How do you deal with teenagers on bikes trying to kick in door at 3am?

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Any-City7196@reddit

Super squirter full of piss by your window ready

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Ill_cunty1469@reddit

Sadly this happened and after calling and damage on door we don’t even get a crime number. Just a shrug and call insurance. Can’t be arsed to even log it smh

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As a call handler this has been handled completely wrong and you should complain. If there's criminal damage that should absolutely be logged and you should be given an investigation number. Depending on the exact circs you may not get an immediate call out, it's likely to be assigned slow time in a few days. You might even not get an attendance if there is no reasonable line of enquiry, such as you waking up or coming home to see the damage and there's no CCTV or suspect. But this should definitely be logged and I'm sorry that was your experience

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RealLongwayround@reddit

I would add (also as a call handler) that we would not be allowed to log this as a nuisance since there is evidence that this is a targeted, unreasonable and repeated attack against OP, which would therefore also constitute Harassment, especially as the victim’s perception of crime needs to be properly considered when logging incidents.

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

What would it be logged at if it is targeted. To give a brief summary, my younger sibling used to actually be partners with the suspected main ring leader of this little group, the break up was rough, and he seemed to never let it go. I’m also somewhat involved as the lad didn’t like me at all because I am transgender and often when passing him to go the shops he’ll yell slurs at me. Nothing I can’t handle.

I don’t feel it’s right to consider this a hate crime, and I’m more concerned about my sisters safety more thank anything.

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seefroo@reddit

Its not up to you to decide if its a hate crime, its up to the law. You report it, the police decide what crime has been committed.

Just to be clear - you have called 999 about this and not the non emergency number?

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RealLongwayround@reddit

Targeted, unreasonable, repeated behaviours against an individual by an individual (who may be part of a group) constitute Harassment. Crimes committed partly as a result of a real or perceived protected characteristic are hate crimes. If those things do not cause you alarm or distress, they do not constitute assault. If they do, they do constitute assault.

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sbaldrick33@reddit

Yeah, the police basically do fuck all now. Don't investigate crimes. Don't walk a beat. They're essentially just a crowd control militia that get wheeled out at sporting and political events, or if unrest is completely unignorable.

They exist to maintain tain the status quo for the rich. If you're not rich and you're the victim of a crime; tough shit.

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Enraged-walnut@reddit

Or or or and hear me out here ... their very limited resources are stretched so thin with having to become defacto social workers that what's left is forced to focus on the most serious crimes and/or easy wins/thing they have a chance of following up on.

For example a few years back my car got broken into at a train station car park, no cctv or other evidence they could reasonably follow up on so case instantly closed.

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Vivid_Pea594@reddit

But they have resources to arrest people over social media posts but not to walk the beat

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sbaldrick33@reddit

Yeah, yeah. Poor car. Now back to the repeated targeted harassment and vandalism case the OP was taking about...

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Enraged-walnut@reddit

The point wasn't my car ...

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SecretNatural6445@reddit

Dont forget they also sit on bridges to catch people doing 44 in a 40🤦‍♂️

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DocSavageManofBronze@reddit

If that was you then your speedometer was probably showing you were doing 50 miles per hour at the time.

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aunzuk123@reddit

As a pedestrian who was almost hit by a speeding car that crashed into a barrier next to me just weeks ago... Good!

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Comfortable-Fall1419@reddit

You ain’t the OP and you don’t know what his local rozzers are like. It’s still worth a punt for the OP.

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Decard_Pain@reddit

This is common but also they don't log it because then they claim crime is falling, nope they're just not logging everything

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RealLongwayround@reddit

HMICFRS would have them over hot coals for that.

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Dangerous-Stress-849@reddit

Tell that to your MP

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gotmunchiez@reddit

Not enough people do this. They complain about councillors and politicians doing nothing but if you don't tell them about these things then how are they supposed to know.

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Hefty_Tip7383@reddit

Always log it, every time.

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New-Opportunity5338@reddit

Lodge a complaint.

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devandroid99@reddit

This is the one. When there's an inspector breathing down their neck about the complaint figures they'll spring into action.

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autofill-name@reddit

Bucket of cold water

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Alarming_Oil5419@reddit

Or boiling hot oil.

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autofill-name@reddit

No plausible deniability with that.

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Alarming_Oil5419@reddit

My chip pan was on fire officer. Honest.

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Codders94@reddit

In addition to the camera, an exceptionally powerful motion triggered flood light. And a few stickers that say, “smile, you’re being recorded”

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Cold_Philosophy@reddit

The police won’t bother with videos of scrotes in balaclavas. They have thousands of those.

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Wonkey-Donkey59@reddit

They don’t care.

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BBB-GB@reddit

And sensor based sprinkler.

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eca3617@reddit

Attached to 50 litres of pressurised tobasco sauce.

Not da bomb hot sauce or anything! Just tobasco sauce.... We don't want to kill anyone here.

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Unable-Mechanic-6643@reddit

It's a nice little fantasy to hold on to but I'm willing to bet that the feral teens of alcoholic parents who know where you live and go kicking front doors down at 3am are willing to escalate this situation far beyond 'tobasco sauce in sprinklers'.

Antagonising the little shits is unlikely to go well, sadly.

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TheOriginalErewego@reddit

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eca3617@reddit

Yeah I'm only joking of course.

I'm well aware, thank you.

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Hips_and_Haws@reddit

A high pressure hose pipe followed by tar & feathers!

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DCzy7@reddit

Home alone comes to mind

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rab10000@reddit

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Standard-Still-8128@reddit

Full of piss

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Omg_stop@reddit

sensor based confetti cannon. make them easy to track

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litfan35@reddit

glitter. you can remove confetti. they'll be picking glitter out of their nose and ears for weeks to come

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Ligand-@reddit

You could try combining with an ultrasonic antisocial behaviour speaker, like the ones for detering cats but set up for teenagers? They're not cheap but as it only happens at night you would be able to pre-empt it.

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ProsodySpeaks@reddit

Those things should be fucking banned outright. Talk about antisocial!

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Hips_and_Haws@reddit

Don't forget that most people under the age of 35 can hear those things. One of our retired neighbours has one & both my son aged 25 & daughter 18 can hear it at night when they're trying to sleep. Plus the young neighbours who bought the house opposite.

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colei_canis@reddit

Please don’t use these!

I’m well outside the ‘target’ demographic of them and I can hear them really badly still, they basically inflict almost painful tinnitus on anyone standing near by. They’re not really ultrasonic at all, and living next to one for a summer was extremely unpleasant.

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Ligand-@reddit

My point wasn't to use these indiscriminately at all times (that would be horrendous!) but if OP is getting harassed at 3am by gangs of teenagers which they can hear prior to them vandalising his/her house and they can deter them with a few minutes of noise which they then switch off. I DO NOT advocate using these things permanently for all of the very valid reasons you've all mentioned. The fact they are so despised may go to show how effective they could be in detering the ongoing harassment?

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Kadoomed@reddit

Seconding this. My neurodivergent son gets upset walking past cat ones because of the sound which I can't hear.

Glitter bomb then instead.

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Krags@reddit

Fuck those indiscriminate nuisances. You're going to make all of your neighbour's pets and children fucking miserable too.

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modelvillager@reddit

Please don't advocate these things. Some shops use them and my completely normal teenagers (who have done nothing wrong) get in real distress from them.

Creating no go areas using sonic weapons against folk who have done nothing wrong is pretty barbaric and not justified, ever.

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Chuck1984ish@reddit

Arrest this man

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ContextRules@reddit

Well done that one

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Level0Human@reddit

He talks in maths

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filbert94@reddit

He buzzes like a fridge

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Electric_Man77@reddit

He's like a detuned radio

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Stabbycrabs83@reddit

I see you are new to the UK

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Hefty-Storm-51@reddit

If they’re under 18 nothing will happen, if they’re over 18 nothing will happen still but their faces might get posted on the local Facebook page

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RampantJellyfish@reddit

So that the police can do nothing about it?

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jagbit@reddit

Guys police solve less than 10% of petty crime, 5% of burglary. Pretty useless until they need to frame someone.

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Broccoli--Enthusiast@reddit

Do nothing then?

Police won't do s thing here

Unless you take action yourself. They they will make you suffer

Just like in high school, reacting to these little shits only get yourself in trouble.

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trigodo@reddit

Useless. Police do nothing. They will show up an hour later if they will even bother to show up

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decisiontoohard@reddit

And? Camera, photos, conversation that might lead to escalation if it happens again or gets worse; it gets it on the books at least.

Hell, even a welfare check and referral to a network like NACOA if these are minors with addict parents.

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linkheroz@reddit

This is the important part to building a harassment case. Call the police every time and get it recorded. After the first one OP gets a crime number and each subsequent call, you give them the number and they'll add to it.

Unfortunately, this might take a long time to get any action but paired with camera footage, a harassment case is a lot easier to build.

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thefooleryoftom@reddit

Doesn’t matter. Call them anyway.

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facialtwitch@reddit

I had similar issues last year, door bell camera with an alarm on it off Amazon. I activated the alarm and that was the last time they did it. Unfortunately you need to evidence gather.

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Do you have any recommendations or a link to that camera you got? I would go with ring but the subscription costs to store and download footage is kinda of putting me off.

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SoFetchItHurts@reddit

Tapo works on an SD card - so no subscription required.

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PumpedUpPatek@reddit

Eufy do the same - No subscription required. You can get the little plug in "alarm" that holds the SD card, inside the house

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3-6-6@reddit

Eufy is great if you buy into their full Ecosystem too. I have their external cctv and home alarm system aswell as the doorbell and they all record back to a 'dvr' in the house. You can go further and setup motion alarms and sensors on doors/windows also but they cost £££.

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OctopusGoesSquish@reddit

I have a Eufy robot vacuum. Is this the last line of defense?

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3-6-6@reddit

Only if they get past the army of Eufy robot lawnmowers first

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PumpedUpPatek@reddit

I have the Homebase to store the door bell footage on - I keep meaning to get another CCTV camera for it, too.

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3-6-6@reddit

Yeah thats what I meant by dvr. I thought you meant the plug in doorbell chime that also has an SD card slot in it to keep the doorbell footage.

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Legitimate_Corgi_981@reddit

Can confirm, had a bunch of these idiots doing donkey kicks (turning away from the door then swinging their leg back as hard as they could) to my door on their way back from school. Caught the idiots on a repurposed old Amazon Fire Tablet I left facing down towards the path and set recording around they had done it the last 2 days in a row.

Bought a Tapo and hub (online subscriptions only £2.99 a month) and that plus the evidence given to police of them in their uniform (making it super easy for the cops to go into the local school and get identities) finally stopped it.

Worth noting that if they are doing it to you and you don't know them, they are probably already doing it elsewhere nearby so the police will be gathering evidence of a pattern.

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KetracelYellow@reddit

The only problem with using just an SD card, if the little darlings steal the camera you have no footage.

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No-Translator5443@reddit

Just have the camera high up so they can’t

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TheTwoWhoKnock@reddit

You need to capture clear photos of their faces. Won’t happen from high up.

If you get an Amazon device and it’s damaged or stolen I believe Amazon will replace it free

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No-Translator5443@reddit

Mines like 12-14ft up and it captures faces fine, op could always put a cage over it to stop it from being taken

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scuderia91@reddit

The SD card isn’t in the camera, it’s in a separate unit inside your house.

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Abhi96_@reddit

Not if you purchase a smart hub. The SD card is stored in the hub, not the camera, so negates it being stolen. It's an additional cost, but well worth it.

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Wonkey-Donkey59@reddit

The Ring camera has an alarm

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GapRegular3723@reddit

Get an Aosu video doorbell camera,no subscription and built in memory card and wireless/rechargeable

You can get the pan and tilt 360 degree ones too small lar powered

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Perfect thank you

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_Hoping_For_Better_@reddit

Reolink is another option, regularly on sale.

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chicaneuk@reddit

Eufy .. can get a home hub so the footage is stored in the house rather than in the camera..

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facialtwitch@reddit

I got a more cam from Amazon it was like £50 you can add an sd card and the subscription is £4.99 a month so within budget.

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litfan35@reddit

I've got an eufy wireless. SD camera is on the chime inside the house so even if they stole the camera as a other commenter says you'd still have the footage. No subscription fees, really recommend it. Easy to set up.

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Magnets@reddit

reolink doorbell camera. police won't do anything without evidence, they will just waste your time

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klippertyk@reddit

Eufy doorbell.

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appocomaster@reddit

We use EUFY, have done for years. Couple of cameras and a home unit. got to make sure to angle it right. We don't use it as a doorbell / etc but in an emergency you can speak through it and listen through it.

All the videos are stored in a homehub wired to our router, and then the cameras need to be in range of the hub.

I went with it because I didn't want my videos stored online and accessible by others.

Biggest issue is if you have rubbish internet it impacts viewing remotely, but not an issue for most people these days.

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Dd_8630@reddit

I bit the bullet and got a ring camera and subscription. The peace of mind I now have is worth its weight in gold.

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AWildEnglishman@reddit

I have a Reolink E1 outdoor. It's not subtle but it has full pan/tilt/zoom, spotlight, speaker and alarm, and can record to a memory card. No subscription required. Their customer support team is good, too.

I imagine another model would suit your needs better but that's what I have.

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Business_Cicada_114@reddit

Eufy doorbells are subscription free

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BlahBlahBlahBingo@reddit

Put heavy grease under your gate handle and use a gloved hand to close it at night. Maybe grease the top of it also so they aren’t tempted to go over the top.

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Hot_Interaction_8567@reddit

I got a Tapo doorbell and hub bundle for around £75. Stick a SD card in the hub and no subs required. We’ve had no issues since.
Sad that we’ve had to put camera in but it seems to be the way nowadays.

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xxdavidxcx87@reddit

You can get the blink camera, I believe it has an SD card in the hub, alternatively pony up for a ring sub, it really is important to have a deterrent to these kind of people, they are most likely looking for the attention they don't get at home.

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PEBKAC-Live@reddit

Look at Unifi. It's better than ring, user friendly and no subscription

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SeaClue4091@reddit

I also had the same issue (only once) and also bought 2 Tapo cameras and a door bell. Very easy to setup.

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Tawoooo@reddit

that's exactly what ring doorbells are for

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Racing_Fox@reddit

So you can catch the masked crims that’ll never be caught?

Nice

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Tawoooo@reddit

the only hope you can have of stopping it is either getting their faces on camera or going out and kicking their teeth in, and one of those will probably end more poorly for you than the kids

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not1or2@reddit

Camera, motion activated flood lights and log with the police EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.

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SpiritualAd5283@reddit

Ummm protect your property ? Are you not a full grown man with women and children in the house , scared ?Jesus grow a pair they’re kids .

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EvziJnr@reddit

Boiling kettle

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Plenty_Suspect_3446@reddit

Kicked the door 4 times and it didn't break? Must be kids.

After the 1st time it happened i'd be sleeping on the settee with a bat waiting for them. I sleep naked and a big hairy naked man with a bat would make them reconsider targeting my house even if I don't get them.

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

I don’t think exposing yourself to kids is a good idea but I’ll think about it ahaha 😅

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Plenty_Suspect_3446@reddit

They come to my door at 3am they learn the consequence is a naked man with a heavy bat. They won't call the police and I won't either.

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craigs_ncl@reddit

Additionally, sock on the end of the bat too.

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BlissVision@reddit

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NeedleworkerSolid163@reddit

Might not call the police but their mother Chantelle will definitely have pictures of you on the local Facebook group calling you a beast, no thanks.

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Plenty_Suspect_3446@reddit

I don't use facebook but if Chantelle shows up at 3am and tries to kick my door in she is getting the same treatment and ill smash a phone even quicker than a bike.

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Knowbeard@reddit

Can confirm I really thing the naked thing throws them off the most. Like you slept with a bat but didn’t bother so sleep clothed in anything

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Cool-Row837@reddit

plot twist - offer them the bat when you open the door and point out that they're gonna fuckin need it!

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No_Preference9093@reddit

The key is they have to enter the property first

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maersyl@reddit

Police mate of mine once said never have a bat near the bed or whatever as courts will deem this to be an offensive weapon. Instead, and I loved this, he said get one of those huge metal torches that take like 3 huge batteries. That way your defence is “I was using the torch to illuminate the way as I went around the house due to noise and I was then confronted by a person in my house and I hit them with it as I thought I was going to be attacked.”

Better than “I was carrying a bat around the house with me” which courts will say was a weapon!

I now have a big fuck off torch by my bed. Made of metal and heavy and sturdy as sin.

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gimpssexual@reddit

Did a mate tell you that or are you repeating something you saw elsewhere? Because that isn’t right.

You can’t carry anything into the streets to use as a weapon but you can absolutely use anything you have to hand in self defence. If you happened to have a gun in the house you could use it, never mind a bat.

https://www.brettwilson.co.uk/couple-who-shot-burglar-not-to-be-charged/

To get ahead of a reply already being typed, that famous case with the farmer who shot intruders and went to jail, the issue was that he laid a trap and shot them in the back.

People think you aren’t allowed to say “boo” to an intruder in the UK. We actually have quite permissive self defence laws when it comes down to it. You don’t need to wait to be attacked first and you don’t need to be in actual danger, you just need a genuine belief you are in danger.

If someone is screaming “I’m going to fucking kill you” so you attack them first, you’ll probably be fine even if it was just words.

And then don’t forget that even if you are charged you’ll get a jury trial.

What you aren’t allowed to do is chase them, booby trap, bait them or carry something in the streets to use as a weapon. But of course there is no law against owning a baseball bat. I wouldn’t put nails or barbed wire around it though. I also wouldn’t swing open the door to attack them, might get away with it but you’d probably go to trial.

If a couple can get away with no charges after using a gun I think I’ll be fine using a bat.

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rinkydinkmink@reddit

The flashlight thing is a commonly given piece of self defence advice, Maglights are the most well-known for it, and police do or did carry heavy torches like this as a dual purpose item (so I was told anyway).

If you have anything at all with the plan to use it for "self-defence" in advance then that's illegal, or yes you're right in theory anything you genuinely had to hand would be legal to use. The key is having a reasonable excuse to have it in the first place - people often debate whether or not having a baseball bat handy would fool the police/court and it probably depends on a lot of things, but in the UK most people don't play baseball ... there is a pretty good reason to have a good torch handy though, especially if walking at night.

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gimpssexual@reddit

Yeah that’s why I asked if the OP was telling porkies because I’ve heard it before.

You don’t need a reasonable excuse to own a baseball bat. You dint need to “fool” anyone. They aren’t illegal. They aren’t controlled. I can buy one today if I wanted and I don’t even need ID. You can own one for no other reason than you want to own a baseball bat.

It is on the prosecution to prove you bought the baseball bat with the intent to use it as weapon as there is a presumption of innocence in the UK. Unless you are the sort of person who posts fantasies about using your lovely new bat on someone’s skull on social media, that’s going to be hard to prove. Or if you modified it, hence why I said probably not a good idea to put barbed wire around it.

That’s if you even make it court. If you genuinely acted in self defence, CPS isn’t going to waste time getting you in front of a likely sympathetic jury.

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SuperExstatic@reddit

I worked with a guy “Tom” who killed an intruder his brother “Dave“ also killed another intruder one done it with a knife the other with a screwdriver but “Dave” went to prison and “Tom” got away no punishment and the reason for that was the amount of times they stabbed the intruders “Tom” one stab guy died right there infront of him , “Dave” went full frenzy the guy died at hospital

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maersyl@reddit

Did a mate tell you that or are you repeating something you saw elsewhere? Because that isn’t right.

No need to be condescending. I was told this by a cop about fifteen years ago.

I apologise for activating your “ackshually” switch.

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Tetracropolis@reddit

You should apologise for spreading misinformation which, it taken seriously, would put people in a weaker position when their home is invaded in the middle of the night by unknown individuals. You should also delete it.

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Puzzled-Job9556@reddit

What you aren’t allowed to do is chase them, booby trap, bait them or carry something in the streets to use as a weapon.

This is what should be allowed though.

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Ok-Rain6295@reddit

What if the victim ends up being innocent? A neighbour who got a bit too drunk and mistook your house for theirs?

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A_Roll_of_the_Dice@reddit

Do you have the same door key as your neighbour? I sure as fuck don't.

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FlippingGerman@reddit

Inside your home you can have whatever you want. Having an offensive weapon in public is totally illegal.

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drtoboggon@reddit

Big metal water bottles also work

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devandroid99@reddit

Hahahaha, I've had a massive maglite beside the bed in case of a blackout for years.

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Forward_Win_4353@reddit

Good idea. Reminds me of how women in this country are recommended to carry Deep Heat spray rather than import a pepper spray like Mace which is considered an illegal weapon like carrying a knife. That way, their defence is “I regularly use this spray for my back pain, which is why I had it on me while out.”

If the police were to check up on me, they’d find records going back years at various osteopaths showing that I do indeed suffer from back pain.

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Ordinary-Hope-8834@reddit

Of course you'd have to be naked - how else would they see your bat?

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WraithOfEvaBraun@reddit

Me personally? I'd have a bucket of p!ss ready for them out of the top window, partly because I'm not a police person plus they are utterly useless or way so you're really on your own and have to fight fire with fire - or urine, lol

People like that generally get encouraged if they think you're cowering away from them in my experience and if you stand up to them slink away...but as I don't know where you are things may be different in your area 🤷🏻‍♀️

Good luck! Just don't let them win whatever way you go about it

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secondgin@reddit

Piss or bleach. Either works.

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Dimac99@reddit

Piss you can get away with but bleach is a chemical attack that you can and should get jailed for. Stupid kids don't deserve to have their eyesight permanently damaged just for being stupid kids, no matter how annoying.

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DreamsComeTrue1994@reddit

Well that’s the problem with the UK right now.

Hurting the people that try to enter your home kicking your door with your kids sleeping inside is frowned upon. People snatch phones all day long on motorbikes while others steal parcels from front doors, or shoplift on the regular.

Calling the police yields nothing, they won’t even bat an eye. Even if they were to arrest them they would be free the next day cause we don’t have any spare cells in prison at the moment.

People with no prospect in life can do whatever with no consequences at all, while normal people trying hard for a better life need to keep sucking it up because you know they have something to lose.

Fun fact, you are most probably indirectly pay for these kids homes, clothes and bikes. Or directly if it used to be your bike..

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Dimac99@reddit

What has any of that got to do with it being wrong to scar and/or blind children for life?

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DreamsComeTrue1994@reddit

So far they are the only ones scaring the OP for life psychologically and potentially financially.

You call them children, but in my world children are not out at 3am vandalising other people’s houses and threatening them.

It’s common criminals that do this.

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jibbetygibbet@reddit

They’re children because of their age. Thats just what words mean.

It doesn’t matter what they’ve done wrong. Scarring and blinding anyone, children or adult, is wrong, no matter what they’ve done, and certainly not for kicking a door and running away. What’s wrong with you?

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StickmanEG@reddit

It’s because being dead hard is easy on the internet, so you can just say stuff about chucking bleach on kids because they banged on your door.

People are dumb as fuck.

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DreamsComeTrue1994@reddit

Age doesn’t matter here. These criminals won’t become exemplary citizens once they turn 18. Of course, I am not in favour of chucking bleach (or causing any other harm) on anyone. I just hope that the police would actually punish such criminals disproportionately hard for their crime so that crime wouldn’t be worth doing.

Unfortunately, police and politicians, powered by people like yourself, prefer a slap on the wrist and some prayers that these kids will suddenly become angels over actually doing something about it, which leaves OP and his own children with no help in this stressful situation. And if they act on it, they will be in trouble.

It’s easier to pay thousands to move house than have the police deal with some petty criminals. That says it all.

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secondgin@reddit

Obviously it'd be watered down. Thinking more along the lines of destroying clothing than blinding anyone.

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colei_canis@reddit

They don’t deserve it but they’re hardly being ‘stupid kids’, they’re dishing out violence because they know adults cannot deliver violence in return.

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liiiiiiiliiiiiiil@reddit

piss is a chemical attack.

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Dimac99@reddit

It's not going to cause permanent damage and nobody is going to jail for it.

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head_face@reddit

Pretty sure that'd count as assault or something along those lines

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Knight--Of--Ren@reddit

It’s administering a noxious substance (s24 offences against the person act). Yes urine is a noxious substance as per R v Veysey

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DreamsComeTrue1994@reddit

So I am not allowed to piss from my front window to my own front garden now?

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secondgin@reddit

This country's gone to the dogs!

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Dimac99@reddit

Technically yes, obviously it is. Practically speaking, people have been left with quite severe injuries and their attackers haven't been jailed, so I wouldn't worry about piss.

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FranzFerdinand51@reddit

"I've been assaulted while repeatedly harassing this family at 3am and trying to kick in their front door"

Ok?

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Snatchematician@reddit

They’re not doing this because they’re ‘stupid’, they’re doing this because they are antisocial and violent.

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inevitablelizard@reddit

Yeah, if they're trying to forcibly break surely that would cross the threshold for using whatever you have to hand for legitimate self defence? If it's more severe than them just being annoying, but actually a genuine threat.

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jibbetygibbet@reddit

So? It’s hardly a proportionate response and two wrongs don’t make a right.

Kicking a door and legging it because you think ‘knock and run’ is funny is antisocial kid behaviour, it’s nowhere even close to blinding you is it?

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Dimac99@reddit

Arguably they're antisocial and violent because they're stupid. Regardless, being blinded for life isn't an appropriate punishment.

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Distinct-Tour-5654@reddit

Or, they're antisocial and violent because they're little shits who have never had it given back to them and their parents are absolute wasters.

If blinding is the issue, give them goggles before dousing them in bleach, voila 😉🤣

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Hytyt@reddit

Don't they?

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trigodo@reddit

In my neighbourhood these annoying kids put two bin shelters on fire late evening. Two shelters in between 3 buildings.

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secondgin@reddit

"I was just cleaning my doorstep, officer"

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WraithOfEvaBraun@reddit

Yup!

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PotentialMulberry677@reddit

When I was a teenager, we moved into a flat in a dodgy bit of town. One day 5 kids stormed the house and ran about inside, not trashing the place, but just trying to show who was boss. I had been bullied a lot in my younger years and something inside me snapped. Went into the kitchen, grabbed a pint glass, went into the toilet and filled it up with my piss. Ran after them and grabbed one of them just before he exited the close by the neck and poured my piss over his hair, head and under the collar of his top whilst he struggled to breathe. My Mum backed me up to the hill when the other boys Mum came screaming at my door. We had a peaceful existence there until we moved. Some people only learn a certain way, unfortunately.

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Triadelt@reddit

What is this obvious bullshitery

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GoodGollyMissP0lly@reddit

Have sympathy.
The bloke is desperate for imaginary internet points.

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KSAW11@reddit

How did they storm the house?

Why did they run off?

How does one struggle to breathe in the five seconds of piss pouring?

How did you not get covered in piss yourself?

What were all the other kids doing whilst you were pouring?

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Scratch_Careful@reddit

People stormed inside your house, as they were running off you had time to run into the kitchen, then to the bathroom, then have a piss all while being fast enough to catch up to them holding a pint of piss, close enough to grab them and pour the piss down ones shirt. Zero chance this is true and its a weird as fuck fantasy.

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PotentialMulberry677@reddit

It was true got nothing to prove to you. It was several floors up and I was pretty renowned for being pretty rapid. Still am.

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AltoExyl@reddit

Gotta go fast!

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Electrical-Fly9289@reddit

You're backed to the hilt btw.

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jc84ox@reddit

Someone the other day said to me "waiting in the winds". Two expressions I've never heard said incorrectly until now.

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autofill-name@reddit

r/boneappletea

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PotentialMulberry677@reddit

Hank you

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ColumbosHairyFarter@reddit

"Something inside me snapped" 😭😭😭

OK lad. Weird thing to make up.

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GingerPrince72@reddit

This didn’t happen.

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BlissVision@reddit

Exactly.. Spillage while running would have been considerable or total. Plus, even though I have never had a reason to try, I suspect the mechanism to pee only works when you're relaxed, not in fight mode.

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After-Situation3973@reddit

This is easy to say when you’re not in OPs shoes. If you throw piss on 3 15 year olds who have ‘non reasonable’ parents, they will 100% retaliate up a level.

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Souseisekigun@reddit

Also, of course, the police would take their side if they ever do show up

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notthatbluestuff@reddit

It’s like they think it’s a story from The Beano or something. As if the teens will run away crying covered in piss while the family blows raspberries at them from the window.

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came2pieces@reddit

I was living in a student house 20 years when some little kids decided to target us playing knock door run. One of my housemates threw an egg at one of the kids and it covered his hair in egg white. Did they all run away, chastened? No. They came back with rocks and smashed every single one of our windows. Naughty kids will escalate, throwing piss at them is a terrible idea.

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Legitimate_Corgi_981@reddit

Yeah, they know where you live, while you haven't got a clue.

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CongealedBeanKingdom@reddit

*supersoaker of piss

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CountTruffula@reddit

Catacomb kids?

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Pen_dragons_pizza@reddit

I am not sure if this is a success or not but a neighbour had a similar problem to OP, so one of nights I got my air rifle out and with all the lights off the window only open a crack, shot one of them in the back of the knee.

It was summer so he was also wearing shorts, so even more damage I guess, he screamed and fell on the floor then hobbled off with his friends.

They didn’t come back and Tbf I was worried I would be found out but at the end of the day i still feel it was justified.

Someone needs a consequence

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lordrothermere@reddit

FYI

If you live in the UK and this story is true, you are publicly confessing to a firearms offense with that post. Potentially up to possession of a firearm with the intent to cause serious injury. That, and lesser offenses that this post might be confessing to, could result in serious jail time.

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Danfen@reddit

Good thing it's an anecdotal story on an anonymous forum then

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lordrothermere@reddit

It's worth noting how severely such an action would be treated within the legal systems of the UK. If only for anyone reading it and thinking 'that sounds like a good idea.'

By 'anecdotal story' do you mean 'untrue'?

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Danfen@reddit

No by anecdotal I mean hearsay and not facts. No one is going to he chasing up the Op for a random tale they've posted on Reddit containing zero identifiable information.

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lordrothermere@reddit

Hearsay is when a third party claims something, isn't it? Not the person who did it.

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Active_Arugula_7079@reddit

What you mean the police don’t use reddit as their main source for crime prevention????!!!! 😮

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Steppy20@reddit

I don't think it would likely escalate to possession with intent to cause injury.

100% a firearms offence though. Even if I did this with my airsoft rifle (literally designed to be safe to shoot at people, except their face) I'd be admitting to a firearms offence.

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lordrothermere@reddit

I'm not a lawyer, so take with with a pinch of salt, but it appears the following is the case:

There's mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines that suggest that shooting someone in the leg with an air rifle would be considered a firearms offense with intent to cause serious injury/gbh. And the nature of the gun becomes less important than it is for prosecution/sentencing for possession alone, as soon as it is used in the committing of a crime.

Air rifles are considered by UK law, in terms of sentencing, as lethal weapons (based on case law relying on the fact they are used to kill small game). I don't believe that's a judgement that has been made for Airsoft.

It appears that, as soon as a air gun has been used to threaten someone or fired at someone, then it gets treated as a lethal weapon. The severity of the sentence then is about intent. That it is a sub 12/6 ft/lb weapon matters less given that put is already considered by law a lethal weapon. Or at least less than it would fit a possession charge.

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inevitablelizard@reddit

Good on you but I would delete this comment for legal reasons.

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FlatCapNorthumbrian@reddit

The lack of enforcement from police and the courts will just mean there’ll eventually be a rise in vigilantism.

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Ok-Elderberry-6761@reddit

I'd make it petrol and make it clear next time you'll light it.

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swallowyoursadness@reddit

I was going to say a hose but I like your idea better. I used to get shitty teenagers hanging outside my door when I lived on a flat. I mostly tried to ignore them but on the one occasion I caught one of them pissing on my door I pulled the front door open so fast the kid nearly had a heart attack. Completely lost it and actually screamed at them, called them every name under the sun and told them I'd have a baseball bat if I ever saw them again. I didn't

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LostLobes@reddit

Buy fox piss, it fucking stinks, mix it with dye they use for thefts.

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Mysterious-Fortune-6@reddit

My local Tesco sells this

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tonyt0nychopper@reddit

Sometimes that can egg them on even more if you retaliate - "it gives them a reason to, *now*"

but if they were to break in and you were to defend yourselves, the person defending themselves will be the one that gets nicked…

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PinkbunnymanEU@reddit

if they were to break in and you were to defend yourselves, the person defending themselves will be the one that gets nicked…

That's not how it works. If you defend yourself you won't. If you're excessive you will.

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Expensive_Peace8153@reddit

Agreed. The person above who shot the teenagers with an air rifle likely would be judged to be using excessive force though. You might even be able to justify a kitchen knife if you're genuinely afraid of losing your own life, but a gunshot through an open window as they're running away is never going to fly as a self defence argument.

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YuriOtani@reddit

My limited knowledge of guns made me think it just blasted air...

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stanagetocurbar@reddit

Of course you wont get nicked if you get an intruder and you defend yourself. 😅I know this from experience.

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BarNo3385@reddit

No you'll just be in hospital or worse after getting stabbed.

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stanagetocurbar@reddit

Ive literally just said "I know this from experience". I came back from the climbing wall one afternoon and found a burglar in my living room. He ran to the patio doors but they were locked and i gave him a proper kicking. He tried to give me £12 to say sorry 😅. I eventually let him run out of the kitchen door and he went out the back garden and over the fields. He had made a stack of goods at my back door with my wife's jewellery, games console, did player etc. He even had a full block of cheese from the fridge 😅 police said big blocks of cheese are eas to sell in rough pubs lol. When I gave a description to the police, they knew exactly who it was and arrested him within 30 minutes. The police didn't even mention that he had obviously had a kicking. The whole thing was pretty surreal but I guess theres no such thing as an 'average' burglary. If it happened again I would do the same thing. No way im letting some little prick walk out of my house with my stuff.

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Due-Comparison2016@reddit

No officer as i just happened to fill this 5 gallon bucket with piss and was emptying it when these unfortunate souls startled me!

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Ok-Explanation1990@reddit

If they break in and you defend yourself, you will be questioned. If you used reasonable force, you will be fine.

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AdamV158@reddit

Sadly I think this would enrage them further, likely lead to a brick through the window or similar?

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RedThragtusk@reddit

Exactly. Escalation is a terrible idea when someone knows where you live. You want deterrence instead.

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PMc1666@reddit

Bucket of piss with a couple of turds in too.

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kjus13@reddit

Good luck keeping that ready in your bedroom.

Some ideas here are mental.

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ButterscotchBest8866@reddit

Sloppy ones, for good measure

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jj_Laroche@reddit

Would make so much mess of the front yard, unfortunately 🥲

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Recent_South_6108@reddit

If he escalates, so will they. That's what immature little pricks do.He could get petrol through the letterbox if he does that.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

Yeah, also how often do they do it? Get some mates to stay over your house, balaclava up with bits of wood/bats in hand, and just rush them after first kick.

They prey on the weak, so a show of force is needed.

Police are fucking pointless.

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ButterscotchBest8866@reddit

A bucket of piss was the first thing that came to mind and I agree with fighting fire with fire. Ignoring them or trying to reason is not an option .

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Cat_Relic@reddit

lol came here to say the same thing!

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jj_Laroche@reddit

A bucket of p!ss in orange dye - I’d rather they don’t get off easily. The dye part keeps them occupied for a while.

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Impressive_You1741@reddit

Bear traps.

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alexwhs1@reddit

As others have suggested you need to invest in a camera and motion sensor activated big light. A friend of mine even has an audio 'You are being recorded' that plays loudly if the motion sensor is triggered, with a big fuck off camera at the front door. Keeps everyone away because they can't get away with it.

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Atlantean_Raccoon@reddit

Make sure your doors are secure with bolts, install a discrete camera to build up some evidence so the police can't just turn around and say they will start monitoring the situation. Most importantly, call the police as soon as these little shits turn up and tell them you are worried about your own and your family's safety. Make a record on paper of each time these arseholes turn up and every you speak to the police with dates, time and take note of how seriously you were taken by them.

If the police do not take action, take copies of your notes, one for a formal complaint against your local police, another to your local authority and to your MP and/or devolved equivalent. I'd also mention that you are so concerned you are not being heard and protected in your own home that the next step will be the press. This can dislodge their idle arses out of their chairs and do something about.

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Thank you for this, I’m looking at camera models now.

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surreynot@reddit

Cup of cold piss

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BroodLord1962@reddit

Have you tried calling the police?

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Jericanman@reddit

Chill flakes...

Water ....

Maybe boil them for a bit...

Let it cool

Makes a lovely spicy tea...

Just don't accidentally put it in a supersoaker... Those kinda mistakes can happen in the summer time...

Having a lovely cup of fire tea and playing water fights it's easy to get mixed up.

Oh is this not the alternative fire tea sub Reddit my mistake.

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johngenegenie@reddit

Personally having trouble with neighbours, so bought some "alfred" cameras, and one is in front window, next to door in full view of window.

You do have to pay for sub, but I'm just giving you a general idea, as it's not a great amount of money (I think 50 a year); and you can obviously shop around.

Then if you have a "decent" phone or laptop, find the footage, crop it, save it to device and report every incident- then you can have a nice big folder of evidence. Who knows, yoi may even get footage that can be used and the police will even take.

I will admit I'm having next to no luck with my problems, but bit by bit, building a severe case against them woth noise apps from the council, footage and a contact for me to email (as well as things that can't be done immediately due to ruddy health and safety etc), but at least its recorded and "filed".

Best of luck, and hope you get it sorted pretty soon.

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Wonkey-Donkey59@reddit

This happened to us about 3 years ago and we have cameras! We’re a mum and daughter, and the little bleepers ran up to our front door, brayed on it (banged hard) and ran away. There were about 6 or 8 of them, and my daughter opened her window shouting “There’s a camera there!” To which one of them shouted back “We don’t fucking care’!”
I was shaking so much from being woken it took me ages to go back off to sleep. I reported it to the police on their website but heard nothing back.
Apparently they’d gone through the village doing it to random houses. I wonder if they ever think about their stupid game now that they’re 3 years older?

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ArmouredFightingDog@reddit

It's not expensive to buy a camera these days, like £15-50 quid depending on how fancy is is.

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tscott16@reddit

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HighwayTurbulent4361@reddit

they were there for 20 mins and you didn’t manage to see them?

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No_Two_4312@reddit

Call 999 and say your home is being broken into by an armed gang.

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BritishGent_mlady@reddit

Surprised to find that this is such a rare comment. It’s pretty much the only answer.

“999, police, people are trying to break in, and they are armed.”

Even if they are not armed, you don’t know that.

If you can, get a camera and record them for weeks beforehand and get good quality footage. Also, if you can, try to ascertain who they are and where they live. Makes the Police’s job a lot easier, which they will be grateful for 🙂

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Racing_Fox@reddit

I believe they ask if you have seen a weapon, I’m not sure if you can be done for lying about it and most people will assume you can so won’t lie.

Personally I’d tell them I was fearing for my life and armed and will use lethal force if they manage to enter my property. The police will turn up, even if it’s just to arrest me.

Honestly though, I don’t generally have an issue with our self defence laws but feel that given the dire state of police funding at the moment, they should be extended to allow us to use force against people trying to break into our properties rather than waiting for them to actually break in. Same with people stealing cars and bikes, let us use force against them if we see them.

I feel like you’d have a lot fewer cases of this if next time someone was trying to kick a door down a barrel of an air rifle appeared out of the letterbox or scalding hot water drained down from above.

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geniusgravity@reddit

It's dark, you were scared, you must have been mistaken. You won't get done for a thing.

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SavingsFeature504@reddit

Set up a discreet camera watching the front door.

Wait up till they are about to do it then set up inside your house right by the front door.

When you see them winding up to do it. Get ready.

Just as they are ahout to boot your door, open the front door and wait for them to stumble.

Ideally make sure the camera is recording the interaction and be on the phone to the police at the same time and when the door opens. Make it obvious you are on to the police.

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MountainMuffin1980@reddit

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FatThorp@reddit

Boiling hot water straight out the window.

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Think_Substance_1790@reddit

I had this back in the day, when I lived alone...

What the kids didnt know is i collect swords...

Shockingly, the 2nd time they did it was the last. The first time I just left them to it, I was scared ill admit... the second time, I was hormonal, exhausted, and had a pounding headache, and as a result had ZERO patience left. I kept one of the swords by my bed... pretty sizable, but very comfortable to wield. (Like I said, I lived alone, and I didnt think my 'best friends with everything that isnt a spider' cat was gonna be much help if I got attacked) So I grabbed it, ran to the door, opened it and just stood there, in my Pj's, with this glorious shiny big sword. They laughed, then I ran at them. Think... mini pyramid head 🤣 never seen anyone go from full belly laugh to utter terror so fast 😂

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Woly-Boly@reddit

Thought you grabbed the best friends with anything that isnt a spider cat and ran to the door

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Think_Substance_1790@reddit

🤣 to be fair I did find my cat on top of door frames and in my shower more times than should be acceptable

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pnlrogue1@reddit

If they're kicking your door that loudly then I'd be on the phone to 999. There's a gang of youths attempting to break down your front door.

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PlainAsTea@reddit

You call the police and put up a camera. Chances are a neighbour will have a camera for last night

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MoveFromMe1@reddit

Hot water and sugar, or a highly corrosive acid. You can commit crimes on criminals, nobody will believe em.

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FornyHucker22@reddit

I had similar local residents once, my reply involved cat litter mixed with gloss paint

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OnPointTip1@reddit

Call the old bill and tell them you're armed with a machete and you're about to attack the group of young lads. Watch how quickly they respond

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ultimateberk@reddit

My dad did that once. Was told there were no available units everytime he called. He said you are giving me no other choice but to take the law i to my own hands. I have a cricket bat in my hands right now and unless you send someone i will have no choice but to use it. Sure enough five minutes later they appeared

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ItsVLS5@reddit

W dad tbh

Hopefully the police didnt press charges on him

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Great advice on how to get myself put away!

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ultimateberk@reddit

My dad didnt when he did. I think they had a word to which he told them he had rang them over and over and no one ever showed so what choice did he have

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OnPointTip1@reddit

Nope. It's a regular occurrence, you're at your wits end, you panicked and you don't even own a machete. You cannot get arrested let alone banged up for being stressed on the phone

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Rockpool500@reddit

Catch them on camera- use a Ring doorbell, trail cam, something like that and report them to the Police...or name and shame them on social media. Other option is just do your best to ignore them. Idiots tend to do things to get a reaction..So if they can't get a reaction they'll move on. If you catch one use that idelible paint spray stuff on their faces. I'ts cheap to buy online.

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Jumpy-Jello-@reddit

Even if the police don't respond, they will log the report, and that paper trail is important. Ask for a crime reference number every time.

As others have said, get a camera, get some motion-sensor lights .

Do NOT respond with violence, you could end up in prison yourself, or getting hacked with a machete. Keep your door closed and keep calling the police in real time.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

A reference number doesn’t help you sleep at night when you no longer feel safe in your own home.

It’s a shame, I’d tell the police I was armed, fearing for my life and prepared to use lethal force should they manage to enter. The police would turn up, but only to arrest the victim.

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Tetracropolis@reddit

Arrest the victim for what?

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Racing_Fox@reddit

Threatening to use a knife. It was said half in jest.

But the police do seem to take more action against ‘vigilantes’ than actual criminals, but that’s probably because the ‘vigilantes’ are normal, decent people so cooperate with the police instead of hiding.

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Tetracropolis@reddit

They wouldn't. It's not a crime to use a knife if you fear for your life, much less state that you will if certain events come to pass.

It's a thread where someone's asking for advice about what they should do when a gang of youths are kicking their door. Other people who are in similar situations might be reading this. Half-jesting that the police will arrest them if they say they'll take measures to defend themselves is wildly inappropriate. If someone has people breaking into their house the last thing they need is the thought in their head that the police will side against them.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

The problem is U.K. self defence law is complicated. Would it be argued in court that if you’d have feared for your life you’d have left the property by a back door instead? You don’t know until you’re in court.

If you had a shotgun and stood at the front door with it waiting for them to break in, would that be considered premeditated or self defence? Again, you don’t know why the jury will say until you have a court date.

>If someone has people breaking into their house the last thing they need is the thought in their head that the police will side against them.

Unfortunately that’s the world we live in. I like the police, I’m not one of these that thinks they’re out to get you. If you get pulled over etc and treat them with respect you’ll be much better off than if you assume they’re trying to get you. But in an event like this. I honestly can’t truthfully say I’d trust the police/courts/law to have my back. You’d end up being treated as a criminal and left with debilitating anxiety for months/years while waiting for a court date.

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Tetracropolis@reddit

No. It would never get to court. There is no duty to retreat on English law, and certainly not in your own home. The CPS would never prosecute.

You're entitled to use lethal force if you have an honest belief that such force is necessary to end the threat.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

Lots of self defence cases where the defendant is found not guilty end up in court.

How do you prove an ‘honest belief’?

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Tetracropolis@reddit

What country do you think this is? You don't need to prove an honest belief. The prosecution needs to prove that you didn't have such a belief.

The cases you mention only reach court where the CPS thinks there's a reasonable prospect that they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the accused did not have such a belief, or that he only had such a belief because of something like alcohol use which is his own responsibility, or that he engineered the situation.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

That’s the theory yes. But they’re sat in a quiet courtroom applying rational and logic to the equation. You were in your home in the middle of the night with a group of unknown people trying to break in. They’re entirely different situations. I could quickly see them believing you were in the wrong and leaving you to try and convince them otherwise.

So it would end up in court if you were drunk? I don’t drink myself, but god forbid someone have a drink in their own home. It shouldn’t come into it. If someone is trying to break in to your property it shouldn’t matter if you were drunk, you’re in your property you should be able to do enjoy a drink without it being held against you if you take action against someone trying to break into your house.

We place too much blame onto victims instead of placing the blame on the criminals themselves. They’re criminals, they committed a crime and should have considered all the possible outcomes before doing so. If they broke into a house and were killed or injured by a drunk homeowner, that’s their risk to take.

Just look at that case where the police officer was done because a criminal on a scooter crashed trying to get away. What sort of a joke of a nation are we that instead of blaming the criminal running from the police for their accident we instead blame the police for trying to catch them.

What classes as engineering a situation?

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Tetracropolis@reddit

They wouldn't be in court. The CPS only takes cases to court where they think they can prove - beyond a reasonable doubt - that the accused didn't fear for their life or that their response was grossly disproportionate. It basically never happens. The one who killed a traveller a few years ago with a screwdriver was cleared within 48 hours.

The factor you mention about a quiet courtroom and the event in the heat of the night is specifically referred to in the legislation

(3) the following considerations are to be taken into account (so far as relevant in the circumstances of the case)—

(a)that a person acting for a legitimate purpose may not be able to weigh to a nicety the exact measure of any necessary action; and

..

So it would end up in court if you were drunk? I don’t drink myself, but god forbid someone have a drink in their own home. It shouldn’t come into it. If someone is trying to break in to your property it shouldn’t matter if you were drunk, you’re in your property you should be able to do enjoy a drink without it being held against you if you take action against someone trying to break into your house.

No. Only if they could prove that you used excessive force because you were drunk. It very likely wouldn't matter and wouldn't be held against you.

We place too much blame onto victims instead of placing the blame on the criminals themselves. They’re criminals, they committed a crime and should have considered all the possible outcomes before doing so. If they broke into a house and were killed or injured by a drunk homeowner, that’s their risk to take.

No we don't. People getting jailed for actions they take against burglars in their home almost never happens, and when it does it's invariably when they've taken extreme measures like shooting the burglars in the back and torturing them after the fact.

Just look at that case where the police officer was done because a criminal on a scooter crashed trying to get away. What sort of a joke of a nation are we that instead of blaming the criminal running from the police for their accident we instead blame the police for trying to catch them.

That's a completely different situation and the guy was cleared.

What classes as engineering a situation?

If you were goading them into it. Suppose you stand at the door with a knife in your hand and say "I bet you don't have the balls to step in here and fight me", back up behind the threshold of your door, then when they come in you blow them away with a shotgun, you're probably not getting away with that. If you say "If you come in here I will kill you" and they do it, you'd probably be fine.

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Jumpy-Jello-@reddit

Bigger issue here is one person against a group of people who may or may not have weapons themselves. Anyone who thinks OP would come out on top in an altercation like that watches too much tv.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

The idea would be to tell the police that you’re ready to use lethal force in the hope that they’d actually turn up before they break in and not just leave it a few days instead.

Honestly the biggest issue for me would be what if they didn’t have weapons? Then where would you stand in court?

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Dadskitchen@reddit

Just borrow a massive pitbull and walk it round the block every day for a month

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Fit_Dimension_2517@reddit

Vampirism

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General_Night_6143@reddit

Record them on your phone as discreetly as possible and report to the police. Although I have little faith in this the more noise you make about this you should get heard. Do you live alone, and children or vulnerable adults at your home?

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

There’s 3 of us in total, 2 adults and my minor younger sibling.

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General_Night_6143@reddit

We contacted our local mp before after no action from the police regarding anti social behaviour (selling drugs from a downstairs flat) and that surprisingly made a difference. Local mp’s actually work for us and they have strong links to the police so it might raise the question as to why nothing has been done. Again, just be persistent. Is it council housing, landlord at all? Complain to them. Speak to your gp about a lack of sleep, fear of reprisals affecting your mental health. Get as many people involved until it can’t be ignored anymore. Make a fuss.

Also, b&q used to sell dummy cameras that had a battery powered red flashing light, these are a cheaper option and a surprisingly effective deterrent at times. A little sign saying this property is covered by cctv might also help too.

Good luck

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RevolutionaryOil8785@reddit

Doc martins up the hoop

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Jazzlike_Page7923@reddit

Theres this game i like to play called guess the color. Im pretty much undefeated.

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NoBody_HomeATM@reddit

In America, they'd get a high powered rifle, in the UK they get Nanny McPhee.

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RelativePea8217@reddit

What race are these "teenagers"?

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Don’t use my post asking for help to fuel your racist agenda. The kids are white as most perpetrators are.

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RelativePea8217@reddit

Sure they were. Weird how you didn't mention that in your original post.

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Because it doesn’t matter the race. My doors being kicked at the wee hours of the morning you think I’m going to give a shit what colour their skin is??

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No-Salary6397@reddit

I guess your one of those? The sort that has a shit life that they blame on others, the kind that finds it easier to blame others than actually lift yourself up

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Reasonable-Soft375@reddit

Big dog.

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Sweetie-07@reddit

I'm surprised this comment is so far down to be honest! 🏅 I briefly had problems with horrendous neighbours who'd moved in to my street (I'm a single woman on my own with my daughter). We ended up getting a very large breed dog as a puppy (I've got lots of experience with guardian breed dogs so I wouldn't recommend for someone with none..) - anyway Muffin is no longer a puppy, but is the best deterrent ever (she's a fully trained sweetheart, but other people don't know that!) Guess what - no more problems with horrible neighbours.. 😂a

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

We do now legally require a picture of muffin, I would like to see the baby

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Sweetie-07@reddit

With pleasure - here you go u/limbless_Mountain! If you happen to live in the North East, you're more than welcome to come play with Muffin (we could take a little walk round your estate, too..) 😉😂❤️

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Sweetie-07@reddit

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Jumpy-Jello-@reddit

For knife-wielding kids? No.

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schwillton@reddit

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Unfortunately I don’t think my little old very deaf dog would appreciate a new much bigger younger sibling

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Woly-Boly@reddit

Get some mayo or something that looks like spunk and throw it over them then say "haha you got spunked on you're so gay now"

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NoTraffic5064@reddit

I can think of numerous ways. Non of which are legal.

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Reorka@reddit

The fact this has happened so many times already and you still haven't got a camera is mind blowing.

I've read some of your posts on this thread and even now you're still saying things like "well it sounds like I might have to get a camera then".... Yes! Yes you should! Protect your home, family and start gathering evidence.

The cameras from the ring alarm systems have sirens that you can trigger remotely. When they come next time, a siren alone, might be enough to get them to move along. It draws unnecessary attention from other homes nearby.

I'm sorry you're going through this, but you need to be a bit more proactive than you're being (by your post content), especially considering this isn't the first time it's happened. Police will want/need evidence - start gathering it.

Best of luck with it all.

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

I’m not the owner of the home so I don’t get a final say on things. I’ve been asking since the first ever incident to get some sort of camera but we’re a family that really wants privacy. I’m going to show the owner this comment thread and buy the camera myself.

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MinaretofJam@reddit

Get a camera and keep a bucket of freezing cold water next to the window.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

By freezing cold do you mean scalding hot?

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Woly-Boly@reddit

With ink and piss

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Dry_Natural_3617@reddit

Baseball bat or camera… i suggest if you go for the former, don’t get the camera 😂

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Creative-Bug5953@reddit

we had this happen too, they even broke our fence. we installed cameras and emailed their school with evidence, because we live right next to their school, that didnt stop them. the only thing that helped was opening a police case for harassment, a police officer went to talk to them and their parents and I guess it scared them enough to never try kicking our door again.

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Calm_Eggplant9911@reddit

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TJHalysBoogers@reddit

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Available-Net-7714@reddit

Find out who they are and make the parents and or them an offer they cant refuse.

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pixelunicorns@reddit

Get the camera, if you think you know the kids (names, parents, addresses) go speak to the police. Let them know what's been happening, that you are getting camera for evidence but let them know who you suspect. Ask them for advice on how to protect your home and family. Don't call the emergency number now, either go down to the station or contact them via phone or email.

I think you can also speak to the council about this too, I'm not sure exactly what department but I assume it would be part of the social services. If the kids live in council-owned housing then the council should definitely be informed about any anti-social behaviour from tenants.

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Defiant-Sleep-6103@reddit

Ok so what youre going to want to do is go to thegatalogDOTcom and download the files for the . Print off and assemble then use it. Its all 3d printed parts and hardware store pieces. The ammo is a little hsrder to come by in your neck of the woods but a reloading press and the componets will allow u to make your own.

Let me guess, these youth are 3rd worlders your cou try recently imported. Tha k god im an american, we just shoot them.

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IUsedToLikeLimericks@reddit

If you know who they are go and politely ask that they desist. Time of day to do so is obviously at your discretion.

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SufficientFrosting47@reddit

Hi Reddit, I would deal with them in the safest, legal manner I possibly could. REALLY safe, legal and nice big covered in cotton wool and nice bigly big hugs and kisses. Safely, ethically and morally, legally safe and nice.

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Separate_Quality1016@reddit

You know they say that an Englishmans home is his castle and all that.

Get a fucking trebuchet.

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Sweetie-07@reddit

I love this comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🏅

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Sutraner@reddit

How is calling the police and getting a camera not the first thing you do?

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BarNo3385@reddit

Probably is the first thing, but it wont solve anything. Police wont respond and the camera will just get smashed if its targetted.

Something similar happened to our neighbours, went from kicking on the door to smashing the front windows in with a golf club and bricks through the upstairs windows. Police still didnt even bother to come out, just provided a ref for insurance. They had to move house in the end to get away from it.

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Legitimate_Corgi_981@reddit

The lack of a camera is often the reason for targeting. So many houses now have them, the ones without noticeable ones are where they will target for the random "tiktok influenced pranks".

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Racing_Fox@reddit

Because the police are so underfunded they won’t respond to this. Happened to my brothers friend last year, someone tried breaking in and the police said they would send someone round the next day.

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mirrormyriad@reddit

I guarantee that all these keyboard warriors encouraging you to physically retaliate have ZERO experience of being in this kind of situation IRL. Please do not listen to them. You’re highly unlikely to come off on top if you escalate this situation.

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Free_UP_D_Herb@reddit

Bally up and get a few people beat the shit out of them best option

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_Xemplar@reddit

Sugar + flower in Kettle and throw

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Billy2352@reddit

Medievil method - Boiling oil from window will solve the issue

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Vequihellin@reddit

Investing in a security camera/video doorbell is going to be your best way forward. I personally cannot recommend the eufy brand highly enough (they are a sister brand of Anker). They are fairly budget friendly and don't require a subscription. Getting video footage and reporting this to the police are your next steps. Going to the parents will likely get you nowhere and they'll keep doing it. A camera recording them will either be a deterrent or evidence.

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Illustrious_Style321@reddit

Set up a kettle in your room, keep it half full and keep about 500g to 1kg of sugar nearby + keep 3-4 mugs with handles nearby. Next time it happens, add sugar to kettle, boil kettle, once boiled transfer to mugs, turn your bedroom lights off and wait for them to come back for the second kick... then you know what to do at that point

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Artistic-Weekend3775@reddit

In my opinion, and speaking from similar experience, don’t chase them, don’t confront them, and try your best not to show that it’s bothering you. A reaction is often exactly what they’re looking for.

I’d get a couple of cameras to document everything and keep a written log of dates, times and what happened. I’d also speak to your neighbours and ask whether they’ve heard or seen anything. If they’re willing, ask them to add their own reports to the police, Crimestoppers or the local council, as multiple reports from different people can help build a picture of what’s going on.

Make sure you keep hold of any incident or crime reference numbers and continue updating them with any new footage or evidence.

This sounds incredibly stressful to deal with. I’d also consider speaking to your GP sooner rather than later, particularly if it’s affecting your sleep, stress levels or mental wellbeing. Aside from getting support, it also creates a record of the impact this situation is having on you.

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Powerful_King7893@reddit

Shoot them

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Eukonidor_Of_Arisia@reddit

Airsoft guns tend to sting and sometimes leave bruises depending on how close you are to your target.

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sorE_doG@reddit

Super soaker with some unholy stuff in the water.. Tabasco isn’t close to being hot enough, but you could also go for the Classic Egg Stink Bomb Recipe

(I’m being sarcastic, and not suggesting escalation really.. you have to be a particular kind of person to succeed with this kind of response. The capacity for being meaner and nastier than the teens dads).

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bananaload@reddit

Large stick?

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MrLuftartisan@reddit

get a couple of big dogs German Shepherds are very good faimly members they would not be impressed by this unwelcome visit at door either 😾

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More_Ad_3739@reddit

Land mines

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More_Ad_3739@reddit

Bouncing betties

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anchoredwunderlust@reddit

It’s worth the camera and making logs. It’s up to you how much info you give the police but if you and a camera and a pen and paper take notes of all the times anything by takes place, what happens, the details, and especially that you’ve told them at some point to desist and that they’ve continued it can all work towards a harassment case a much easier. Build a case. Make an initial report however vague, with or without the suspected identity. The point is your safety first. Depending on your neighbourhood and police response people can always call in noise complaints, if you wanted it to seem more anonymous but have the police come break something up

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Thank you for this I fear we might have to cave and get a camera…

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sistermarypolyesther@reddit

Be sure to mount it out of their reach, or get a concealed camera. And, review the footage often!

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A_Roll_of_the_Dice@reddit

You want the camera visible and distinct so that they know full well that they're being recorded. Preferably one that lights up when they get in range of it, so it grabs their attention. Eufy do one like that. It stopped some dodgy fucker dead in his tracks at 2am when he was coming to my front door all shady.

Instead of whatever he had initially planned to do, he just rang the doorbell and acted like he was there for legitimate reasons at 2am...

On my doorbell footage, I saw him shush someone who was waiting around the corner of my house out of sight in case I answered.

When I reviewed the footage on another camera, he'd been trying other people's doors and messing with their letterboxes.

Having a camera that lights up, letting them know that they're being recorded, is a very good deterrent that's worth investing in.

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Chocolate_Teapot1710@reddit

Find their folks

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Curious-Art-6242@reddit

If they're young you can get thise antisocial speaker devices which emit a noise only young people can hear and its really horrible. Its also impossible to work out where its coming from I think.

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ZachasA@reddit

Weirdly this has happened to me recently but it was two different groups who did it, months apart. The problem is their parents are just as bad, if you try to confront them it could turn into something worse. I’m planning on moving out of my area, I’ve always hated it. Biggest mistake was moving to a new build estate.

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Veenkoira00@reddit

Plenty of entertaining suggestions here. But what you actually need is night vision cameras that are disguised – otherwise they just get broken before the actual "fun" starts. Then use the footage to make proper reports to the police (don't forget to insist on a crime number every time).

Let the council's Children's Services know. These under 18s are engaging in criminal activity (police matter) AND are obviously not receiving the guidance, control and supervision they should receive from their parents; in other words the parents are neglecting their children (SS matter).

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Few_Search4266@reddit

Boiling hot water out the bedroom window they won’t come back again

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Toasty-Alpaca@reddit

Ring 999 and say a break in in progress. They react faster

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Fine-print82@reddit

Not in the UK :(

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Toasty-Alpaca@reddit

I'm in the UK bud. When the local nob head was trying to kick into his mums house probably on drugs I rang the police and was surprised how to whole squad showed up and took him away in under 10 minutes. I also enjoyed my day out in court and received "compensation".

I think i got like £7.52. Ive got the cheque to this day lol

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Racing_Fox@reddit

Where are you? My brothers friend reported people trying to break into his house in London last year of the year before and was told they weren’t going to send anyone.

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Toasty-Alpaca@reddit

Up north, its filled with savages up here, the police are mainly southern and know if left unchecked someones head is getting knocked clean off

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stevejgarth@reddit

UK Police are good when they gave enough time and are not snowed down with paperwork. If we had enough of them so that they can attend with enough colleagues to be safe, in a timely manner, then they would. Why we think one person without real weapons can deal with a group of criminals is beyond me.

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ScottUddy55@reddit

"There's someone trying to break in. No rush, though - I've got my shotgun."

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Standard-Still-8128@reddit

If you see one that had something that looks like a gun 😜 the police will def come out armed police will come they will also take mum an dad's door off in middle of the night

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loveswimmingpools@reddit

Ring 999. If I was inside my house and someone was kicking the door in thats what id do.

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cwright017@reddit

Keep a kettle in your room, when they turn up tip the contents out of the window.

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PoofaceMckutchin@reddit

I filled up balloons with piss and chucked them out the window. They thought it was water at first and started giving me stick, saying they were gonna knock me out. Then they smelt it and quickly dispersed.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

I can’t lie, the last thing I’d be thinking about doing when faced with the idea of a potentially armed/violent person breaking into my property is whipping my dick out and going for a pee lol

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secondgin@reddit

How does one fill a balloon with piss?

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PoofaceMckutchin@reddit

1 week, 4 guys, a big bucket and a funnel. The teenagers came back every Friday like clockwork so we had ample prep time.

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englishforhello@reddit

Eufy security cameras. Amazon.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

They might have had their scandal but honestly they’re the best by far.

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bumpoleoftherailey@reddit

Do they live in council homes? I think councils can respond well to persistent antisocial behaviour, with eviction being on the table. As with other measures though, you’ll need CCTV evidence and a thorough log of incidents.

As someone else mentioned, bright motion-activated lights can help - apart from making your camera footage much better, they mightn’t be so brave with a spotlight on them.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

That’s the problem, you don’t know.

Councils also don’t do fuck all. They let housing associations deal with council housing now. There’s some in my town, they’re always shoplifting from the local shop and one has been in prison twice in the last year for shoplifting/threatening people with a broken bottle. Another one that comes from a family that is known to the police lives in a flat (small block of 6 new builds) he smashed the windows in of his downstairs neighbour and is a known drug dealer.

The only one that the housing association has actually kicked out was a guy who stabbed his partner in front of her young children (one of whom stabbed him back). The rest are still around

Personally id suggest that anyone who commits a crime should have their benefits reduced/removed. Move them out of the community they’re terrorising and into minimum security prisons with tags to make sure they’re back at a certain time.

They get their housing, the community gets to feel safe.

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Head_Let6924@reddit

The only way to deal with little scrots like this is either

Chili water Piss and shit water

And a super soaker

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Racing_Fox@reddit

Nah. A freshly boiled kettle.

Hopefully second degree burns would make them think twice. Would make them pretty identifiable too

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talkingtruth92@reddit

simplisafe, get a camera and get TWO (yes TWO) external 110db sirens.
Use a door contact, arm the alarm (via the app), pull the door contact apart which will trigger the sirens.
report to police (online, upload footage)

Police can be slow, but you MUST report every time, if you don't they won't understand the scale of the problem. If someone was kicking my door at 3am I'd 999 it, kids or not.

Sirens will make it uncomfortable to be near, will also draw attention to them, hopefully it'll deter them.....

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mlopes@reddit

999

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Racing_Fox@reddit

Unfortunately doesn’t work, my brothers friend had someone trying to break into their house in London, they called the police and were told they couldn’t send anyone.

Personally if that were me I’d have told them in that case I’m fearing for my life and arming myself with a knife and will be using it if they manage to break in. I’m sure they’d be out in a jiffy to feel my collar.

I honestly don’t think the police pay nearly enough attention to burglaries and thefts as they should. They see it purely as a non violent (and thus relatively minor) crime. They don’t consider the wider psychological impacts that it has on the victims. The fear it instills in them, the feeling that they aren’t safe in the once play they should be able to relax.

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JohnLef@reddit

Can you piss out of your window?

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Hot-Fig-3708@reddit

Rather than asking the internet what to do, go and speak to them..

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TheViscountRang@reddit

The people who suggest this are the type that would actually respond to this situation by hiding under their bed, sniffling and browning their trousers

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Fraccles@reddit

What redditors tell themselves to justify their passivity.

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Hot-Fig-3708@reddit

And you’re the sort of mong who sits on Reddit 24/7 , we ain’t the same

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stevethos@reddit

Speak to a gang of aggressive tracksuited teens at 3am? Are you fucking high?

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ReallySmallFeet@reddit

Hey now...

I'm high and I wouldn't do it!

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TheTzarOfDeath@reddit

Obviously OP should just build a couple of youth centers and the problem will resolve itself.

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gotmunchiez@reddit

"Excuse me chaps, you seem to be making an awful kerfuffle, could you perchance take your shenanigans elsewhere?"

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stevethos@reddit

“Could you please withdraw your blade from my torso, my wife bought me these pyjamas, there’s a good lad”

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WraithOfEvaBraun@reddit

😆😆😆

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angelic_darth@reddit

"Fuck off, clean shirt" is more than likely the least hostile response OP would expect to receive from confronting people like this!

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Yeahhhh I’d rather not have this escalate thank you

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West_Broccoli_3198@reddit

If there’s a window above your door the get creative 😉 maybe keep a kettle upstairs.

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Hips_and_Haws@reddit

Fit a camera that is either hidden or out of reach. Find out which school or college they go to & show any footage to the head teacher. Ring social services at your local council. Name & shame them on Facebook or join a Neighbourhood Watch scheme & talk to your neighbours & link up with other groups. If every other adult gets to know these kids & interacts with them constantly, there is a possibility they'll stop being anti social.

Or maybe the parents will be fed up with the school & every other adult in FB slagging off their crap parenting skills they'll either do some parenting or move away.

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TraditionalBread_@reddit

Cameras and paint. The paint is so police can identify them.

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Substantial-Bug-4998@reddit

Sometimes violence IS the answer

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Racing_Fox@reddit

Only if you want to get yourself arrested unfortunately

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bigfanofmagicstars@reddit

You need to get someone massive and intimidating to scare them off. Nothing actually violent obvs, but enough threats to put the fear of God in them.

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huntinwabbits@reddit

I actually think this is the way things are going to go,I think we we will either see slightly more 'effective' versions of neighborhood watch, or private security companies patrolling areas due to the ineffectiveness of police

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Racing_Fox@reddit

If it weren’t for the fact the police take more action against vigilantes than they do the criminals that make them necessary, we’d have no problem.

I understand our self defence laws but feel they need tweaking to allow defending of our property. As of now, you can’t touch them until they come into the property, I’d rather we be allowed to shoot anyone trying to break into our homes with air rifles or throw scalding water over them. Why do we have to wait for our lives to be in danger before taking action if we could just prevent them from getting that far in the first place.

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LockedinYou@reddit

These people only learn the way they think. I can't suggest what to do as i will get banned again for promoting violence

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Racing_Fox@reddit

Boiling water out the window?

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ButterscotchBest8866@reddit

Same 😅

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LockedinYou@reddit

Shaking of the fist and running to the police just isn't it...

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Shoegazer83@reddit

A CCTV camera and ring doorbell is a non brainer. I'm unsure why this wasn't your first port of call instead of Reddit. Cameras are so cheap on Amazon now I suggest everyone should have one.

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Racing_Fox@reddit

I’d call 999 and tell them that an unknown individual/group is trying to enter your property and you are fearing for your life, you have armed yourself with a knife and will use it should they manage to enter

You’ll have a copper round in no time to arrest you

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Green_Cloud1507@reddit

Is there any reason why they would be targeting your house?

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Fallout4Addict@reddit

Chuck a bucket of ice water over them. Followed by flour.

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Active_Arugula_7079@reddit

Get a really big rottweiler. Well trained. Door ajar.

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Teessideshields@reddit

Keep a boiling kettle next to the window

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bonjajr@reddit

Ring door bell from amazon delivered tomorrow. Get it set up and ring the please today so they are aware and have it logged. When they inevitably do it again next weekend. Show the footage to the police.

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Dramatic_Mammoth5720@reddit

Crow scarer might do the job

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SiamDean@reddit

Prominent warning posted.

A gun and a shoot first, ask second policy.

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Greybur@reddit

A pointy stick.

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BackgroundWeekend929@reddit

Take matters in your own hands, catch a case- stand on business

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Whosentyounow@reddit

This really makes me angry, I feel for your OP, bloody dreadful.

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No_Effective_4481@reddit

Camera, police, record it on your phone. Document it. Report them to the council. Unless you can "resolve it in person" the chances are nothing will get done though. I used to have a crowd of the little fuckers booting a football at my front door at 4am. After that it was hard-packed snowballs being launched at my window, trying to put it through.

After a few days they stopped doing it, but I still had other confrontations with the main guy who tried to goad me into a fight one afternoon when he was with his girl. I left him with an open-ended warning and reported him to the police.

I'm not confrontational, I'm not violent, I never lost my temper enough when I was the victim of violence to really fight back, but at the time I lived alone and I thought I might as well at least try and defend myself seeing as this was my home.

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Obvious-Stage-6792@reddit

This happened to us when I was growing up. They managed to kick the door in as well as other damage. Police did absolutely nothing.

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Griff-Man17@reddit

Get a big dog

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RevolutionaryWorry87@reddit

Do you own? If so, I think you need to deal with this head on.

Rent? Move. Now.

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Omg_stop@reddit

It's a social media trend at the moment, we just went through a few weeks of this before they 1. we're motivated to take action, 2.) took action.

You are more than likely not the only one in your area having this happen, check your local Facebook or neighborhood page (I know, but they are useful for something) and start connecting with others who are experiencing it. Have everyone report EVERY instance, and do it through the police's online portal if you can... that way there is a paper trail.

If the police have open surgery hours coordinate for as many people to attend as possible. I had to take time off work to attend which was annoying AF (why do I have to take a penalty to get you to do your damn job?) but in the end it put pressure on then to do something.

it took about three weeks for them to catch the kids. They had to appear Infront of a magistrate from what I heard.

dune if my neighbours have installed motion detection cameras and lights...a house at both ends of the street, actually, so this probably helps as well.

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MrD-88@reddit

A good fucking hiding

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Fit_Faithlessness157@reddit

Bright lights.

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ChoakIsland@reddit

Hello Police, kids door... I think I saw a gun.

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imfedupofthisnow@reddit

Buy an air rifle.

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FissureStevens420@reddit

Invest in a torch with a Lumen count in the thousands.

They'll never find your door again. Problem solved!

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theexoticslice@reddit

Cayenne pepper infused water out of the top window should do the trick. They need a good smacking tbh.

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strongbowblade@reddit

Definitely start with cameras and motion activated lights. If the police aren't being helpful get in touch with your local councillor and MP, ask if they would recommend a program called Clear-hold-build or a PSPO for your area. Also it's likely that these kids are targeting other people, so if you can gather reports from others in your area it will strengthen your case and make it more likely that action will be taken.

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Fine-Ad6532@reddit

Camara police . Where is this ?

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SuuperD@reddit

Shag their Dads

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SauconyAlts@reddit

Police won't do shit they're useless, only things that getvus banned will work or as someone else said vicious home alone style home defences

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Ok-Veterinarian969@reddit

Dog

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FalseCandy402@reddit

Hot water + sugar.

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CarpetGripperRod@reddit

"Prison napalm"!

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Altruistic_Ad_7061@reddit

I had trouble with a neighbour years ago. The police were useless until I got my local MP involved. Complete change in attitude then.

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-Xfear-@reddit

Get a camera.

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Actual-Morning110@reddit

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boppaPSN@reddit

Hire ninjas

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AdIntelligent9133@reddit

Hire a little Middle Eastern kid to live with you and then if it happens whilst he’s living there you can call the police and say it’s a racist attack. Or hang up an Israel flag say you’re Jewish and when the youths inevitably bring it down they could get done for anti-semitism.

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RadaghasztII@reddit

Too much internet, bad for brainy

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Ambitious-Win-9408@reddit

Hey mate. Just a heads up: your life is shit because of your own poor life decisions, not because of anyone living in this country who wasn't born here. Maybe if you spent a bit more time on reflection and self improvement, rather than online gaming and inserting a whiny complaint about immigration in every comment you make, you'd find your life gets a little better.

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Bright-War-5033@reddit

A bucket of water by the window will do the trick 👍🏼

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pdp76@reddit

Smack in the face old schools style. Then when they bring their dads round, smack their faces as well. Job done. All this camera and complaints stuff is nonsense and lengthy.

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lithiumcentury@reddit

If you have a camera they will likely wear masks and break the camera. A motion sensitive flood light might help, but only if out of reach and not near windows in case they throw stones at it. In all seriousness, the least stressful thing to do is move house. If you're renting that will be easy. If you own the place, then it is best not to report to the police or to the council as you will have to declare that when you sell and it will make it impossible to sell. Sorry it's not a great answer, but it's the best you can do unless you are prepared for escalating violence.

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Upper-Eggplant2679@reddit

4 times, with 5 minute intervals, so 15 minutes from the start, did the police not arrive in time?

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watchman28@reddit

Gun

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Vast-Heron8963@reddit

Cameras and doorbell cameras can actually attract people as it is more of a challenge..Anyway with hoodies scarfs shades hats etc there will be no proof who it is.Put all your energy into finding somewhere else to move.It wont stop until there old enough to go to pubs.They are bored.But i appreciate the anxiety and dredd most evenings.

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chipsandbeans24@reddit

Lots of security lights and cameras. Gather evidence and then lodge a complaint with said evidence to the police.

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Plastic_Doughnut_911@reddit

A sign saying “smile for the camera” even if there isn’t one.

Also ask neighbours if they have camera footage. Tbf they’re not expensive and can be pointed out of windows just overnight for this issue.

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Old-Base8752@reddit

Gotta go with 'home alone' style action. Hit em with some paint guns, water guns, put firecrackers around the entrance and light the area up very bright.

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Decent-Office-5431@reddit

Water guns, filled with nice warm piss, and with the air tank hooked up to an air compressor. Should more or less turn it into a water/piss Gatling gun.

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Vast-Heron8963@reddit

You need to move is the only honest answer..You complaining or calling the police is probaly the "Right"thing to do but it could make things worse.And its not just ONE person theres a group of them.One might stop but the others probaly wont and they all egg each other on etc.Menace to society they just dont care one bit. Are you renting/Are you able to move or house swap( IF it is social housing)how long have you lived there?

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SnooEagles3530@reddit

A dog

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Flonkerton_Scranton@reddit

You are posting from a rectangle with a camera stuck inside it. Use it to point at them and press the red circle on the screen to make the still images stick together in sort of a moving montage that you can rewatch. It's a great feature.

Also sorry you are being targeted. Sounds like a shit situation and those kids need their doors kicking in.

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

I mentioned that I only managed to see them getting off on their bikes. I don’t know if you know this but recording in the dark often leaves you with a recording of nothing but the dark

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Junior_Factor8561@reddit

A modern security camera switches to night mode automatically and produces decent footage. My wifi one was under £20 on Amazon and just sits indoors on the windowsill. Probably time to do some research rather than turn down every suggestion being made

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Automatic_Screen1064@reddit

Tapo cameras off amazon, capture footage and put on local Facebook group

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Itsnotme74@reddit

Sensor sprinklers, sensor lights and some kind of sensor activated noise alert.

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AirconGuyUK@reddit

How often do they do it? Get some mates to stay over your house, balaclava up with bits of wood/bats in hand, and just rush them after first kick.

They prey on the weak, so a show of force is needed.

Police are fucking pointless.

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Serious-Big2@reddit

The most obvious answer would be to get a door bell camera and next time take the footage to the police.

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Keywi1@reddit

The problem with this is they could pull it off with enough force, and if they’re covering their faces I doubt the police will do anything about it.

They need cameras higher up, ideally a floodlight camera.

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zeekillabunny_@reddit

Big hand held siren and a strobe light out the window would do the trick I bet

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Apart-Pea4726@reddit

If minors are out at 3am could you try social services as it’s a child welfare issue ?

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Daffodils28@reddit

Floodlights. Motion-detector floodlights.

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contemplating7@reddit

Lighting I think is the most important action. A camera won't get sufficient detail without decent light.

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Plums69@reddit

Lights, camera - action!

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Jknzboy@reddit

3am? What a coincidence! The perfect time to suddenly start watering your front garden.

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scotslogie@reddit

With a nice freshly boiled kettle lol

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SozoAirsoft@reddit

Get an airsoft rifle, tracer unit and camp by the window. Once you get them, what will they do? Call police and say that they Messi g around d at 3am, naaah, you win they lose

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ButterscotchBest8866@reddit

Cameras are useless in this case if they are hooded & masked up.

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ScorpiusRexus@reddit

We were having issues the same as you, in Scotland. Got a camera for the door and phoned the police everytime it happened. Bastards were never caught but the police did follow through with visiting my address and phone appointments. Keep calling them.

I'm sorry you're dealing with this as well, it's so upsetting.

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happylurker233@reddit

Camera, security light, big loud dog

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ChineseRobinWilliams@reddit

I don't know about any of you lot but usually around 3am I pour out any of the unused boiling water from that day, out the window.

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SteveR_1971@reddit

Sit up in the window in the dark with a squeezy bottle of permanent dye

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Timely_Cap_1483@reddit

Just get a camera mate, they cost the price of a pint of piss, then problem solved.

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big-chef-sean@reddit

Piss bucket

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Putrid-Function5666@reddit

Get a doorbell cam ASAP

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Substantial-Sell8913@reddit

We bring back gun laws that's how

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CarrowCanary@reddit

The gun laws are fine if it's genuinely self-defence in your own home.

Tony Martin only got done because he shot Fred Barras in the back while he was trying to escape out of the window, and because he didn't have a shotgun licence (he had it revoked after shooting someone's car when he caught them nicking his apples a decade previously).

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Kyledidntdoit@reddit

Camera and name and shame them on Facebook. Seems to be the only thing that works

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HighFly2244@reddit

Call police while trying to de-escalate. If door actually gets kicked in…. Half a mag to the chest/face for all of them. Then call police again; then call lawyers.

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

You do realise you’re on r/askUK right?

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ProofLegitimate9990@reddit

We don’t do that here

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Widebody_lover@reddit

Move house

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limbless_Mountain@reddit (OP)

Yeahhh let me just pack up and move real quick surely that’s gotta be soooo easy and so inexpensive

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Widebody_lover@reddit

Is there somewhere you could stay whilst this blows over?

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Gixxer1000k@reddit

Ahh yes, leave your home unattended while people are trying to kick the door in

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Naive_Reach2007@reddit

Set up camera, try and identify them, ring 101 ask for neighborhood police to visit to advise on what to do.

You could also find out which school they go to and inform the head, this might get some action taken.

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Historically, boiling oil was a good deterrent.

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