US to JP Help - Negotiating an Intl Executive offer
Posted by SensitiveLevel9249@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 7 comments
TLDR: 10 interviews deep on a US to JP leadership role. Company flagged comp challenges, ignored two asks for package details, and a trip to JP office is not part of the evaluation process. I have a competing offer. How do I get clarity before going further given the gravity of relo/role?
--Moving toward offer for a leadership role in JP with a large US company. Process is led by JP entity with global sign-off. 10 interviews. TA shared comp challenges due to market differences with latest update.
The problem: I've asked comp/relo alignment early in process (expat vs. local etc) and ignored both times. Process has dragged on and interviews have left little space for me to evaluate, and I have lingering strategic questions.
I also have a competing offer and have been transparent about approaching a decision and need enough info to weigh options.
My plan is to ask for:
- A final conversation w/ the hiring manager
- High-level comp/package framework before I provide references
- A trip to Tokyo before an acceptance (I'm surprised this isn't part of their process to ensure retention)
What would you do in my position, and what am I probably not thinking about?
For context, I'd also love input on what a reasonable floor looks like for a leadership relocation package into JP.
ibitmylip@reddit
Sounds like you should not be considering the offer from the party that is literally ignoring your asks and not providing the basics for your transition (if you were to accept their offer)
Kat_ze@reddit
We have moved to Japan twice and have never been flown out during the interview process for either of our jobs, either time. I don't think it's super common here? We aren't executive level though so I can't say for sure. I'm also not surprised about no salary information before the final offer, this seems common as well. Mostly I believe these things are just differences in how the job market works. You can certainly press them for more information but they may tell you to pound sand
SensitiveLevel9249@reddit (OP)
I've never heard pound sand before 😅 thats how its felt. Were your offices quite international? This office is mostly local, but this role is a specific global recruitment. I don't think flying ppl out is common as they haven't conducted this level of search much. Thanks for input on salary as well. Did you negotiate with TA or hiring manager?
Im_the_dude_@reddit
I relo'd to a different country once without meeting anyone in person, only through a few virtual interviews. Work sitch turned out great. Town where we lived, not as much. My wife was not happy and wanted to get out of there, so we did. That's another thing to consider.
SensitiveLevel9249@reddit (OP)
Did a flight out for you and your spouse come up before acceptance? thankfully I've spent significant time in the the new location, but just as a casual tourist.
Im_the_dude_@reddit
Personally wouldn't be moving across the world without seeing where im going to work and meeting who I'll be with everyday. Getting ignored might be a good flag for you.
SensitiveLevel9249@reddit (OP)
Thank you. Yes I agree. There is no making up for an in person experience for a consequential move. I know what a solid recruitment process looks like, and this has not been it. Although its hard to discern if its a cultural difference, a lack of experience/org dysfunction, or both.