Aston Martin v12 swapped Mercedes 190e Evo II project
Posted by THartje@reddit | projectcar | View on Reddit | 107 comments
One of my project cars found it’s way to the Projectcar community and seemed to be some interest and questions so I will share a bit more about it.
Long story short, its an Aston Martin v12 swapped Mercedes 190e with an Evo II body kit. Owning an Evo II replica has been a goal but the original 4 cylinder engines never appealed to me. I grew with the F1 v12s as my hero cars. I want to own something that has that could produce that screaming exhaust note. That’s the closest explanations as to “why” I can get to. Other than that its just the enjoyment of finding a way to make it work.
I picked up the car and the engine in ’24. Mercedes was barely running but a blown head gasket and sloppy suspension but other than that a solid start. First issue with putting a V engine in a 190e is the steering box. It’s very much in the way of everything on the driver’s side. I borrowed an idea from another Mercedes 190e project and swapped in front C63 knuckles and a BMW steering rack. Some custom camber plates allowed me to run BC Racing front coil overs from a C63. I also had a complete set of Aston Martin brake calipers for the project so the fronts were mounted at the same time.
The body kit itself came from UMB in Thailand. He does a lot of Mercedes and DTM kits along with some one-off custom stuff. He does exceptional work and it fits like a gloves.
Car was gutted, original engine was pulled and the chassis sent to the fab shop in Dec of ’24. It has been slow progress unfortunately but welding is just outside of my skillset. So far the Aston Martin v12 and Tremec t56 are mounted, equal length 6 into 1 headers have been fabricated along with the full exhaust. Quarter panels have been cut to fit the body kit. Once the front fenders have been tubbed, transmission tunnel completed, and 240sx diff mounted the car will be coming back to me.
The project still has a long way to go. Not going to simply drop the engine in and get it running. The goal is to have a comfortable GT cruiser for the family, not a bare bones track car. Probably have this running in 2029. Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions, it's appreciated!
SleestackMcGee@reddit
Keep us posted.
Local_Bobcat_2000@reddit
What’s in the Lotus?? 3 years is very acceptable for a home project like this. Love that it will be a street car and not track suspension.
THartje@reddit (OP)
Lotus has the original v8 & transaxle that's been modified to 630tq/hp. Was built with the same approach, OEM+ to enjoy with the family. Now I just need something with more seats 😂
Dbracing91@reddit
AI ? 👀
THartje@reddit (OP)
possibly 😶
Zglena@reddit
The only blasphemi in that builds is the fact that you're not making 12 into 1 for real F1 scream. But i understand space will be a problem. Either way insane build.
THartje@reddit (OP)
F1 cars only had a 6 into 1 exhaust... the real trick would be getting this v12 to rev to 13,000rpm twice.
lord_flashheart2000@reddit
That is awesome! I hope you leave the 2.6 badge on the back 🙂
THartje@reddit (OP)
😂🤣 Most likely will not... been thinking about removing all the Mercedes badges and adding AM wings instead 🫣
124Enjoyer@reddit
Adding AM badges to a car meant to look like an EVO II would really be a poor match. The AM V12 is based on a Mercedes M120 anyways, no?
THartje@reddit (OP)
No, AM V12 is entirely different from the M120. The AM V12 was based on the Ford Duratec which was just a single cylinder and combustion chamber that Porsche designed. When Aston Martin engineers designed the AM v12 they basically used the Duratec as a starting point.
foamsprayer@reddit
At least you didn't say that it's 2 duratec v6s slapped together. Sweet build!
THartje@reddit (OP)
Lol seems to be the common misconception. The actual development story is pretty interesting https://www.designjudges.com/articles/the-origins-of-aston-martins-v12
ARottenPear@reddit
I think you need to bore that 6.0 to 6.2 and flip the 2.6 badge around.
Nickelsass@reddit
Remind me in 2029 May 30th to come back to check this
punkassjim@reddit
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Cheap-Course9568@reddit
Remind me when you get reminded, eh?
Bozhark@reddit
That’s o my three years away?!? Ffs
punkassjim@reddit
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I gotta see/hear this shit when it’s done. Like. How do I remind myself to come back
64Olds@reddit
Holy fuck. This is amazing.
connorddennis@reddit
Good god man. My jaw lowered a 1/4" every time I scrolled to the next picture.
Wulph422@reddit
Oh my God. Oh my God. OH MY GODDD!!! This is gorgeous I can't wait to see it complete. Fuck, I can't wait to hear it turn over!!!
LordoftheUmpaLumpas@reddit
Dude...you are Dr. Frankenstein
Advanced-Ear-7908@reddit
I didn't know I also needed this until now
someonehasmygamertag@reddit
Awesome build!
Still waiting for Tony Angelo to finish his Foxbody
bluenosesutherland@reddit
Been on hold since he blew the engine up.
methlabforcuties@reddit
They're fire sale-ing cars on Stay Tuned so he can buy more V12 parts
vroomvroompanda@reddit
I think itll get sold before ta finishes it lol love ta but I think itll get sold before
Boots-N-Stuff@reddit
oneninethree_@reddit
Fuck yes!
mattoattacko@reddit
Stellar idea OP. Good luck on your build, and I hope you keep us updated of any interesting milestones. Can’t wait to see what you come up with.
Bozhark@reddit
Fucking cool
NotTheSharpestPenciI@reddit
r/AwesomeCarMods
Sweet, sweet project, dude. Don't forget to update us while the project takes shape!
basicKitsch@reddit
Man the 190e is one of my favorite cars ever. Thanks for sharing this dope ass project
invol713@reddit
I have a soft spot in my heart for 190s as well. I will forever miss my old project. I had an ‘87 2.5 turbodiesel, which was rare enough. I also had every single part in hand to put the Cossie 16V 5-speed manual transmission in it. But I got into financial trouble and had to sell it all before I could do the swap. I will never get over that. Out of all of the cars I’ve owned in my life, I wish I could have that one back.
THartje@reddit (OP)
I've seen some cossie engine cars pop up for sale but rare for sure. Mine was a m103 engine but oddly now is a cossie is they played a role in the final development of the AM v12.
Tiny_Hyena_6474@reddit
Hey hey how is it going lol I was the one who posted it
THartje@reddit (OP)
Yeah it was your post I saw. You working on something with Jeffrey too?
Tiny_Hyena_6474@reddit
Welded an arm onto my rear diff yes sir
juwyro@reddit
Those headers are artwork
THartje@reddit (OP)
Yeah he did an amazing job with them. He's not amused that i'm going to ceramic coat them 😶
Confident-Dog7838@reddit
What’s wrong with coating them? Genuinely curious. Absolutely love this btw
THartje@reddit (OP)
His welds are really nicely done and they are stainless steel. Ceramic coating will hide the color in the metal and the welds.
Confident-Dog7838@reddit
Ahh I see, ty for the reply
InPicnicTableWeTrust@reddit
Did you rev it before bolting on the muffler? V12's sound incredible!
Beautiful work!
THartje@reddit (OP)
Not at all unfortunately. Completely lacks a fuel system, ECU and wiring. Just received it as an engine on a pallet.
Nervous_Occasion_882@reddit
Sick build...I need to see the esprit though lol
THartje@reddit (OP)
That was the previous 3 year long project. That's how I know this wont be done any quicker 😂
GrandExtension7293@reddit
Freaking cool man! First picture I knew you are in AZ! Hope to see this at a car show! Good work!
THartje@reddit (OP)
Oh yeah, will probably take it to some shows and meets once its done!
9abeFPV@reddit
Fucking sweet!
MyMotorStory_app@reddit
Insane! Amazing, any special plans for interior as well?
THartje@reddit (OP)
Thanks man! Not much set in stone yet with the interior. Will keep the 3 seats in the back and swapping the front seats for something a bit more sporty. Possibly some 190e Recaro seats. New carpets, headliner, and leather on the seats either way. Not sure if I'm going to go for carbon fiber or wood trim. I'd like to keep the analog gauges and not move to a digital dash.
SensualBeefLoaf@reddit
i got recaro ls’s for my wifes car, they really help the headroom issues i had while driving it. the wood trim bits are flax composite. door panels and center console are getting remade in flax composite with partial leather trim when i get around to it.
i think people are sleeping on flax composites. they have a nice natural look but also racecar.
SensualBeefLoaf@reddit
lol. i just bought an m111 for mine. 50 buck says i’ll be done first.
lol. cool project though, you have a youtube?
THartje@reddit (OP)
I would be disappointed in you if you didn't 😂
SensualBeefLoaf@reddit
really though. i love the absolutely insane project. keep bein’ awesome.
dumbname0192837465@reddit
Yogiiibearr69@reddit
This is fucking aweeeeeeesssome !!!!
Holy moly
DamagedGoods13@reddit
I support this!
TicklerVikingPilot@reddit
This might be one of the coolest project I’ve seen, well done!
THartje@reddit (OP)
Thanks man, still a long way to go!
Prometheus596@reddit
Absolutely awesome!!! Just one question… Why an Aston Martin V12 instead of a Mercedes M120?
THartje@reddit (OP)
Really just done like the look of the M120. Really not loyal to the brand or felt any need to stick with a Mercedes engine.
Cactusmany@reddit
Wow…
GuineaPigsAreNotFood@reddit
If you had come asking if this could be done everybody would've been over you lol
Great work
THartje@reddit (OP)
Lol it was an initially an interesting conversation with the guy who is going to do the fab work for sure 😂
Medium_Tap_159@reddit
You just made a reliable car unreliable.
THartje@reddit (OP)
I don't believe I have, or will once its finished. AM v12 is pretty proven as a reliable engine. Tremec T56 is also a solid transmission. It might end up being the most reliable car I own 🤔
Greaseskull@reddit
How do I follow this build?!
THartje@reddit (OP)
I keep updates on IG Bespoke_Esprit
hawaii_dude@reddit
Which AM v12 are you using?
THartje@reddit (OP)
Its an early AM 6.0L v12 '02-'04, pre VVT. Intake manifolds are from a later v12. In the end the engine is getting gutted and rebuilt too, may not even remain 6.0L.
Fangletron@reddit
Crazy
Fangletron@reddit
That plate. ;)
Lopsided-Spend-1073@reddit
This is fucking bonkers. I love it.
JojitheFrenchie@reddit
This rocks! I love the vision!
BigPimpin91@reddit
Body kit. 😍😍😍
lynivvinyl@reddit
This is absolutely nuts and I love it! Such a purist!
burntblacktoast@reddit
I love it. Nothing is sacred, especially machines
lynivvinyl@reddit
Mixing and matching parts on vehicles can really sometimes make them better. Similarly interracial relationships can make some beautiful children. Some people are very against it but the end result can be breathing.
burntblacktoast@reddit
Wait, what? Please dont equate project cars and people
lynivvinyl@reddit
What if you got a bionic arm that worked even better than your original arm and you could add attachments? And you had all of those attachments. You know a 10 mm on your index finger would rock! You would probably never lose it.
burntblacktoast@reddit
I can get behind a cyber arm. I want a 6mm hex wrench pinky.
lynivvinyl@reddit
I really lucked out one week and had to put 60 office chairs together. Each of the office chairs came with a 6 mm Allen key that was of amazing quality. I actually used them everyday for 17 years and was very happy to get them. Unfortunately I was dumb and gave a lot of them away until I only had 10 left. Thinking I would never use more than 10 for the rest of my life. I now have only 2 but I don't work at the same company anymore therefore don't use them daily.
burntblacktoast@reddit
Like that guy and his spool of wire...Dust in the wind, man, dust in the wind
petaahah@reddit
the purist plate is chef's kiss
Cordura@reddit
Love the plates
Wolfgeorge@reddit
Fantastic project! You have a page or a YouTube channel we can follow this build! Love such swaps ..
THartje@reddit (OP)
I keep my IG Bespoke_Esprit pretty up to date. I try to post stuff on youtube using TomHartje but video just isn't my thing.
Wolfgeorge@reddit
I feel you about the video.. Not my thing as well .. Its a very very cool project
Wolfgeorge@reddit
Fantastic.. Thank you
MaaaadPilot@reddit
A hero among mortals, well done you. This is the shit that makes me love working on cars
THartje@reddit (OP)
Thanks man! I feel like its off to a good start at least. Viable project but a long road ahead.
ajm91730@reddit
WOW! Super cool project.
Just out of curiosity why the Aston engine over a Mercedes m120?
Is there much swap stuff for the Aston engine, or is it all custom? Transmission adapter, engine control, etc.
THartje@reddit (OP)
Honestly it came down to aesthetics... the m120 looks like an ugly box. Either way it would be the same amount of work and possibly a better engine for my goals but its just not appealing.
I did want a manual transmission so one save is the early AM v12 cars had a Tremec t56 option so I snatched one of those up.
Oscarmolle@reddit
You should create a youtube channel or IG, If you dont have one already, No need for the vlogging stuff or talking just some pictures with updates of the build
THartje@reddit (OP)
I use the IG Bespoke_Esprit for updates. YouTube is too labor intensive 😂I've used forums in the past also because it gives a more permanent record than social media.
jbjhill@reddit
FB and social media have done so much damage to the knowledge base that is forums. It’s kind of weird to me that FB in particular doesn’t allow itself to be used that way and intentionally obfuscates.
captstinkybutt@reddit
Holy shit this is awesome.
auntybainbridge1@reddit
This is so awesome. Please post updates as you have time
highlift@reddit
MeNameIsDerp@reddit
I mean this with peace and love… what the fuck????
IAmJames605@reddit
I love this sub
MoonJr77@reddit
awesome and unique project. please keep sharing!