Bus advertising the 2007 opening of Berlin Brandenburg Airport, which actually opened in 2020
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“BBI. The new airport for Berlin and Brandenburg. In Schönefeld. From 2007.”
Spotted in 2026, a true blast from the past.
The airport eventually opened in October 2020 as Berlin Brandenburg Airport (BER), after years of delays and cost overruns. Construction began in 2006 and the airport was originally supposed to open in 2011. Instead, it opened almost nine years late. The final cost grew from an initial estimate of about €2 billion to more than €7 billion.
One detail that is less widely known is that the project was long branded as “Berlin Brandenburg International” (BBI). A large amount of marketing material used the BBI abbreviation before planners realised that the IATA airport code BBI was already assigned to Bhubaneswar Airport in India. The new airport therefore adopted the code BER, which had already been used as the metropolitan code for Berlin’s airports. So by the time the airport finally opened, much of the BBI branding had become a relic of an earlier plan.
hoverside@reddit
Insisting on putting Brandenburg in the name is like if you called it "Atlanta-Clayton County International". It's technically true but it's irrelevant to international travellers into what was supposed to be a major international airport serving one of the continent's biggest cities.
Buttercup4869@reddit
Brandenburg only has the BER as an airport to be fair and is co-owner
Also, it basically is empty if not for those clinging to Berlin. More than 40% of its population is live in the metropolitan area of Berlin
BecauseWeCan@reddit
The state of Brandenburg owns 1/3 of the airport, another 1/3 is owned by the state of Berlin and the final 1/3 is owned by the federal state.
Individual_Author956@reddit (OP)
I think it’s mostly a message to the people of Brandenburg, like “this is also your airport, so don’t complain about it.”
wj9eh@reddit
Lots of airports in Europe have a subtitle, but usually because they have more than one airport in the same city. It is odd considering Berlin doesn't any more but maybe they're leaving their options open. The airport there has been called Brandenburg a long time though.
SteO153@reddit
2020 was a great year to inaugurate an airport.
Professional_Low_646@reddit
Actually, it was. Seeing how much still didn’t work at the BER - some of which still doesn’t - opening during a very low point of air travel was much better than during normal times.
wurstbowle@reddit
What's not working at BER?
Professional_Low_646@reddit
I never use it, but I have a bunch of colleagues who do. From their tellings: escalators, elevators, luggage retrieval, jet bridges, the pathing in general… Or as one of them likes to put it: „it’s a great airport to look at and a horrible one to fly to.“
DutchBlob@reddit
I hate BER, it’s a design from the 90’s that’s clearly not up to the task.
First of all: It’s already way too small: the capacity is 30 million people and the two former airports combined had 34 million passengers in 2019.
Second: There are no downwards escalators to the train station so you have to drag your suitcase down a very long staircase. As soon as you are downstairs, you literally hit a wall, because that’s where the elevator is located. So people are forced to walk around thick concrete support columns making the already narrow platform even narrower.
Third: the security checks. Imagine the central departure hall as a rectangle. These security checkpoints are on the long end of the rectangle and since not all of them are open at the same time it makes it impossible to see from one end of the rectangle to the other end which security checkpoint is open. During my last visit (two weeks ago) I was checking in at the left corner of that rectangle and I had to walk all the way to the right corner to go through security.
Fourth: shops, or the lack thereof. The terminal’s architect hated shopping so in the initial design there were not even locations for shops included. After he was forced to add them, we now have one central square that starts with the typical perfumes and liquor sales (where you have to walk through because the shop entrance is at the end of a long and empty corridor behind security) and there a a few other stores outside that first duty free (once you’ve managed to squeeze yourself through the discounted perfumes grabbing crowds) but that’s basically it. So if your gate is at the end of the A-concourse there’s nowhere to buy something except for a tiny little restaurant.
Fifth: Gates. Perhaps the architect has solely flying experience on Cessna’s, but he sure as hell has never flown “gigantic” aircraft like the Boeing 737 or Airbus A320. My goodness, these waiting areas are tiny. For a second i thought we were boarding through an emergency exit, that’s how narrow it looks. And since arriving and departing passengers are (often) using the same door (no separation of traffic, like at CDG for instance) it gets even more crowded. And what blew my mind was the steep incline of the gate house towards the boarding bridge. It’s so steep that it even had a sign warning passengers in wheelchairs that Berlin Airport is not responsible for any accidents if they go down that incline without airport assistance. And this is supposed to be a brand new terminal that is supposed to be up to modern (accessibility) standards.
It’s absolutely ridiculous.
keplerniko@reddit
The point about the waiting area at gates strikes me as despairingly funny. I traveled via one of the Berlin airport pre-BBI (I think Scoenefeld) which had the pre-9/11 or 1970s style modern design—meaning the gates were basically behind check in counter and there was *no* air side area other than the immediate waiting area for that gate. Horrendous for security and incredibly small and cramped—sounds like they preserved that for nostalgia’s sake.
sharkov2003@reddit
Sounds like Tegel. Loved that airport. You arrive with a cab and from the outside you can already see the gate that you’ll use. Bit cramped after 9/11 due to security checks being added after the fact, but the lack of long walking distances in an airport is luxury.
dogpoopfruitloops@reddit
Germany and bad airport design go hand in hand. MUC is a ridiculously overdesigned facility with absolutely no thought given to the passenger experience as well.
EarlDukePROD@reddit
Thought muc was fine when i flew from there last year, what dont you like about it?
dogpoopfruitloops@reddit
Terminal 1 is a mess for departures. Instead of having check-in desks in a central location there are multiple check in "pods" spread through the building which you have to walk huge distances to with often broken moving walkways. That would be almost excusable if the gates corresponded to the check-in pod you went to but often you have to walk half the airport to check-in, and then backtrack to a security entrance on the other end of the terminal to get through security to the gate your flight is at which is behind a check-in pod for other airlines. Nothing is connected post-security so your airside spaces are small, have limited food and shopping options and sometimes have long corridors to get to the gate from where all the seating is. Signage is very poor for all of this leading to a lot of very stressed people running around trying to find where to go.
Not to mention if you are unfortunate enough to be sent to a bus gate on an international arrival you have to take a nearly 2 mile bus ride with about 2 dozen right angle turns which standing packed like sardines in a bus just to get to customs.
Thankfully customs is efficient, and so is the local transit access.
lopolow@reddit
Let’s add in the inefficient boarder checks to. Instead of funnelling everyone to a dedicated point, there are multiple? (At least two) separate ones which means passangers can wait ages at one closest to where their flight comes in from, while another point can be completely void of waiting passengers. But tbh, it’s a step up of Munich which has a similarly poor set up but has you waiting on stairs as the check points are so small, and very few workers encouraging people to walk up and over into other passports check points which are manned and potentially void of passengers…
snwlf@reddit
Really well articulated - the airport is awful. dread having to fly out of it.
AmbidextrousRex@reddit
I flew through it last year and everything worked fine, but it was a pretty meh experience. Certainly not what one would expect from a relatively new airport (though given the construction challenges, I guess one could argue it's not that new).
I miss the convenience of Tegel, though I completely understand why it needed to close.
Indication24@reddit
Yeah I don't get the complaints really. I've always been able to get in and out pretty quickly and comfortably, which is all I really care about — no security delays, baggage delays, long walks to gate. Who cares about shops? I'm not there for a new wardrobe.
Itajka@reddit
I’m a Berliner and that’s just simply not true. BER is by no means an amazing airport, but works as well as any other. Stuff occasionally breaks (like everywhere else), but generally BER is completly fine.
vaska00762@reddit
BER might not have as much of a special feeling like TXL, but it sure as hell is much better than SXF.
I lived in Teltow-Fläming, and everyone in the area was a full on anti-BER NIMBY. Their complaint was in the summer it was too hot to not leave the windows open, but the sound of landing planes was too loud to leave the windows open.
My solution? I just listened to music or videos with headphones. Or... I just didn't care about the noise.
buldozr@reddit
r/aviation subscribers: Aircraft flying by my window? That's an extra €10K I'd pay for that house right there!
vaska00762@reddit
Just give me turboprops feathering on the taxiway
halfmylifeisgone@reddit
G E R M A N E N G I N E E R I N G
muck2@reddit
That's par for the course, though. Stuff breaks.
The real story was what was going on during the construction and testing phase, thanks to meddling politicians and a general contractor wholly unsuited to the task.
MaltesHaus@reddit
When I was there like half the walkatrons didnt work, which for an Airport where you somehow walk as much as in Frankfurt or Heathrow is pretty terrible.
XaWEh@reddit
Not to mention the fact that they had to transport a whole bunch of equipment from the still running Schönefeld and train tons of new employees on the new infrastructure.
It was a deliberate choice.
roobieroo@reddit
I'd be interested to know how they originally estimated 2 billion euros but the final cost was 7. More than triple what was expected? Inflation, corruption, massive incompetence? Was there any accountability for such a massive cost overrun?
TheFlying5aucer@reddit
Most of the works are splitted to many subcontractors. They don't coordinate with each other. Things got misaligned, stuff from one subcontractor cannot work with the other subcontractors. Many small mistakes turns into a big one, made the electrical and fire alarm system not up to code (or not working at all). Plan got changed again and again. Most of the cost are to fix the mistakes from the early years. Some say its cheaper to demolish them and build again from scratch.
SubjectiveAssertive@reddit
That airport was no end of just silly mistakes that should not happen
There is some great stuff about it in YouTube
Less serious tone: https://youtu.be/ll58ZrIupKA
More serious https://youtu.be/bBOpKiEcVss
polyploid_coded@reddit
As an American my intro to this was the very long, but well-written podcast "How to Fuck Up an Airport" https://www.radiospaetkauf.com/ber/
Individual_Author956@reddit (OP)
And when I thought I've seen/heard everything related to BER... What a gem.
hoverside@reddit
That was a great series
Myfooty94@reddit
Unrelated: I saw an Air France ad (with the new logo) on the back of the bus in Sydney in 2016. (They had flights to Sydney before the year 2000).
Professional_Low_646@reddit
Fun fact: the train station connecting the airport to the city via a tunnel was finished much sooner. But it had no scheduled service, which was bad for the tunnels - they needed a regular exchange of air, delivered by trains going in and out, or they would get moldy.
To solve the problem, empty trains were sent to the station twice an hour for years. Cost millions, of course…
PaJoMe@reddit
During covid, many airlines flew empty planes to keep their scheduled places at airports for which they needed a certain amount of flights per week 😵
EstablishmentLate532@reddit
Yeah but that was just administrative nonsense. At least the train tunnel had a mechanical reason why it needed the trains to run through.
durandal@reddit
Though the "use it or lose it"-rule was then suspended, in order to suppress this silliness.
HolidayFrequent6011@reddit
Is the as supposed to be taken literally as in meaning the airport will be there in 2007, or does it more allude to the work staring in 2007?
I seem to remember SXF started getting renovations to turn into BER quite a long time before actual building work started...but I could be wrong. I've been a regular visitor to Berlin since around 2007 and BER was alwyas something I remember seeing mentioned a lot. One day I went back and it was actually into BER and not SXF (but using stands that would be BER).
cmaj7_chord@reddit
But why was the campaign advertising with an opening in 2007 when it was originally scheduled to open in 2011?
Individual_Author956@reddit (OP)
It’s a very early target date from the 90s
skyye99@reddit
The elevators needed to be recertified before the airport opened because it was under construction for so long
flying_ina_metaltube@reddit
One of the craziest things I read regarding the delay was that a majority of the screens (to show flight info, etc) had to be replaced before the airport actually opened in 2020 because they had come close to their replacement date since they were installed with the 2011 opening date in mind. Infrastructure was being replaced due to wear even before the thing opened.
Complex_Biscotti8205@reddit
Tegel my beloved
Maybs3923@reddit
Worst airport I’ve ever flown out of easily. Was there in 2022.
PaJoMe@reddit
My favorite story of how far lying on a resume can get you... And now, while it's finally complete, it sure isn't as major of a hub as I always assumed as a child watching it being built.
hndrk_schbrt@reddit
It was supposed to become a hub for Airberlin.... yeah, so much for that
FrozenDickuri@reddit
No body even checked!?!?
wj9eh@reddit
Interesting that they changed because BBI was already in use. London Luton Airport (LUT) currently has LLA written all over the place, which is Luleå in Sweden.
DutchBlob@reddit
LUT is also very popular with photographers
WIZZZARDOFFREESTYLE@reddit
SHOULD OF WENT WITH BBL
THAT ATTRACTS MORE CUSTOMERS
wiggum55555@reddit
I loved the part where the long escalators ended near the top, and then they built 5 steps to get to the real top, because apparently they misread the plans or measurements when building the escalators... or something like like that. There is an amazing 5-6 part German podcast series called "How to F**K Up An Airport" that explain this in precise German detail.
adcellent305@reddit
For those wondering, this bus is part of a heritage fleet of buses preserved in Berlin which still run regularly on one of the routes (this one is from 1995 and was withdrawn in 2010) This particular ad was applied in 2020, shortly before Brandenburg itself finally opened - but many of these buses did carry this ad back in the mid 2000s
Individual_Author956@reddit (OP)
Ah cool, I was wondering how this bus ended up still having such an old ad.
Mogus00@reddit
They also preserved the ad that aged like milk too?
KAugsburger@reddit
That's so old I am surprised that that bus is still running.
tracernz@reddit
A bit like Stuttgart 21 for trains - still ongoing.
OptimallyOOO@reddit
When someone mentiones German organisation... run.
Havhestur@reddit
So it opened closer to half-eight then?
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