Hopi prophecy about collapse and renewal
Posted by askmeabouttheforest@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 6 comments
I remember hearing little bits and pieces of that prophecy something like twenty years ago, but not the whole thing. I stumbled on this just today; the video was put online recently, but the recording is from the 90s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQITTf1144
Please don't comment just to say you don't believe in prophecies, it says "prophecy" right in the title; if you know it's not for you, just leave it alone.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
While it's quaint to imagine there's a lot of power in these old prophecies you have to understand the larger socioeconomic contexts that these beliefs exist in.
Unlike the nomadic Navajo, the Hopi were an agrarian society that settled into permanent villages. For most of human history agrarian societies exist in a world of fairly predictable cycles, but interconnected cycles:
The cycle of day and night which establishes the working day, the cycle of seasons which alters the cycle of day/night (longer days in summer shorter in winter etc), multi-year weather cycles which can impact the seasonal expectations: periods extreme drought, extreme rain, extreme cold, that are temporary but occur several times in a life time.
The occasional multi-generational disruptions the lead to an understanding that sometimes lakes do dry up, and sometimes they appear.
Nearly all religions and beliefs of settled agrarian societies speak of these cycles, we see this in Hinduism as well, Taoism etc.
The thing is all of these societies lived during relatively stable periods of climate so there was ultimately a multiple generation belief that even though things do sometimes get really, really bad, it's always okay in the long run. The cycles dominate everything and everything you have will be lost and regained.
We have destroyed the biosphere and reached a state of overshoot. We have broken the cycles these cultures experience and their wisdom is no longer relevant. For the Hopi, no matter how bad things got, people would survive and rebuild, the world would become stable again. This is not the case with our time, we have destroyed millennial long cycles, the end of many species, and potentially the end of all human life.
Hopi wisdom is not useful here.
Paragonne@reddit
Comical statement.
It was the 1920's, iirc, when the Hopi went to try to dissuade the US Government from using nukes, the "gourd of ashes, which, when it falls, makes everything dead".
Perfect description of an implosion-type plutonium warhead: hollow "gourd"/sphere, and no plutonium-ore exists, all plutonium comes from already burned uranium ( or thorium? ) fuel.
They predicted 2 world wars, then a delay, then "Creator would shake the world again, but this time with both hands".
Only after it was entirely finished, would peace reign.
By 2032, ww3 should be in full swing, and it will be racial deathmatch: humanity's species-wide civil-war.
Try spending a few years "making relations with forest", or plains, or sea, or wherever it is that your true/heart-home abides.
Then try telling the world that their wisdom is worthless.
People who only have experience of living divorced/alienated from the lives/spirits Nature is made-of, presume that there isn't any worth, let-alone reality, in 'em.
Exactly as scientism trained me to embody.
Learning, however, is magic : it can break any cultural-prejudice, no matter how young one was, when it was pushed into one.
They've cultural-cruft, just as we have ( trusting nicotene to fake their way into having the "inner winds", instead of honestly earning them, e.g. .. the inner-winds ( spirit-currents ) equivalent to "round-up ready crop farming" that is.. ), and it is all kinds who have to earn evolving/adapting in the final 6-decades war.
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Royal-Mix-647@reddit
“The soul travels through the forms of mineral, plant, animal, and human life. Life by life, each man progresses toward the goal of his own apotheosis” Paramahansa Yogananda
Month_Valuable@reddit
Do you have a link to the the references here?
wellheythereyall@reddit
Native American prophecy missile strikes in United States
Emergency_Log1662@reddit
Some people believe that the 16th Karmapa could be the lost brother , as he came from the East, with the dress of a toad, brining religion of his own, had black hair, and brought rain that ended 73 days of drought.