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[Hypothetical] Atatürk keeps the constitutional monarchy. A famous woman (singer/actress) from your country gets married to a Turkish prince (Şehzade) and becomes a Sultana. How scandalous would this be in your country? Could this woman visit her country without getting protested?

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[Hypothetical] Atatürk keeps the constitutional monarchy. A famous woman (singer/actress) from your country gets married to a Turkish prince (Şehzade) and becomes a Sultana. How scandalous would this be in your country? Could this woman visit her country without getting protested?

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The_ScarRzZ@reddit

who cares
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RookOfEdo@reddit

Are the osmanoglu still banned from visiting Turkiye?
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Outside_Resist_8319@reddit

There are many Osmanoğlu's, Mourad's from dynasty living in Turkey. I personally met Kenize Mourad in Istanbul. Also was unlucky to be in a reception where Kayıhan Abdülhamit Osmanoğlu made a speech which I left before he finished
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

Hey! No they are not, women granted their right to come back earlier. In 1974, our PM Bülent Ecevit declared a General Amnesty, he released the imprisoned politicians that were ousted in 1960 Coup and allowed the members of the dynasty to come back.
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RookOfEdo@reddit

Out of curiosity, have any of them ever tried to gain political power or is politics something they generally avoid?
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

Some of the grandchildren of Abdülhamid II tried to exploit politics back then. Abdülhamid II was an emperor who made a self-coup and ruled country with dictatorship for 33 years using Islam as a tool. Despite that, he's loved for his support for the Palestinian Cause and not selling land to the Zionist Movement. His grandchildren tried to use his prestige in 2010s but couldn't achieve anything. For the rest, the grandchildren of Murad V, Mehmed V, some grandchildren of Abdühalmid II and Abdülmecid Efendi are very modern and they have no problem with the status-quo in Turkey. [https://www.instagram.com/roksankunter/?hl=fr](https://www.instagram.com/roksankunter/?hl=fr) for example Roksan Kunter Özkan is the grandchild of Abdülhamid II and she's a journalist in Turkey she's also a Kemalist.
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Young_Owl99@reddit

One of them joined YRP.
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katttespattes84@reddit

One member of the family once demanded galatasaray island.
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

This woman represents only a very small proportion of the family and his brother was literally a crook. The descendants of Murad V, Abdülmecid Efendi and Mehmed V are very humble and modern people that respects current status-quo of Turkey.
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katttespattes84@reddit

Abdülhamitle alakalı herhalde.
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katttespattes84@reddit

Unfortunetly they lifted the ban.In 1952 the ban on women lifted, and then in 1974 ban on male members lifted
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RookOfEdo@reddit

Why unfortunately? Are they trying to reinstate their throne?
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katttespattes84@reddit

Nah. But they are kinda irritating
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Fred_Neecheh@reddit

I unironically think Osmanoglus are a better dynasty than Karađorđevićs, for their target audiences (muslims in Ottoman case)
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

I personally believe that a central, modernist and limited monarchy (means sultan can't do whatever he wants) is the best options for the Islamic World. Ottoman Empire being present in Anatolia, Levant, Hejaz, Mesopotamia and North Africa with 2 official languages (Arabic and Turkish) would have been the best. Every region would have had an inner autonomy while Sultan appoints a symbolic governor to each one of them. Ottoman Empire already abolished 80% of the Islamic Law with Tanzimat Reforms and late period Ottoman sultans were mostly secular. We had to win WW1 for that though.
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Fred_Neecheh@reddit

Maybe if equality before the law came a century earlier. But the sultans spent a considerable amount of time in between 1830 and 1908 trying to reform without a constitution, let alone one with equal rights. 1876 one could have maybe averted 1878 disaster if it had been a serious attempt, its formal abolishment gave Russia the excuse to intervene. Also easy to forget the later it was, the less could local Ottoman governors care. Land was sold or leased to zionists in Palestine with Ottoman consent 1880s to 1914 (and Parthenon marbles sold to Elgin in 1820s). It seemed local governors were more insterstwd in corruption and a nice mansion in Istanbul. All that said, even if the Ottoman state was at core neccesarily unequal, as a caliphate, modern ethnic nation state is also terribly suited to demographic reality of the Balkans and ME. No wonder Armenian genocide was the ultimate result of Ottomans trying to be more European.
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

Thanks for response. Can you also answer to the question in the title?
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Fred_Neecheh@reddit

I guess it depends on the era, nowadays not at all
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VisibleReport5008@reddit

why are you spamming this?
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

I deleted it because it was posted in 4:00 so the access was low with 0 responses. Now the sub is more active.
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Adept-One-4632@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/zos9kfgggp4h1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5854fdd38287bc8e2441735b01603264f403eead
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

Nobody answers bro
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PotentialBat34@reddit

BBC Türkçe has an interview with this guy. He is still bitter about the abolishment of the Sultanate and says there should've been a referendum; also sounds secular and unapologetically nationalist.
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

He's a 80 years old guy with a sympathy for constitutional monarchy. I don't think he wants to be an absolute ruler but Erdoğan but I think in the end he is in favor of a UK-like regime.
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vbd71@reddit

Onion turbans were cool.
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ExactTeam1662@reddit

Turkish Prince? 
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

ctrl+c \[Hypothetical\] Atatürk keeps the constitutional monarchy
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ExactTeam1662@reddit

Anlamdım
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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit (OP)

Çeviri "\[VARSAYIMSAL SORU\] Atatürk'ün cumhuriyet ilan etmek yerine İngiltere'de olduğu gibi temsili monarşiyi devam ettirdiğini varsayalım..."
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