North Texas on track to reach 9 million people next year

[-]

CTR_1852@reddit

How long till we are truly transformed to Los Angeles with worse weather?

[-]

Dallas has been a mini-LA for many years. Visited Los Angeles last year and Downtown LA and the surrounding areas felt like Dallas. The beach was uniquely LA and there is no tourist trap area like Hollywood, but the rest of LA just felt like a bigger Dallas.

[-]

AgreeablePeanut09@reddit

How so? The only thing that Dallas has in common with LA is entitled people. Other than that, Dallas doesn’t have much in common with LA

[-]

Delicious_Hand527@reddit

I always laugh when I see people say this. My house is exactly one house away from my relative's home in Granada Hills, except not in LA. The freeway is the same, the curve is the same, the neighborhood layout is the exact same, most of the shops are the same.

All the Dallas suburbs are basically exact copies of Irvine. The newer neighborhood all look exactly the same. LA area has some that are a bit older they look different. The topography is different, but in a car who cares? On a bike that would be important. Like 7% more people ride bikes in LA than Dallas.

[-]

artificialevil@reddit

I’m curious how you came to this conclusion, because I lived there for 7 years and they’re not anywhere close to the same in any way except for traffic and main character energy.

[-]

Return-of-Trademark@reddit

And even the latter is different. LA is more-self centered and fake celebrity. Here is more selfish, don’t tell me what to do or there will be problems

[-]

artificialevil@reddit

Initially I wanted to disagree with this but the more I thought about it the more I realized this is right.

[-]

artificialevil@reddit

Unless Dallas work culture can provide a better work life balance, then probably never.

[-]

JPree@reddit

The wife and I are planning on moving first week in August to North Carolina....so 8,999,998.

[-]

Arkhamguy123@reddit

Great. More 80iq NPC corporate transplants to crash on 635 and 75 from their shitty driving and jam up traffic

[-]

orthodoxscouter@reddit

Transplants aren't the problem when it comes to driving. They are coming from places where people know how to drive. Texas has the worst driving in America.

[-]

OneMaharajah@reddit

Dallas and Houston are fighting for that worst drivers spot constantly. Probably on par with watching the Cowboys vs Texans or the Rangers vs Astros

[-]

Designer_Accident625@reddit

Eh Philadelphia is pretty close

[-]

CTR_1852@reddit

Do you know everyone from everywhere thinks their town has the worst drivers? Same with “if you don’t like the weather in Dallas, just wait 20 minutes” everyone thinks that is unique to their own town.

[-]

BaseballTop7038@reddit

Dallas has some of the deadliest stretches of highway in the nation - https://letstalkgeography.com/10-most-dangerous-highways-in-the-us/amp/ .. it’s not all just local bias.

[-]

Delicious_Hand527@reddit

Dallas' roads are oversized for the traffic, which leads to faster speeds and bigger differentials in speed, which is what is dangerous. Most other states have fewer lanes, so more people in less space equals lower travel speed -may be more crashes, but fewer fatalities.

Even at that, US 75 (for example has about 200k cars pass per day) and 107 deaths in a decade. So 200,000 * 365 * 10 = 730m driving interactions and 107 deaths.

[-]

Choice-Strike1@reddit

This comment is pure copium

[-]

zughzz@reddit

Actually, Dfw is one of the most dangerous metros to drive in statistically.

[-]

orthodoxscouter@reddit

All you have to do is drive outside the borders of Texas into another state and see that most people are driving better and the occasional crazy driver you see is likely to have a Texas license plate.

[-]

ratterrierpup@reddit

Outside of the metroplex, driving improves immensely.

[-]

TheWizard@reddit

Not really. A trip down I-35 in any direction tells a different story. Texas has some of the most entitled drivers anywhere, and I speak from 30+ years of driving in Texas, and 45 other states that I have driven extensively thru. We also take at least one long road trip every year (4000+ miles), and a few shorter ones (600-1000 miles), and the difference is noticeable.

[-]

calmrain@reddit

Lmao yup. I’ve lived all over the USA (Chicago, Los Angeles for over a decade, DFW for over a decade, New England for a year), and DFW has — by far — the worst drivers. It’s not even close lmao.

[-]

lastlaugh100@reddit

My GF is from Dallas.

Told me in driver's ed they teach as long as you can see the tire from the car in front that's all the space you need.

I told her that WHEN YOU'RE AT A COMPLETE STOP you should be able to see the car's back tire that is in front of you and that's appropriate spacing but the faster you go the greater the following distance you need so you have time to brake in case of emergency.

I tried to explain the concept of momentum and stopping distance and all that did was anger her.

People in Dallas literally have no concept of following distance. All they care about is "but then someone can pass me". Fucking blows my mind.

[-]

calmrain@reddit

Yup. And honestly, after living in downtown Dallas for the last three years, I almost get it. A lot of drivers here really are jerks and will cut in front of you, if you leave even a modicum of space for safety. And with the traffic increasing here, this problem is only going to get worse.

I think in downtown LA, the traffic is bad enough that people know cutting two cars ahead won’t really make any difference. Here, for some reason, the culture around driving (as ridiculous as that sounds) is completely different.

[-]

lastlaugh100@reddit

worst case scenario is this accident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCLXEF6ad9s

Here in the north you don't drive 80 mph with 2 feet between cars during icy conditions.

[-]

orthodoxscouter@reddit

Texas drivers, as a whole, are the worst in America, DFW drivers are just the worst of the worst. Somehow Austin drivers are better then DFW drivers too.

[-]

2ndAccForUhStuff@reddit

I moved here from Albuquerque a year ago. If everyone here drove like Abq people thered just be constant wrecks everywhere. Seriously, no one would get home in the evenings before 10pm. The amount of red light running in thet city is insane.

DFW drivers suck, but.not worse than most other metros. PacNW like Seattle have the best ive ever seen. Miami is insane, LA is insane.

[-]

xomox2012@reddit

Dallas quite literally has terrible drivers though. May not be the worst exactly but certainly up there.

The roads are large and designed well. As a result people were not forced to actually learn their car dimensions, how to react quickly, etc.

[-]

3Time4Eater3@reddit

Texas also has a DUI problem. They keep letting drivers go back to drink driving

[-]

xomox2012@reddit

Yeah, this is a massive issue. As much as TX loves to spout tough on crime, don’t mess with TX, zero tolerance, etc there are SOOO many drivers with duis still on the road.

[-]

3Time4Eater3@reddit

To take it a step further..my experience around Dallas areas is that you may not even get charged with a DUI when deserved, if you have other charges already on you. Yes, it happened to me at least twice. (I no longer drink to get drunk)

[-]

yusuksong@reddit

I’ve been around the country and maybe besides Florida, Texas has the most insane shit I’ve seen on the road by far.

[-]

Yarusenai@reddit

That is true and I do think about that sometimes ..but Texas is its own breed. I grew up in Germany and drove there for 7 years before coming to Texas and I drove in a few other US states. The only place that comes close to how terrible the drivers are is Florida, specifically the Orlando area. Germany can have shitty drivers but I never felt like it was a cultural phenomenon like I do when I drive on 75 or the PBT.

[-]

SuccotashOther277@reddit

Agreed. The weather comment bugs me because we are not in the tropics and are in a middle latitude region with cold fronts and warm fronts just like most of the country. Of course the weather will change often

[-]

mindgame18@reddit

Spent 20 years traveling the states and can confidently say the drivers here are the worst I’ve experienced, just short of LA.

[-]

TheNotoriousKAT@reddit

I think Dallas is worse than LA…

[-]

karma_time_machine@reddit

I've lived in major cities in the Midwest as well as DC and the drivers on 75 are more aggressive and agitated than anywhere I've lived.

[-]

Regular-Sorbet9513@reddit

Traffic flowed smoothly when everybody drove the same way and followed the same unspoken rules of the road. Now we've got millions of people following all sorts of different unspoken rules. The ones who fail to follow the Texas 10 (add 10 to the speed limit anywhere that's the true speed limit) and the ones who pull out in front of me agitate me the most.

[-]

orthodoxscouter@reddit

That's why I said in the USA.

[-]

Gmantle22@reddit

Do they teach turn signals in TX? The amount of times I’ve seen drivers not using turn signals is astonishing.

[-]

orthodoxscouter@reddit

Or thinking any lane is their personal turn lane

[-]

Hermeskid123@reddit

That’s the problem they don’t know how to drive here.

[-]

KM964@reddit

If you think Texas is bad, go drive on any freeway in Miami-Dade or Broward.

[-]

AgreeablePeanut09@reddit

Used to live in Miami, I prefer South Florida driving to Texas driving. Texas drivers are the worst drivers in the states.

[-]

philiphofmoresemen@reddit

“They are coming from places who know how to drive” bro have you ever watched Indian traffic videos?

[-]

ManTheDan12@reddit

As a born and raised texan, I must concur.

Driving out here is atrocious.

[-]

24x11@reddit

exactly lol. the call is coming from inside the house. Texas drivers just suck overall.

[-]

Heavy_Sak@reddit

Also the worst people in America.

[-]

sshootersonscooterss@reddit

mirror

[-]

jovialfaction@reddit

They are coming from places where people know how to drive

I invite you to check videos of people driving in Bangalore lol

[-]

I_Can_Barely_Move@reddit

Set your bar a little bit higher than that, please.

[-]

orthodoxscouter@reddit

Hence saying "in America"

[-]

Arkhamguy123@reddit

Yeah okay fair but ya know. It ain’t gonna help lol

[-]

currycourtesan@reddit

This comment is too real. DFW gets all the tier 3 back office corporate rejects that act like they're the shit.

[-]

Svell_@reddit

Man it's almost like a robust public transit system could get a bunch of people off the roads

[-]

karma_time_machine@reddit

What a ray of sunshine.

[-]

guitar_vigilante@reddit

Let's be fair, it's the native Texans doing most of the crashing on 635 and 75.

[-]

Next-Moose-9129@reddit

stop moving here too many people

[-]

lucidJG@reddit

Or maybe we could just pass laws that allow building enough housing/infrastructure to support them? Why blame the people coming here?

[-]

Typical-Business9686@reddit

Oh housing developments are popping up like crazy. Infrastructure though is the big one. Any politicians saying we need to raise taxes for infrastructure would immediately get voted out and it will be that way until North Texas runs out of water in the next 5 years or so.

[-]

lucidJG@reddit

Precisely the problem. But it’s the same people that vote against any forms of transit or density that complain when new people move in.

[-]

Confusedsoul2292@reddit

Goodness 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[-]

aveon10@reddit

We need real actual light rail transit. Dart silver line and regular dart lines can only go so far. Have to expand all over the metro. World Cup here is going to be disaster with traffic. How do you have Cowboys and Rangers stadiums in Arlington with no light rail connection from Dallas/Fort Worth? I’m not from here, but it blows my mind with the people in leadership here. Relying just on cars is not the solution.

[-]

tx_queer@reddit

Part of the problem with something like light rail is that it was designed around suburbs for sleeping and working downtown. Even the NYC subway has this issue where all trains go to Manhattan. They were designed as radial systems

The new reality is different. Corporations no longer build skyscrapers downtown. They build big campuses in the suburbs. Somebody from frisco is more likely to work in Irving than downtown. Somebody from coppell is more likely to work in plano than downtown.

This point to point connection leaves the old light rail useless and makes it really difficult to build a new one

[-]

Delicious_Hand527@reddit

This is only true in an abstract kind of way. Yes, Dallas has many jobs but office commute jobs are situated in a relatively small number of areas. The Legacy Area of Plano, Irving, around DT Dallas, and US75 have the vast majority of office commute jobs. Most of those are already close to rail lines.

The biggest problem is that job commuting is only about 25% of traffic. and at 2 relatively specific times a day. 75% of traffic on most roads is not going to a job.

[-]

Keep_Plano_Corporate@reddit

Don't your come into this conversation with that sort of level headed dose of reality. This is Reddit dammit!

[-]

Delicious_Hand527@reddit

I see people say this all the time, but most cities don't have any kind of rail to their stadiums, because stadiums actually aren't used that much, so it makes no sense to run light rail to a stadium that is only busy 1-2 days a week. It does make sense to jam a stadium in downtown, where the buildings are used everyday, and therefore an ancillary benefit is the stadium has some kind of rail access.

But sizing road or rail for a stadium for 1 day a week makes no sense.

[-]

alexdev50@reddit

but profits /s

[-]

aveon10@reddit

Profits for who? Jerry Jones? Him and his business partners should have thought about implementing light rail by the stadium when he got the deal to built it. He already makes his profits from fans buying tickets/merchandise.

[-]

alexdev50@reddit

Him plus other outside forces. Take aware peoples needs for cars, suddenly you have less vehicles, less parking fees, less car insurance needs, less speeding tickets, less toll road usage etc.

It's called legal bribing, I mean lobbying.

[-]

Typical-Business9686@reddit

Let's not forget how many politicians in this area also either directly own or are related to owners of giant car dealerships.

[-]

endless_shrimp@reddit

good transit means poor people can get to your mcmansion, so jot that down

[-]

loves2ride1@reddit

The last thing any team owner wants is public transportation to their venue. They would lose so much money on parking revenue and stadium tailgating fees, also facing reduced leverage in securing taxpayer-funded stadium subsidies.

[-]

BourbonXenon@reddit

But he also makes money from parking. So that's why

[-]

chrisjlee84@reddit

I think that's true. We need more efficient transit options, such as bus rapid transit (BRT).

Many suburbs are spending money on microtransit, but BRT is a practical way to start small. Dedicated bus lanes and signal priority can improve service and prove demand before larger investments.

The Dallas North Tollway is a good example. It's one of the region's busiest corridors, connecting Dallas, Addison, Plano, Frisco, and Prosper, yet it lacks high-capacity transit. Since it's already a toll road, there is an established funding mechanism and users are accustomed to paying for transportation infrastructure. A portion of future toll revenue growth, public-private partnerships, or value created by development along the corridor could help fund transit improvements.

Rather than spending billions on rail upfront, a BRT line could be tested at a lower cost and expanded if ridership grows.

More broadly, businesses benefit from public infrastructure and access to workers. They should help support the transportation systems that make that growth possible.

[-]

seilrelies@reddit

You have to realize that the money here is from oil. All of the rich oil barons lobby the politicians to keep public transportation from expanding. They want us to drive and pay for gas. It’s really that simple.

[-]

JaracRassen77@reddit

Didn't TxDoT even say that there needs to be a greater emphasis on public transportation as the state keeps growing? But who listens to experts when legislators can get their contractor buddies to build more highways? One more lane should work, right?

[-]

HolyRomanPrince@reddit

And I’m on track to move out of here. One more school year God willing.

[-]

boldjoy0050@reddit

I was hoping to be gone before the heat set in but this job market is shit.

[-]

HolyRomanPrince@reddit

Same but I moved to a new company in March so hopefully with a year of service I can get them to pay me to move to somewhere I can actually afford to buy a house.

[-]

Darkshiv@reddit

I quote the intro to Judge Dredd as a joke, I know there are worst areas, but still makes me laugh when I keep seeing growth statistics about DFW.

[-]

xxTheGrayLifexx@reddit

Glad to see our local governments are doing everything they can to help road congestion, improve our infrastructure and public transportation for this population influx /s

[-]

Return-of-Trademark@reddit

This isn’t to you but I don’t feel like responding to the individual commentators:

I will never understand the ignorance ppl have regarding public transportation. There are too many examples of it working, both in theory and in practice.

[-]

Various-Corgi-6160@reddit

Uneducated people reciting what they’ve been told by the people profiting of their willful ignorance. Its what’s wrong with basically it entire society.

[-]

CTR_1852@reddit

How many more 95% empty buses would you like to see?

[-]

Various-Corgi-6160@reddit

The buses wouldn’t be empty if the lines weren’t minimal and underfunded

[-]

CTR_1852@reddit

Double the routes and funding and people will still not use it.

[-]

Various-Corgi-6160@reddit

Tell that to every other major city in the world that has a functioning public transit system that’s packed daily

[-]

CTR_1852@reddit

Every other major city in the world existed as major cities before cars and dug those tunnels for subways when labor was cheaper.

Our population density is 4000 per square mile while the average for European capitals is 4000 per square kilometer (more dense)

[-]

philiphofmoresemen@reddit

I only ride the bus when I want to sit in piss and get my neck ventilated by a person I’ve been told is “our greatest strength”

[-]

Traveshamockery27@reddit

Nobody wants to ride a rolling homeless encampment.

[-]

xxTheGrayLifexx@reddit

I've worked with people who ride the bus everyday to work. According to them, the busses suck. Working weekends are hard because they run less on the weekends and it takes an hour and a half to go 10 miles. It's not efficient nor convenient.

[-]

orthodoxscouter@reddit

Those wouldn't be a problem if we fund it more to run more often with more lines.

[-]

CTR_1852@reddit

Dallas was not designed for public transportation.

They are also full of homeless lunatics

[-]

beefman42@reddit

It was designed BY design to dissuade us from public transit.

[-]

Various-Corgi-6160@reddit

You’re aware cities can be redesigned and modified, right? They don’t stay exactly the same forever. We spend billions adding lanes to highways that cost $20 to use during rush hour. You’re not complaining about how dallas wasn’t designed for that

[-]

Other_Tangerine_3380@reddit

It’s really gonna be a problem. The infrastructure here is crap between the power grid, the gas company, and the drought situation, we are in for it.

[-]

Scharfschuetze1977@reddit

Yes that is great Now the 35% plus Indian population are growing even more. Frisco turning with HB1B fraught into Mumbai.

[-]

AceHunterPrime@reddit

Ace here.

At 9 million people, statistically at least three thousand of them are probably still giving directions based on a Dairy Queen that no longer exists.

Some traditions survive growth.

[-]