Yikes! Previous El Nino years dont even get a look in, simply being swallowed by the mass of data. However, the weather this year (for want of a better name) has been anything but normal but that in of itself looks to be teh result of a very much weakened and meandering jet stream, blocking weather patterns. Yet another victim of a rapidly changing climate coupled with a very strong El Nino formation. As much as I agree completely with the "we're fucked" statements, I find it utterly fascinating how the climate can be modelled and understood, yet completely ignored, with the science derided by so many. It's as if societal collapse is happening and the population is looking for someone to blame for all their woes. The question I want answering though is this: Is the rise of the Far right a reflection- or even portend- or a collapsing society? Can we use Germany of the 1930's as a model on which to base an analysis of a society, in order to determine if collapse has already started. Sorry, I'm sort of being a straw man here and in no way intentionally started out to hijack this thread. However, In my humblest defence, I am at the same time bringing this thread full circle back to the topic of collapse.