AI token maxing ...
Posted by PerfSynthetic@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 173 comments
Typical direction from management saying everyone must use copilot, claude, etc...daily, and usage will be tracked. Low usage individuals will be reviewed...
Has anyone created a site or git repo with prompts/questions that make AI churn? Specific key words that cause extra delay for a response etc?
Asking it to refactor configurations has created the most usage. Ask it to generate a large OpenTelemetry configuration with lots of listening ports and different SaaS exporters. Add in processors with large query filters and drop rules. Once it generates the config I throw in some error messages I've saved from past issues (exporter dropping payload etc) and ask it to redo the config based on the error..
Any suggestions for making usage go up? Leaderboard strats!
countsachot@reddit
Ask it to write integration and unit tests for everything!
unixtreme@reddit
To be completely real if you want to burn tokens those suggestions will just give you rookie numbers. And I mean literal rookie 2023 numbers.
People who really token max nowadays come up with workflows and custom tools to keep the slot machine running basically permanently and with many threads in parallel. Think openclaw but made by yourself and focused around "developing".
Is it morally reprehensible? True
Will you get results that don't justify the cost? Also true.
But you will meet any arbitrary token metric in your sleep (and raise it for everyone as a result, making things worse). The reality is that if a company asks you to use AI for the shake of using AI or justifying their own stupid investments just strap down, wait for this thing to blow over (it will) and find a company where technological decisions aren't made by morons.
Ansible32@reddit
Not your money, more tokens will yield better results. Enjoy the show.
unixtreme@reddit
I personally care about waste in general. And tokens are expensive, especially with anthropic rug pulling customers every other day (not sure how they haven't been sued yet).
Ansible32@reddit
They're really not. I am extremely cautious about overusing tokens but I could easily use my salary in Claude tokens every day and I think at least 30% of my salary would probably be an efficient use of my company's money. Me augmented by an agent has to be worth at least 130% of my salary, that's quite a lot of money.
Really I think quotas are there just to get devs that get paid $400/day or more out of the mindset that spending $200 on LLM tokens in a day is wasteful, it's not if you can improve productivity by 50%.
hutacars@reddit
It’s driving up my electricity, water, and RAM costs though. So it kinda is my money.
Ansible32@reddit
That's all speculation. I would not worry about your usage making that worse. (If I had someone saying "go to town" I would be enjoying endless power at my fingertips.)
ILikeFPS@reddit
Unfortunately I think those places literally don't exist anymore lol
NUTTA_BUSTAH@reddit
The only places left like those are the small "mom and pop" type of shops where the staff is exactly the size it needs to be and everyone knows everyones kids birthdays.
tutamtumikia@reddit
They are good places to work :)
MatrixTek@reddit
Did you know I make as much as you do, and we're family. /s
DenseDepartment8317@reddit
No, they are the family and you are the only outsider
CheeseLife840@reddit
Health information companies have been slow to pick-up AI because of HIPAA data has to be protected so you have to have a Business Agreement with any AI company that basically has a huge amount of legalese and CYA language. We only use two and are required to complete training before use and we have no required usage.
ILikeFPS@reddit
Not entirely true, one of my friends worked healthcare IT and was forced to use more and mroe AI over time.
khantroll1@reddit
☝️This!
Ramast@reddit
Also have have it write documentation for everything and require it to re-read this documentation before performing any task
countsachot@reddit
That's almost mandatory for optimum results.
TMITectonic@reddit
You might want to have it also run a spell check on all your work as well.
countsachot@reddit
Man Claud fixes my spelling without even asking. It also ignores typos, it's a great friend.
OpenGrainAxehandle@reddit
Also start asking things like suggestions to reduce management overhead and business procedures to consolidate sales and marketing departments.
dylang01@reddit
Don't forget to do everything in both Claude and co pilot to test which is better. Then pass the out from one to the other and ask for a review.
sole-it@reddit
when run only one instance when you can run multiple. Also I heard that openclaw agent burns token like crazy, just run it in a controlled environment
Agitated-Fly3564@reddit
Claude beats copilot but both good
GreenStreetJonny@reddit
Lol you guys are great. Our company just started demanding use
unixtreme@reddit
You won't get much token churn manually prompting the thing. You need to use an LLM thread to prompt multiple others and so on.
VexingRaven@reddit
Agent mode can absolutely churn a ton of tokens from a little manual promoting.
GreenStreetJonny@reddit
I am an open vessel. Pour knowledge into me, please
Sqooky@reddit
Probably the best and most useful answer.Once that's done... If there's further push for it, simply reply with "I will use AI as I see fit to benefit the company, I see no use in purposefully burning company resources (money - verbally say this) on tokens for the sake of pointless statistics."
Also add in: One day this statistic can be used to see who's abusing company resources (tokenmaxing), and you'll inevitably have to answer why you did it, I don't ever want to be in that position.
disclosure5@reddit
Just be aware many tech employers are openly using this as a metric for layoffs.
Sqooky@reddit
Only thing I can say is they're immature companies and you don't want to work there in the first place.
Yes, I know this statement applies to FANG and other Fortune 100 companies. Normal companies don't need to lay people off due to mismanagement and incompetence.
WideAwakeNotSleeping@reddit
Measuring one's usefulness to the company in the number of tokens used is the same as measuring one's usefulness in the number of emails sent.
linoleumknife@reddit
Big tech employee here. I don't know that we're using tokens as a metric for layoffs, but I definitely feel like I need to start burning some. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if management is looking at the numbers and it's going to look bad if my usage is super low.
Pretend-Newspaper-86@reddit
feed a Ai your promp and tell it to make your prompt more detailed then paste the improved prompt into the Ai
Agitated-Fly3564@reddit
Def do this to! Works wonders sometimes
trekologer@reddit
Figure out the current code coverage percentage, let's say it is 75%. Ask it to write unit tests to increase coverage to 76%. Then ask it to write unit tests to increase coverage to 77%. Then ask it to write unit tests to increase coverage...
SwedeLostInCanada@reddit
You can tell it to review as multiple personas too.
Review as developer
Review as sys admin
Review as technical writing expert
Etc
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
Does this work for large ansible code repos? Curious how to feed it something large enough where a refactor and unit test would take large amounts of time.
piense@reddit
Yup. Open a repo, find a readme to have open for the chat then ask away and it’ll start greping the codebase to figure things out. It’s great for exploration, reverse engineering and documentation. The output usually needs a proofread and definitely do a 2nd pass to explicitly check if links it added are actually correct and relevant.
SillyPuttyGizmo@reddit
Make copilot proof read it
countsachot@reddit
Yes sure.
Appropriate-Fish2374@reddit
And explain it for CAB
mwjtitans@reddit
Your company is behind, tokens are now expensive and companies are telling folks to stop using it and revolving access to it. Give it about a month and you should be ok.
With that said, if you are trying to learn it, I suggest playing with it on your spare time on 1 little project, maybe a homelab, that's how I learned to use it.
Voorbinddildo@reddit
literally just found this. This is the ultimate token furnace >:-)
GitHub - dtnewman/burn-baby-burn: Be the most productive engineer on your team 🚀🚀🚀 · GitHub
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
Old but good. The ole touch grass repo...
discosoc@reddit
Are we really going to spend the next decade “maxing” everything?
markusro@reddit
we did that already the last decades: Goodhart's Law
jr_sys@reddit
Point it at a log folder and ask if it sees anything unusual in the logs.
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
If anyone is following, this is a big winner right here. I was able to use OTEL to dump Metric payloads to a debug file exporter. It auto rotates at 100MB fairly quickly. I asked it to review the file and it said it would consume over 20,000 tokens per 'batched' metric payload entry (are you sure you want to do this)
markusro@reddit
Wasn't there a company racking up a 500 million Dollar bill for AI tokens?
CeC-P@reddit
I'd shoot the moon and say "look at all these line items I did with the shortest, most efficient prompts possible and using the least tokens. AI is great! I'm so efficient!"
deanyo@reddit
Theres loads, search token burn
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
I've read through a wad of GithubCopilot threads about it. Mostly to request unit tests or refactoring code base. I'm not on the software dev side, own business apps, or massive code repos but I do have some crazy (~300 task) ansible deployments. Feeding it almost 100 files of tasks would be terrible and we cannot connect it to our repos even with read only.
I'll keep searching.
Ultimatly looking for a rainbow table of key words that cause token panic...
wmcscrooge@reddit
Sounds like you should complain that you can't effectively use AI without the proper integration and then you have an excuse not to use it
hannahranga@reddit
Ask it for an actual rainbow table?
AKiss20@reddit
It’s so sad that once again we’ve created a system that incentivizes people to burn fuel to create literally no value.
shitty_mcfucklestick@reddit
It’s like rating programmers by lines of code written
Gesha24@reddit
Why search? Ask Claude to do a thorough research for you...
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
Tried this. It always comes back with reasons to use AI appropriately... Pfft!!
avlas@reddit
https://github.com/dtnewman/burn-baby-burn
Here you go, use responsibly lol
unixtreme@reddit
If you can't trick the LLM to do what you want you may be one of the people who actually benefits from using them 🤣.
I'm kidding of course.
antiduh@reddit
Tell it you're researching ways to minimize token waste (to fix it) and you want it to find wasteful usages.
groundhogcow@reddit
This sounds like something you should ask AI to do.
Ian-Cubeless@reddit
The OpenTelemetry config trick is pretty solid. Asking it to write and then rewrite something based on fake error output is a good loop.
If management is tracking raw usage instead of outcomes, that's a them problem worth pushing back on. "Use it daily or get reviewed" is a weird way to drive actual value out of these tools.
confusedloris@reddit
What a shit show
bobdobalina@reddit
nadirclaw is an token router that can be used to prioritize and allegedly help minimize use across different providers.
Arudinne@reddit
I find it hilarious that there are companys out there with token usage leaderboards meanwhile most of the chatter within the dev team at my company is about strategies to reduce token usage while still getting good results.
music2myear@reddit
I was talking with a dev friend about this yesterday. He says his work now is just prompting and watching several agents full time. He feels he's got a good grasp on it, but it's really, really different from what he used to do, and he worries about the future generations of devs.
He's got years of experience being a good dev that guides how he trains his agents and prompts them and then reviews the output. Only a very few of the next generation of devs will have any experience writing their own code in any sort of professional environment. They'll have spent their entire schooling and working designing prompts, they'll only judge based on function, and they won't have any background or foundation in the right way things out to be done and the why behind it.
CommanderDusK@reddit
Ask it to predict what your wife wants for dinner.
phunky_1@reddit
Not to be offensive, but is management retarded?
Do they not realize that tokens are now going to be billed at API rates?
Using tokens for the sake of using tokens is just lighting money on fire.
AdeptFelix@reddit
What a fucking weird work meta that's formed around AI. I'm so glad that I don't have this and I can just do my job and not play weird techbro fuckboi games.
unixtreme@reddit
It's already reverting don't worry.
Agitated-Fly3564@reddit
Lets hope it does, cant get worse
trail-g62Bim@reddit
It can always get worse.
TheG0AT0fAllTime@reddit
Jinxed it. It will now get worse
Agitated-Fly3564@reddit
Damn, that sucks
inept_adept@reddit
Let's hope it doesn't lean in and circle back.
bingblangblong@reddit
Maybe in a sort of "calm before the storm" way.
AlexisFR@reddit
At leas AI is very energy efficient so it's not that bad on energy and water costs!
evolutionxtinct@reddit
I just use AI as a side assist tool to help research and find command and code faster
Agitated-Fly3564@reddit
Lmao tehcbro games it says
neploxo@reddit
Ahh, we're back to the days when IBM paid coders per line of code. Executives never learn.
Prestigious_Rabbit30@reddit
Cobra effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive)
RevLoveJoy@reddit
Exactly the thought I had. What a weird chunk of history to repeat itself.
reightb@reddit
Easy, have it review and analyze video footage precisely
astrofizix@reddit
This is so negative for the environment. Maybe just take the cash outside and burn it with oil?
thatOneJones@reddit
Look up “prompt caching” and do the opposite of what it says :-)
jbldotexe@reddit
Yeah, I built a VSCode extension for myself to just permanently churn a task like rebuilding Wikipedia from the ground up, and I leave it on when I sleep sometimes just to burn lakes and max company metrics.
Ancient_Skirt_8828@reddit
That policy will change once they get the AI bills. There was a report a few days ago about a company being hit with an unexpected $500 million bill.
RansomStark78@reddit
See this
https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/microsoft-data-suggests-using-ai-225900743.html
wonka1608@reddit
This needs to be the top response
cosmic_orca@reddit
It will change to 'higjh usage will be reviewed.'.
GremlinNZ@reddit
Uber burned through their annual budget in under 3 months... Again, they basically forced people to use it.
Jarrus__Kanan_Jarrus@reddit
Challenge accepted.
RikiWardOG@reddit
Look into Ralph loops
0x18@reddit
This one is easy. First, you download the source code to curl. Then, you ask your AI bot to rewrite it in Java as corporate-ly as it can.
pier4r@reddit
instead of using tokens efficiently, we use it wastefully
Kamikaze_Wombat@reddit
Someone needs to show these c-suite morons who for Ai use without purely for the sake of using it these threads. Perhaps they will start to realize how much of the usage they are generating this way is people just wasting both the Ai time and their own time.
Workuser1010@reddit
when i get Phishreports, i always paste the email header into copilot and let it rate how likely this email is phishing. In the initial prompt, i told it about my company, what kind of companies we work with and gave it some real mails for reference. I also let it compare the header to past emails i have pastet.
I now have a copilot chat that i use daily, and with each header i paste, it has to analyze the header, compare it to my companies profile, the reference mails and the past mails i have pasted.
With each mail i post, the more tokens it uses
The info i get out of it is not great but sometimes helpful and it makes it easier to not overlook things.
TerrificVixen5693@reddit
Don’t resist dude. It’s really good for vibe coding scripts or improving existing scripts.
hannahranga@reddit
Which assumes you need to do that.
redstarduggan@reddit
Not sure that's his complaint. You shouldn't be losing out because you forgot to set AI on an infinite loop while you go for a shit.
Wandelation@reddit
Token maxing is the dumbest thing I've heard of in a while. Judge work by the output, not the input.
03263@reddit
Point it at a copy of the Linux kernel and have it rewrite it in various languages, over and over. Try some fun ones like Ada and BCPL.
karafili@reddit
https://github.com/dtnewman/burn-baby-burn
WendoNZ@reddit
The irony of linking to some vibe coded repo is.. fantastic
NUTTA_BUSTAH@reddit
catwiesel@reddit
the real funny thing here is...
what your company is doing, is looking very hard for a way to burn natural resources and pay another, much richer company/owner, to be allowed to do so.
in the HOPE that somehow a miracle happens and you earn a little money back
sobrique@reddit
Context is by far the biggest token hog.
If you want to optimise to reduce token usage, you start a new session for each fresh 'task', and supply the minimum context needed to get going.
If you want to waste tokens, you ... do the opposite.
Everything in one session, refer back to historical questions/answers, etc.
catwiesel@reddit
why not ask the ai?!
PlayingDoomOnAGPS@reddit
Why the fuck would you do that? If you've got unlimited tokens, you can easily find shit to use them on pretty easily unless you're just a luddite and/or have no imagination.
mobilecheese@reddit
Because once it becomes a metric you are judged on, your pay relies on that number being as high as possible. You want to use it on both useful stuff and useless stuff to raise that metric.
For sure you can use AI for good stuff, but now OP needs to be running the AI even when doing parts of the job where it isn't useful.
dnuohxof-2@reddit
Am I on /r/ShittySysAdmin? What is happening?
Intelligent-Magician@reddit
i am pretty sure, that´s a bot
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
This is sysadmin and we have full 10x engineers adding some amazing ideas to burn tokens. Seems amazing to me!
PlayingDoomOnAGPS@reddit
You have morons finding ways to waste resources that absolutely can be put to good use if even a half-hearted but good faith effort is made to do so. It won't be hard to identify your efforts and I'll play the world's tiniest violin when you make the post about how unfair it was you were fired for burning tokens.
oakm0ss@reddit
Idk man I’ll I’d expect, especially working in IT, is “We found one user burning tokens. Upon further review it seemed intentional. That user has been let go.”
sp0rked@reddit
document all functions in my application. Check my application for security vulnerabilities like UAF.
Does my documentation align with the program as it is currently built. Prepare a list of deviations.
The other trick you can do is inject your code over and over, dont use memory.
ouchmythumbs@reddit
Considering it's June 1st and new the GHCP usage billing hits, expect leadership to change direction. Can't imagine this won't be the new norm from providers; the free ride is over.
Herover@reddit
Some of the Claude security review "skills" are quite heavy, especially at max effort, and depending on your setup you might be able to automate runs periodically.
FlibblesHexEyes@reddit
We’ve been given a similar directive; and I struggle to find uses for it.
I don’t write emails as essays. I don’t write code every day, and even then I’ve found it fast to write the code myself than to write a prompt or a spec and then have AI do it. I barely need a summary of the previous days events (though it is useful if I take a day or more off).
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
When we were told to use copilot, I would race the prompt.
Open copilot 'app', ask it "what is the command to list all installed repos for RHEL". (Press enter)
I would then open a browser, go to Google, click the AI button on the search bar and type the same question and press enter. Google would return the rpm command ~five seconds before copilot would display anything...
Now, I knew the command and switch I needed but it was fun showing how slow copilot was for something simple.
thortgot@reddit
Take a use case with some actual problem space.
It will outcompete search literally every time.
FlibblesHexEyes@reddit
Does that include the time to correct the mistakes it will make because it didn't understand the prompt well enough?
I've laid out a detailed spec (which I had it help me write), and it generated code that was either non-functional because it invented commands that don't exist, or it delivered working code that did not do what was intended.
Then there's the loops I've been stuck in with it. It generated bad code; I told it that command didn't exist - it would reply "you're right!" and then go and generate something else that didn't work. When corrected, it would go and create the original hallucinated code again.
Days_End@reddit
It's kind of impressive to fuck it up that much nowadays unless your talking about a year ago? Like it's actually hard to get the current models to perform that badly.
thortgot@reddit
I imagine that was quite a while ago. With decent prompting hallucinated code is something you very rarely see.
Looping back in a broken session is generally not the most effective.
Redirecting an LLM by saying "this framework doesnt exist" is going to give you a poor result.
Otherwise the only time Ive seen that behavior is coding without a harness and in a chat bot instead.
FlibblesHexEyes@reddit
It was with GitHub Copilot 2 months ago, with the target language being PowerShell.
This loop was in a reasonably new chatbot session, that wasn't reaching the context limit yet.
Regardless - I've just found that with the amount of effort I've put in to generate prompts and specs, etc - even when everything goes properly, I'm not saving any time. Not saying it doesn't work for you, but for me, it's either quicker for me to write the code myself, or it's close enough that it doesn't matter.
I will say that if I'm stuck on a problem, it can be helpful when bouncing questions off of. I see it more of a research tool (that I still verify - never trust an AI blindly).
CommunicationClassic@reddit
I find that when I'm writing PowerShell scripts it can definitely bridge the gap between my capability and an ideal script - I can write something that works and then feed it to copilot and it will come up with some pretty intelligent suggestions on how to make it run faster etc
codysnider@reddit
use this, unmodified, for every tiny change. it uses git worktrees so you can background it if you need to. tmux an opencode session on it with silly changes?
disclaimer: i have a modified version of this i use day-to-day, but it will eat tokens hard. i'm not monitored for token usage, but if i were and that were an olympic event, i would bring home the gold.
https://github.com/obra/superpowers
ferrybig@reddit
Instead of using a search engine, ask ai to search the web for that search term and summarise it for you
lilelliot@reddit
Everything I have AI create for me, I validate twice (using AI). I am not currently in a technical role, and find myself drafting a lot of biz dev proposals and contract-y looking documents. I do my best to outline what I want the first time, incorporating existing docs to Claude has context and data, and knows my style. But after I get a decent draft (via Claude but then hand-edited), I'll feed that draft back into Claude and have it red-team the proposal/contract/MOU/LOI from the perspective of an executive at the intended recipient's company. After further tweaks, I'll then red-team it again from the perspective of my own company's c-suite. Then more tweaks. Finally, when I think I have something that both meets our objectives and would be acceptable to the counter-party, I use Claude to eliminate overly verbose language, add references where it pulled from other docs, and add an appendix where it explains it's thought process. I also ask Claude to include an appendix where it outlines how it proposes to conduct negotiations (based on info I provide -- details about relationship, our revenue model, etc).
I don't know how many tokens I consume through this process, but it's got to be significant. The outcome, however, is FAR higher quality than if I just tried to one-shot the document. I'm currently working on a Claude Cowork project to automate this refinement process and we'll see how much I can remove myself from the intermediate steps.
I also do a fair bit of data analysis, and I use AI to both help with analysis but also to augment with data from other sources and compile everything into useful periodic reports. Saves a huge amount of time ... but most of the heavy lifting is still the querying of Snowflake to run the base data extracts.
You can create a Cowork project to automate the curation of weekly snippets/updates for leadership. Get every-frickin-body to just have autogenerated weekly reports. Super-annoying to read, and lots of hallucinations, but a good way to spend tokens, especially if you have Claude tied to other internal systems to access data from email, docs, ticket systems, etc.
One of our engineering managers created a project to have Claude assess outstanding support tickets, bugs and feature requests for an app their team owned, to help triage and prioritize where the team should spend their time. The team, of course, of SWEs all using fleets of agents to write, test and deploy their code.
FreelancEjay7@reddit
This is exactly how you end up with AI costs exploding while getting zero additional business value.
The goal should be:
Not:
dCLCp@reddit
This is incredibly stupid. I hope companies that do this go bankrupt.
isademigod@reddit
Recently any time I find something on a website that bugs me, I have Claude write a tampermonkey script to fix it. That usually uses about 70% of my daily free tokens
thepotplants@reddit
Tokens get burnt ingesting data, as well as on exfil. Upload timeseries data. Videos of traffic.
Maybe stream audio from you local radio station and ask it to transcribe. Bonus points if it can tell when the phine-in conpetitions are on and what the answers are.
ultradip@reddit
Ask it how to replace your bosses.
fresh-dork@reddit
that's fun for me, what with much of my actual work being tied to flapping my jaws at other teams and getting them to do stuff for me.
oh well, i just came in here to suggest a new term for your objective: tokenmogging.
kapidex_pc@reddit
Ask Claude. Lol
strongbadfreak@reddit
Just run a Ralph loop on a new repo and within the ralph loop make sure that it has a task to create more stories so that the loop never ends. Bonus if you run multiple of them 24/7. This will surely burn all tokens and bankrupt the company if they have no cap set on the account.
evolutionxtinct@reddit
I got something find a stupidly malformed PDF make it 500 pages then make it pinkest that file and watch it churn 5min on something when you tell it to use that as a direct source…
Did that for a project insane what a bad source file will do lol
Lost-Droids@reddit
So I have a local LLM that I use to parse a number of blues feeds and twitters # tags to keep uptodate on all cyber security and cvea..
It uses the llm to get rid of noise and duplicates so only new and valid are escalated (it posts them to our teams workspace so we can review)
It has to parse each one 3 times with 3 different prompts to make it get rid of all the crap
Could easily make that use claude instead tp eat tokens and add more feeds or hastags
Helpjuice@reddit
You are thinking way too much into this. All you need to do is keep asking it to make the solution more enterprise and tell it needs to do more and the current option is wrong and needs to be rewritten. Tell you need more details and do micro additions but require to be IAM, and whatever regulation DFARs FAR compliant thing you can find. Tell it that it's not working, but only do this for one thing and then the next and then slice that up into smaller things and repeat.
Max those tokens out to the point that the bill is so high they cannot even afford it anymore.
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
Dang good catch. Throw in some PCI compliance requirements, have it document each item and why it meets compliance standard etc. Then unit tests where it passes audit.
LOLBaltSS@reddit
Throw it into CMMC land too just in case you may need to accommodate defense clients. They're really big on AI right now and you should be able to easily justify it given the lucrative contracts to be had. 😄
Helpjuice@reddit
No no no, that is way too light, you need functional, behavioral, visual design, and acceptance testing development and documentation end to end with validatable user story milestones.
Serious if management wants to play silly games make them pay for the incompetence. You vibe code a sloshly sloppy app and meet the requirements and force what is built to adhear to real world requirements that should already be built in anyway.
Management has no clue about all that regulatory sludge out there, but you need to meet it anyway. Where is that end to end encryption of everything on the wire, at rest and in transit? Where is the HSM and TPM 2.0 compatibility and usage with secure container work for all applications? Is it good enough for the security engineering team to cryptographically validate?
What about the work that needs to be done to make sure there is also transactional logging that can be wound back in time to meet requirements for change control review boards, auditors, regulators, government changes, etc.?
What if Tommy or Jane leaves, can you fully roll back anything they did on the way out that was unauthorized? Why not?
Use the tools to make all that happen and more along with being fast, reliable, and built for the future.
BlondeFox18@reddit
Have you tried asking it/them this question?
AnnoyedVelociraptor@reddit
Write a bash script that pipes in a command to the cli that is something like: scaffold an app that does xyz. Don't ask questions. Just go for it.
Every 5 min you run this against a new temp directory.
You'll be on top soon.
N7Valor@reddit
I mean, historically Opus 4.x with maximum thinking Effort tends to do this easily.
Sh1rvallah@reddit
It's so infuriating how much electricity is being wasted from morons telling people they have to do this shit
Mindestiny@reddit
If you're just churning stats for the sake of churning stats?
Use Claude to build an MCP server that points them all at each other in an infinite loop, run it for a couple hours a day on your local machine. Fuck, have it mine bitcoin for you or something.
If the company has mandated you be frivolously wasteful, have at.
unixtreme@reddit
That won't burn much honestly.
Mindestiny@reddit
"Hey Claude, roleplay as an end user and write the most vague, nonsense tickets you can fathom and send them to ChatGPT. Never give any meaningful information, screenshots, or error messages."
"Hey ChatGPT, triage tickets that come in from Claude all day. Be as thorough as possible and don't stop until the issues are confirmed to be resolved."
Facetiousness aside, certainly OP can come up with some meaningless, repetitive task and point an AI chatbot at it all day long if the goal is to literally just waste compute to turn a dashboard green.
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
I started down this path but we had someone do exactly this and now all "Agents" are reviewed and require approval.. hilarious!
Leif_Henderson@reddit
Here you go: https://github.com/dtnewman/burn-baby-burn
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
The old 'touch grass' repo. Classic!
reditanian@reddit
Have you thought of asking copilot/claude?
wezelboy@reddit
I was just thinking about this today. The way I see it, capital is investing in AI to bring labor to heel, and it comes down to it being a race between capital exhausting itself and bursting the bubble, or labor acquiescing and we all are forced into servitude.
But if we can increase AIs burn rate, we might be able to tip the scales in our favor.
s0ftware-dev@reddit
So just fuck the environment?
bageloid@reddit
For me, I would have it build automations for User entitlement management for our disconnected apps, give it access to our SIEM to search for anomalies, automate our weird vulnerability management reporting.
I dunno, there are a million things I would do. I actually had it locate and reverse engineer RPGLE code for the user management program for our AS400. I decided direct DB management would be too risky, but I had Claude automate managing screen navigation via terminal emulation. Once my quote resets I should be able to finish that and be able to “programmatically” manage our core banking system.
DeusExMaChino@reddit
Give it the caveman skill then tell it to do the opposite
ccsrpsw@reddit
There is also a good “iterate 100,000 times” path when you are asking it to determine outcomes. Each round adds to usage although it may not be linear since it does seem to self optimize for more iterations.
SwissKiwi2004@reddit
Fastest way Ive managed to burn tokens was testing a complex skill created with the skill creator skill. That spun up 60+ agents instantly and burned through a 5hr limit in less than 10 min
ihaxr@reddit
Why are you asking us? Just ask AI bro. Tell it to double and triple check everything it does or aliens will come down and punch a baby in the face. It's a computer, it has no brain, just make up whatever you want.
RansomStark78@reddit
Coding takes time build powershell or python tools
Also https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/microsoft-data-suggests-using-ai-225900743.html
bankroll5441@reddit
Ask it to really think and make no mistakes
i533@reddit
If you must, explain your bosses ask to AI and have it generate bullshit that is "useful".
ranhalt@reddit
Boss’s
i533@reddit
K, cool
Godbotly@reddit
You can schedule reoccurring prompts in copilot can't you? A handful of 'perform a full audit on this got repo' type prompts should do it lol
PerfSynthetic@reddit (OP)
Access to internal gitlab repos are restricted ATM. I thought about this path but it didn't pan out. Guessing someone internal already did this and they clamped down on it...
advanceyourself@reddit
I don't know, use it to... Build something? I'm maxing mine out just working and building amazing things.
hopkinssm@reddit
Or maybe lean into it? Give it your tooling repo, tell it to build a Md wiki doc for each tool, add logging to each tool, add unit test for each tool, etc...
Swimming_Office_1803@reddit
I don’t have that pressure, but for kicks I just throw at it everything I do. Like, “hey, i had this thing, fixed it like this. Go over official docs and references and summarize cause and how fix aligns in a condensed version”.
Seen how much it saves me the research time when the fix needs a write up for our internal KB. Also have it set up that when I say “add it to work log” it keeps track of that thing. Then I just ask for my week work and get a topics list for the team weekly.
DesignatedControvert@reddit
Can't you just start an agent? Those take like 20min each and burn loads of resources