I spent three years slow traveling Latin America and can’t imagine being back in the USA now.
Posted by oaklicious@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 27 comments
I grew up in a Latino neighborhood and spoke Spanish and enjoyed Latin music from a young age. I had always romanticized Latin America, and three years ago after a failed relationship and stressful engineering career I quit my job and started riding a motorcycle south with no destination. I got all the way to Ushuaia Argentina and wrapped all the way back up through Brazil, staying often in places for months at a time.
I’m trying to separate the harder realities of people’s lives here from the vacation goggles I’m inevitably seeing it all with. That being said, this experience has crashed through my feelings about life like a tidal wave.
I always felt really lonely in the US, and the ease of social connections in LatAm has transformed my self esteem. I have been blown away by the priority many Latinos put on social connection. Friends I made years ago now regularly reach out to check up on me. I meet people in their 40s or 50s with families who still go out and socialize regularly. Seeing friends doesn’t feel like another chore on your laundry list, it’s just part of your lifestyle. Work is so decentralized from identity that I barely know what most of my Latino friends’ jobs are.
I now feel that the loneliness I felt in the US isn’t an indicator of some deficiency with myself but with the society as a whole.
And I am sorry about how this sounds but I found dating here much more enjoyable. I am not trying to talk like a passport bro and say that Latin women are “easy” or “traditional” (they’re not), but the entire process of expressing yourself romantically just felt so much more direct and authentic. It always felt like okay, I like you, you like me, let’s make it happen! Why would we fuck around hiding our feelings or playing games?
So I’m heading back to the US in a month to go back to work. I think I’m going to give it a year and try to understand if the dissatisfaction I felt with American life was because of my own approach or because my personal values just don’t align with the culture.
I do not care about optimizing anything or having an ambitious career. I do not want to amass wealth beyond enough to provide the basics for myself and my potential family. However, I do care a lot about social bonds and spending time with friends and family. So I am coming back to the US feeling like even a year back home is just wasting time I could be better spent working on starting a career in either Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador or in particular Argentina.
I am a fluent Spanish speaker FYI with a decade of mechanical engineering experience. I would consider Brazil as well but my Portuguese is simply not good enough (I speak it at a B1/2 level).
Pardon the long post, I think I am just wondering if my thoughts here resonate with anyone who’s further along on a similar journey and how your decision to leave or stay worked out for you.
VicemanPro@reddit
I get you. I've lived in LATAM the last 6 years. Would never go back to the usa.
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
Do you mind me asking where you ended up and how you made that work in terms of finances and in particular visas/residency?
VicemanPro@reddit
I have ended up in Peru the last 3 years but that was because of my ex. I now treat it as a home base as I continue traveling.
I primarily work remotely for US companies as a senior cybersecurity analyst, but I also made my own cybersecurity business in Peru for residency. Before the business, I was a student at a school here for Spanish, but they changed the requirements so I had to go the professional route.
Sufficient-Job7098@reddit
Why not stay then permanently, live like locals, work like locals, raise your kids with opportunities that are available for local kids?
That is what I did when I moved abroad. 2+ decades I am still here. My kids were raised and educated here, they work local jobs and date/married locally too.
rmk556x45@reddit
This right here. Says he doesn’t care bout money but goes on what’s essentially a long vacation. I’m not knocking it just pointing out the discrepancy between word and dead.
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
The irony isn’t lost on me, but I had to edit a bit for brevity. I DO care about money - to a certain point. I do want to live a reasonably comfortable life and have space for things like health care and occasional vacations. But not to the extent that a lot of Americans value amassing wealth for its own sake.
I am not saying I would be happy living in some shitty favela "as long as I have community".
rmk556x45@reddit
I think despite three years of traveling Latin America you’re still idealizing it. You haven’t had to really navigate the bureaucracy, low wages, and corruption that the everyday person has to deal with. The long vacation comes to roost when you’re filing taxes and paperwork and just notice how much slower things move in general to get things done. There’s a reason lots of people emigrate to the U.S./Canada/Western Europe from places like Africa and Latin America. Yet you’re going back to the world’s largest single economy in a relatively upper middle class industry. Take a minute and ponder if you can’t find community and cultural connection to your roots in the U.S. because it exists and seems like you haven’t really tried.
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
I do indeed acknowledge that, which is why I made this post to get some perspective from others who had similar feelings at some point and decided to take the plunge
babijar@reddit
Try community then and don’t come back. Why are you even coming back with story like this?
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
Mostly because I need to work again and the US is where my professional network is. I’m going to take a shot at applying for some jobs in my countries of interest in the meantime and see if anything bites.
Crazy_Hospital5773@reddit
OP's a rich white dude, whose getting a ton of attention larping in a low income country.
He's living on a high of main character syndrome.
Wytch78@reddit
He says he grew up in a Latino neighborhood
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
That’s precisely what I’m considering doing. The difficulty a lot of people face living in Latin America relative to the US is certainly not lost on me, but I don’t know. A lot of the friends I made there didn’t live with as much material wealth as the US but all agreed they preferred living in their country rather than the US.
babijar@reddit
Awesome! Join them then.
Sufficient-Job7098@reddit
They preferred living at home, where their elderly parents are, where their siblings are, where their cousins are, where they speak language with native fluency, where they understand each other cultural references, share the same religion and so on.
In wealthy countries and in poor countries most people tend to prefer living at home vs becoming immigrants in unfamiliar, foreign country.
I moved abroad to be with my foreign partner, but most people back home are choosing to stay home instead of moving to a different country, no matter what that country may be.
Most Brazilians are more comfortable at home than as immigrants in Sweden. Most Russians are more comfortable at home than as immigrants in Turkey, Most Australians are more comfortable at home than as immigrants in NL.
Broad_Abalone_9289@reddit
All you say is true. If I were you, I would try to settle in Latin America.
The-American-Abroad@reddit
why not just live in a latino-predominant area in a US city? You get the economy plus the culture you prefer.
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
Those are actually the only parts of the US I would live in in the first place haha. Sadly my government is doing their level best to terrorize those communities at this time.
The-American-Abroad@reddit
And you think living in a random part of Latin America is going to be safer?
You sound pretty clueless about real life honestly
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
I don’t see a connection between my comment and yours actually, but you seem like you have an ax to grind arguing with people on the internet
gadgetvirtuoso@reddit
I moved to Ecuador about 3 years ago. Met my now wife here and just applied for naturalization just this week. We might go to the US just so we can get her a better passport. Applying for visas for her is time consuming and expensive after a while. I don’t really feel the need to go back other than to visit or something.
babijar@reddit
Better passport? Where do you want to travel to, like Iran?
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
I loved Ecuador and Ecuadorian people. It is in the list of countries I would really consider moving to, maybe Quito or Cuenca. It sucks how fucked up Noboa is but then living in the US I can’t be all that snobby about the quality of political leadership.
phiiota@reddit
It might be better to live a FIRE lifestyle and enough social security credits to get SSI and then retire very early in the country of your choice.
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
Certainly an avenue I am considering as with my engineering career I can make a lot of money in the US.
Fortemuito@reddit
I agree that life in Latin America can be superior to the United States.
Do you have citizenship or the right to live in any of those countries? Start an online business and work from there.
I started an online business and will never return to the United States. Things are getting horrible there.
oaklicious@reddit (OP)
I have really no formal way I could stay unless I got sponsored for a work visa, which is a big part of why Argentina’s generous immigration policies make it particularly appealing for me.
I am a mechanical engineer and will look into applying for jobs in Argentina. I just feel a little lost about where to look I suppose.