In 1981, Xerox Corporation introduced the Xerox Star 8010, a workstation that included the first commercially available computer mouse. This mouse, along with the Star's other innovations like a graphical user interface (GUI) and Ethernet networking, helped pave the way for the modern PC
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CharacterPerformer47@reddit
Even if Xerox didn't invent (only perfected) these technologies, it was the first company to create a commercial product unifying them.
The history of how Xerox had everything to win the personal computer race and decided not to bet is fascinating for any computer nerd. For anyone interested, I recomend the book "Dealers of Lightning" by Michael A. Hiltzik.
ksuwildkat@reddit
While technically correct - the best correct - the Star was closer to the hardware version of an Amiga Demo. It was a commercial failure, selling ~25K units. Even adjusting for the total addressable market at the time that was not good. More to the point, it had almost no impact on the market outside of "inspiring" Jobs and Gates.
Two years later the Lisa would be a similar commercial failure but instead of failing in the shadows it failed under the glaring lights and lead directly to the Macintosh. The Mac has done ok.
I think the real outlier here is Ethernet support. As soon as anyone saw the GUI and the mouse it was obvious that they changed everything and would be the way forward from that point on. Yet somehow Ethernet and networking got missed. Apple introduced AppleTalk in 1985 but in typical Apple style, it was a walled garden until 1990 when again in typical Apple style they produced an Ethernet dongle. Amazingly, Apple continued to support AppleTalk until 2009 with OSX 10.6. Windows would not have a TCP/IP stack until Windows 3.11 in 1993. You could network earlier Windows computers but only with 3rd party software that was often its own walled garden. Even in 3.11 it was essentially a 1st party extension. Windows 95 was the first version of Windows where networking was a ground up feature and Windows NT was the first one that got it right.
Savannah216@reddit
Yes and no. It wasn't the hardware that created the personal computer revolution, it was VisiCalc and Excel. The software meant business adoption and manufacturing at scale.
The Xerox workstations were great but they didn't sell well because their applications were limited.
Was plug and play and TCP/IP wasn't around in 1985 in a meaningful way - networks were all coax at that stage.
AppleTalk was huge, no configuration, it just worked. It took years for Ethernet to catch up.
The education market...
ksuwildkat@reddit
Elrond Voice - "I was there 3000 years ago the day the Command Line failed." I rode my bike half way across Sacramento to go see the Lisa the first week it was released. Everyone knew they were seeing the future. I did it again when the Macintosh was released and we knew we were going to be able to afford the future in our lifetimes. VisiCalc and later Excel could exist without a mouse or GUI. We already had those. But seeing that folder and seeing those fonts.....it changed everything.
Oh Im an AppleTalk fan. The point was that the so much of the industry saw the Star and completely missed what would become the most killer of killer apps - networking. Check out the list of the 100 oldest domain names. Apple clocks in at #64 in 1987. Now look who isnt on this list - Microsoft. Microsoft.com wasn't registered until 1991! No wonder they were so far behind! Apple and Adobe are notable as being early adopters who had no connections to the Defense Industrial Base.
Savannah216@reddit
I am similarly greybearded, however without mass manufacturing for business, which was spurred uniquely by VisiCalc, the personal computer revolution would never have got off the ground. You're right they could exist without a GUI but from a business perspective the GUI saves you a truckload on training.
The problem with the Star 8010 was the networking - you'd need two or three and a file server to make the integrated software work which is a ~$120,000 purchase plus labour, staff training, cable etcetera. You could have bought and IBM PC in the same year for $1,565 and come out in the same place.
The problem with Xerox was, like Microsoft and Google, they didn't understand the market at all. The 8010 wasn't ahead of it's time, it was an absurd price for something that would require complete business change to be worthwhile (not to mention slow hardware and the hours long failure mode). By the time you caught up to the change to full effect you'd be able to spend a quarter of the money to get the same thing. It's the surface table of workstations, cool as all get out, but not a useful tool.
ksuwildkat@reddit
So I disagree that it took businesses to make the PC revolution happen. I think it happened DESPITE business, not because of it. The Star is a perfect example of that. It was a business tool and required business levels of financing and support. It never occurred to Xerox to make something that was simply cool and fun.
Woz made the Apple ][ because he wanted something cool and fun. It didnt NEED to do anything other than exist and be cool and fun. You want to play Breakout? OK, you can do that. You want to run a spreadsheet? Sure you can do that. Jobs made the Mac because it was all that and elegant.
Personal computers have been driven by games more than anything else. Color displays? Games drove that. High quality graphics? Games drove that. Bigger hard drives? Games drove that. SSDs for storage? Games drove that. The fact that Atari, Commodore, Amiga and Sinclair stayed in business as long as they did was because of games. The entire MSX industry was driven by games. The legendary Sharp X68000 was pure gamer bliss.
Look how long PCs chased consoles in gaming. It took from 1977 to 2013 (PS4/Xbox One) for PCs to gain parity with consoles and they were not even close in price parity. Around 2022 was the first time you could build a PC that had better performance than a PS5 for the cost of a PS5.
I can remember benchmarking computers by how fast they could scroll through a large Word document. When was the last time any productivity software stressed a PC the way a game does? Look at the MacNeo. Its literally a cell phone processor with a screen and keyboard and it kicks ass as a PC. 100% of what I do at work could be accomplished on a Raspberry Pi 5 but instead I have an 11th get Intel i7 that sits idle 99% of the time. The ONLY reason we have fast processors today is gaming. An of course the entire AI industry only exists because gamers wanted more FPS causing Nvidia to fall ass backwards into $4T.
If it was up to the business world we would still be using dedicated word processors and dumb terminals.
Savannah216@reddit
You're welcome to disagree, but this is fact. Without the mass adoption in businesses people wouldn't have learned to use computers in the first place, equally without shipping the number of units that businesses were able to buy prices wouldn't have come within range of consumers at all.
VisiCalc made the Apple II
I mean honestly, no. No small business or SME touched it with a barge pole, they could get a VIC-20 for $300, the blue chips that did touch it regretted it. No one could afford the thing, and most businesses at the time hadn't encountered the problems it was intended to solve so there was no demand.
It never occurred to ANY of the early computer companies to make something that was simply cool and fun. This is the Woz/Jobs difference, Woz was in it to make computers he would like to use, the market for that was basically the homebrew computer club, and left to his own devices that's exactly what it would have been because he lacked the vision to take it any further.
Woz did the OS and Circuitry, Rod Holt the PSU, Jerry Mantock designed the all important casing, and Jobs focused on making it a package that appealed beyond the hobbyist market. Mike Markkula provided the financing, and Jobs and Markkula engaged the Regis McKenna agency to do the marketing. They put Rob Janoff, Chip Schafer, and Bill Kelley on the account - Janoff came up with the logo and the visuals, Jobs created the stripes to emphasise the colour capability. It took all of them to make it a success and sell it to people.
Thing is they didn't sell 3 million units to home users, VisiCalc made it the primary desktop computer of businesses and schools everywhere, and the latter drove home adoption. The peripherals market was huge, everything from the Kennedy Space Centre environmental monitoring systems, to projection control for planetariums.
Hard no. In the PC market you could make that claim, but no one made serious money out of games until doom launched on MS-DOS in 1993. Great gaming platform, yes, but the games were side projects, clones, and freeware.
The colour thing was Woz wizardry, nothing to do with games.
Man you should see some of the spreadsheets I come across in big business.
Tartan-Pepper6093@reddit
This, much much props to AppleTalk (and PhoneNet, cheaper physical layer!), it just worked with hardly any configuration, file and printer sharing worked like magic, no assigning IP numbers or host tables, just get the cables and dongles, nothing easier in the 80s, compare that to IBM PC token-ring adapters and stiff thick cables and concentrators and properly configuring the driver in upper memory, ick. Cheap networking cards for PC’s came out finally around the early 90’s, but most were still 10-base-2 thin coaxial daisy-chain configuration and Novell Netware, and if one connection in the chain kinks or comes loose then the whole chain goes dead.
The Mac room always had fewer problems than the PC room, at least until Windows NT v3 came along and 10-base-T adapters and cables and switches got cheap 😁
Savannah216@reddit
People forget Apple is one of the few hardware companies left that do original research, they are an extremely significant contributor of engineers to the work of the standards bodies.
Printing was absolutely key to their business, as was easy networking and file sharing. Other platforms could not hope to match what AppleTalk could do when it launched, and they had no critical business need to make everyone else's platform better!
penguished@reddit
Still wild to me that Microsoft became so incredibly successful, while being so slow. I remember typing in DOS commands for years.
Savannah216@reddit
Microsoft are not and have never been a technology company, they're an old-fashioned consulting business with tech credentials. Google are an old-fashioned advertising business with code and vaporware.
They're slow by design because Gates understood that they could buy their way into new markets with a giant pile of cash e.g. Internet Explorer, XBox or gun for 5-10% market share e.g. Zune. CEOs since Gates forget this, especially Nadella, and are slowly killing the core blue chip software licensing and consulting business.
They didn't miss every major technological change, they weren't trying beyond a bit of R&D to keep the tech bona fides intact. The strategy failed around Zune because it simply wasn't a fashionable product and microsoft didn't understand how to market it that way.
ksuwildkat@reddit
I was a DOS power user and later a Windows 3.0 setup expert. This was back when you had to write a custom .pif for everything.
In 1992 I got a scholarship to attend Kansas State full time. I was a non-traditional student - 25 and newly married - and time in the computer lab mean time away from bride. One day I was walking past the student bookstore and there was a person there from Apple talking about the "Apple Student Loan" - a "low interest" loan from Apple to buy a computer. An hour later I had ordered a Macintosh IIvx, 14" monitor and a Personal LaserWriter LS. It was my first Mac.
I was VERY good at installing Windows 3.0. From start to finish it took me about 4 hours to get a system up to speed and working with a laser printer. I unpacked my IIvx and I was done with setup in 20 minutes. 18 of that was cabling and rereading the manual because I was sure I missed something. I have been 100% Mac at home since.
Windows 10 was the first version of Windows where I felt like Microsoft had caught up in ease of use. Search is still worse than MacOS 8 and anything with a PDF is an exercise in pain management. Windows 11 is a significant step backwards as well as being a privacy nightmare.
Windows will be safe because of the corporate moat for a very long time but I think the combination of MacOS, Linux and Chrome are going to capture more than 50% of the home market in the near future. Forget the raw sales numbers or browser use because corporate computers skew those massively. Look at the Porn Hub Blog (NSFW obvi) annual recap. Their numbers are pretty much home use.
ariadesitter@reddit
this type of history makes me believe that the early innovators aren’t necessarily the winners in a tech race.
Savannah216@reddit
The first computer mouse was invented in 1964 by Douglas Engelbart at the Stanford Research Institute.
The first precursor GUI was Ivan Sutherland’s Sketchpad at MIT which allowed users to interactively draw on a computer display using a light pen, followed by MoAD, the first true GUI was produced in 1973 for the Xerox Alto. The first time overlapping windows in a GUI came along was Bill Atkinson's LisaGraf/QuickDraw on the Apple Lisa (accidental, he thought incorrectly that Xerox had already done it).
Ethernet was invented in 1973 by Robert Metcalfe and David Boggs at Xerox PARC. Designed to connect early "Alto" computers and printers, the first functional prototype was deployed on November 11, 1973. It wasn't the Ethernet you know today - 2.94Mb/s over expensive coax cable.
The DIX (Digital, Intel, Xerox) standard didn't come along until 1980 and formed the basis of the first IEEE 802.3 standard ratified in 1983. The first commercial Ethernet products were released by 3Com (founded by Robert Metcalfe) in 1980. The Star 8010 was the first workstation to deploy Ethernet, but not the first computer or product.
Almost all of this was previewed in 1968's Mother of All Demos by Stanford Research Institute's Augmentation Research Center and DARPA. That led to the Apple Macintosh, the Atari ST, the Commodore Amiga, the Acorn Archimedes, and the Microsoft Windows graphical user interfaces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDv-zdhzMY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos
"The Mother of All Demos is a name given retrospectively to Douglas Engelbart's December 9, 1968, demonstration of experimental computer technologies that are now commonplace. The live demonstration featured the introduction of the computer mouse, video conferencing, teleconferencing, hypertext, word processing, hypermedia, object addressing and dynamic file linking, bootstrapping, and a collaborative real-time editor."
Icy-Astronomer-9814@reddit
I know it is debates who that had the first patents but we also need to mention this guy for his puck that is also part of the modern mouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A5kan_Lans
Savannah216@reddit
Eesh, the only thing he actually invented was patent trolling. Lans' filed local patents and attempted to leverage international companies with them, with hilairously little success.
Ivan Sutherland had already what Lans' claimed to have done for his PhD thesis in 1963, just with a pen. Douglas Englebart described in his note books on 14 November 1963 a 'bug', which is a "3-point" form could have a "drop point and 2 orthogonal wheels". He wrote that the "bug" would be "easier" and "more natural" to use, and unlike a stylus, it would stay still when let go, which meant it would be "much better for coordination with the keyboard". He was the guy who figured out how to translate potentiometer output into x-y coordinates.
It got the name mouse because it looked like one, but also because they referred to the cursor as "CAT" at the time.
Luca__B@reddit
leaving apart other considerations of who invented what
Xerox made the "Alto" in 1973 and already had the gui and the mouse...
HupfadeKroa@reddit
We do have three running stars
mikegalos@reddit
To be fair, while the Star was the first commercial implementation of the Xerox PARC GUI, it had been around inside PARC for several years and was demonstrated publicly in 1976 when Smalltalk-76 was first shown to the public at the NCC in New York.
This was, by the way, almost four years before the Apple delegation visited PARC. It was, in fact, the year before the Apple ][ was launched.
The Xerox PARC GUI was, despite folklore, not a deep dark secret that Jobs was privately shown and that gave him the idea for Lisa and Macintosh nor did Gates learn about it after Jobs visit. Everybody in the industry had at least seen photos and most videos of the Xerox GUI long before Apple and Microsoft started their GUI projects.
paleogames@reddit
Apparently agent Smith was already operating it
coastphase@reddit
This is why Xerox became the juggernaut of desktop computing.
What? It didn't?
ElectronGuru@reddit
These things were all happening in California. Management was all east coast and didn’t understand what they had.
Pirates of Silicon Valley explains some of this
InsensitiveClown@reddit
It was betamaxed.
coastphase@reddit
They could see that digital was the way of the future and got a good head start on the tech but just couldn't quite understand how it would fit with their copier business.
msgs@reddit
Ya, maybe the most classic example of the innovator's dilemma.
Xerox of course made products related to physical paper documents and the vision of these computers would be a direct threat to that business. But in fairness to the 50-60 year old Xerox decision makers at the time, the idea of ubiquitous networked computers probably seemed difficult believe.
tommythorn@reddit
I think a large part of the success of the "IBM PC Compatible" comes down to price and availability. It was easy to get started and you could mix brands. Going the Xerox route required going all-in and the minimal installation was easily 10X that of a single PC compatible. And you had to stay completely in the Xerox world; no 3rd party sw or hw. There simply wasn't enough value in Xerox's solution for this to make sense to most people.
Accurate-Campaign821@reddit
Pave the way as in let Microsoft buy the software? And release windows with it? OK maybe it wasn't THAT UI, but yea lol
Neat system though!
wiisucks_91@reddit
All so you could print to a networked Xerox printer.
Illustrious-Peak3822@reddit
Also networked laser printer.
wiisucks_91@reddit
Bing Bing Bing. Most likely the entire reason to bring them together.
msgs@reddit
Damn that GUI looks sexy and so modern (all in 1981)
chronos7000@reddit
The German firm Telefunken had been doing parallel development and first offered a mouse, called the Rollkugel, in 1968, although the earliest verified installation we know of was in '72. They did not patent it for whatever reason which may have interfered with its recognition as an early mouse.
Perhaps the earliest implementation of the notion of clicking on stuff was the enormous, networked Air Defense computer system from the 50s known as SAGE, the Semi-Automatic Ground Environment. It did not use a mouse per say, but a light gun with which the users "shot" interface elements. Some say that the introduction of the ballistic missile made it obsolete by the time it was installed, but it remains the progenitor of not just the GUI but also networked systems of both LAN: each site had two complete systems that operated in parallel to provide fault tolerance; and WAN: all systems across the country were networked together and could operate remotely with all functions available through the network, in at least once instance a site burned down and the second computer at the site my father was stationed at was able to take over for them, they ran that way for over a month while the damage was put right. The systems were individually fault-tolerant as well, technicians could even change faulty vacuum tubes while the system ran. It had a hard drive of sorts, one of the early spinning-drum type drives that were typical of very earl such systems, although I believe it used it in a slightly different fashion to modern hard drives. The main memory was ordinary core. Other potential firsts for SAGE include its capacity to play music on its many alarms and a program to draw a naked lady on the vector scope -when you "shot" her navel with the light gun she danced, so perhaps first computer porn as well.
My father served in the Air Force as a weapons controller, a role in which he used SAGE and this light gun. He came to be quite good at it, and eventually was tasked to teach others how to use the system. When the time came to develop a replacement, he sat on the panel designing it. He liked the light guns and lobbied for the next system (I want to say it was the BUIC but I seem to recall the last time I talked about it with him before he passed he said it was another system I don't remember) to use them, but trackballs were chosen instead. I don't know the specific reasons for the choice but I do know that the reason light guns and light pens fell out of favor generally is that frequent use of such devices was liable to cause a condition known as "Gorilla Arm", a type of cumulative trauma injury from reaching up towards a display monitor to use the pen or gun.
When SAGE was decommissioned, the Air Force got back more money in scrap, especially gold, for the system, and that was with practically everybody who could taking whatever was not nailed down or red hot, my father saved some panel buttons, the illuminated panel that marked his station, and an ash tray from the console. He was not able to get a light gun, and I tried to find one right up until he passed in '22 but the best I could come up with was someone selling the pickup tubes. One site out West got decommissioned early, and a great deal of its parts found their way into Hollywood movies as props, for instance you can see some radar scopes in Airplane! in the scene where a guy is putting his laundry into a washing machine set between the scopes. Invasion of the Bee Girls is the only other film I can think of at this time but there were tons and SAGE parts are probably still in many studio and independent property houses.
kwitcherbichen@reddit
I one summer in high school I used one of these and a Xerox 6085 at work. They seemed amazing at the time, the 6085 even had a PC emulator card. The company was using green screens and a Burroughs "medium" system to run everything (COBOL) and an executive introduced, iirc, four of these and two laser printers into the back office expecting it to change the way the office worked with shared documents and desktop publishing. The administrative assistants preferred their typewriters and inboxes.
A8Bit@reddit
The first WIMP GUI I ever used. it had a weird mouse that needed a special mousemat that was covered in dots for tracking. The dots would wear off the pads over time so we would photocopy a new pad and use the copy taped to a piece of plastic.
Fragholio@reddit
Man, they copied the hell out of that Xerox.
Academic-Shoulder308@reddit
classic
redditshreadit@reddit
And only $16,000, not too bad all things considered.
tedomeguri@reddit
It's important to remember that the Zerox STAR was one of the first devices to achieve "WYSIWYG" (What You See Is What You Get) functionality.