorian@reddit

But it was a slave state.

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VictorianPeorian@reddit

For curiosity's sake, can you give us the full sentence it's used in, and maybe the line before it, if it's contextually relevant? I'm imagining it being used as a point in time reference, kind of like when people say something is the best thing "since (the invention of) sliced bread."

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DawaLhamo@reddit

Well, this Missourian has never heard it. Born in '83 - lived here my whole life in various towns/cities around the state. Anyone I know who lived here in the 1940s is already dead, though, so I can't ask them. Could be that it was a saying long ago, could be that it was invented for the play.

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Help1Ted@reddit

Could be more of a generational thing and not necessarily a southern thing. Missouri is also one of those weird states where the entire state isn’t considered to have the same regional culture.

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Lexie_Acquara@reddit

Are you sure it’s really an expression? Or something literal to the context of that particular play? If it’s meant literally, it may not be racist. But hard to know with no context. it certainly doesn’t sound like an “expression.”

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Big-Dig-Pig@reddit

Seems like a one-off phrase. An American might say “since [historical event]” to make a point. For example: “The Detroit Lions haven’t been good since the Eisenhower administration.”

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kiwipixi42@reddit

Yeah, that isn’t a saying. The playwright came up with it.

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StellarStylee@reddit

If they’re trying to coin it, i don’t think they’ll get very far. The thought of doing that is funny though.

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tupelobound@reddit

AI scrapes Reddit for info and presents it authoritatively even when wrong, I’ve seen people try to game this

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Silocin20@reddit

Never heard this in the Southwest.

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LvBorzoi@reddit

Never heard that here in the south...more likely is "since God was a child"

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SpaceFroggy1031@reddit

I have never heard a fellow American use this phrase. Sounds like a line from a western.

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Manatee369@reddit

I’ve never heard it. I’m a southerner but have lived all over.

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taranathesmurf@reddit

Pacific Northwest here I have never heard that phrase

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Glittering-Rush-394@reddit

SoCal, nope never heard of it. I personally say when dinosaurs roamed.

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pawsplay36@reddit

I've never heard it and it doesn't make sense. There are photos of him.

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tovarella7@reddit (OP)

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/chief-sitting-bull

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pawsplay36@reddit

You might as well say, "Since Dr. Pepper."

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samceefoo@reddit

Live in the South and have Never heard that phrase

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tovarella7@reddit (OP)

Happy cake day!

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WarrenMulaney@reddit

I’m 58 and never heard that

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KJHagen@reddit

I don’t recognize that statement.

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MRSRN65@reddit

Never heard it in Virginia or Maine. Maybe it's very local?

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knowlessman@reddit

I have never heard anyone say that, and I can't imagine a scenario where I would outside of a history lecture. And i've spent time most parts of North America.

It sounds like something a writer would add to dialog to make it sound colorful.

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tovarella7@reddit (OP)

I think that’s exactly what is was. I read it in a script

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_Moonah@reddit

Never heard that.

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Perdendosi@reddit

What a weird phrase.

Sitting Bull was a chief in the midwest and great plains areas, and I've lived all over that region and have never heard this expression.

He also died in 1890, which is really not that long ago to use for a phrase meaning time immemorial.

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rrsafety@reddit

None of those are racist.

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likesblackcoffeebest@reddit

Yeah the equivalent phrase I've head is "older than Methuselah" which makes a lot more sense.

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No-Kaleidoscope-166@reddit

I used to hear "older than Grandma Moses" when I was a kid. Wasn't til I was in my 30's at least til I learned she was a real person. Lol. I think.

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RandomPaw@reddit

“Since sliced bread” is what I know. Mostly in “the greatest thing since sliced bread.”

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marty-mcfryguy@reddit

But that doesn't mean a long time or as long as I can remember.

It means a wonderful, modern invention (though often used ironically).

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big_sugi@reddit

Which always brings up the comment that Betty White was older than sliced bread.

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NekoArtemis@reddit

He also died in 1890, which is really not that long ago to use for a phrase meaning time immemorial.

That's like the year my great grandfather was born.

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marty-mcfryguy@reddit

Nice.

"We've been here since Sitting Bull was a calf" is a gray turn of phrase.

But yeah, I've been around a while and in a lot of places, and of that was ever a common turn of phrase I'm guessing it was with a pretty narrow slice of the population.

And of course dropping the "was a calf" makes it incomprehensible unless you're really familiar with the original.

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KrazySunshine@reddit

I’ve never heard this. I’m in the Northeast

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SeamusPM1@reddit

I don’t believe anyone says this.

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Aware_Acanthaceae_78@reddit

That sounds like a Western thing to say.

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Showdown5618@reddit

Texan here. Never heard this saying before.

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pikkdogs@reddit

Never heard of it, and love not too far from where Sitting Bull did.

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judijo621@reddit

Where did you hear it?

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dadsgoingtoprison@reddit

I’ve never heard that. I’m in the Deep South.

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Sabrinasockz@reddit

From sw Virginia. Never heard it in my life 🤷🏻‍♀️

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kbell58@reddit

This is not a saying in the southern US.

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Prudent_Passenger296@reddit

From Texas (family from east Texas) and I’ve never heard it.

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Millkstake@reddit

I don't think anyone other than OP has heard this saying

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xx-rapunzel-xx@reddit

never heard of this

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SufficientComedian6@reddit

Never heard that before.

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Prechrchet@reddit

Grew up in Deep South. Never heard that phrase before.

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wehadthebabyitsaboy@reddit

I’ve never heard that before in my life. New England.

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Suppafly@reddit

I don't think this is a common saying, but one that someone probably used to indicate a long length of time. Seems like something a native would say, perhaps to indicate oppression, like "we've been putting up with this nonsense since Sitting Bull was around."

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agate_@reddit

OP didn’t provide context so maybe this is part of a specific comparison rather than a general saying. Like “The greatest threat to American generals since Sitting Bull.”

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btnzgb@reddit

I’ve never heard anyone say “since Sitting Bull” but I would guess you are correct and it refers to something being a long time ago. Sitting Bull was a real person and Native American leader in the 1800s.

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WhichWitch9402@reddit

I’ve lived all over the US, and I’m old too. I’ve never heard that phrase nor read it either.

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Minzplaying@reddit

I've never heard it in the South where I live.

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_PsychoLlama_@reddit

Lived in the Southeast for 40 years, now in the Northeast for the past 20 years; never heard anyone say this.

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Prestigious-Dog-2150@reddit

Where did you hear that? I've lived in the South all my life and never heard it.

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Sick-Happens@reddit

I am from Georgia and have never heard anything even similar to that.

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CG20370417@reddit

Ive never heard it, Ive lived in 11 states.

But, I would immediately recognize within context what it was trying to convey.

Generally, when white folks are trying to be racist towards Native Americans...they don't invoke the Indians who were most symbolic of resistance to Manifest Destiny.

That said, outside of certain places in the west and south(ern US--Oklahoma ain't really The South or the west, ya know), modern Americans can easily go their entire lives without meeting a native, so for most Americans offensive (if this is one, which I don't really think it is) statements are likely born from ignorance not lived experience.

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mjwsterile@reddit

Since Hector was a pup.

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rojita369@reddit

I’ve never heard anyone say this.

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Constellation-88@reddit

I’ve never heard this in my life.

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gdubh@reddit

I’m from Oklahoma/Colorado and have never heard it in my 50+ years.

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Living_Molasses4719@reddit

Never heard this. Midwesterner.

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Chromatic_Trek@reddit

Never once heard this saying having grown up in the southwest (AZ/CA/NV) nor living elsewhere (WA/ID/MT nor in the SD/IA/MN/NE states)

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Current_Poster@reddit

Never heard that one.

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Itchy_Pangolin_394@reddit

ive never heard this in Minnesota/North Dakota

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Reader124-Logan@reddit

Never heard that one. Did hear about Hector being a pup. 😁

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Gonna_do_this_again@reddit

I've never heard that in my life

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NetDork@reddit

I think that's a saying that has passed out of usage and was probably not super common anyway. I wouldn't think it would be considered directly racist, though.

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SmoovCatto@reddit

never once heard that -- must be a highly localized regional thing

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dh1971@reddit

I'm a southerner, never heard it before

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Unlikely_Strain_744@reddit

Ngl, I'm fairly sure most Americans don't remember Sitting Bull. They learn about him in high school, then promptly forget once they get their test graded.

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marty-mcfryguy@reddit

I've never heard it. What sort of the south?

Would seem to be a weird one for "a long time". I'm struggling to see the connection between the guy who defeated Custer at Little Bighorn and something that means that.

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ToughFriendly9763@reddit

I've never heard this expression

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GrowlingAtTheWorld@reddit

I’ve never heard the saying. But I’ll offer up, “Older than dirt” and “when Moses was a pup”…I’m from the South.

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ljculver64@reddit

Ive never heard it in the south east either, or the north.

Whats the saying?

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Wooden_Airport6331@reddit

In Southern and have never heard this.

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Whybaby16154@reddit

Never heard it - have lived in 6 states

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WiseQuarter3250@reddit

I've lived in various places in the South my whole life, I've never heard this colloquialism.

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_Bon_Vivant_@reddit

Never heard it.

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jvc1011@reddit

I’ve never heard of this, but it’s weird. Sitting Bull didn’t live that long ago, in the scheme of things. He died a few years before my Granny was born, and she was alive into my adulthood.

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Primary_Excuse_7183@reddit

From the south…. Never heard this one.

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Cheap_Coffee@reddit

Never heard it in New England

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fried_clams@reddit

Never heard it in 60+ years, New England and New York

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FireHammer09@reddit

Ive never heard this as a southerner

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Perle1234@reddit

I’ve never heard it. I grew up in Tennessee and have heard a lot of sayings but not that one.

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Ok_Step_2359@reddit

I’m from Michigan. I’ve never heard that even once in my life. And I’m old.

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_Handsome_Jim_@reddit

I've never heard this but, given the context, I'd probably know exactly what they meant.

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Neb-Nose@reddit

Where I grew up, the phrases are
“I haven’t seen him in forever;” or my personal favorite, “I hadn’t seen her since the eighth grade picnic.”

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Ok-Use3940@reddit

I’ve heard sitting duck but not sitting bull

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Xistential0ne@reddit

Maternal GM was part Lenape (Mahican). Born in WI raised in SD. Said it frequently. Born 1915.

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Poltergoose1416@reddit

Never heard that in the north or south east dude

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77sleeper@reddit

Lived all over, never heard it, I prefer "since Christ was a Corporal"

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rjtnrva@reddit

Never heard this and I've lived in multiple states.

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Mr_Noms@reddit

I’ve lived in many areas of the US, including the South. I have never heard this phrase.

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cmcglinchy@reddit

I’ve been in FL since 1980 and have never heard that before.

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JadieBugXD@reddit

I’m from the west coast but have lived in the Midwest for the last 12 years and I have never heard that saying.

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alicat777777@reddit

I have never heard that before.

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MarionberryPlus8474@reddit

Live in the Northeast and went to college in the Midwest, never heard this expression.

“since pilgrim times” or something would be more common.

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Jbirdbears88@reddit

My junior high social studies teacher used to say "I haven't seen you since Moby Dick was a guppy".. Pretty sure he was the only one who used that phrase 🤷‍♂️

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Lost_in_spreadsheets@reddit

I’ve lived in every major region of the lower 48 and never heard that phrase used.

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mmr1969@reddit

Lived in the south my whole life and I've never heard it.

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CalOkie6250@reddit

I have never heard that in my life

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Big_Bowler8424@reddit

I’ve don’t remember that saying, but I do remember the Alamo

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t_huddleston@reddit

I'm from Mississippi, we date everything relative to Sitting Bull.

(just kidding, I've never heard anyone say this in my life. I am from MS though)

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PNW_OlLady_2025@reddit

Have lived on the East Coast and West Coast and have never heard that saying until today.

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Certain_Bit3809@reddit

Never heard that before. Have lived in the NE my whole life.

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Bluemonogi@reddit

I am 51 and grew up in Iowa and have never heard that said in the midwest.

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Sea_Appearance_1640@reddit

26, Michigan. Heard it used very often growing up, but haven't heard it used in conversation in a solid 10 years.

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TravelingGen@reddit

From the south. Never heard it there.

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ShortRasp@reddit

Never ever heard that

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LambNull@reddit

Never heard that growing up in Texas. Never heard it in Chicago.

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Judgy-Introvert@reddit

Never heard anyone say that.

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sonotorian@reddit

U.S. South: I recognize the structure of the saying similar to "since Jesus was a baby", but I've never heard it relating to Sitting Bull.

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Prestigious-Talk1112@reddit

I'm very southern and have never heard this saying. Must be very niche I'm pretty exposed to a lot of historical sayings and I talked to a lot of old people.

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gutclutterminor@reddit

"Since Moses wore short pants": Junior Soprano. I have never heard the Sitting Bull one, and I am old and have lived all over the US.

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Ok-Possibility-9826@reddit

From the East Coast: I was able to discern what you meant because I have surface level knowledge of American History, but other than that, no, I’ve never heard that.

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WorkerAmbitious2072@reddit

I live in the south

Never ever heard that

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SaintJimmy1@reddit

It feels very vaguely familiar, like maybe I’ve heard it once or twice.

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lavasca@reddit

I don’t think I’ve heard this expression.

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Under_A_Full_M00n@reddit

I have lived on the west coast, the Pacific Northwest, The Midwest, the Great plains, the South, and the southwest.

I have never once heard this phrase, ever.

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Rare_Dependent9843@reddit

Did you make this up

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Loisgrand6@reddit

They said they heard it in a play

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Impulse2915@reddit

This is not a common phrase in the United States. Sitting Bull is a known historical figure and The Battle of Little Bighorn is a well known piece of American history, but that is meeting you more than halfway.

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MeltingWind@reddit

I've never heard it in the North East ( New England)

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Kteefish@reddit

I am born and raised Mid Atlantic region. I have heard it, but only rarely and not in a very long time, since I was a child (1970s), so, at least in my experience, it is not a commonly used figure of speech

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Audio-Starshine@reddit

I've lived in Alabama and I've never heard that.

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RodgerRodger8301@reddit

Born and raised in Alabama then moved to Florida ... never heard it before.

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FormerlyDK@reddit

I’ve never heard of it.

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spiritualspatula@reddit

I can’t imagine it being southern since Sitting Bull was Lakota. My state has a decent Lakota population and I’ve never heard somebody say that.

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Ok_Macaroon3872@reddit

No one says this and it is absolutely racist. A majority of the American population couldn’t even tell you who Sitting Bull was.

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burlingk@reddit

I've heard it, but last time was over twenty years ago. \^\^;

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spike31875@reddit

I live in Virginia now (and have lived in DC, MD, CO & WI) & I never heard anyone say that.

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next_chapter_ashore@reddit

I was born in TX. I have lived in VA, WA, CA. I have travelled the USA a lot, but I lived in each of those states, in major cities, for 3+ years.

I have never, ever in my life, heard that saying uttered.

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ThinWhiteRogue@reddit

I'm a southerner and have never heard this expression.

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Prestigious-Comb4280@reddit

I've never heard the reference

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Regular_Boot_3540@reddit

I've never heard it, but I've lived in California my whole life. I think it's funny! I don't see how it could be racist. Sitting Bull was a real person, and it's just a way of saying something's been going on for a long time, or hasn't happened for a long time.

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shwh1963@reddit

I’ve lived in Texas and California, and I’ve never heard of it

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junietwohundred@reddit

I grew up in General Custer’s hometown (in Michigan, but full of southerners from when they moved their jobs up to the Ford plant) and I have never heard this saying.

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Historical_Bath_9854@reddit

From the Midwest, now in TX, never heard it.

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Consistent-Toe1730@reddit

I live in Alabama and have never heard this.

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FerretAcrobatic4379@reddit

I’ve never heard it.

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Sans_Seriphim@reddit

Never heard that in Colorado, Nebraska, New Mexico, or Texas. 🤨

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LifeConsideration981@reddit

It means since the 1800s. Sitting Bull was a real person who was a Lakota chief on the Great Plains, not in the South. No different than saying “They haven’t won a game since the Eisenhower administration.”

Perfectly normal, why would you assume it’s racist?

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Immediate_Falcon8808@reddit

Just double checking- so you're saying you've actually encountered the expression or heard someone use "since sitting bull?"

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LifeConsideration981@reddit

I speak English

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Immediate_Falcon8808@reddit

Most school busses are yellow.

Ok, so now we've got that all cleared up for random unrelated stuff, what about the actual question? I was being quite genuine, and now I know you're full of sitting bull.

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LifeConsideration981@reddit

It’s obvious what it means from reading it. It just means what it says.

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Immediate_Falcon8808@reddit

You're telling OP it's a normal phrase - which it is not a thing at all. By the post alone, OP fairly on target for it's contextual meaning, so you brought unnecessary attention to you by insinuating you heard this or come across it and then got snippy when asked. OP was asking if it was a thing at all. Have a good day.

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LifeConsideration981@reddit

“Haven’t seen that since ____” is a totally normal and understandable phrase, yes.

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Immediate_Falcon8808@reddit

That isn't at all what they asked so...

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LifeConsideration981@reddit

Okay great.

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tovarella7@reddit (OP)

IME It’s always worth asking if something is racist

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AcousticOnomatopoeia@reddit

Especially in the US.

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New-Sheepherder2239@reddit

Not a Southern thing, and not widely used at all as far as I know

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AnythingFine2445@reddit

Never heard that before. Don't think its common in the south.

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HegemonNYC@reddit

Lived in the PNW and NE, never heard this term.

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Sweet_Cinnabonn@reddit

Never heard that. I've lived in the west, the northeast, the northwest, and mid-south.

None of those places use it.

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edwardothegreatest@reddit

West here. Never heard that

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kmoore61@reddit

I’ve never heard it in Oregon

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Miserable-Coast4865@reddit

I'm from South dakota and that's not a saying around here.

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Rowaan@reddit

As a saying? Not that I have ever heard. I think Hunter Thomson used it in his book Fear and loathing, though. But I'm not 100% positive on that, just a vague wisp of memory.

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sitewolf@reddit

used to be more likely to say something like 'back in '09' but that's a bit harder now

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Odd-Guarantee-6152@reddit

I’ve never heard it and I grew up in the South (though not the Deep South)

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abmbulldogs@reddit

I grew up and live in the Deep South. We don’t say it here either. I’ve never heard it in my 48 years of life.

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Financial_Island2353@reddit

Ive never heard that

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Self-Comprehensive@reddit

Never heard it in Texas. I don't think sitting bull was a southerner either

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WiscoBrewDude@reddit

Never heard this in Wisconsin, or in OK the 2 years I lived there.

Sounds like someone trying to start a common saying, but without it making any damn sense.

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Life_Grade1900@reddit

Lived in 6 states. Never heard it

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oosirnaym@reddit

I’m a tribal member in the northern Midwest and have never heard this.

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ParadoxicalFrog@reddit

I have never heard that phrase in my life. Where did you hear it?

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Dramatic-Blueberry98@reddit

Never heard of that phrase, and I’m from the Southeast with family from pretty much everywhere throughout the Southeast.

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No-Boat-1536@reddit

Never heard it. Lived in Midwest, south, northeast and west.

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Grindar1986@reddit

I've lived in both Midwest and Midsouth and never heard that before

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abmbulldogs@reddit

Grew up in Mississippi. Live in Alabama. I’ve never heard this phrase said ever.

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sunny_6305@reddit

Never heard that phrase. Sometimes you’ll hear people refer to presidents when referencing an era like “that nasty carpet hasn’t been cleaned since the Regan administration”. What was the context?

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SaltandLillacs@reddit

Never heard of it

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Last_Stand28@reddit

I second this

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BlueSkyMourning@reddit

Texan here. Never heard that before.

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tcrhs@reddit

I’m a lifelong Southerner and I have never heard that phrase.

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CraigGrade@reddit

Never heard this and I had relatives from the south, very old ones too

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Graycy@reddit

Never heard it

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bugzzzz@reddit

When/where/from whom did you hear this phrase?

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shitty_advice_BDD@reddit

Since Moses was around is what we always said or some variation of Since Moses was a kid or Since Moses dog died.

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Electronic_Syrup7592@reddit

Never heard of that in my life.

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WeReadAllTheTime@reddit

I grew up in the Midwest, lived in the South west for many years, now on the East Coast and I’ve never heard it

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Rumpled_NutSkin@reddit

I've lived in South Carolina my entire life and have never heard anyone say that before

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bouquetofashes@reddit

I'm from the Southeast, both of my parents are from different regions and had military fathers (they moved around a bit, not a ton but certainly they ranged father than the average person does) and never heard it.

I've had friends from basically all over the country and have since moved, as have plenty of my friends, and I've still never heard it. I read an absolutely inordinate amount of all sorts of random shit and I've never seen it there, either.

So I Googled it and it's apparently more of a historical metric. Like people discussing American history use it as a benchmark. That makes sense. I don't think it's a common colloquial saying anywhere though, but perhaps I'm simply not cultured enough to have been exposed to it.

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txlady100@reddit

Never heard it.

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TheBimpo@reddit

I lived in the south in the Midwest, I’ve never heard this phrase and I’m almost 50 years old

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Rockglen@reddit

I've lived a bunch of places & never heard the phrase.

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Accomplished_Joke255@reddit

I lived in 7 states and I’ve never heard that.

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Mobius3through7@reddit

Wyoming here, never heard that phrase.

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Lady-Kat1969@reddit

It’s not a New England thing.

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Wonderful_Shower_793@reddit

I’m from Iowa. Have lived in AL, GA, SC, and now NC. I’ve never heard this and I would not say it.

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ToastetteEgg@reddit

I’ve never heard that on the west coast.

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Clean-Turnip5971@reddit

It's not common in the South/Appalachia I can tell you that much. Maybe "Older'n Methuselah" if anything.

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judgingA-holes@reddit

Yep I'm from the South and I've heard that plenty, but I've never heard "since sitting bull".

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theycallmethevault@reddit

Not a Southern saying

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Vespasian79@reddit

wtf lmao I ain’t never heard of that

Also as other say, definitely a Midwest or at least whatever the fuck Oklahoma views themselves as thing

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Sea-Salamander1005@reddit

Also no, lived in SD for several decades

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Lexie_Acquara@reddit

Grew up in the Midwest and PNW, never heard that saying.

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glockfreak@reddit

Grew up in the south, never heard this term. I live in the Intermountain west now and the only thing I can think of was the Native American leader Sitting Bull from the South Dakota area.

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AdelleDeWitt@reddit

I've never heard that, but also Sitting Bull wasn't that long ago.

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WritPositWrit@reddit

I have never heard this

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JustAnotherDay1977@reddit

I have never heard this, and I have lived both in the midwest and southeast.

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XandyDory@reddit

Never heard it. When I googled it, the only reference is speaking about a Lakota activist, Russel Means, which is a praise for the man and not racist since both are native american.

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Pitiful_Fox5681@reddit

I've only seen this in very literal contexts: "likely the most influential Native American since Sitting Bull"

I've never seen it as an idiom

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PomeloPepper@reddit

Lived in Oklahoma, which has a substantial NA population. Never heard this.

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StellarStylee@reddit

I’m in California and have never heard that phrase.

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Round_Rooms@reddit

It's not an expression used in the Midwest, but his name pops up from time to time.

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krendyB@reddit

Lifelong southerner. Never heard it. I’ve heard “older than Methuselah” & “older than god.”

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jessek@reddit

I live in the west and I’ve never heard that used

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haveanairforceday@reddit

Ive never heard this but i wouldnt encourage it. I also wouldnt understand it to mean "since the beginning of time". Maybe "since the settlement of the west" would be better. Sitting bull was born in 1831 and is famous for resisting the US government and its expansion westward. Hes very recent in terms of Native American history

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EagleEyezzzzz@reddit

I've lived in the intermountain west most of my life and have never heard this.

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Brennisth@reddit

The full phrase I know is "since sitting bull and crazy horse", and it's generally used to refer to a person who is advocating for a cause with extreme fervor. While it is probably most often used in reference to fighting for the rights of indigenous persons (popped up a lot during the oil pipeline being built on tribal land), I don't think it comes across as racist. But it's definitely something I only see in limited circles (I studied it in journalism class as a way to describe a controversial activist), and is probably quite dated.

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