I thought Rama was a good guy??
Posted by EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 97 comments
Lately I'm getting content about Albania getting sold to Israel. I need more context.
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Flimsy-Resident261@reddit
No land has been given to Israel (the country), Kushner and 2 Qatari billionaires are behind this. A lot of Albanians are pushing this sort of propaganda to help raise awareness and some exaggeration and fear as well since some months ago he went to Israel and told them “come invest in Albania”.
The problem is:
they went there and put up fences (even on the sea), no signs of what construction will be done(required by law), a “protected zone” but they changed the law to built in these area, makes 0 sense.
We also don’t like Rama and this situation will be perfect to remove him once and for all.
abkhazlinuxguy@reddit
This is AI, but there's definitely some bullshit going on over there. Zvernec was protected land until 2024 until it was (dubiously) privatized and it's now getting sold to foreign investors for luxury resorts which won't help anyone in the region. Textbook corruption.
abkhazlinuxguy@reddit
Also, Edi Rama is not a good guy. He's a Balkan politician. Anyone who can bring actual good changes to the region are either in prison or silenced in some other way.
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
Why post AI photos of things that are not true though?
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
And that's the reason people are raising awareness online? I'm just asking for context.
Elmalukat@reddit
Because that photo is not real. You are manipulating.
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
It’s misinformation and AI misuse this is the context
It’s billions of dollars of investment,potentially the biggest investment even in europe for the tourism sector
I understand some people are upset ,but these are things that happen and have happened in many places
ElevatorBrief@reddit
Ik e loqe! Bqir
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
I see. I did not get this perspective before. Thanks.
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
this is AI there is no context
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
And why the protests?
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
THIS IS AI.... what you don't understand?
jesushatedbacon@reddit
It was privatized in shady ways. It was protected land until 2024.
That said, opposition is in on this so there's nothing anybody can do.
Full-Rice-9287@reddit
The Israel part is bullshit, as much as Rama being a good guy is. The whole Israel stories is part of the insane propaganda machine that misleads the public, to then easily discredit actual concerns and problems.
What is happening is that through a sophisticated machinery of corruption, fraud, land grab, disregard for the rule of law both national and international, the Albanian government has enabled private entities that from investigations so far are mostly Albanian criminals and oligarchs, to privatize a protected natural reserve, to build a fucking resort.
The fault is always internal.
Kinetic_Result9@reddit
They already sold themselves to the Turks,now Israeli
Kaamos_666@reddit
Turks are not your enemy though.
Kinetic_Result9@reddit
They are the dirty ex colonizer who try to stole back what they stole before not better than the one mentioned in this IA fake news
Kaamos_666@reddit
You are confusing colonization with annexation
Kinetic_Result9@reddit
Different name,same shit.I’m sure you wouldn’t say the same about what Israel do in the West Bank and Gaza
Kaamos_666@reddit
Yes, I wouldn’t. Because we are not in the age of empires anymore, and we don’t go annex other people.
Bogug@reddit
This is fake and this fake news.
holyrs90@reddit
Context:
Biggest tourism investment in albania, could raise gdp by 5%
Problem, protected Area.
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
So people against it are general public? Opposition? Or only environmentalists?
holyrs90@reddit
Idk honestly, personally i think it should be built, usually its activists and envoirmentalists. Snall oppositions parties aswell.
The big oppositions party has not spoken bcs they want good relationship with Trump , due to their leader being persona nongrata in the US and UK, so he is hopping for its removal, bcs Trumps son in law, J. Kushner is building it.
General Public sentiment i cant tell, but for sure reddit is against it 😂
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
I see. The reason why I ask is that the perspective we get here from social media and even the news is that there is this huge protest going on in general in Albania due to this. That's why I wanted the first hand perspective and what I got here is very surprising because it's completely opposite of the perspective I had before. I'm sorry I got into internal affairs of your country, I did not mean to upset anyone.
crivycouriac@reddit
So this is actually Israeli overseas territory now? Albania actually shrunk?
Gloomy-Statement-193@reddit
Don't know if it's real or not but Izrael has at least one island in Croatia, near Šibenik. I worked at the wedding and the whole island is their property, no Croatian or English only Israeli language for signs and everything. Doesn't mean it's territory of Israel, but rich Israelis are buying islands and pieces of land and people who live here are not even allowed there. And then they are shocked why people don't like them (even if you remove genocide from equation)
deviendrais@reddit
I checked on google maps and I didn't find any signs in Hebrew. Only Croatian and English and some in Italian and German too
Gloomy-Statement-193@reddit
I must say that was over 10 years ago, and don't know when the images from but I remember signs were all in Hebrew and underneath were translations in small fonts in different languages (I think?). I have a pic somewhere gods know where on my pc if I find it I will post it.
deviendrais@reddit
Street view is from November 2022. Honestly it wouldn't even surprise me. Many signs on Cyprus are also in Russian because of the sheer amount of Russian tourists
MapResponsible6057@reddit
What island is that?
Gloomy-Statement-193@reddit
https://obonjan.hr/hr/obonjan-island/
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
As I understand Israel is buying land all over the world including Argentina.
Ok-Fuel-9357@reddit
Smartest bosnian
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
No need for insults. You guys are getting very triggered. I'm wondering why.
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
because you posting fake news dude... you still don't get it
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
And you don't get how much of this content we are getting. I'm only asking why???
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
Why what? why you posting bullshit and fake news? ask yourself that
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Also AI?
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
Don't know... need to check... but what you posted previously was definitely AI
RandomRavenboi@reddit
No. It's AI: https://faktoje.al/e-gjeneruar-kjo-tabele-me-flamurin-izraelit-ne-kufirin-e-zvernecit/
OP is just spreading bullshit.
bittenByTheIRONBUG_@reddit
They have to try with "nato heljp, nato heljp". It worked in the past.
ByteAxon@reddit
Just like they did with Palestine Albania will case to exist in 200\~ years GG
Sharp-Membership-633@reddit
Plot twist: Kosovo is Israel
It was promised to them by the first Serbs.
Additional-Peace-809@reddit
The first of course being god himself
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Finally someone insightful.
liberalskateboardist@reddit
kosovo- balkan israel hehe
Syrmin@reddit
I mean that really look like Greek flag though
Express-Tension2867@reddit
No he isn’t. Never was.
Albenz_@reddit
It’s not being sold to Israelis, but it is protected land being sold, which will only increase edi ramas wealth.
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
That's the context I'm looking for. Wow people are so easily triggered here.
FlameReflex@reddit
Buddy you made an assumption instead of asking a proper “question”
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Define a "proper question"?
FlameReflex@reddit
if you had asked "I thought Rama was a good guy?" that can pass as a question, i can understand that, but putting a picture thats more like an accusation and saying "I thought Rama was a good guy??" is not a question imo especially with double question mark just makes it seem like pointing fingers. but this is the internet you can say whatever you want but dont look confused when people get mad or triggered
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
something that is not fake
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
this is AI there is no context
lyrics85@reddit
Rama is selling the Sazan Island [570 hectares] and Zvernec village [400-600 hectares] to Affinity Partners - an investment firm owned by Jared Kushner (Trump's son-in-law)
Most Albanians are against this project because we are essentially giving away thousands of hectares of prime land, and there's no transparency. Rama has also broken environmental laws, including EU laws, to push this project forward.
Now Affinity partners have Arab investors. But who knows who might be involved in this deal?
We don't know for sure if Israelis are behind this, but Kushner [and his Gulf States investors] are, as are Albanian oligarchs.
PS: I would love it if Israel was involved because that way we would have the necessary support from the West to stop this horrible project, but so far there's not enough proof.
And as always, European leaders keep blowing Rama for money.
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Thank you! A civilized one!
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Thanks guys. I got enough context. If you look closer before getting triggered, I did not claim anything. I'm also asking why there is so much content like this. Simply looking for a first hand perspective. You guys are not friendly. Your 5 stars hotels will not help you be hospitable.
And sorry for making a joke about daddy Rama. I was actually really impressed by how well Albania was doing. Now I know better, never to go there.
Substratas@reddit
It’s AI. Please stop spreading bullcrap.
keepinitreal6562@reddit
Probably a certain group thinks Edi R was given to them 3000 years ago
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
This is AI... OP spreading misinformation
AdvantageStatus4635@reddit
well I heard Albania will get big Trump hotel, while Serbia lost its billion dollar deal due to stupid opposition.
Sharp-Membership-633@reddit
are u pro Vucic ?
liberalskateboardist@reddit
reddit serbians usually are. pro vucic and pro putin
Sharp-Membership-633@reddit
Caci Reddit brigade
No-Example-5107@reddit
That image is AI generated.
theTRULYdeadguy876@reddit
This is Ai and not true
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Captain obvious.
NidzoMadjija@reddit
He thought rama was a good guy 🤭
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
Exactly because he hasn’t heard about Vucic 🤭who’s getting serbia closer and closer to EU membership,day by day or maybe not
NidzoMadjija@reddit
And what do vuqiqi and serbia have to do with this exactly?
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
I was just impressed by Albanias development. That's all I know. That's why I'm looking for more info. But everyone is just so hostile, wow!
Adventurous_Edge2800@reddit
I love that the nails in the corners that are nailed into the air. Please guys, it's AI...
Real picture is Island of Zvernec, the sign is laughably wrong, flags placement, the English language
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Well to be fair I did not ask specifically about this photo. I'm asking in general why is there so much content from Albania about this.
mpampistheplumber69@reddit
AI or not, i hope this is not true and never be true. Stay safe my Albanian friends🧡
Einherjeren@reddit
thanasis87kav@reddit
Uhm, no he isn't?
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
Why you posting AI? sorry but you failed and this doesn't exist
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
It's just s type of content I'm getting. I did not create it. For sure there is a story behind it.
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
I didn't say you created it... I said you posted it
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
I'm just asking for context as there is something going on. You're being very hostile.
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
It is AI and bullshit... there is no context... wtf you talking about
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Alright. Thanks
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
Where is the "sorry"?
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
No sorry for rude people.
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
Don't post fake news if you want me to be rude to you
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
So why are people protesting? And sharing awareness online? All fake news?
Simple_Emotion_3152@reddit
Don't know but it is sure not because of some fake AI picture
Dix_PourCent@reddit
Some land owner in a nature reserve has decided to give his land for development to Jared Kushner… to build luxury residences. That’s all.
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/th83IhKtkvQ
I saw this clip about Edi Rama calling America one of the 3 devil lol.
freddo_expresso@reddit
EnvironmentalPhoto73@reddit (OP)
Albania was doing so well lately and he's the leader. Yeah I see it's AI, there is a lot of content with similar thematic lately I'm just asking for context.
freddo_expresso@reddit
Hmm Albania has the potential to develop its tourism sector, but I don't agree on how rapidly and commercially it develops.
Albania is repeating our mistake, vacationing in their own country will practically become impossible due to the prices targeting foreigners.
Cickanykoma@reddit
Rama was just a margarine.
44-47-25_N_20-28-5-E@reddit
My respect for Albanians (It always existed, I'm one of those guys who have traveled enough that thay have friends everywhere) 📈📈📈📈