Can someone help me understand the obsession with football?
Posted by DueLead666@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 566 comments
I'm a woman who doesn't care about football at all. I've been raised in a football watching household and have a partner who is absolutely obsessed. We can't go out at certain times because he has to be home watching the match and if I do manage to get him out of the house on a match day he's not present at all and constantly checks his phone for updates. Then it's the football podcasts, the groupchats for discussing football, the post match analysis, it's impossible to avoid.
I feel like so much of my life revolves around this sport that I couldn't care less about. I don't understand the whole "WE did it" thing when a team wins, because YOU didn't do anything as a fan, did you? I don't understand the rage and sorrow that comes with losing or an unfair decision, nor the joy that comes with a win. I know I'm probably about to receive a fair amount of heat for my opinion but I just had to vent a little bit. I just want it to all go away if I'm honest. Curious to hear others opinions!
TrappedMoose@reddit
I think something worth remembering is that you don’t have to organise your whole life around it! If your partner wants to stay in a watch the game nothing (should) stop you from going out alone or with friends or just doing something else in the house. Obviously he might appreciate it if you show interest in/show up for big games or events but I can only assume you have hobbies he doesn’t take part in, there’s no need for you to take part in his every time 🤷🏼
Special_Artichoke@reddit
I have no interest in watching a second of it but my life still revolves around it:
Can't do anything with partner at certain times that cannot be rearranged unlike my hobbies which fit around plans. A friend's wedding had a group of men crowded round an iPad for 2 hours, rude imo.
Can't plan to be on holiday when there MAY be a playoff game or FA cup game or just "an important league game"
Mood often negatively impacted, I don't come home from my hobbies angrier than when I went.
And it's ALWAYS fucking on tele. If not league, it's champions league, its world cup. And there's an air of THIS IS IMPORTANT that no other tv show I like has. And it HAS to be live, taking up the whole evening.
My partner also likes to play padel and this has zero impact on my life, idc, it is just the football.
BonusAdvanced2932@reddit
Wow. I dated a guy in my early 20s that would’ve been like this. The first time he came over he stuck the tele on with barely a word, told me the football’s on and told me to get him a drink… That was the last time I saw him. This childish behaviour shouldn’t be tolerated by anyone unless it is truly a shared interest/hobby. If life truly revolves around these details then it seems it should be a dealbreaker in a relationship, imo.
I am with someone who gives zero shits about football. Neither do I. And that works!
Watching football on an iPad at a WEDDING when we literally live in a world of catch-up TV and streaming is WILD. Of course it is rude, it’s absolutely incensing! These man-children are implying that the family or friend who cared enough to invite them to celebrate the most important day of their lives, paid for them to eat and drink and share their special memories, felt watching a group of overpaid strangers doing PE is more important.
morespin@reddit
Wow, what an asshole. You should have poured the beer all over him and kicked him out immediately.
Popular-History1015@reddit
If your first paragraph is correct, honestly you dodged a huge bullet. I am a male and I wouldn’t dream of behaving like that. What an entitled piece of shit
TrappedMoose@reddit
To be honest if it’s this pervasive/extreme I would be considering whether my life is compatible with my partner’s or not. Especially if they don’t take your hobbies as seriously, I just wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life
ExcitementKooky418@reddit
I can't imagine anyone putting up with that level of obsession for any other hobby or interest.
I get that football is basically the most important sport in the country, but it's not EVEEYONE that's into it, especially to that extent.
There's literally DOZENS of us who equally do not have any interest in football
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
Maybe we should start a support group 🤷🏽♀️🤣
Spiderinahumansuit@reddit
I'm a man, can I join? I don't hate it as a sport, but it leaves me completely cold, and do hate the presumption that I should be interested because I have a penis.
1nspectorCPW@reddit
Me too, another bloke with no interest in football. Never understood why an overgrown 12 year old diva gets paid millions of pounds a year for running round a field for an hour and a half a couple of times a week. Or why it's elevated from a game to a status of religious tribalism. Rugby is a much better game with no necessity to keep fans segregated. I'm a rugby supporter, but the sort of behaviour the OP described is an alien concept to me.
triz___@reddit
They get paid that amount because the sport brings in a large amount of money. Presumably if enough people liked rugby they would get paid the same. To me this attitude reeks of classism, these no good council estate jumped up chavs or roadmen earning millions of pounds is disgusting etc. presumably you’d want the many millions brought into the sport to bypass the employees and go into the hands of the owners and the elite class? I never see this energy focused at tennis players or actors.
1nspectorCPW@reddit
Yes, I get it and happily accept the downvote but you're wrong about me with the class thing. I was brought up on a council estate and was an ordinary factory worker all my life until I retired. I'm very much a solid working class bloke who just happens to prefer rugby to football, that's all. Nothing to do with class. And I agree with your point about the tennis players and actors. And I accept that the TV money doesn't filter down the leagues as much as it perhaps should do. It just seems to me as a layman that the top tier pay is disproportionate to the job. It may be biased media coverage leading to a misguided opinion but there does seem to more prima donnas, egos and criminal charges associated with footballers than with other sports.
triz___@reddit
I’m unsure as to how the pay could be disproportionate though. They have a share of the revenue based on their skill and importance to the team and subsequent revenue. They earn a lot because they bring in a lot. Where else would the money go? Personally I’m very happy for working class kids to make it good and become very rich, as to do that they have to be extraordinarily talented. Football is the biggest sport in the world, billions of children want to play at the top level, the few that make it are incredible athletes. Even if 21 year old lads straight out of the estates act poorly on occasion after becoming rich.
1nspectorCPW@reddit
What I meant by disproportionate was simply the amount of money received in return for the amount of work done. Looked at as a share of the money generated by that work does bring it more in line of course. I don't dispute that footballers are talented and highly skilled players and great assets to their club.To go back the rugby analogy however, a soccer player and a rugby player both have the same respective tactical skills regarding game awareness, positioning, anticipation, ball skills etc. Rugby is a much more physical game though that often involves a higher workload. Firefighters, airline pilots, foundry workers and many more occupations have higher workloads than footballers for a fraction of the pay. That's what I meant by disproportionate. I'm not denigrating football itself, if it wasn't a good game it wouldn't be so globally loved. It's just not for me, that's all. We're all different, luckily 🙂
triz___@reddit
Again I’d have to disagree. Higher workload receiving higher pay hasn’t been a thing since hunter gatherer times. It’s how much revenue you can generate. That’s why pilots earn more than factory workers. That’s why rugby players earn more than checkout operators. Again I ask, where would you want the revenue to go? I’m a lefty so I’m very happy to see it going to the employees in this business are you suggesting that the owners of the business should increase their share of money?
And it’s not really the point but footballers do a lot more running than rugby players. That’s a much larger workload. And football and rugby being the same level of skill? I don’t believe that no. For every one kid that wants to be a rugby player whrn they grow up you have 10,000 that want to be a footballer. You have to be much much better to make it to the top level. And it’s because of that interest and love for the game that the money exists.
To sum up footballers get paid correctly in my view.
1nspectorCPW@reddit
I'll respectfully differ on the workload issue but yes, I'm happy to agree with you that if the money is coming in then the players should get a fair share. I just question the amount of money in the first place but if its being given then you take it.
triz___@reddit
You can differ if you like but sadly that’s simply not the way the world works. Otherwise we’d all be battling to become multimillionaire bin men.
Nice talking to you though lad 👍
1nspectorCPW@reddit
😅 You too. 👍🏻
No_Phrase_1910@reddit
"Mood often negatively impacted, I don't come home from my hobbies angrier than when I went"
Underrated comment 😂
frankchester@reddit
I feel like that is very extreme. My husband is a season ticket holder and a big fan and even then, I don’t have to worry about it as much as you. I try to avoid planning things around major games for his team, and other than the time I booked a flight home during the World Cup final, he’s fine to skip.
I’ll be honest though if he’s that much of a fan you either just have to accept it or break up with him because you’re not compatible.
Special_Artichoke@reddit
He will skip games, but when booking holidays and we have full flexibility he will say not that weekend cos it might be XYZ. We have been on flights during games, actually our most recent holiday he missed one, tried and failed to watch it once we were at hotel.
Haunting_Hour_4556@reddit
I love football, but I do find it weird that it gets this IMPORTANT pass on so many matters.
I would never been able to get away with sitting and watching the Royal Rumble at my desk, yet if I put a World Cup match on... somehow that's fine. We'll put it on the big screen in the office kitchen too. If you want to take an hour off to watch it, as long as you don't miss a client call or fall behind on deadlines, that's fine.
ChairmanWill@reddit
This sounds awful and I don’t think you should be forced to put up with it
noodledoodledoo@reddit
I'm not saying you should break up at all, I am not a qualified relationship advisor, but I could not personally be in a relationship like this. I grew up in a house like this but never really got invested in football at all, and all the years of watching my mum be frustrated because her life had to revolve around my dad & brother's football has seriously made me veto people with such a strong interest from my dating pool (I'm sure they're glad about that too tbh haha).
BonusAdvanced2932@reddit
I just said this. It’s not an equal relationship, don’t doesn’t really matter whether it’s football or something else (although it does make it more ridiculous), he is showing that he doesn’t value your interests equally and prioritises watch strangers having a play date over your happiness and sanity. I’d be having a hard conversation and setting some boundaries!
noodledoodledoo@reddit
Yep, a relationship where your interests, wants and plans be constantly sidelined or undermined is just really unhealthy and fundamentally unfair.
ZeroFrogsHere@reddit
Me and my partner both like football, my partner is into it more than me but never in our 8 year relationship has he told me we cannot go on holiday at a certain time because of a match. I think that is extreme tbh
TrustVisual1394@reddit
So dump them? It sounds like a frustrating way to live
Gingerpett@reddit
Isn't there some data that DV goes up after important matches (whether the perpetrators team wins or loses, bit more if they lose).
OkCaregiver517@reddit
There is. Can't be arsed to find it but it is a thing.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
We live in a studio, one TV, no other rooms unfortunately😭
el_duderino_316@reddit
Buy an iPad? One of you uses the TV, the other can watch something on that.
morespin@reddit
If you work it out please explain it to me. I’m male 50+ and don’t follow the game and never understood the fascination. I even worked at Wembley Stadium for 3years at a business owned by Wembley PLC which was sports related but only 10% of that business was football related.
JLaws23@reddit
I’ve come to realise some people need it in an almost therapeutic way.
It’s something detached (superficially) to the world’s issues and gives you something to look forward too.
It’s also a great emotional release for some people, they can shout out their emotions without hurting anyone.
Milita_leorio@reddit
there was a study done in Sunderland a decade ago. Men show more positive and negative emotions at football games than any other settings (funerals, weddings, airports etc)
LongAd4728@reddit
In some cases violence is integral. Also domestic violence is linked to football losses.
IhaveaDoberman@reddit
So is any mild inconvenience to the existence of an abuser.
It's a correlation, when cunts get effected by something, their cuntishness gets effected.
Misrepresenting it to imply causation is just pointless.
Football is the most subscribed hobby in the world, surprise surprise abusers are represented amongst the fans.
Important context for the typical redditor, I cannot and never have been able to stand football. So I'm not defending football in particular just, the much more important, basic understanding of statistics.
Tay74@reddit
I mean, I don't think people are claiming an exclusivity to football in this respect, but football inspires a certain emotional investment that most other hobbies and sports commonly subscribed to in this country don't. I doubt there is an equivalent rise when Wimbledon or the Olympics or even the golf or cricket doesn't go people's way. As a society we enable and encourage people to take football way too seriously, and that adds fuel to the fire in the overlap of the venn diagram between abusive pieces of shit and football fans
LongAd4728@reddit
Rugby Union in South Wales I believe. Not checked if that's a fact.
Tay74@reddit
I did say "most other" to account for the fact there would be a few other things, mostly sports, that would have a similar effect. The point is that most people are able to go through life letting their hobbies and interests be something that makes them happy, rather than something that drags then along an emotional rollecoaster that not only impacts their mental wellbeing, but impacts how they interact with others. This of course includes most football fans, however of those who aren't able to engage with hobbies in a chill and healthy way, a lot of them have chosen football, or a similar sport, as their fixation that they allow to rule their emotions.
Kind-Elder1938@reddit
but they DO hurt others - both on and off the pitch. It is almost back to its origins, of hordes of men crashing through the countryside over a ball, causing mayhem and injuries.
Imaginary_Hall_3413@reddit
The ‘they’ you are referring to is a very small proportion of football fans. For many people it is harmlessly cathartic
Tay74@reddit
It's still a higher proportion than just about any other sport or hobby...
Imaginary_Hall_3413@reddit
I haven’t seen any stats either way on that one. You may be right but don’t tar a whole group with the same brush. The thread is about why people like football, not ‘are football fans bad’
Act-Alfa3536@reddit
I think it's this. Life is tough, but following a sports team is always there for you.
JLaws23@reddit
Exactly, and even when your team does lose - it doesn’t really add to you daily cortisol levels, it’s more of a “shit happens” situation.
homhomham@reddit
I’ve had to take a step back from politics, which I love, because it’s felt so hopeless. Football has happily filled that void, as well as the community, belonging, the game itself etc etc it’s great to focus on something that in all reality does not have an impact on the quality of my life or others
Direct_Instance_8655@reddit
Yes, i think there's a lot in this. It's precisely because it's just a game and ultimately doesn't matter. You can celebrate or commiserate with your friends about it, you can have different opinions and endlessly discuss whether buying another forward is really going to address the issues in the team, but ultimately it diesn't matter. It's a release, a solid consistent distraction from real world. It's always there, no matter what's going on in your life.
I'm a woman too, I wasn't into football. Then i met my partner who sounds like OP. Then I realised how great it is to he into football. And now I'm one of those people crying to You Never Walk Alone🥲 best thing I got from my partner! (After our daughter I suppose)
Elemental-squid@reddit
I'm not a football fan (I never got it despite my grandad trying his best with me). However, I always get swept up in the World Cup and Euros.
To be honest, I think football offers a lot of men a sense of community and an outlet to engage in their fandom, similar to how "nerdy" people go to cons to meet like-minded folk and just be themselves. Honestly, I think Football is one of the least harmful activities people can be into.
non-hyphenated_@reddit
No heat from me, only to say that you will never "get" it. I'm not sure it can be easily explained in a Reddit comment. There is a tribal sense of "belonging" that envelops the football fan. It really is we to us. The player on the pitch represents me. They're doing what I wish I could and I'm getting the energy vicariously from it. I suggest you Google "the tribal psychology of football" for a better read/answer than I can provide.
SnooMacarons9618@reddit
I’m from a very support and very pro football family, but have zero interest in it myself. I’ve tried, it’s just boring… I never understood why people are so into it. But… I go to a lot of live music, there are bands I could tell you pretty much anything you want to know about. And then one day it struck me that it’s really the same thing.
1967punisher@reddit
No it's not. You don't get to watch overly paid trained men trying to roll around in the ground attempting to con a ref and gain a booking ... Well unless you go to a mini vanili concert n catch them miming
aardvarkarmour@reddit
There's more to football than the premier league
SnooMacarons9618@reddit
It's okay, one day you'll realise it is exactly the same thing, just in a different setting.
lastaccountgotlocked@reddit
It’s not, though. If your favourite band releases a shit album, you don’t start a fight with someone else, do you?
amBrollachan@reddit
The vast, vast majority of football fans have no interest in starting fights with anyone.
banananey@reddit
I've been going to games for over 30 years. Could count on one hand the number of fights I've seen.
Meanwhile I've had more than one occasion where a rugby fan has threatened to punch me in the face because I was in a bar when an England game was on but wasn't actually watching it.
madeupname45@reddit
I'm a rugby league fan for 30 years and have seen loads.od fights/arguments/trouble ....at Magic weekend in particular ....on the odd occasion I've seen union I've seen some disgusting behaviour too ...at London Irish I saw a group of young guys massively goading a player who was vomiting due to concussion....all the way as he was guided off too....I've also been threatened at that same venue (Brentford) on 3 occasions by dickhead drunks
10 years as a recent league 1/2football season ticket holder too and only seen one bit of bother...2 "mates' of the same supporting side threatening to scrap then pushing each then stopping
The ",holy " reputatin of either code of rugby Vs football is bs
triz___@reddit
Yeah I’ve been going 35, season ticket holder and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a fight.
ThatSmallBear@reddit
Only their wives when England loses I guess. My mother works for social services and domestic violence cases rise significantly during the World Cup. They rise a lot when England win and even more so when England lose
paolopaul84@reddit
Still the vast vast majority are not causing fights. And you can almost guarantee that the ones that are hurting their wives after England games are liable to DV anyway.
ThatSmallBear@reddit
It’s a hell of a lot more people causing fights than with any other sport though.
paolopaul84@reddit
I bet in the United States it’s not.
fluorine_nmr@reddit
Exactly, it attracts those types. My poor granny lived a couple of streets away from a major Premier League stadium. The things people did on match days were disgusting. She and the other old people/maybe anyone around there were terrified to go out on match days and she couldn't afford to live anywhere else. Growing up seeing that put me off football for life. It may only be a minority but that's not exactly comfort! "Oh it wasn't me it was some other guy", ok well it still happened!
OniOneTrick@reddit
It’s the most popular sport in the world and one of the only sports readily available to the working class who can’t afford the cost of entry to othersports. Lots of working class people grow up in deprived areas, lower level education, etc etc, all of which affect a communities relationship with violence. It’s really dense to ignore the societal factors at play and act like football somehow makes people domestic abusers and violence lovers
amBrollachan@reddit
That doesn't at all change the fact that the overwhelming majority of football fans are not beating anyone up. This isn't a problem with football, it's a problem with people who are already prone to violence.
ThatSmallBear@reddit
And yet a lot of them seem to gather at football matches. There are absurd amounts of huge fights that break out at matches. It seems to be better recently but they would literally RIOT. I’ve never seen that happen with other sports fans.
amBrollachan@reddit
Football is by far the biggest sport in the UK and has massive cultural salience. Anything with that kind of reach is inevitably going to include arseholes.
It doesn't change the fact that the huge majority of football fans do not start or get involved in fights.
Welly8oo7@reddit
Spoken by someone with no grasp of the 70's 🤯 And I have zero interest in ANY sports, as he is a partner, so not married, is this a deal breaker for the wedding?
HMP729G@reddit
I really don’t get this. I’m a football fan and a fan of live music (classic rock mainly)
Neither of these hobbies has even once led me to start a fight of punch my missus in the face. Tarring all football fans as violent is unfair.
I don’t understand why people can’t just “you do you”.
Sounds like some people need their own hobbies and let other people be.
insanity_wow27@reddit
Because the fans of other bands haven't been mocking your band and its fanbase relentlessly
gpc88@reddit
Yep no one has ever had fights over bands or genres…. Oh hey look punks, skinheads and mods
meestah_meelah@reddit
Oh don’t be bringing the Reddit mods into this!
SnooMacarons9618@reddit
Or scandi metal bands…
Cool-Extreme6506@reddit
yes, there are famously no rivalries between fans of different musical acts
Dependent_Formal2525@reddit
I don't think any music fans have made a deadly weapon out of a newspaper.
OkCaregiver517@reddit
Or go home an beat up your Missus. Happens.
mightypup1974@reddit
I mean, at least with music there’s…music.
amBrollachan@reddit
Replace music with physical skill and strategy. They're all human endeavours which when performed to a high standard can be entertaining and enthralling to watch, dependent on your tastes. I'm a musician and I also love sports (not really invested in football but I was brought up on rugby). I get the same broad sort of joy from watching someone nail a tricky musical passage with intensity and feeling as I do watching a team of skilled players create a score in real time out of teamwork, strategy and physical talent.
Chicken_shish@reddit
It's the cross over into obsession that I don't understand.
I can watch a game of snooker. I can appreciate the skill involved, and it is genuinely impressive. Pretty much any sport played at a top level is impressive. But slavishly following snooker? That would be incredibly dull. Football is the same to me.
It feels like these people are observing life, through the medium of other people doing something. I just don't get it.
amBrollachan@reddit
So are people who are obsessively into music. Or movies. Or whatever else. Pick a fandom. And there's the community aspect too.
What's your passion? I bet you "get it" more than you think you do.
Chicken_shish@reddit
I don't get people who are obsessively into music either, I had a mate who followed the Rolling Stones. if they were on, anywhere in the world, he'd be there. Er OK. I like music, I go to the odd concert, but I would not see the same act more than once.
What do I like doing? Lots of things, if you had to pin me down, it would be restoring old cars and mechanical stuff. i've got an obscene number of tools. But I can put it down and walk away from it for a month. I've never got to the point where I'm turning stuff down because I'm changing the chsssis on a Land Rover or whatever
RestaurantAntique497@reddit
This is such a weird position to take on music. People will watch literally hundreds of hours of reruns of tv shows and films they've seen before but you wouldn't go see a band after a new album comes out cause you saw them on a previous tour?
Agreeable_Archer_210@reddit
Personally I find this really weird “I like music, I go to the odd concert, but I wouldn’t get to see the same band more than once.”. Why not? I mean you know it is different every time right? Certainly every tour. They write new songs, they have new musical directions, they change staging and the experience. It’s like going to a great restaurant with a wide and varied menu, eating once and going “Well that was nice, but never going there again.”
SnooStrawberries2342@reddit
Sport is closer to theatre or film than music. Part of the attraction of sport is that it's visual drama that's unwritten until the moment it happens. And everyone's playing themselves, there's no conceit.
raisinbreadandtea@reddit
It’s actually closer to soap opera than any other art form, tbh.
SnooStrawberries2342@reddit
Yeah, it's on several times a week, you see the same faces year after year and despite the limited character development millions keep watching for the guaranteed drama. They need to know what happens next.
OkAbalone19@reddit
it's not boring, it is boring to you
the_roguetrader@reddit
then why are so many sports obsessives so unbelievably dull...
gilesey11@reddit
To be fair, the dullest people in the world are those that bring an acoustic guitar to any kind of gathering.
SnooMacarons9618@reddit
A secret I learnt - we are all dull. I love music and books. To most of my family they are insanely dull interests. I also like Art - most of my colleagues think that is intensely dull. My nephew is a semi-pro golfer - what could be more dull than that? My wife loves The Gilmore Girls - is there anything more dull than that?
amBrollachan@reddit
Because you don't share their interest.
OkAbalone19@reddit
why are train obsessives dull? why are video game gooners dull? anything to excess is dull to people that don't share the interest
Creative-Bobcat-7159@reddit
Don’t know why this was downvoted. It’s true.
I find many things boring that aren’t boring to other people. It’s not a criticism.
Doogle300@reddit
Because the commenter was acknowledging that very point.
OkAbalone19@reddit
yeah, I find video games very boring, but they clearly aren't boring otherwise they wouldn't be so popular
Tupac_Chigurh@reddit
It’s an opinion. Not a statement of fact.
This should be obvious
SnooMacarons9618@reddit
I was assuming that was implied, but yes, it’s boring to me.
BadBacksFuryToad@reddit
There are geeks in every genre. A football nerd is not much different from a Magic: The Gathering nerd.
Single-Position-4194@reddit
Yes, I'm mildly interested in the progress of my local club but not obsessed. There's a kind of release of tension you get when the ball goes in the back of the other teams (I hesitate to describe it as something sexual, but I think Freud would have done).
zxstanyxz@reddit
There’s also the fact that many guy were conditioned as children to never show emotion, and that the only time they are allowed to show any kind of emotion is through sports. Which results in it being their only true emotional release and causes it to become a major part of them.
Independent-Try4352@reddit
Good point. It's maybe why a minority of football fans behave like absolute bellends when they're in a group. They spend all week bottling up their frustrations and aggression then let it loose when they're in a group with a few beers down them.
XChangeJB@reddit
Can confirm that was the case for me... Going to the game and singing and shouting with your tribe does wonders for releasing any pent up emotions.
The acting like an absolute bellend, that's usually more a result of a fuck tonne of drugs.
PengyLi@reddit
100%. There are only 2 occasions where it's socially acceptable for a man to cry. (1) when your children are born, and (2) when your team wins/loses.
UpsetIllustrator7@reddit
Or a dog dies / dust in your eye
KhakiFletch@reddit
Not for dust in your eye you big Jessie 😂
BonusAdvanced2932@reddit
Wow, interesting point, I never really thought of it like that.
Single-Position-4194@reddit
Yes, a lot of truth in that.
SnooHabits8484@reddit
Yes. Sports and sex are the only times that it’s socially acceptable for men to experience catharsis.
SchnaffSchnaff@reddit
This. Absolutely this.
Living-Travel2299@reddit
Euphoric not orgasmic hahah.
Sendhimoffdiabolical@reddit
It's not even that with some fellas though. You get some lads who's only interest is watching football, not just following a team, but being across it all.
I get it to a certain extent because I follow a lot of sports, but have met hundreds of pub bores who know nothing about anything else going on in the world but can give you a run down on every squad, manager and transfer in Europe.
lauraandstitch@reddit
As an autistic person, this is how hyperfixations works. Football isn’t my thing, but ask me anything about Harry Potter or Taylor Swift and I’m with you. Can’t answer anything on the movies or sports round in a pub quiz though (unless gymnastics comes up which it never does). I wouldn’t be able to have a great conversation with them, but I sympathise with deep but narrow interests.
PresidentPopcorn@reddit
You got lucky. Mine is cults and serial killers.
LegitimatePowder@reddit
Yes, but some people just blither about the same old shit.
amBrollachan@reddit
I know folk who are like that with music. Or movies. Or trains.
agro_arbor@reddit
I've wondered whether we have a bit of an anti-intellectual culture in the UK, but football gets a pass? Like you say, if it's history or literature: swot. If it's football trivia: legend.
Nyko_Neon@reddit
Because dumb people speak the loudest.
StiffAssedBrit@reddit
I used to work with someone like that. The moment he walked into the office, it didn't matter what we were talking about, he'd start on about football and that would be it. I swear that I never heard him talk about anything else!
_Comped_Sushi_@reddit
It's funny how tribal it is for a such a soft sport
scuzzmonster1@reddit
Soft-ish. It’s not exactly rugby league but it’s not badminton either.
cpt_hatstand@reddit
It's 100% the tribe thing. Let's face it, human life is meaningless when you think about it, but having a tribe brings us togetherness, shared joy and meaning.
HogSnortter@reddit
And an adversary to hate. It's about Us and Them.
GiraffeCalledKevin@reddit
Annoying but “As an American” I dated a Brit very into football- I actually thought the community of it was lovely and very positive for him. It’s an absolute tribe thing. And that’s not necessarily bad. I saw it (at least from the guy I was with) aa positive masculinity and more like a family. I envied and admired it a bit. It was fun getting caught up in it with him at times even though I didn’t “get it” on his level. I can see it as really beautiful but also all consuming in a negative way depending on how it can maybe affect other aspects of relationships outside that sphere.
Side note- there is an arsenal bar near my apartment and I saw it soooo full of people this morning watching the game as drove by this morning- it made me a bit sad not being around that intoxicating energy anymore. Like, there were so many people in their kits they over took the side walk and were in the street! My ex isn’t even an arsenal fan and I don’t keep up with it anymore but that shit can be a good vibe and very intoxicating for sure.
adl8824@reddit
The American who turned up in Newcastle said he was a Newcastle fan and got taken in as one of the tribe is heart warming.
DrKnackerator@reddit
instead of googling just watch this mitchell and webb sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU . I'm definitely with Ray on this.
kizcom1@reddit
Glad I'm not like that.
How many seasons have you been together for?
Turbulent_Check9051@reddit
If you want it to all go away then it sounds like you have a decision to make.
ninepence9@reddit
Football interests him it sounds like….
slimefather1872@reddit
It’s ingrained in us. I live my team and will totally work my days/weeks around my team playing. That being said, if a family event happens on a day the football is on, I’ll make sure to attend, but I will be checking the score (occasionally). Football is one of the few things we get to show passion about without ridicule. It’s important
ollierdevon@reddit
The positive news is that football is not war! There is a beauty about a series of passes or passages of extraordinary skill resulting in a goal, that have a sense of timing, a balletic quality that produces a sense of joy whether you support the team or not, so there is something about it in itself that has value. Plus it is a way from the richest to the poorest in the world to enjoy exactly the same game. Globally it can almost literally level the playing field through its equality of opportunity.
EducationalAnimal661@reddit
If your not into it you won’t really get it then
BlackberryNice1270@reddit
I'm from Newcastle. Even if you're not a footy fan, you're connected to the club in some way, because someone you love has black & white blood. Fans are absolutely part of the team. They're often called the 12th man. There's nothing quite like 52,000 Geordies in St James Park shouting "man on" to tell a player he's about to be tackled, or singing Blaydon Races at the top of their lungs. It's being part of a community, part of a tribe. Have you ever been at a concert of an artist you really love and felt that passion, elation and emotion when all the crowd sing together? Or, when you're listening to music and a song really resonates with you and you feel like it was written from your heart not the artists? Same thing.
Agile_Horror_9413@reddit
Unfortunately not, I've been alive 33 years and never understood the obsession.
Not everybody obviously but I find it's the combination of having no life and the only time they socialise being the football. I've not many well adjusted people that obsessed with it
rdesgtj45@reddit
I think the increasing corporatisation and monetisation of the sport has killed my love of it. And the sportswashing. Most EPL owners are awful individuals or despotic regimes. It’s like supporting Big Oil FC versus Amazon Utd. Clubs lack identities.
gh0st_sh1t@reddit
Sounds like you're with the wrong guy
Sorry, brutal honesty
hoogachucka@reddit
If you haven't seen it, watch David Mitchell ranting about the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU
buffalosoldier111@reddit
WE did it, without fans football is nothing.
Exact-Character313@reddit
Tribal mentality, it's literally in our dna. It could be any sport or activity, but deep down every body craves to be part of something. Even if it's just superficial, a sense of belonging, a mutual rivalry stems right back to genuine tribal comradery
ds33m44@reddit
I’m constantly astonished how grown men (and sometimes women!) can talk any conversation around to football. I mean wtf, this sport is totally irrelevant to the every day struggles of life and a major distraction from real political oppression, environmental catastrophe and any number of events that require analytical thought processes but what about that penalty shoot out and Dembele and who gives an actual fuck, lets riot…
bounderboy@reddit
If they are your conversation topics you must be fun at parties...
bounderboy@reddit
Didn't realise my wife was on reddit.. 😄
Healthy_Apple_1833@reddit
As a football fan ive come to realise its just an escape from reality
Women have their own things they do ro achieve the same thing
celem83@reddit
I'm a guy and not only do I not get the fandom, I also don't like watching the sport.
It's a community thing, a club. People who are the full-blown fans have joined a little village containing the other fans. They share triumphs and woes and bond over those shared experiences.
So maybe the question is, do you want that sort of thing? I'm an introvert and this isn't a particularly appealing concept. Maybe you do want this sort of thing but derive it from another source. Football is just a method to accomplish this thing
Pikmanpikman@reddit
I’m the same as you re. football, don’t get it. Luckily my wife feels the same.
I row a lot though and my family put up with me training and competing often. So I think there is always compromise when you want to be with someone, in both directions too ofc!
Our life isn’t anywhere near as crazy as what you describe though 🤣
You can’t change other people, only yourself… so I think you have 2 choices, adapt or move on 😬
TheHoneyThief@reddit
If you're a toddler in front of a TV then you're going to get exposed to it. You're going to see all the happy people celebrating when there's a goal. That's going to make you happy because children mimic adults. You're going to associate that happiness with goals. Goals make you happy. Goals come from football. I want to be happy. Better watch the football to see the goals and happy people.
Adulthood? Breakfast time TV? News and football. Radio in the car? News and football. DJs talking about football. Water cooler? Football talk. Billboards? Football. Evening TV? News and football. Football matches on TV. Adverts for Sky TV using football as a way of nabbing subscribers. Football in the pub. Football jammed into your fucking eye sockets through every conceivable delivery vector known to mankind.
CrustyHumdinger@reddit
So split up. Maybe choose more carefully next time
Inner-Cloud162@reddit
It's a disgusting waste of time and money that sucks both away from serious problems, only encourages violence against women and ultimately just ends up in extreme tribalism.
They're literally all owned by billionaires who like watching their little monkeys dancing for 90 minutes.
Hell, I'm sure millions of people are looking forward to supporting literal Nazis for the American World Cup hosts.
It may as well be a religion to these people, and has the same levels of abuse and cult-like behaviour to it
CrustyHumdinger@reddit
"These people"... you absolute trumpet
PM-ME-PEANUT-BUTTER@reddit
I’ve slowly realised this too. Im arranging my weekends around this stupid 90+ min game that I don’t even watch, then being dragged to the team shop on my days off and even getting given their shirts to wear. Haven’t watched a single game the whole way through.
My evenings are also full of my partner putting on the whingey, ‘explosive’, ‘built for confrontation’ radio programmes and fan podcasts. Just salty salty men everywhere. I just want to listen to my music !!!
Fuzzy_Jaguar_1339@reddit
Thing about Arsenal is, they always try to walk it in.
Weary-Toe6255@reddit
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Fuzzy_Jaguar_1339@reddit
What was wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?
Pyjama365@reddit
Ok so your partner sounds pretty selfish with their expectations about your time, but I am curious why you actually go to the team shop if you don't want to? Can't you just physically refuse/stay home doing your own thing/go somewhere else doing your own thing?
And why are you not listening to your music if you want to listen to music instead of crappy podcasts? One or both of you can wear headphones and listen to different things.
Maybe your partner (self-centredly) doesn't realise that they're giving you the impression that they care more about football than doing things together as a couple, because in their mind these are things you do together.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I hate the arguing podcasts! And the "banter" that is just being mean to eachother? I cannot wrap my head around people speaking to eachother in that way because of a game
Antisocial-Metalhead@reddit
I’m a fan but the “banter” goes too far, can turn some of the nicest people I know into absolute arseholes.
TBriggs123@reddit
Football is like a religion, it’s your tribe. My step daughter was a blue when she was little and I’m a red and now she is also a red. I use to get the odd ticket to the game for the both of us. We didn’t talk much but at the game when our team scored both of us jumping around and sharing that moment. Football has everything, winners and losers, great comebacks, attacking at full pace, defending like a brick wall doing anything not to concede. It has the drama and controversy’s that get people talking every week. Supporting a team is apart of who you are and where you are from. It is also something to make you believe. An example is a lower league team against a top tier team and the fans of the lower league team think, we could do it, anything can happen and if it does that moment is unbelievable.
In our house all of us support the same team and the mrs is as big a fan as me and we always make time to watch the match. Something we all share.
CurrencyIll9145@reddit
i'm a woman raised in a football crazy household too - i've always loved it, and it's very much been instilled in me to understand the history of my club, celebrate the wins, mourn the losses. i think if you don't share that mentality, there's no way of making it make sense or understanding it. i think if you're raised passionate about it, you really don't know any different
Content-Cycle2739@reddit
Football is very homosexual male gazing and an excuse to behave like a hooligan. Ban it
1967punisher@reddit
Well it's a world cup year ... Not sure where you live ... But the good news is it's in America so you have loads of time to get used to the idea of an upcoming disturbed sleep pattern.
Oroku-Saki-84@reddit
It’s about the community and thinking they are part of something.
Same kinda thing as religion and/flat earthers/many other hobbies.
I don’t get involved or really give a damn (even as an enjoyer of the sport) but I think I understand it pretty well.
Sad-Grade6972@reddit
I guess it's good having hobbies and passions but football can get a bit all consuming. The extremes of emotion over a game seem pretty irrational. I also get peed off thinking about how much people at the top of the game get paid. Yes, they're very good at what they do and it requires enormous commitment, but you can't justify that level of wealth for playing a game! I don't mind watching a good game, if it's on in the pub anyway, and I watch England games and cup final etc. I don't follow a team or get that bothered though, generally. The watching I can stand, it's the banging on endlessly about it afterwards that gets on my nerves, disecting every move, every decision. If it's played to the rules and the referee's impartial, what's there really to say other than one team was better on the day.
GAdvance@reddit
If you've spent your whole life growing up around those types of people and now married one but still don't get it. No, people can't help you understand it
Vivid-Combination-74@reddit
Humans are tribal, since caveman times. Football is tribalism. The logical brain obviously understands it’s ridiculous to care that much but the unconscious can’t help it.
NeveRichards@reddit
"Give them bread and circuses and the peasants will never revolt" (aka food and entertainment).
It's a distraction from real life and some people take it a little too seriously.
My ex hubby was terrible around football. I could have danced naked in front of the TV while the footie was on and he wouldn't have been interested.
Get yourself a real man that show interest in you.
Suspicious-Chef6345@reddit
I hear you regarding the “we” use. Ultra cringe
feathersmcgraw24601@reddit
Fans are a part of a club, and feel a sense of community and belonging with that club.
Suspicious-Chef6345@reddit
Yeah i get it, its my own particular foible. Still, the cringe is real!
SmashedWorm64@reddit
Me and my mum went out to get some stuff yesterday. I think we asked my dad to do something and he said the football was on (not even sure it was a team he supported).
She dropped the banger of a line “if my whole life revolved around football nothing would get done”.
Rex-Cogidubnus@reddit
“Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult”
Mustbejoking_13@reddit
I love football but not to the degree that I'd let it ruin my life. Your partner sounds like a hopeless manchild whose sense of priorities is fucked up.
Glorious_boredom@reddit
It's uncomplicated, it's not cryptic. It's about skill and technique. It provides a channel for the competitive nature most men crave and it offers an attachment, tribalism if that's what you're looking for.
virusdancer@reddit
It's kind of funny, because though I was born in England, I spent my youth growing up in the US (cannot get rid of the damn accent to save my life) - and - I couldn't care less about football either. But, I still have my obsession with American football and the Pittsburgh Steelers to be precise. The number of times I've stayed up into the wee hours of the night to watch Thursday Night Football, Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football to catch "my" Steelers playing is ridiculous - but I still do it. Islington's having their big Arsenal parade and stuff today, and though I'm not interested in it in the least - because I do have my own obsession, I'm still happy for them and glad they're able to celebrate the win.
Mind you, there's obsession, Obsession, and OBSESSION. Some just show a positive in having a passionate interest and some will show the need for a community mental health intervention.
Partners don't have to do everything together, and it can be healthy to have separate passionate interests so that they're not losing themselves in the other - is there anything your passionate about that you could pursue in those times where your partner is otherwise engaged?
Mind you, for time you've allotted to spend together, the partner really should be engaged with you and not football - can easily check later on things instead of needing to be up to the minute on it.
greenhail7@reddit
https://youtu.be/bKd8bxcPFbk?si=i42uBnjoJBjTIRhZ
"Football without fans is nothing".
Sums it up for me, in terms of organised association football.
wetdolldesire@reddit
its just a cultural thing
cookingfunky@reddit
I've never been a big sports fan in general. I'll admit in the past I maybe looked down on football fans for just being kinda stupid plebs that enjoy watching a ball go into a net. Watching Welcome to Wrexham did change some of my viewpoints though, it gave me a deeper insight into what it means to people; and not just your stereotypical football fan. A lot of my dislike came from these stereotypes, but seeing all the different types of people all coming together for this thing is kinda of beautiful. They did a really good job of representing the sport and the communities. I feel as though I kind of get it now after watching it. I'm still not a huge football fan but I don't have that hostility towards it anymore. I highly recommend it; it's a good watch for a non football fan I found it more digestible than just watching the actual game.
LFCRedAnt@reddit
It's more than just a hobby though,it's like people who are obsessed with a TV show or a series of movies. It's the social aspect too,talking with friends about it and discussing about what went on or what decisions weren't great etc. it's a big deal to some,I don't even think it's bad that people's lives revolve around it if that's what they're into then you find something when he's watching the game and compromise on it.
I know people who are lost without football because mentally,even if it gets you down at times,it focuses your mind on something that you can discuss within your friendship group and organise meeting up with people around a specific game
Benibonkers@reddit
As a bloke that has watched football for 50 years, i do not understand the obsession with football, I support my team and no other the over saturation of the game boggles my mind, the topic at work breaks is always football, it must be the dimwitted man's religion.
Xerothor@reddit
I understand the appeal of the game as a whole but what I don't understand is how people link their selves to a team. Especially in the premier league. All of the football fans I know live nowhere near the area the team represent, it seems completely arbitrary which team became "theirs". Then there's that whole we won this, we scored this much against you. Which makes no sense to me.
I don't even understand how you can root for one team unless you are local, the team aren't even made of players from that area, it's just which team owners have the deepest pockets and can sign the best and usually most expensive players they can.
Which is why I only watch the World Cup. You are rooting for people from your country represent your country in a global competition, it makes actual sense!
Gary_Garibaldi@reddit
You won't get it unless you are in it. This is not to cast shade on you, just the reality. For example, I really can't understand how Taylor Swift got so big, her music is dog excrement and she is bland as. Yet I understand there is an identity and belonging to be a swifty. Actually the fact there are many like me who can't understand it only strengthens that.
Im irrationally dedicated to my football team. Whether they win or lose affects my mood. I don't mean it to be the case but it is. I know non football friends find it crazy, but they don't get it.
I'm a brown man and I grew up in west Yorkshire which was very racially tense in the 1990s. I never felt like I belonged anywhere, except on the terraces at Leeds where nothing mattered apart from devotion to the team. I was no longer the perrenial outsider but one of the tribe. Still now in my middle age, i feel belonging at Leeds matches with our icons, our songs and our camaraderie. It's like religion. Also it's one of the rare male bonding experiences I had with my dad. Patriarchy stands in the way of our emotions, vulnerability and Britishness stiffens that lip... Apart from football when we are allowed to experience emotions fully.
But unless you've felt it, you wouldn't understand.
BonusAdvanced2932@reddit
OK, that is a nice reply and makes a lot of sense. That makes me happy for you that felt that acceptance. But also highlights that people are shallow arseholes that would discriminate against you unless you support their team.
It also doesn’t justify people literally becoming violent if “their” team loses (or wins) and attacking FANS of the opposite team - like it’s their fault!
And fine if you are single or whatever. But however important it is, if it’s more important that your wife/partner/family/children? That is a problem! That’s not normal, OK, acceptable or justifiable.
OniOneTrick@reddit
I think you’re grossly over estimating how often fans in this country get violent and just attack non violent other fans. The bellends who go looking for a fight have a whole network of other bellends who support other teams looking for a fight. I’m not joking, most football related punch ups will be pre organised. If you go into town when the football is on and walk past a group of opposition fans, even if they look rough, even if you’re wearing your teams shirt, the chance of them just attacking you is miniscule
astonishedcrow@reddit
Men who don't have any actual beliefs have to find something else to give themselves a sense of belonging and community - a random collection of ever changing personnel organised around an endlessly repetitive rule-based sport activity and called a 'team'
ChampionOdd5139@reddit
God this sounds bitter😂football is allowed to be an interest or passion, you know
Waste-Masterpiece-19@reddit
Why does he have to be home? Does he not know where his team plays?
Pleasant-Profession9@reddit
Im curious to know why you got together with a football obsessive? Do you feel you are a viable couple?
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
He wasn't this obsessive when we first met, he was a fan but not to this extent
Sxn747Strangers@reddit
I’m a man who can’t stand football since forever and I feel your pain.
Sure I’d have a kick-about in the garden or even headers-and-volleys when I was a boy, but that’s as far as it ever went.
Tried to join in watching or taking part in a game but it was always peer pressure.
Decades later and I still have no clue.
Appropriate-Roof1422@reddit
It gives the false narrative of group belonging. It nice to watch some important games, but not going to spend my weekend watching football. There are so many great things to do.
ChampionOdd5139@reddit
I don’t think it’s a false sense of belonging at all (I am a massive football fan but hopefully still rational!). I think it becomes a problem with it becomes a primary interest, or the only means you use for accessing emotions and community.
Sxn747Strangers@reddit
I don’t even watch any important games.
Bazahazano@reddit
It the same feeling women have for shoes.
Mwgmawr@reddit
I enjoy football but I'm not a brain-dead "bloke" who's life revolves around football.
I got intensely into it one year and ever since I've just always been quite relaxed about it.
I think there's a magnitude of reasons it's so big in the UK but it mostly stems from childhood support of a team typically. School used to drive me insane because everyone spoke about football 24/7 when I didn't watch it at the time.
Then oddly the same people are still the exact same as adults and don't stfu about this, that and the other when it comes to the most minor detail regarding football.
Finally, I find this is very common with working class people (like myself, I'm not generalising another class) as means of escapism from their constant working life but it just seems to form a pattern in the end where people are watching it at every chance possible.
I just use apps nowadays to track any info and watch a game here and there to keep myself happy and maybe keep up on most important news regarding my supported team.
P.s; the whole WE thing has always made me laugh and me and my other friend used to talk about this in uni 24/7 because him and I don't do that 😂
If you search for Mitchell and Webb and look for "football supporter" it'll probs come up with a clip that kills me off where there's a regular worker taking the piss out of the football fan in the office because they keep referring to things like "WE beat YOU" when it comes to the teams lol
HopeFinal6101@reddit
I am an Englishman and I find the only thing more tedious than watching football is having to listen to men talk about football. To describe it as tribalism is a euphemism, the fans are sheep. I woke to news that the PSG fans had smashed up Paris because they won! Nonsensical. I watch the odd rugby international, though i don't follow rugby or cricket, and for some reason their fans seem to be less fervent and more civilised. I am a teacher and the worst thing is sitting down with colleagues at lunch and having to hear them talk about managers, tactics, centre-forwards, who's who in the league, play-offs, player transfers and other such utter tedium. I played the major three at school and university and still run and climb and cycle, I am not against sport. I watch the student matches. But watching men I have never met play bores me. Hearing men blather on about it bores me even more. Years ago I was at a friend's house and his season ticket for Arsenal arrived in the post whilst I was there. He opened it, jumped for joy and his girlfriend immediately burst into tears and left the room.
CryptographerLoud236@reddit
Im a bloke. Married with kids.
Loved football when I was a child. But then I grew up.
Now I have no interest in it at all. Its genuinely an IQ thing. Its literally the least important skill a human can possess. But its become some weird sad tragic religious type tribal indoctrination passed on through families that everyone thinks they have to support a team.
Its pretty pathetic and the average intelligence of this country’s residents are so obsessed with it that its pretty fucking embarrassing. Especially when they let 11 overpaid strangers who couldn’t give two shits about your husband, affect their mood over a game.
A fucking game.
There are so many much more important things to spend your time doing than obsessing over a game that has no merit or usefulness in everyday life.
The World cup is the most depressing considering the amount of spousal abuse, domestic violence, unwanted pregnancies etc all sky rocket around that time. And why do these neanderthals want to fight other team supporters over a bag of wind and some gay creative acting with some dancing about on the floor.
If someone tries to talk to me about football, I walk off. I don’t want to decrease my intellect by conversing with them. They are not the standard of human being I want to be associated with.
Its a perfect example of exploiting idiots for money. And unfortunately it works really really well. The UK is a prime example of it.
rdesgtj45@reddit
Just like you. I loved playing. Though was never any good. It’s pathetic how obsessed grown ups get.
CryptographerLoud236@reddit
I used to play a lot too and I was very good! I even play with my son in the back garden. But I have absolutely no interest in following any club or team.
I’m certainly not going to be one of those awful parents who forces their child into following football, even worse, dictating which team they follow so it matches my own.
Self worth from parental approval or requiring them to agree with my sad little childish obsession just have a shared bonding experience is somewhat second to abuse. You see it multiple times in this thread.
Even societally, having to watch or feign interest in football to ‘belong’ or experience “camaraderie” is a band aid for a deeper rooted problem. And the fact that fully developed(arguably) adults need to use a grown up play date PE lesson to bridge that gap is pretty fucking worrying.
We all see that football family that go outside in their matching football kits, have to sit near the TV in pubs and bars and the children can only ever talk about football and have the same hairstyles as football players from that team. I genuinely pity them.
rdesgtj45@reddit
My kid will play - but he’s much more into gymnastics, dance, cycling, climbing trees, painting and stuff. At the moment, kids like him are slowly being ostracised and being increasingly mocked by the football-loving kids in the class.
Fbags5010@reddit
Man here. There are no words in any language that accurately describe how little I care about football. I dont even watch when England play (Wotld Cup etc.). Don't register it at all.
If when the score was 0-0 at half time and the rule was that for the second half the normal ball was replaced with a square one filled with rancid entrails/biodegradeable glitter/Vimto etc., which explodes at a random moment (one linesman decides when to blow it up) maybe I'd have that on in the background.
Good question - interested to see the answers.
betterland@reddit
You think football fans don't get anything out of watching their favourite teams play? I think you should come back and read some of the answers here :)
I like going to gigs too, but you could easily spin it and say the same things about going to a gig (not that I would I used to be an avid gig goer)
Fbags5010@reddit
Nope, not saying that. If a fan enjoys doing it and that gives meaning in their life, fine, whatever, enjoy yourself.
For me, if I'd spent all that time and money and it resulted in a nil draw, I'd be a bit annoyed. But then, I honestly don't care about the sport at all, so I don't understand why people are happy to spend so much time watching a match which could end like that.
Conversely, if I pay money for a gig/comedian it will be because I know the person/group performing (or have seen them previously perhaps) and I'd know what to expect, so I feel I'd be getting my money's worth.
betterland@reddit
The game may end in disappointment, but I think the joy comes from being there in part of the process and the hope of a result, not the actual result itself, unless it's good.
Fbags5010@reddit
What I don't get is men who have such an obsession with it that their family have to work around it. That comment from someone here about men huddled round an ipad for 2 hours at a wedding? Pathetic. Go on BBC News and read who won later in the evening, then watch highlights the next day if it's that important.
Also, doesn't DV increase after England get knocked out of an international tournament? Eejit snowflake 'men' hitting their partners just coz widdle England didn't score as many goals as their opponents; grow up lads.
Obviously not all fans ofc, but that shouldn't happen at all. It's just a game.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
Tbh I'd maybe enjoy the game you've described🤣
Fbags5010@reddit
The square ball could explode 1 minute into the second half, or minute 90. Players, fans, and ref have no clue when it happens.
Then if it's still 0-0 after the explosion both teams pay a 5 figure penalty for not scoring, which goes to a homeless/animal/etc. charity.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
Someone get this man a meeting with all the big TV networks stat, hes a genius
woooooooood9@reddit
No i too find it dull
Personnenon@reddit
https://youtu.be/O2Fb-SJ9v0M?si=EHLL8UuN8Zp8dleI this should help
Upper-Eggplant2679@reddit
Well you can can either accept that life is meaningless and live in a depressed existential crisis state, or you can find meaning through a made up religion like islam, christianity or football
FionnsThumbUpYerBum@reddit
Sports teams are cults. Cults provide community and a false sense of meaning in exchange for money. They prey on universal human needs for connection, purpose, and certainty. It's hard enough to get people out of blatant cults like Heavens Gate, it's almost impossible to get people fully out of socially acceptable ones like sports teams or fraternities
Igroig@reddit
Football fans usually get ‘poisoned’ with the bug in their childhood. The star players are like action heroes and kids idolise them and try to copy them. There is tribalism element as well of course but if there is a high level game on and I have no skin in the game I still enjoy it. In fact I can enjoy it more as a neutral because if my team plays a high stakes game I am often too nervous to enjoy it properly.
Tired-of-this-world@reddit
No, because i can't stand football either, just a bunch of over paid prima donnas running around after a ball.
Early-Geologist-1027@reddit
Social conditioning. Also called brain washing
Fair_Condition_1460@reddit
I have no idea but it creeps me out. Is it tribal monkey brain latching onto a shared delusion?
Eddie-Plum@reddit
Just to add to the chorus of "me too" - I'm a man who grew up in a family of football fans, but I never enjoyed it. I avoid pubs that are playing football on the telly and have no interest in it at all, but it is still unavoidable. The first question another man will ask is what team I support, with no context given. I'll usually feign ignorance until they finally tell me they're talking about football, and then tell them I don't like it. My news feeds are full of football headlines, despite the fact I always click the "less of this" button on them, so even the internet believes I must be as obsessed as everyone else and my protests to the contrary must be mistaken.
In my opinion (with no offence intended to the fans) it's a corrupt business that has a net negative effect on society and I'd be quite happy if it disappeared overnight.
To those who do find it entertaining, I'm happy that you get something from it, but please keep it to yourself and stop smashing up things and people when you get emotional. It's just a performance; it doesn't actually matter who wins or loses, and the rest of us really don't care.
ilifthorses@reddit
Basically men don't know how to talk to each other.
EliteKingChampion@reddit
As someone also obsessed with football, I can see how daft it all is. Think it comes down to it being a hobby that a lot of time, money and relationships are invested in from a young age - it's a deeply engrained habit.
I have reached a stage in my life where the outcome of matches doesn't have extreme emotional effect on me; do find it pretty funny to be at matches and grown adults absolutely losing their minds around me.
PresidentPopcorn@reddit
I've never got it. I collected the stickers and watched some when I was at school because I was still pretending to be like the other boys.
Now, the only thing more annoying to me than football obsessions is the gambling adverts.
ChairmanWill@reddit
I have autism, and find football culture extremely dull. My opinion is that it’s a socially acceptable way for people (usually hit not always men) to be extremely obsessive about something in the way that people I know are into trains, birds, etc. The difference is that you don’t have to turn on the news and be forced to endure ten minutes of news about birds, there isn’t a bird section on the newspaper, no fighting about bird watching stats.
Personally if I new somebody who couldn’t go out without checking their phone for bird table updates I would just not go out with them
betterland@reddit
From someone who previously had absolutely no interest or care about football, no one's forcing you to endure it, you can simply not pay attention
ChairmanWill@reddit
You don’t know anything about my life, what I do every day, where I go, or where I work. I am absolutely forced to endure it, from my perspective- thanks!
betterland@reddit
Alright, thanks for explaining
borokish@reddit
If you're not a fan, it's impossible to explain it
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
Can I ask why it has such an effect on your emotions though? When I'm watching a reality TV show competition and the person I wanted to win doesn't win, I don't scream and shout about it. If they do win, I don't scream and shout about it. Why is it so intense?
steve_drew@reddit
Because sport isn’t made for tv entertainment.
If you don’t get it that’s fine, but let your partner enjoy their hobby.
Presumably you know they were into it before you met them?
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I've never stopped him from enjoying the hobby. I put up with watching it, I spend so much time on my own when hes out watching it at the pub or celebrating a victory. I bought him an arsenal top and a flag to wear to the parade. I ask questions, I even learned the offside rule. I support him entirely in his passion, I just don't understand it
phoebsmon@reddit
Have you been to an actual game? No shame in it, Arsenal is a pisstake to get tickets. But you could go see the lasses or a well-supported lower-league team together one weekend and get behind them. Someone likeable like Wimbledon.
I'm not saying you'd convert on the spot, just that you might get it a bit more. Being in the crowd and all that. And don't listen to the people being dicks. I don't get F1 but whatever folk enjoy. Might not work but it's a fun day out, plus League One GW1 and the League Cup first round are before the Prem kicks off so he can keep his attention on the game at hand.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I've been to a few spurs and england matches in the past and it still didn't click for me unfortunately. Maybe one day!
If I'm entirely honest, the atmosphere at football matches and even in the pub makes me feel sick to my stomach. It's so tense, feels like it could kick off at any time with everyone being all drunk and sweary and passionate
frankchester@reddit
As a fellow Arsenal widow I think maybe you need to have a chat with him about how intense his obsession is and how it makes you feel and also the dismissal told your hobbies in comparison. At the same time, you’ve gotta recognise it’s important to him and presumably you knew this was the case before the relationship started? I say this as someone with zero interest in football (it’s not a thing in my family) currently sat on the train to the parade in my Arsenal shirt lol. Is it the ideal way I’d be spending my Sunday? Not really. But I know it’s really important to him. And I think as long as he also understands your hobbies and interests then you can find the balance. (I once dragged my husband to a sheep festival in the Lake District all the way from Kent, so a trip to London in an Arsenal shirt is fine by me!)
phoebsmon@reddit
That explains it haha
Nah seriously though, WSL crowds are far more chill and family-heavy. Not the same edginess that you get at some games. I've heard good things about the crowd at Wimbledon in that regard too. We played them in the cup and they were a sound lot. Proper community club.
But definitely WSL for the vibes. Pubs are the worst because you get the crowd but without them getting to feel like they're affecting the game. I've been to one England game and did not enjoy the crowd. Just not my vibe either. It's very personal I think, there's a lid for every pot but sometimes it's not worth the finding.
scuzzmonster1@reddit
I’ve noticed just lately that women cricketers also seem to have more of a laugh than their male counterparts. Crucial catch goes down in a women’s international, knowing grins from many of the players. In the men’s game, it’s the end of the world. Very refreshing.
steve_drew@reddit
You don’t have to.
However the tones of your replies to this suggests you have resentment towards it. ‘You didn’t do anything’ ‘I just want it all to go away if I’m honest’
My advice is stop trying to understand it and just enjoy their enjoyment of it. You clearly don’t at the moment.
Fluffy_Mantis3133@reddit
Does he understand everything you like and do? He doesn’t. And he doesn’t need to.
We all do and like things others don’t understand. We either accept this or don’t.
Now if you feel like your relationship and quality of life are taking a significant hit, then that’s what you need to talk to your partner about. Otherwise, give him space to enjoy things you don’t understand and insist on space to enjoy what you like that he doesn’t get.
ImNotHaunted@reddit
They never said anything about not letting them enjoying it. If anything trying to understand it themselves is them taking an interest in their partners hobby.
steve_drew@reddit
‘I just want it all to go away if I’m honest’
They said it themselves. They can’t enjoy the enjoyment their partner gets from it.
Bourbon_Cream_Dream@reddit
The fact that you used a reality TV competitor as a comparison makes me think there might not be any point trying to explain it
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I know its not the same, there's just nothing in my life that gets me that emotional like football seems to for some people. The only things I can think of in my life that would make me scream at the top of my lungs are things to do with my family and friends
mister_rossi_esquire@reddit
And that’s football for a lot of people. It’s community, friends and family. It’s a joint sense of belonging to something.
I was born into the team I support because of my family, my Nan got my first season ticket and I would go with her every other week, until I turned 16, by that point i wanted to be with my friends, so I changed to a different part of the ground. With my Nan and with my friends I’ve travelled around the country, we’ve celebrated the highs and lows, and now I do the same with my kids. I see my uncle and cousin as they sit near us, I see old school friends that I probably wouldn’t otherwise.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I love that you got to experience that with your nan etc but I still don't get it🤣 the players aren't your friends and family? Is it that you're happy knowing your nan and friends are happy that your team won the match?
mister_rossi_esquire@reddit
Yes it’s a shared belonging to something. Have you ever played sports? It’s a similar thing with your team mates, they’re not necessarily your friends, but you share the highs and lows together.
And who the deck is downvoting me for simply sharing my experience?
scuzzmonster1@reddit
Very true, is this. There are folk I’ve played football & cricket with I wouldn’t usually choose to be in the same town as me, far less share a drink with after the game. Pro sports is the same on a MUCH larger level.
Suspicious-B33@reddit
Have an upvote.
Sleezyslay@reddit
Men can cry in 3 instances
Death Birth Football
Historically those are basically the only times men have been allowed to cry….
And then everyone wonders why there is so much emotional release at football, I dont even watch football but it’s not exactly difficult to see why there is such a big following and such a high intensity with it. Is it right? No… is it likely the reason? Yes. Even though the super hard football fans will disagree, they are emotional!
Disastrous-Place-846@reddit
Would you cry when your favourite musician dies?
feathersmcgraw24601@reddit
The person you want to win on a reality series is present in your life for about 6 weeks.
Your football team is part of your life from the age you understand the concept of football (about 4) until you die.
I_up_voted_u@reddit
And, it was there 100 years before you were born. It's ingrained into the sense of history of your community.
el_duderino_316@reddit
Because there's no sense of community about reality TV.
The key word in the name of any team is "club". It's about community.
OnPointTip1@reddit
Because you've not emotionally invested years of your life and money in that celebrity.
jaybayer@reddit
I think its the same way some people have para social relationships with celebs etc. you follow them and become invested. W/ football, you start at a young age, you support a team and are basically locked in for life.
You may wait 30 years for your team to win a trophy etc. Its the time investment combines with the fact that its a sport.
Lastly, and a bit more generally, its the most common thing you can speak to the most amount of straight random men about. Its more uncommon for a man to know nothing about football than for you to be able to discuss who is winning the league etc.
jclahaie@reddit
it's an outlet. people want to cheer for things, to feel those emotions. not everyone is as intense about it as your partner appears to be, some people enjoy the sport on a more casual level. but at some level the feeling of being involved, connected, and experiencing the ups and downs is somewhat the point.
the world cup is coming up soon, even if you dont really care about it if you end up watching some of it it's probably going to be more fun if you pick a side and root for them and follow them.
Powerful-Adagio6446@reddit
Probably because of the emotional connection to the team
tearlesspeach2@reddit
You just cant explain it lol it is explainable.
AppropriateDeal1034@reddit
I think the thing with football though is it seems to be extremes. I don't much like football so maybe I'm biased, but those people that do like it seem to make it their whole personality. It's like America at election times, riots and flag waving and overzealous lunatics that will start a fight over somewith with the wrong colour shirt. Okay there are some normal football fans, but there seems to be so many people obsessed with it compared to any other sport I can think of besides the American sports but they take everything too seriously.
IhaveaDoberman@reddit
Yeah, that's definitely in large part your bias. Probably speaks to the people you socialise with too, considering your overall dismissive attitude of anyone who likes the sport.
I'm not a football fan either, but most of the people I've ever worked with have been, definitely most of the people I've ever known have some degree of interest. And football fans certainly represent the full range of the human condition. With even some of the most passionate still being perfectly well rounded people, with many other interests.
Some take it far too seriously, and form their personality around it, but they are the significant minority.
I feel confident in saying that if you think the majority are of the harmful levels of obsession kind, you've dismissed anyone as being "nothing other than a football fan" far too early in your interactions with them.
Football certainly has it's problems within the fan base, but then the fan base is so large, that it is more or less inevitable. It's only the more niche a hobby is, that attracting lowlifes becomes less likely.
The difference in the popularity of the sport makes true comparison to others significantly more difficult. Especially as the demographics of most of its closest "rivals", almost immediately shift into a majority amongst the middle class.
Let's also not forget the sport finds roots in local games so violent Henry VIII banned them so his fighting aged men weren't constantly getting maimed and killed. Or how far the nature of the game has progressed in the last few decades.
The extremes of football fans can in many ways be viewed as a litmus test, for the state of the lives and attitudes of the people at the shit end of our society.
Own-Reason4269@reddit
At this point, football is a gay endeavour.
TomL79@reddit
What’s the obsession with Football? What’s the obsession with anything? We’ve all got our hobbies and interests. For me, I love the sport and I’m massively interested in it, but the obsession part is my own team. I’m a season ticket holder, so I’m at every home game and I’ll try to get to as many away games as I can. Honestly, it’s ingrained in me. It’s my local team, a lot of it is about being connected to and identifying with the community and about civic/local pride. There’s a strong connection between the club and the city. My love of both are two sides of the same coin. I’ve been through dark times personally, and when I was at my lowest point, it saved my life. Going to matches, having that connection, sense of belonging and feeling part of something. You get to know people around you and just those interactions, just those ‘alright’ or the little conversations or comments during/about the match, it helps you feel part of a community, where your accepted.
I’m aware of the Mitchell and Webb sketch about the ‘we’ which probably seems very clever to them, but actually misses a very big point. For many supporters it IS ‘we’ or ‘us’. Because we support our teams from a young age, for life, through thick and thin. The connections and bonds are deep. Of course it’s not THE deciding factor, but the term ‘12th Man’ referring to the supporters is a factor that even managers and players acknowledge. The atmosphere, the support, encouragement, intimidation provided by the crowd can and does help. It’s not like going to the cinema or the theatre. When you’re at the match ‘audience’ participation is part of it!
As for how much it impacts on my life. I’d be lying if I said it didn’t. If it’s my club playing and we’re at home, then I’m there. If we’re away, I’m there if possible but there are going to be factors that means I can’t always (midweek evening games that I can’t get to because of work - sometimes I do take leave), or it’s going to be a ballache because of issues with trains etc, or maybe there’s a really important event.
In general terms if we’re not playing, then absolutely I’m going to watch a ton of games as a neutral - IF there’s nothing else I have on. I’m not going to be ‘oh I’m sorry, I can’t go because I want to watch Man U v Everton on Sky’.
And as for international football. I’m not bothered. I mean I am, but only as a neutral. I don’t mind if England do well, but I’m not bothered if they don’t. I’ll be watching plenty of the World Cup but there’ll be some early hours kick offs where I’m going to be ‘nah I’ve got work in the morning!’
The other thing I’d say about Football are the things it taught me, that aren’t specific to Football itself. I learnt about countries and cities. I’d be looking in the Atlas to find Milan, Munich, Barcelona etc (I remember getting really upset because I couldn’t find Sampdoria! - my Mam goes ‘they’re from Genoa’).
I learnt how to pronounce or at least guess how certain names may be pronounced simply by knowing the names of footballers and therefore learning how certain letters are pronounced in certain languages.
But also just the conversations and interactions with fans from other clubs from across the country and Europe, because 99.99999% don’t want to kick each other’s heads in.
Ok-Goat-3589@reddit
It’s a very odd sport. Because most of it is extremely dull and frustrating the dopamine hit when something DOES happen is enormous. It’s psychologically similar to doing a hit of cocaine, and I’m not even using hyperbole there.
MoosesHuman@reddit
I've never even been with a man who's into football. I have a couple uncles and cousins who will turn a wedding or a funeral into a football thing and will all crowd into a room to watch it, or dominate all conversations with football arguments, so any time a guy mentions football to me I'm no longer interested at all.
Just go about your life, he wants to go home and watch football? Well I hope he can get a lift home. He doesn't want to go on holiday in a football season? Ok have fun, remember to feed the cat, I'm going on holiday.
D3M0NArcade@reddit
This guy isn't just your average fan. There's actually a mental issue at play here and it's making for an obsession. Its not about the football. Its about him on a much deeper level.
I'd think twice about whether you want to continue your relationship because this is never going to change unless there's some kind of intervention/professional assistance.
D3M0NArcade@reddit
I'm a guy and I don't get it either.
I never have, I never will. Its 22 grown ass men acting like children chasing an inflated pigs bladder around a field. How does it generate such devotion?
And why are those who are the biggest fanatics often the worst behaved partners?
Easy-Bandicoot9408@reddit
It’s a hobby like any other. Form of entertainment/ I can live without football but happy to watch with my family. Getting some nibbles, cosying on the sofa and having a laugh or a commentary is fun, regardless of what is on (movies, sports, esports) Don’t see an issue with someone enjoying it more than I do. If I really don’t feel like it, plenty of things I can do on my own. If you care about someone, why wouldn’t you want to at least somewhat participate or at the least show some interest in what they enjoy though? I don’t much care about cricket either but still happily watch it with my inlaws, who love it. Just as they watch ski jumping or formula 1 with me. And yes, picking a team/player and cheering for it makes it far more entertaining.
Fans are also crucial to any sport, from directly affecting funding and operations to actual morale boosting that can have a very real infuence on performance - there is a reason teams are far more likely to win ‘at home’. Knowing millions are watching you play is also quite impactful. People love to cheer and be cheered. It makes everyone feel better, hopeful and that’s the whole point of fun and entertainment.
You should go and see a live game and see if that gives you a somewhat better understanding of why so many people are into it. The atmosphere, the emotions of people around you, being a part of something cool.
In any case, being dismissive towards what your partner or other loved ones enjoy is a straight road to resentment in relationships. Try to relax and just go with the flow, or at the least, leave them to it without negative commentary. Not sure why you would want to drag anyone anywhere if they fancy doing something else either. Let them be. We don’t have to spend every waking moment together. Games don’t happen 24/7, plan around it?
CarGullible5691@reddit
I hate football as well. I’ve never understood the “we did it” stuff either. It’s crazy.
I’m a rally marshal and go out to rallies but I don’t live eat and sleep for it.
PlanetSwallower@reddit
I can't help you with this question and shouldn't waste your time by responding, since even though I am extremely British I also absolutely no interest in football and can't understand why people watch it. And there's so much of it! It's never-ending. If you just want to see people play football, why not dial up a game from 1973 or something?
paolopaul84@reddit
Why ever watch a new film where you don’t know the ending? Might as well just watch one from 1973 where you already know the storyline.
PlanetSwallower@reddit
Yes, the proposal wouldn't work if it was a game whose result you already knew. There's been a lot of football played over the past decades though.
Alexboogeloo@reddit
Being a footy fan will likely be the longest relationship a person will ever have.
Personally I’m in my 41st year.
You always want the best for them. The relationship has many ups and downs. The downs make the ups sweeter. The ups are the best feelings in the world. Every year begins with fresh hope. They evolve and develop throughout the years in many different ways but you still love the core of who they are. You’re part of their family. Every time you get together it’s like a big party. Members of that family you’ll never know who they are or maybe ever see them again but they’re there to look out for you. Make you feel like you belong. They know all the songs you sing. They’ll create a feeling of generosity not normal in daily life.
Every time you spend time with them, there’s a familiarity yet it’s subtly different every time.
They’re a constant no matter what else is going on in your life. They’ll be there. They’re stability. They’re hope. They’re love.
You can look at 11 people kicking a bag of leather around. Or you can look at an emotional investment. It appears you’re in the former.
Numerous_Phase8749@reddit
Tribalism where dickheads can be dickheads 😝
Shoddy-Reply-7217@reddit
My partner is a huge football fan too, and it just leaves me cold (well actually I don't mind watching international games when I feel like I have some skin in the game but I wouldn't stop something else in order to do so).
My take is that it's good for both of you to have a hobby/something different you enjoy.
Where it gets weird / unfair is if anything you do as a couple is reliant on the schedule of only one person's priorities.
You don't have to understand why he likes it, but he has to understand that not everyone is as bothered as him and sometimes make compromises.
What we do is look at the most important games of the season when they're announced and put them in the diary so he doesn't miss them, and then others can be missed in favour of things I'd prefer to do.
He cannot realistically expect to spend the activities of every single weekend of football season (most of the year, especially in euro/world cup years) revolving around only him.
insanity_wow27@reddit
This is what you need to do. Some games you can miss but there are certain big fixtures that really matter. People say why are they wanting to watch football at someones wedding but when its a cup final or something that has a massive significance.
Part of the deal that they make an effort for your hobbies too since you're so understanding.
Peng_Terry@reddit
Shoddy reply right there
Rechamber@reddit
I think it's important for people to have hobbies and things that they enjoy. For many this is often supporting a team and watching the games.
AppropriateDeal1034@reddit
I think it's also important for those hobbies to have limits and not become their whole personality...
soupalex@reddit
or for it to be assumed that everyone in the country has that same hobby and you're weird if it just doesn't interest you at all
SmashedWorm64@reddit
“Did you see that ludicrous display last night”
AppropriateDeal1034@reddit
You mean the "we won, let's have a riot and set some cars on fire, woo!"?
CryptographerLoud236@reddit
This took far too long to find in this thread!
“They always try to walk it in”
PurplePlodder1945@reddit
But from what she’s saying, her partner is obsessive and it rules his day to day life
feathersmcgraw24601@reddit
He's watching games (2 hours, once or twice a week) and listening to podcasts related to it. It's hardly ruling his day to day life.
BonusAdvanced2932@reddit
Well it is if his partner feels this way. And it is of those two hours watching mean he cancels an important family event!
quite_acceptable_man@reddit
I used to know someone like this, and it cost him his marriage in the end. He now sees his daughter every other weekend - if there's no football on obviously.
zorki20@reddit
My theory is that football allows men to deeply get in touch with their full range of emotions in a world where it’s historically been frowned upon.
RummazKnowsBest@reddit
There’s an episode of American Dad which explains the love of sports and how much it matters to people.
(can’t remember the exact episode, I saw it over a decade ago)
youshouldbeelsweyr@reddit
I'm a man who grew up in a house that wasn't fussed about football so I've also never got it xD I just find it and every other sport so boring to watch. I enjoyed playing it as a wain but watching it is so dull.
defroach84@reddit
Do you have interests that he doesn't like?
If so, why do you like them?
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I do have interests he's not interested in, but I don't make him watching hours upon hours of it on a weekly basis
jclahaie@reddit
can't you just not watch it. how does he make you?
scuzzmonster1@reddit
Ties her up?
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
We live in a studio with one TV. I work long hours and don't often fancy going out from 8pm-10pm on a weeknight to avoid watching it
Many-Consideration54@reddit
What does he do when you're watching something he has no interest in?
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I wait til hes asleep to watch the things I know hes not interested in as I'm a night owl, I never make him watch americas next top model or rupauls drag race etc because I know he doesn't care about it at all
el_duderino_316@reddit
My wife and I mostly watch different things. This is where using a tablet while the other has the TV comes in handy.
jclahaie@reddit
so he makes you watch football, and you make him watch whatever things you watch when you have control of the tv. that's just a consequence of your living situation unfortunately
pippaskipper@reddit
Don’t watch it with him. Go do your own thing !
hitch21@reddit
Does he demand you watch it with him?
My partner doesn’t like football and she will go read her book or go see a friend if she knows I’m watching a match.
Insideout_Ink_Demon@reddit
Sounds more like an obsession than an interest for her partner.
feathersmcgraw24601@reddit
He's watching matches on telly, he's not even attending games.
An obsessive fan would be going home and away, with midweek trips to Poland, Azerbaijan or Croatia for European games.
SensibleChapess@reddit
No idea!
I can understand participating might be of some interest, (though whilst growing up I never got any pleasure from hitting a ball with my foot!), but why on Earth someone can get anything from sitting, let alone paying, to watch someone else kick a ball is totally beyond me.
I've always assumed it's just some "Emporer's New Clothes" thing caused by peer pressure.
Hollyhop_Drive@reddit
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Designer_Status2214@reddit
Date in your own intellectuality range and intelligence. Some people are different values and views. Avoid them. Life is short!
No-Reason-8205@reddit
I use football matches as a reason to go to usually very busy places and it be much less busy.
YeeeepersJeeepers@reddit
My wedding tables weren’t numbered — they were named after Chelsea greats. I’ve got a wardrobe full of football shirts. My sons will grow up knowing nothing other than Chelsea, and I won’t apologise for that. I cried both times we won the Champions League, proper ugly crying, and my wife will tell you I’m otherwise an emotional black hole.
Some of my closest friendships were built on terraces. I’ve had the same seats at Stamford Bridge for ten years. I’ve watched the people around me get married, have kids, lose parents. That’s not just football — that’s a community. The kind you can’t manufacture.
Does it consume a lot of my time? Absolutely. Does my wife have a problem with it? Not once because she understands that it’s not just a hobby — it’s part of who I am. She chose me knowing that and she respects it.
Here’s the thing people in this thread seem to be missing: the problem isn’t football. It’s that somewhere along the line, two people stopped actually talking to each other. Football is just the thing in the room they’re not talking about.
She certainly doesn’t come on Reddit to bitch about it.
Pure-Dead-Brilliant@reddit
Your wife isn’t bitching about it on Reddit because she’s busy finding solace in another’s arms. “I didn’t see the divorce coming,” you’ll cry.
YeeeepersJeeepers@reddit
What a great response. Well done. Another reminder that the Internet is full of cunts.
J_Thompson82@reddit
I wish I cared about anything in my life the way football fans care about football.
No_Effective_4481@reddit
I'm a guy, age 48, and I am probably about as uninterested in football as you can possibly imagine.
I think its the fact there is an obscene amount of money for something that doesn't seem all that important, and a lot of the players look like they wouldn't survive your average Rugby game.
I also never enjoyed playing football as a kid, I was just really bad at it. I was far better at 9-ball pool and would be far more interested in watching a decent game of snooker than football.
I also do sim-racing on PC with a whole setup, but I've never been interested all that much in watching F1.
The only thing I did follow for a few years with my friends was the UFC, but after a while that grew a bit stale.
Over-Space833@reddit
It's not that deep. I've never been a football fan but it was what my family was into. I loved being social so football is what was watched when stuff like the world Cup was on. Im used to it because my dad was a Chelsea fan and my brother is an arsenal fan.all in good fun. I sent him a sad note that they lost to PSG. I'm totally not a football girl but will celebrate when they win and feel for them when they lose. My partner is a rugby fan and I'm following that. Go Ireland!. Unless it makes them lose who they are, it's harmless.
Resident_Hold3107@reddit
Sport allows people to feel that spike of adrenaline and release, and high stakes emotions without actually having to be doing anything and without it seemingly impacting on your real life.*
That's why so many men are obsessed with it. In a world where men are still not supposed to express their full emotional range, it gives them an acceptable outlet for their feelings. Think of it as an "instead of therapy" kind of thing.
Plus those adrenaline spikes are actually addictive. I'm not a man but also obsessed with some sports and I totally understand the impulse to keep being plugged into it - day to day life can seem a bit dull in comparison.
*caveat that of course strong obsession with sports absolutely can disrupt people's lives - I know it as I lived through it - football coach dad who was more invested in the game than family life - but also statistics support it, e.g. there's research to show that after every high stakes game, there's an uptick in men on women violence.
filbert94@reddit
Something often overlooked - it is pretty much the ONLY industry in which the poorest, most working class lads can become global superstars and millionaires.
Due to the nature of the game, poverty stricken kids from the grimmest favelas or Parisian slums or council estates can latch on to someone from their town or region and think "that could be me".
Pretty much all other sports have some barrier to entry. It's why US sports aren't truly global as you need some level of equipment or space. Football can be as simple as 2 kids with a ball and kick it against a wall.
rdesgtj45@reddit
I think that’s sport in general. Though there are a lot of middle class kids coming through now, and poorer kids in the UK now struggle to find safe spaces to play. You can play football in a back lane but not in a tower block
rdesgtj45@reddit
I fucking hate football. Fair enough playing. But the obsession around professional teams yuck!
More_Dependent742@reddit
M40 straight white - supposedly I "have" to like football but I really don't.
Fantastic_Back3191@reddit
It's a tribal thing.
BadBacksFuryToad@reddit
I’m in your side. I also don’t get it. It’s just a sport. I do find it very curious on an anthropological level that so many people become such football nerds. I guess it’s about accessibility and ubiquity - football is so popular because it’s blasted out everywhere on tv and radio and podcasts etc, which makes it more popular because more media = more fans. It’s a really simple sport, so you don’t have to have much intelligence to understand it. And you don’t have to have much physically to play a version of it. Even if that version is some screwed up paper for a ball and some back alley in a crappy slum-town.
I do think it’s great that it’s easily played and enjoyed by most people, and that it can be a thing of unity and joy. I find it baffling that two strangers on a bus can proudly bellow a full-on geeky conversation about a recent match, but it’s cool that it’s a shared thing.
The tribalism is disgusting though. I knew someone who was spat on because she was wearing her boyfriend’s Tottenham FC scarf. Even if I didn’t personally find the game incredibly boring, that sort of shit would completely put me off.
banananey@reddit
I find it quite therapeutic.
I have a wife and kids and life can be very stressful and full-on at times.
So it's nice to have 90 minutes where I can just switch off and watch a game with my friends. It was a huge bonding experience for me and my dad when he was around and I can't wait to do the same with my kids. Just can't beat celebrating a last second winner together.
I am very respectful with it at home though. I don't go to every home game and I always tell my wife which games I'd like to go to in advance and make sure she has her own free days. We only get 2 free days a week because of work n that so I can't be at football every weekend as much as I'd like to.
sonicloop@reddit
Why is someone religious? You might find some of the same answers.
SmashedWorm64@reddit
Is Gary Lineker’s football podcast the equivalent of Mass for some people?
(I also hate how it’s named, there was the rest is history, then the rest is politics and then the rest is football. It doesn’t quite sit on the same level as the other two.)
draberentorin@reddit
If nothing else, its a good reminder that the world doesnt revolve around you :)
budgiebirdman@reddit
I was never into football until I went to a few matches with my dad and there's certainly something to be said for shouting and screaming with tens of thousands of other people (especially with some added alcohol). One of my friends pointed out that after long enough none of the players are the same as the ones you first started supporting and so really it's all about your fellow fans more than the football team. I still don't get people for whom it's their entire personality though; fuck those people.
Pandita666@reddit
Wow yes get rid of the only thing he has as a hobby. Football has everything - passion, drama, sadness, joy and elation. I heard so many “11 men kicking a bag of wind” comments but don’t care, I love going to the match.
TrustVisual1394@reddit
I've never been interested in football either, so your dating situation sounds like a nightmare to me. Why would you want to spend you life with someone so incompatible?
messsssprit@reddit
I think a lot of people use it to disguise their alcohol dependency
paolopaul84@reddit
How would this even work? Alcohol dependency that only crops up on some evenings and bits of the weekend? And then disappears for a few weeks over the summer?
TorchKing101@reddit
Grown men kicking a ball about. And the fans going bananas when their team scores. You didn't do that, the player did, you just watched. Reflected glory. And the tribalism as well. "Did you see that ludicrous display last night?" 😁😁😁😁 Not knowing anything about football can limit your conversations as a man, but honestly those conversations are not worth having. "I support Manchester United!" "You are from Cornwall"
Designer_Status2214@reddit
My sibling have iq 115 and He is into it. I have iq 145 and I feel it extreme boring. The another sibling with Iq close to mine also hate watch any sports. Im afraid I would lose my time to spend of something that doesnt improve my life or make a change in the world. I'm very complex about my time and strategic how I spend my limited time i get on earth. I dont need validation. I dont need entertainment. I need complex problems I can solve. You should check your Iq and emotional Iq.
paolopaul84@reddit
Absolute rubbish. And quite arrogant as well.
My brother is Mensa iq levels and loves football, I’m not far behind. Maybe try a sample size bigger than your own family!
Proper_Capital_594@reddit
It’s more than a game. It’s a passion. I’m sorry you have nothing in your life you feel this way about.
Creative-Bobcat-7159@reddit
Because it gives us emotionally stunted men a chance to bond and express emotions with each other without fear of seeming gay.
paolopaul84@reddit
Yep plenty of us men grew up in a world where football was one of the few safe spaces to express any emotion. Taken me a while to realise I’m a lot more emotional about football when other stressful stuff is going on in my life.
FjortoftsAirplane@reddit
This analogy is a bit rough, but it might help.
Have you ever got really invested in a work of fiction? Book or film or TV series. Anything. And you get emotionally invested in it and events in it actually make you happy or sad.
Obviously you know that none of it matters. You know it's not real. The characters aren't real. It's just a story. Someone made it all up. Probably large parts are unrealistic, maybe even impossible.
But if someone comes along and says "You know none of this matters" they're missing the whole point. I know Game of Thrones was just a TV show but I'm still pissed off about the ending.
I know kicking a ball doesn't matter in some grand universal sense. I know I'm not the one responsible for who won or lost the game when I say "we". That's all besides the point. The point is I've followed my team, got invested, shared space with other people that got invested either allies or foe, and now it matters to me. And it's more real than the works of fiction I've got lost in.
If you want to get into a sport, start following a team. Go to some games. See if it hooks you. If it doesn't, that's kind of where it ends. Same way I'll never understand Harry Potter in spite of how many people around me were/are obsessed.
As for your partner, that's kind of a discussion you need to have with them. It's okay to be football mad but they still need to be able to prioritise time with you and be able to share the TV.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I literally don't have anything in my life like that at all. I'm a huge game of thrones fan, have read the books and watched every episode multiple times. It ended fucking terribly, I didn't go and smash my house up over it 🤣
Maybe I'm just not a very passionate person
paolopaul84@reddit
If someone is smashing up their house then it’s not really about football, it’s about their ability to manage their emotions.
Pretty-Past-3886@reddit
I'd probably just avoid getting involved romantically with someone like that
FjortoftsAirplane@reddit
I don't smash my house up over football. It's a different conversation if someone's like that.
But look, let's take Game of Thrones. I'm just asking you to think whether you cared what happened in that. You know a TV show doesn't really matter, but you still can feel some excitement or disappointment about it.
FudgeVillas@reddit
Doesn’t matter if it’s football, or ornithology or bear baiting: you don’t need to understand his hobbies in order for him to be allowed to engage in them.
paolopaul84@reddit
Maybe try dating a West Ham fan like me. We’ve spent all season avoiding thinking about football as much as possible!
Seriously though, I used to watch all the games but since having a child I’ve changed priorities - there’s been a few important games I’ve watched, but I’ve stopped it being something to centre the weekend around. I’m working on not checking my phone as much, but it is hard to switch off from it.
CourtinInTheKitchen1@reddit
Tbis is so cute. .
Key-Inevitable-4989@reddit
I'm a 40 year old bloke and I find football boring as hell. I've only just realised reading your post but none of my mates are into football either.
I don't think this is a coincidence.
I think I find it hard to get on with serious football fans because all they want to talk about is football and it's just boring.
Climbing, motorbikes adventure activities for me.
I couldn't change so I guess if football is someone's life they can't either.
putrid_sunset@reddit
The football is officially going on forever! It will never be finally decided who has won the football!
sossighead@reddit
I like to think I have a healthy middle ground here in that I absolutely love Football and do feel the emotion connected to my team winning or losing.
I absolutely do not expect my family life to be orientated around it, though. That would be unfair.
It’s difficult to explain the obsession to someone who doesn’t get it though. I mean how do you explain any obsession?
NoNefariousness5175@reddit
Every match is like 90 minutes rerun of the same tv program every week.
Haunting_Cell_8876@reddit
I'm a man and I don't care about football.
betterland@reddit
Wanna medal?
Haunting_Cell_8876@reddit
No thanks, I already have plenty.
jjgill27@reddit
I’m a woman and I care a lot about football.
EmploymentNo7620@reddit
I'm a gay and I don't care about football, but care a lot about footballers.
Indigo1874@reddit
It's tribal but I've taught my kids to keep it in perspective. We have season tickets and are really into it but we miss games if there are family functions and don't talk about it obsessively over dinner.
Stabwank@reddit
Bread and circuses.
Beautiful-Low-3568@reddit
It’s so men can be in a tribe, band together against an enemy, talk about endless detail and collect things to show how ultra they are. It’s a controlled release of aggression as they shout profanities, a chance to feel part of a community and a weekly ritual that gives structure and meaning to sometimes meaningless lives. I hate it, the way money has corrupted it and how it takes the oxygen that stops other activities in life. I hate the fact that the players are given unbelievable amounts of money when we see so many worthy roles like nurses paid a pittance. However it creates profit for the uk so it’s going nowhere.
Sea-Check-9062@reddit
Apparently, it is more interesting if you mind who wins.
g0dn0@reddit
Man aged 54 here. Was a child in the 70s. My dad was the coach for a local football team. I was dragged to football matches with no say in it from the age of about 4. Forced to stand in the freezing cold against my will. Then made to stand outside a pub for hours while my dad and his team mates celebrated or drowned their sorrows (kids weren’t allowed in pubs). He would be horrible to everyone if they lost. He would bring home the team’s filthy kit and tell my mum it was her job to wash it all. When I was about 10, I was reading a book, which he took off me and told me it was about time I grew out of that and became a proper man. By that he meant stop reading poncy books and like football. When I plucked up the courage to tell him I hated football, he asked me if there was ‘something I wasn’t telling him’. He was inferring I was gay. I remember parents evenings at school, he wouldn’t pay the slightest bit of attention to how I was doing in any subjects but would apologise profusely to my PE teacher that I had no interest in sport or football. ‘I’m sorry, I’ve tried everything. I just don’t know what’s wrong with him.’ Fast forward to me and my brother being adults: marriages, christenings, kids birthday parties. Dad would either not come or would disappear only to be found sat in the car listening to the match on the radio. My mum passed away a few years ago and my dad is on his own. Of course, he literally can’t do anything by himself. He can’t use a washing machine, he can’t cook anything. He can barely even dress himself. My mum did everything and taught me all these life skills that meant I could run a family and take care of my wife and kids. But he still sees me as a failure at ‘being a man’ because I don’t like the same sport he does. He can’t engage in social conversation with either me, my wife or any of my 3 children who are now all adults, because he only knows how to talk about football. My oldest son is 25 and my dad still gets his name wrong. That’s how little interest he’s had in family life. When we were arranging my mum’s funeral, the vicar was asking what songs we wanted played as we brought the coffin in and as we left and he immediately said ‘you’ll never walk alone.’ I said absolutely no way, we are having mum’s favourite songs. He didn’t even know what they were or who the artists were.
fat-frank_1977@reddit
For a lot of men it is all they have, its a tribe to them
Meoooowsies@reddit
It's a hobby millions of people have. It's a bit like asking why do you spend so much time watching and/or playing other sports
meestah_meelah@reddit
My dad is football mad and grew up in a small village in the North of Scotland. He moved to Glasgow in the 70s and would go to Rangers games whenever he could. He was stunned that the vast majority of Rangers supporters he spoke to knew bugger all about football strategy or tactics or even the rules. It was just somewhere they went for a day out with other people like them and claim victories they had nothing to do with as their own.
MinaretofJam@reddit
I’m a man born in Sunderland and I’m barely considered human because I’ve never liked footy. My Dad and brother and all my mates are fanatics. Prefer rugby. Mostly for the arses. Highly recommended.
bananabastard@reddit
Because the fans are the club. Your partner has supported his club all his life. In that time they have been through multiple owners, many managers, and countless players; everything is a revolving door and ever-changing. The only thing that stays is the supporters. They are the club. The victories are theirs.
Dependent-Panic-9457@reddit
I can’t help you sorry. Obviously it’s easy to understand why if you follow a team in any sport you become invested in their successes and failures.
But I agree the whole “we did it” thing is absolutely ridiculous. Also buying replica tops. What, are you five? Do you also go to bed in spiderman pyjamas?
OP you don’t say whether your partner wears a replica top but if he does, and I think it is fair to assume that it is a “he”, please get him spiderman PJs for his birthday and if he complains point out it is exactly the same
StargazerRex@reddit
OP, what is it about the obsession with fashion? Or music? Or celebrity gossip? Or whatever it might be that enthralls you?
Consider that whatever it is that fascinates you, football has that same factor for others.
Successful_Sea_5631@reddit
The simple answer: it is an addiction. "I can stop whenever I want," is what one would hear if the idea were posited. Many fans are functioning addicts. Their emotions (hearts) are unguarded, leading to inordinate affection. Though, to be fair, many people have some level of addiction to one thing or another.
Chickenshit_outfit@reddit
Its a funny old game, and even though ive never experiences top flight football with my team since going on my first game as a kid mid 80s, I cant live without them never mind how many times they have let me down and crushed me emotionally. Its part of me its in my blood
missdrufox@reddit
My dad is the same and most of my family are too. Im with you, I don't care for it or understand why the fans behave the way they do. My dad literally goes into a dull and his mood is ruined all day if Arsenal loses.
SherbertChance8010@reddit
I assumed that it was because straight men are brought up to not show any positive emotions about anything, but sport is allowed. Football is the most accessible one, so it became the default foundation of emotional expression for most British (and other nationalities) men, the main way they get to interpret the world.
jesusbambino@reddit
I only thing I can liken it to is religion in the way people get deeply emotionally affected by things that do not matter to me in the slightest. I tried to start seeing it that way to be a bit more patient and sympathetic to what I see as some work colleagues’ frankly ridiculous behaviour if the team they support loses, but its ubiquity can make me a bit defensive. Like an atheist living in the Vatican.
VellumSage@reddit
Did you ever feel a sense of belonging from being part of a particular pop star’s support/fandom?
If so, multiply that by a hundred.
LorMaiGay@reddit
At school, my teacher used football to demonstrate how arbitrary religion was.
People wholly devoted themselves to a team to whom they were completely removed from except their unerring adoration.
In other words there is no explanation. It is just a good measure of faith, brainwashing, and devotion that makes a football fan.
laughing_cat@reddit
This will get down voted, so you’re welcome 😂😂😂
We humans are just really smart apes and a lot of the things we do are primitive, ancient and instinctual. When our brains evolved, we lived in groups of 50-75. Other groups were the “other”. The not us, not our team. Survival meant being part of and supporting our team.
Our brain evolving in small groups may be partly why we can fall in love with and become obsessed with a celebrity, someone we don’t actually know in real life. Parts of our brain don’t truly realize we don’t know them.
Another example is the mean girl phenomenon. Women’s role and ability to survive within the group was not about providing protection or strength and certainly not about earnest decency. We and our children, in fact, needed male protection from lots of things, including other males. If times were tough and food was scarce, who was even going to get food? Women closest to the center of the hierarchy. The “mean” ones were better at survival. These women who act this way are behaving primitively.
Anyway, it has been shown archeologically that really, really far back there’s evidence of group against group play fighting within members of a single tribe. Practice fighting, in other words. A group that’s good at, and perhaps even enjoys, play fighting is more likely to survive.
All that said, there are theories that many of us are on the autism scale. I think they really need to find a different label, but lots of people just naturally see through and don’t have much patience for social conventions and things like watching group sports. Right now they just call us autistic. From the list of traits being called autistic nowadays, it’s starting to seem like being on “the spectrum” is superior to not being. But it does put one in the minority.
Please take all this with a grain of salt, I’m painting with a broad brush.
Suspicious-B33@reddit
Football is life.
BusAdditional6518@reddit
I’ve never seen the fascination but I have a theory. Everyone I know who’s football mad was taken to matches or watched it on the telly with their dad growing up. My dad’s dad died when he was very young and he was raised by his mum. He never went to the footy so it was never his thing. Then when he had sons it just wasn’t a thing in our household so we never watched it either. I now have children and they don’t watch it either.
Suspicious-B33@reddit
I had no dad as a child and lived with just my mum who had never been to a match in her life. I got into it because it's a religion where I come from, and at 14 I was taking myself to the match with a group of kids that lived on my estate and I was entranced. Still am. Never miss a match.
Left-Ad-3412@reddit
I thought this. We were sort of the same. Or dad didn't do football, we didn't do football, bug then as an adult one of my brothers REALLY got into it. He's now obsessed too.
I still can't see how people put so much energy into a game. You see physical changes in them when their team starts to lose and everything
BusAdditional6518@reddit
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy watching some sports and I have my favourites. If one wins, good for them. If one loses, never mind and on with my day. It’s the life and deathness I don’t get. Grown men bawling their eyes out because some guys who couldn’t care less about them just lost a game of football. To each their own.
PastorParcel@reddit
Tribalism. People like to belong to a group.
If it's not football it's something else. Football isn't bad, but the fans do tend to get obsessed.
Stan_Dandyliver@reddit
Long story short: It's the modern day equivalent of the colosseum but the Emperor can't give us bread so he doubles down on Football. I actually quite like the game but only non-league really because people play for their passion and not money or fame... you're also far less likely to be given flak for supporting a local team than if you were to wear a Premier team's kit!
chewitttttt@reddit
I think a thing worth adding, is that in many ways supporting a club is a generational thing. I support United, my Dad supports United, my Grandad and Great Grandad both supported United, my children will support United. It was literally something that was passed down to me.
Ok_Place1431@reddit
How do you know your children will support United or even care about football? What if they don't?
chewitttttt@reddit
Ever spoken to someone that has said, "don't follow football, but it I did, it would probably be Team X." Same concept.
_Denizen_@reddit
It's a dealbreaker for me! I refuse to spend a life surrounded by the most boring hobby. There's nothing creative about watching football and I have no idea why it's so popular to watch extremely rich folk do the same thing over and over again in a field.
Blind_rat_rivers@reddit
I don't particularly care for football either but I do appreciate that feeling of all rooting for something together, the comraderie is sort of life affirming. People like belonging to something I think.
7545837427438@reddit
Honestly, it's not something you can truly understand until you're in it. For 24 years of my life I was exactly in your position, didn't get the obsession at all. Then one day I just got bitten by the bug and now it's 4 years later and I'm a diehard fan and NOW I get it.
witchyphaebs@reddit
I'm a woman who never enjoyed football. I always felt out of place in pubs when football was on, and didn't like the lad culture of it all. Then I started seriously dating someone who is football mad (my now husband) and I thought well I might as well try and enjoy it as much as possible. So I started watching the games with him and asked him to explain things to me I didn't understand, like refereeing decisions ect. He did it in a really kind, unpatrionising way and for the first time a man didn't treat me as stupid simply because I'd had no interest in football. And slowly I actually started to enjoy it. It is silly that we all say we, it is silly to care so much, but it brings us joy, and it brought us together as a couple and for that I love it.
betterland@reddit
Finally. Are you me? This is my experience with my boyfriend as well - he's an arsenal fan, so it's wonderful for me right now to see him so full of joy. I'll never fully "get it", but I'm keeping an open mind as possible and I'm very grateful he wants to share his joys and passion with me. The LEAST I could do is listen!
Professional_Watch23@reddit
I am an immigrant in the UK. With Arsenal I found a community. Something we can enjoy (or cry about like tonight) together. Something I can be proud of. Somewhere I can call home.
Inn3rWarri0r_70@reddit
I f’ing hate football so don’t ask me 😂
betterland@reddit
So what's the point of replying? Genuinely
caldawggy13@reddit
My Mrs was the same. I used to get endless pelters for organising SOME days/weekends around the football. She finally gave in and started coming to the pub to watch my team. Class turn out of Scottish/Irish in a pub in England to watch the games, loads of singing, loads of rowdiness and fun. She got sucked in with the mob mentality and we watch a lot of the important games together now.
She has Irish heritage so there is something a little more than football to interest her in my team I suppose. And I fucking hate analysis, podcasts all that stuff, so it doesn't keep me on a 24/7 cycle. If you've not before, maybe go to a game or something as a one off, you might find you can kind of appreciate it, and both meet each other half way!
Rythorian@reddit
I'm so happy you pointed out the "we" mentality, it pisses me off so much. No Dave you didn't do shit downing 10 pints and swearing at the TV, leave the decision making to the professionals
rainb197@reddit
It’s just a bunch of idiots with no purpose in life so they search for meaning thinking that some 20 something millionaires kicking a ball around care about them. It’s so over the top it’s pathetic
WordsUnthought@reddit
I love football. Follow socials and fan accounts, watch many games, I'm definitely a fan.
So I'm speaking from a place of experience when saying that it's just rude to expect plans to revolve around football.
If me and my partner are discussing when to do something at the weekend I might say "d'you mind if we do it later on, Villa are playing at 12:30?" (and conversely she might say "can we do Saturday because Norwich are playing on Sunday?") but neither of us would ever hold or cancel plans entirely. That's antisocial and maladaptive.
I see a friend regularly on Thursday evenings who does not give a shit about football and this season my team have regularly been playing on Thursdays in a European competition - I've seen a few games when they were on earlier in the evening or when my friend was on holiday or whatever but I'd never usually cancel on her to watch the football. I maybe did once, to watch one of the knockout stage games with my dad, but that's the threshold.
Similarly, I play D&D every fourth weekend or so and if that coincides with a time my team are playing, that's a shame but I'll miss the game. I'll check how it's going on my phone every now and then, and watch the highlights later. You can never replace the time spent doing actual things with people you love - a sports team you support can be great but it won't love you back.
If your partner is making you secondary in importance or priority to football he's being a dick, and I'm comfortable saying that as one football fan to another.
Pure-Dead-Brilliant@reddit
This isn’t really about football, it’s about scale. Any hobby that dictates when you can go out, takes over your shared time, and leaves someone physically present but mentally elsewhere is going to grate. Replace football with gaming or gym obsession and most people would call it out straight away. Football just gets more a cultural pass in the UK. Following a team is fine. enjoying matches is fine but if your partner has to plan their life around your hobby and you can’t engage with them without checking scores every five minutes, that’s not just having an interest anymore.
I say this as someone who will be following Scotland and Australia in the upcoming World Cup but not to the exclusion of all else.
julianAppleby5997@reddit
I don't get it either, nor Rugby, or Golf
IhaveaDoberman@reddit
I'm not a football fan, but I do play sport and watch some others. So I do understand the emotional investment and connection people find in it.
I didn't used to, so I also know how alien and odd that passion can seem. And unless you get it, you just can't. It's a bit like trying to explain an old in joke to someone new, unless you were there and part of it's creation, it's just never going to be funny. But that joke can continue to evolve and at some point that new person may suddenly find themselves being in on it.
What I will say, and this isn't directed at you OP, is what I notice most amongst people who are quick to talk about not getting football fandom. Is that they often look at it from a position of superiority. And that doesn't really convince me they actually posses the greater emotional maturity or empathy they typically attempt to infer. Again, I get that, because I also used to do it.
TakovacsPlays@reddit
Appeals to the innate tribalism of humans.
OkCaregiver517@reddit
Football is unutterably dull.
OsotoViking@reddit
I've never even watched a football match, and I don't get it either. I'd say just date a guy who doesn't like football.
baxty23@reddit
If he was obsessed he’d go to games rather than sit in front of the telly.
LegitimatePowder@reddit
Not true. You have to factor in the costs of going out.
matt_wales86@reddit
It is true. Local football can be cheap.
geekroick@reddit
Male, 40s.
Never cared about it, never watched a match, absolutely not bothered about football in the slightest.
Would love to understand why people get so invested, tbh, but I can't be arsed.
matt_wales86@reddit
Do you have a hobby? Music? Cars? People go to car shows, look at other cars. I find that boring. They dont.
quite_acceptable_man@reddit
I'm the same. I've often wondered if there's a part of my brain missing or something. It's fine to watch and enjoy sport, but I don't get what it is with football in particular that people get so obsessed over, to the extent that the result of a football match can affect their mood, and in some cases make them violent or cry tears of joy.
It's just men chasing a ball.
geekroick@reddit
Say what you like about old Glinner these days but the IT Crowd football episode is still the most true thing he's ever come up with.
The extent of my football knowledge is quite literally a line out of this ("[Team] always try to walk it in") and whenever I say it I still get people legitimately agreeing with me!
quite_acceptable_man@reddit
What was Wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?
geekroick@reddit
🤣
Andromidius@reddit
Its a form of tribalism that's socially acceptable. That's mostly what it boils down to with the true fanatics - not just the people who enjoy the game but make it their entire personality.
WarmJewel@reddit
There are generally two types of football fans and they're not mutually exclusive. Those with tribal associations, ie my grandad, dad, uncle, brother, friends, college mates, school mates, area I live in etc supported them and I will as well, and those who simply enjoy the beauty, elegance, strategy and skill of the game itself.
As I said they're not mutually exclusive you can have both types in the same person.
PurplePlodder1945@reddit
I (female) don’t get it either. I honestly couldn’t be with someone who’s mega fan of football. It bores me to tears. Which is weird because I don’t mind watching cricket! Fortunately I’m in Wales and among people I know, rugby is definitely more popular than football. People like the footie, my nephew will have his phone out at family BBQs, but it’s not all consuming
matt_wales86@reddit
Rugby is definitely not more popular than football. What are the attendances at club rugby comoared to football?
Logical-Track1405@reddit
You either feel it or you don't...and that's fine.😉
GreenShell2014@reddit
Are you going to the parade with him tomorrow?
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I am definitely not 🤣 a million drunk shouting men in the sun, I'm alright on that one
matt_wales86@reddit
Women like football too
zoppaTheDim@reddit
It is an addiction, like heroin to the dopamine rush of winning and the roller coaster ride of emotions.
For decades he’s had this habit, it is tied up with most good memories of his dad and his first pals, and is likely the only way they ever shared their emotions.
ThatBlokeYouKnow@reddit
Women gossip about their friends, if men did that we would get our heads kicked in so we gossip about football instead.
VariationHumble6050@reddit
Working class ballet.
After-Strawberry-210@reddit
There is nothing to get. It's just another hobby just like anything else. But there needs to be a balance to it. What I don't get is people who allows their whole lives to be consumed by their hobbies.
Weekly-Practice-8614@reddit
It’s a mental illness/obsession
East-Delivery9834@reddit
Im a male and could not care less about football
doublewindsor1980@reddit
I feel like I could have wrote this post. I’m 45 year old man who has never been interested in football, I used to enjoy playing it as a kid, but never liked watching it. I used to get taken to games as a kid, I tried to pretend to like it, I thought it would grow on me but it didn’t.
I would go as far to say as I really dislike football, if I turn the TV on and football is on and I hear the noise of the fans it sends a cringey judder down my spine and I either have to mute it or turn over.
Every girlfriend I’ve ever had has been really pleased I don’t like football because of the points OP has raised. When the World Cup or Euros is on friends ask me if I want to go to the pub to watch the game, I’ll say no, you know I don’t like football, and they say, but it’s England. I understand wanting to support your country, but that’s how much I don’t line football.
rumple-4-skinn@reddit
I like watching rugby as the score is always changing, I find football boring to watch as it regularly ends 0-0 and I think what a waste of 90 minutes
Gingerpett@reddit
It's such a boring sport that they have to make it tribal for anyone to care about it. If you take that away - my god it's dull. Nowhere else can you get a nil nil draw.
Like, take tennis - every single hit of the ball makes a difference. That could be the shot that wins the point that takes one person ahead of the other to win the game on the next pint, which puts them ahead for the set etc etc etc.
In football they pass the ball backwards and forwards to each other, occasionally losing possession and then regaining it, for an hour and a half and then the game ends.
If there wasn't a huge mystique surrounding it, centered on tribes and history and in-group out-group bollocks - it would have no appeal.
It's the emperor's new clothes.
SwiftJedi77@reddit
Is there nothing you're passionate, even obsessive about? With me, it's music - I'm not bothered about football, but many are. Some people aren't bothered about music. There's not really anything to explain, you either feel passionately about something or you don't.
Careless_Orchid_6890@reddit
Mainstream culture and identity. A lot of overlap with alcohol, gambling and social interaction. It’s nice to feel like you’re a part of something.
DrMacAndDog@reddit
Sport is drama without a script. Imagine going to the theatre and they made the story up on the spot, while another team of actors tried to tell their story and there’s only one winner.
irish_horse_thief@reddit
Hes obsessed with football but only watches it on TV. Do yourselves both a favour and buy him tickets to go watch the home games. He'll love you more and you can enjoy something of your own while hes at the match.
DaddyK3tchup@reddit
It’s tribal.
AccomplishedRice7427@reddit
I used to play football at a reasonable level, so I went to a lot of matches/training sessions at professional clubs etc.
25 years later and the whole thing just leaves me cold.
Men bang on about how women are "too emotional" about stuff, and then cry like babies because some bunch of overpaid beeeeps didn't manage to kick a round bag of air into the other team's goal enough times.
It is absolutely infuriating.
Ok-Special6463@reddit
I’m a 30 year old female who watches football and I do tend to plan my weekends around my teams game. I grew up in a football household with both my parents being season ticket holders and travelling for big away games to other countries. My experience growing up with it definitely shaped my interest in it and it’s been a big bonding point in my family getting together and watching/talking about the games, team news etc.
If you’re not a football fan you’re probably never going to get it and that’s okay. Everyone has different hobbies, my partner for example loves hill walking, I personally find it so dull there is literally nothing that would make me want to spend my time off climbing a hill.
You’ve said you’re forced to watch it because you live in a studio apartment but does he actually make a point of telling you to watch it with him or do you just feel you have to because of your living situation? If it’s the latter, there is nothing to stop you doing something else that you enjoy while he watches the game. You’ve also said that you watch your shows after he is asleep so he doesn’t have to watch them, that is really considerate of you, but the difference with the two is that what he is watching is a live game and by watching reruns at a time that is convenient for you he is having the score ruined taking a lot of the enjoyment and suspense out of watching it in the first place.
If his love of football and desire to watch the games is something that you can’t get past then that is absolutely okay, it just means you aren’t compatible. I personally love seeing my partner passionate about his hobbies even if they are of no interest to me and I don’t understand them, his enjoyment of them makes me happy. If you don’t feel like that then big picture it might be time to consider if you are right for each other long term or if this is something that will cause you to resent him over time.
Abacus_Mode@reddit
Soap Opera for men.
Unable_Explorer4986@reddit
Supporting you local team or a big club depending on where you live to see at least 22 men kick a ball for 90mins plus for over 38 games in a season excluding other tournament just so you can dunk on your rivals (you will need to choose careful) when the time and situation occurs.
Enjoy the ride and put you helmet on too.
It's a 3 point deduction if you dont.
Major_Bahoobage@reddit
Tribal idiocy
JohnnyOneLung@reddit
Ask your partner.
kazman@reddit
And you know we've got the world cup starting in 2 weeks right? It'll be wall to wall football : )
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I've booked myself in a lot of nightshifts at work so I can avoid as much as possible 😊
kazman@reddit
Haha probably a smart move if you don't like football! Personally I do so can't wait. Why didn't you try watching a game or two, you might like it : )
CanidPsychopomp@reddit
I don't think there is a single, easy explanation for it. Full disclosure, I am a lifelong football fan.
So just to get it out of the way, yes, of course it's absurd. Nonetheless, football fantom brings specific and potentially significant psychological and social rewards.
Firstly, BELONGING. We like the feeling of belonging. The ability to delineate an in-group of which we are part. Colours, sigil, mantras, places that are ours.
Secondly, NARRATIVE. I actually first got into football as a kid via comics. Football is a soap, football is celebrity obsession but all within a very structured format. Football has great stories.
Belonging and narrative give us MEANING. In football, every event, every result, every rumour is charged with meaning. Everything has consequence.
Primary-Angle4008@reddit
I never understood football either, my children played for a while when they were little but I think it was more peer pressure then actual interest and thanks god they never got into watching it
But I have to say I do sometimes enjoy a good game, like I watched the game tonight and enjoyed it and I might watch some of the World Cup but I wouldn’t watch premier league or other non final games.
My husband watches cricket sometimes,that’s a lot worse then football, can go on forever and I don’t understand it at all
But just get some headphones and watch or listen something on your phone / tablet / laptop
ConfidentRemove9778@reddit
My husband is similarly obsessed and I really don't understand it either. Football is, quite frankly, the bane of my life.
_Foxlet_@reddit
I was not into football- my immediate family weren't into it. But I met my now husband and it was a big part of his life.
I figured I had 2 choices - maintain my life as someone who dislikes football and proud of it- disliking every moment forced to watch or attend games...or try to take an interest and see where it goes.
I chose option 2. Started small, learnt a few players names, discused kits I liked, built little personality profiles in my head (I'm a big fiction reader).
Once I knew players, I started rooting for a few, like you want a character in a book or movie to succeed.
Then I started asking about rules - learning what was tactical - why my favourites made the choices they did. And I began to root for this little group of people I'd been watching - I wanted them to do well and I knew the ins and outs of what they needed to do to succeed.
After that, I was in. It took some effoet but the payoff of enjoying this sport alongside my husband is so worth it. I suggest going to the pub for games now, I know the songs, I love the atmosphere. Why not?
Unhappy_Ad5954@reddit
protip: it's simulated war/battle
obstagoons_playlist@reddit
It always seemed like autistic masking to me personally
Wooden_Astronaut4668@reddit
Okay, so this is my opinion.
Also female, also brought up in a football household.
Enjoy Football but not obsessed.
I think the appeal is that Football is such an accessible sport, it is literally a legitimate way for working class kids to belong, get out of trouble and have the possibility of earning well and I think fans see this and it appeals. Everyone loves an underdog? Everyone loves to think that “anyone (with football skill) can do it” - its not nepotistic. It doesn’t cost much to play. It doesn’t need anywhere special to play or any special equipment.
There is nothing better than how it brings people together.
You can go on Right wing march in London or a Left wing march in London but if you both support Arsenal you are gonna be completely united tomorrow when they parade the cup.
It crosses boundaries and unites people beyond class/sex/race etc (it can divide people too obviously).
The only thing I do wish though was that it was less homophobic!
AccordingBasket8166@reddit
Without supporters these teams wouldn't exist.
To me watching sport is mind numbing, but I understand the concept of community, identity and belonging.
Medical_Mulberry3230@reddit
Obviously you are not a woman, you are a fan of a failing club, you are unable to accept that you are in it for life. You have no option other than to join r/Championship
Final_Name_4228@reddit
Chase the ball! Chase the ball! Ooo kick it!.... no. I don't get it either. I used to support Liverpool, because my grandad brainwashed me. Up until age 25 or thereabouts I used to watch every England and Liverpool game. Then... i realised... it's fucking boring
Monkeyboogaloo@reddit
The negative comments from non football fans amuse me. Many of them are portraying all football fans as drunken louts shouting.
I have been going to football for 48 years. And supporting team for four years before that.
For many of us we don't choose our team but it chooses us, and at a young age so it's present all our lives.
We form friendships over our team and football in general. It tribal, it base, its about being a part of something bigger than you.
I have known plenty of passionate armchair fans but for me it's been about being there as a part of it.
If you want a deeper understanding then I recommend you watch Welcome to Wrexam.
paulruk@reddit
You can love football and not be a dick. I've been a fan since my teens and I'm now 45 and work in football. But I'm not going to miss a family thing for it etc. It's not my everything.
mightypup1974@reddit
Same here, honestly. Never given a hoot about any sport.
ToddleWaddle@reddit
No I don't get it either and I wouldn't date someone obsessed with football like this. Your kids will end up like this too.
Defiant_Income_7836@reddit
Brit here and have never understood, from birth, why anyone would care about sports as a whole. Especially a nebulous 'team' that consists of rotating players. (I used to box and identify with certain individual boxers, due to their personality...but even then didn't really care who won or lost.)
I should have been a football fan. My dad is obsessed with it and he tried to take me to matches as a boy. I begged to leave by half time as I was so bored. He tried playing football with me and or involving me in local boy scout teams but I was so tuned out, it seemed so pointless...all of us chasing this ball like a bunch of dumb dogs.
I got into boxing, martial arts and weights... Individual sports, I love, but still can't stand watching others perform. It's so boring.
This post encapsulates what it felt like for me to grow up in the UK around people who are into sport. Tedious!
Inzago@reddit
Its just bloody fantastic really. Being a part of something bigger than yourself with 0 entry requirements
Chimpstrider@reddit
I'm a man and also have no interest in it.
I think for many it starts at least, as a ready made common interest. Many people are surprisingly unsecured, socially, and having a thing toile, or just say you like, that gives you common ground with strangers or new acquaintances can be attractive.
For others it's a socially acceptable nerd/geek behaviour. The amount of trivia, meaningless knowledge, devotion, etc is really no different to a computer games geek or warhammer obsessed need, it just a socially respected geekery.
At the end if the day it's just an jntrrest/hobby/obsession like any other.
The whole thing of being unable to think about much else though, being antisocial because you have to follow a game, or getting genuinely miserable when a team loses, or whatever, like your husband, is not something I can understand and if I'm honest I see that stuff as quite pathetic/ridiculous. That level of needy addiction to any other geeky hobby or interest would be rightly seen as loser behaviour, a problem to overcome.
But it's all part of the human condition
CharlAlice@reddit
Football has given me so many precious memories with my dad, it’s given me a second family, it’s given me an escape when life feels heavy, it’s been a huge part of my life and always will be. You don’t need to understand it but you do have to accept that it’s important to people, and it’s nice to respect that.
jimmyboogaloo78@reddit
It's the only thing men can get passionate about? Discuss
JustDifferentGravy@reddit
Your partner is a fan boy, not an actual lover of football.
Willsagain2@reddit
I'm just happy to get on with something else while he enjoys that stuff. Two quotes helped me " Somebody said that football’s a matter of life and death to you, I said ‘listen, it’s more important than that’.” (Bill Shankly)
"The natural state of the football fan is bitter disappointment, no matter what the score." Nick Hornby
Harry-666666@reddit
I’ve gone to football games since I was a kid a million years ago. Met my wife & took her to a couple of games. Third game she was hooked & ended up getting her a season ticket as well. That was 2011. We have different interests, some we share, some we don’t. If I watch a general game on TV it is on a tablet while we watch something else together. If it is my/our team playing an away game then it’s normally on the big screen. Hope you find something that can work for both of you.
Secure-Chemistry4619@reddit
People want to belong to something greater than themselves. It comes out as nationalism, tribalism, clanism etc I am ok with people identifying with football.
GasQuirky3938@reddit
I'm with you here. I'd rather watch paint dry than watch football.
If the sport doesn't involve a match of several days duration I'm not interested.
weedywet@reddit
And I’ve never been on a train with paint hooligans.
GasQuirky3938@reddit
We operate on the outside of the train 😄
Iain11011@reddit
I’m with you, football, and the obsession around particularly, is boring.
Max_Power_332@reddit
Do any of these people in your household actually go to games? Because if so I fully understand - it’s a hobby and a lifestyle.
If they’re sitting at home watching it on telly then I can’t answer your question as that makes no sense to me.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
Nobody goes to matches, its all at home or at the pub
IllegalWalian@reddit
He's obsessed but doesn't go to the games? That's a bit weird, except maybe if he can't afford it. I'd be tempted to wind him up and start calling him a plastic fan
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
We've been together 4 years, hes been to one game in that time 🤷🏽♀️ its just a lot of social media and watching it on the telly
GeneralAddress2614@reddit
He needs hobbies. I guess he supports a team miles away from the small town you live in?
Most men are boring and easily satisfied. I say this as someone who regularly attends footy games....but its just a game to me. I have other shit to do as well.
IllegalWalian@reddit
He'd probably be happier with less social media (especially just now if he's an arsenal fan!). Maybe suggest you both do a digital detox and spend some time on a joint activity?
Max_Power_332@reddit
Yeah for those of us who actually follow teams this makes no sense at all. It’s performative nonsense.
BenRod88@reddit
You try to get tickets when there’s over 100k people ahead of you looking for tickets for every game when there’s less than half of that number in actual available seats
Max_Power_332@reddit
Go and follow a proper club then.
BenRod88@reddit
I do. Not quite sure what your comment means exactly
FreeShat@reddit
Spounds like hes gambling
Amazing_Image523@reddit
I don’t personally like something so I can’t understand why others do? Are you like 10 years old ?
Necessary_Umpire_139@reddit
It's a case of my dad's bigger than your dad but my towns better than your town.
IsOkay_No@reddit
What I don’t get is, for the people that don’t like football why is so important that everyone knows you don’t like it. (Not aimed at OP but some of the comments) like I don’t like Eurovision or boxing or X factor but it’s massive for some people
sulphurwind@reddit
What passions and hobbies do you have? And how much do you invest your time and emotions in them? (I am not a football fan, I only watch the World Cup and not all matches)
No_Presentation_3212@reddit
What I don’t understand is why so many women are into football. Is it because if they weren’t their husbands would just leave them behind so they decided to get into it? Glad my husband isn’t into it. We have too many other interests.
Ok-Dog5719@reddit
It's a tribal thing.
Distinct-Quantity-46@reddit
I don’t get it either, I’ve no interest whatsoever and I grew up in a family who had no interest either, I made it a stipulation that the partner I chose to spent my life with could not be a football obsessive either because I wouldn’t tolerate it.
My husband does like football, but I made it very clear when I met him that I wouldn’t tolerate obsessiveness, I would not have it on the tv in our home regardless of whether it was the World Cup, and I’ve stuck to it, we’re still together 31 years later
liquindian@reddit
I used to dislike football because I thought it was a distraction from more important things. I now like football because it's a distraction from more important things.
Substantial-Put1056@reddit
I’ve never understood it, it’s always seemed like quite a boring game to me. 90 minutes kicking a ball about and if you’re lucky someone might score. I prefer games with more immediate or frequent moments of pleasure and excitement
Legitimate-Tadpole95@reddit
I’m a fan of many sports. The one I don’t like is football. I watch them fiddling and faffing around in the middle of the pitch, passing the ball back and forth giving the opposition a week to build their defence and want to scream at the telly “ for f#ck’s sake the aim is to score a goal. Just get on with it.”
Free_Ad7415@reddit
So
They’re men, and the famous team and players are men. They grow up playing football and idolising the players- they can’t help it, it’s what they’re socialised to like.
It brings them together into friendship groups and gives them a reason to hang out. So many men simply will NOT go for lunch or a coffee, only manly pastimes like pub or football allowed.
The reason we don’t like it is we aren’t socialised to- and there wasn’t a women’s team for us to look up to when we were young. I wasn’t even allowed to step foot on the football field when I was at school, of COURSE football was not for me.
dusknoir90@reddit
I'm a guy who literally doesn't get it at all either in a family of huge arsenal fans. My dad used to get in such a bitter mood when Arsenal lost... Genuinely never understood it.
GroundbreakingRing42@reddit
I've never liked it as a man growing up in north London, I am somewhat of an outlier.
In my non-conformist dickhead years I was really snarky about it "its just 22 men chasing a ball, why do you care so much?"
I still don't like it, but I love the idea of talking to someone I've never met at a social function and not talking politics/weather. I envy that, 2 people can have an instant inside knowledge and a connection. It's a nice thing. Hooliganism and people missing their child's birth for qualifiers aside ofcourse lol
WonderfulJury8885@reddit
If he doesn’t ever food shop, cook, wash up, clean etc etc either defo get out of there. That's a manchild.
ghostofkilgore@reddit
I'm really into football. I don't put it above family, relationships etc though. But if it's a really big game, then I'm not missing it unless someone's dying or something.
My dad took me to the football when I was a kid. We support a smaller team. My grandad took my dad when he was a kid. It's always been something that me and my dad have shared since then. I feel like I'm a part of the club I support and they're a part of me. It's something that connects me to my dad, my grandad (who died before I was born) and the area and all the history that comes with that.
It's difficult to explain beyond that apart from it all just seems to really resonate with some kind of unconscious desire for something tribal and competitive. If you don't have that, then you don't. The whole atmosphere around it, the tension, drama, etc just isn't going to resonate with you.
ginger-tiger108@reddit
Ha ha yeah I'm scouse and I don't care about football which has always incited a very visceral from most people
WonderfulJury8885@reddit
Find a new partner? Sounds pretty selfish. Mine isn’t quite so obsessed, never did all the football chat stuff, and he will put family first. A bit older probably and pissed off by the big money and hype in football so has lost a degree of interest. We had Sky Sports but have never sprung for the add ons. I use sporting events as a kind of babysitting these days. He’s not asking me what “we’re” watching on TV if there’s football, cricket, rugby, golf on, I watch my shit on iPad elsewhere.
Busy-Doughnut6180@reddit
My nan lives near the Emirates. They treated the area like absolute trash all day long last Sunday, acting like schoolkids. I'll never get it either.
GreenShell2014@reddit
Be prepared for tomorrow!
Busy-Doughnut6180@reddit
Already done the shopping for her, we'll be having a mini lockdown lol.
Empty-Selection9369@reddit
I see you!!!
Tommy42728@reddit
I'm single, so I can invest in my hobbies but if I was in a relationship, I would make her my number 1 hobby.
frankschrodinger@reddit
It gives people a sense of belonging to something gfeater than themselves, and also allows a healthy (most of the time) channeling of testoreone fuelled tribal instincts
RobsOffDaGrid@reddit
I sympathise with you my wife luckily couldn’t care less. We went to a local retail park to do some shopping a while back and wondered why it was so empty till we noticed what was on the tvs in curry’s from outside I don’t get it either one of my wife’s friends came round with her husband a few years back and asked if he could watch the football not realising we don’t have sky. Shame you’re going to have to make small talk. We used to have to make an appointment to see the in-laws as they are so obsessed, they now live in Devon miles away from us so that one solved itself. F1 has gone the same way to a certain extent with some people. There are plenty of males around who are like you so maybe time to move on.
Felineincognito15@reddit
I don't understand it either.
missyru4@reddit
No I can not. Would never marry someone who loves sports
MiserableChemist2701@reddit
Not really interested in football although as a British male I feel you need to have a certain amount of knowledge just to be able to talk to other blokes (which I do find annoying). I have been to loads of countries and as soon as I say I have come in from Manchester that is all I get, so I need a bare minimum of conversatio points.
But I do get what it is like to be a fan: the performance of the England cricket team generates the same response in me. I was getting up in the middle of the night to watch the Ashes in Australia despite knowing full well it would be really depressing and rubbish. Which is probably the same as watching your lower tier side get pumped by City or whatever.
raynaputi@reddit
I've only started watching football when I met my now hubby 15 years ago. I love it! I don't know about you but I enjoy watching sports, like tennis, f1, darts, cricket sometimes, and a lot more when it's olympics, and I do think football is one of the most exciting sports there is. I don't usually watch rugby or golf as I don't understand a lot of it, but never basketball as it's so boring.
scarletOwilde@reddit
I’m in the garden listening to birds while my friends are glued to the TV watching the dross!
GoHomeCryWantToDie@reddit
Do you have a passion in life? It could be a singer or a game or a passtime that you would be absolutely devastated if it stopped? Football is like that for a lot of people. Have you been to a gig and felt the vibe in the venue? It's like that too.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
But at home? Like if i watch the live stream of Glastonbury at home on YouTube i wouldn't act how i would act if I was actually there.
skankyone@reddit
Can't stand the game, as a guy, I find football mind numbingly, tedious.
Federal-Demand-2968@reddit
Certainly not me. Sorry
BarryTownCouncil@reddit
It's nothing to do with football itself of course. It's what people are brought up with, what they are "served" as part of British culture. If you were in America he'd be as obsessed with Basketball or NFL. It's a macguffin for a sense of tribal belonging etc.
When your thing is time critical though, it is so much more significant to watch live etc. afterwards it just doesn't hit as hard, whatever it is.
Dull_Squash5188@reddit
I totally agree with you 100% .
Separate-Region2070@reddit
I'm also don't like football. From it seems to combination of tribalism and styalized conflict. The team are a tribes champions and the tribes wants their champions to succeed. It seems a sort combat proxy whete losing is a disaster and winning is triumph. It seems akin to gambling or risk taking to where the person craves a dopamine rush.
fredfoooooo@reddit
If you look at what is played out with these sporting events it fits into literary archetypes which are extremely satisfying, because we all, on some level, love stories. By being a football fan you are identifying with heroes and villains who are in perpetual combat. This appeals on a visceral level and the genuine excitement of seeing your hero(es) either victorious or vanquished makes a great story. And it gets repeated every Saturday afternoon. On top of that, despite the clear identification we make with our team, whatever happens actually does not really matter. It’s the story not the outcome.
HobNob_Pack@reddit
Couldn't tell you.
My dad was mad into football when I was younger. Ive got cousins who played for United who he supported and I got to go to the games and meet the players.
It still never interested me.
11 millionaires kicking a ball and diving on the floor every 2 seconds against another 11 millionaires
waveform06@reddit
The way I put it to a sports fanatic once was
Why should I care that a bunch of Eastern Europeans and Africans have moved to a city in the UK where they can't speak the language to kick a lump of dead cow around with some numpty locals a bit better than another bunch of Eastern Europeans/Africans and numpty locals, and be paid per year more than I will earn in my life .... and be arrogant and grumpy about it.
His reply
So you are a Rugby Fan?
Derfel60@reddit
Think of it like a family. When your family wins or loses, you feel the emotions with them even though you have nothing to do with your sisters promotion or your nephews grades. Now imagine you could watch it happening in real time, you see your nephew sitting a test and get to see him get answers wrong or right for 90 minutes. All your friends and family are following it too and you can watch together, cheering the wins and commiserating the losses.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
This is helpful, thank you! I still don't get it, as you know your family and friends and therefore have a reason to root for them, but you don't know the football players personally. But thank you very much for trying to explain! I'm autistic so maybe this is just never going to click for me 🤣
Derfel60@reddit
No problem. On the knowing them part, its not about the players as players come and go. The club is the tribe. Lets say you support Liverpool, you support Liverpool because your dad supported Liverpool, and his dad, and his. You are from Liverpool so you have a family connection and a local connection. When they win its actually your home and your family winning, and vice versa when they lose. It doesnt actually matter whether Konate or Salah or Shankly or whoever scores the winner, it matters that the badge on their shirt represents your home and family.
Tall_Stick5608@reddit
You shouldn’t be asking this question if you were raised in a football watching household. The question should have been answered over the years by your own household
KittyJF@reddit
I'm the same. Grew up in a household obsessed with football, which caused so many arguments, hence why I hate it. Its just grown men, in shorts, chasing a ball, being paid far too much money.
Eastern_Arm1476@reddit
I work with a LOT of football bores.
It's the only subject they'll engage with.
I can feel myself getting less intelligent when I'm drawn into their nonsense.
Its 22 overpaid men kicking a bag of wind about.
I can't. I don't even want to.
Current-Ad1688@reddit
Part of it is exactly the group chat thing. It's a thing you can all talk about, and there's basically always something to talk about. It's something you can use as an "excuse" to get together. There are all kinds of interpretations of everything. It's basically an endless source of conversation. And your "ability" in those conversations is partly down to how much you've been paying attention, so there's an incentive to stay on top of it.
There's probably all kinds of positive feedback stuff going on as well, where as a kid you feel a bit lonely and then another kid has a football shirt on and you start talking about it and they become your best mate for ages. That kind of stuff has an impact on people's lives and psyches. It's the stuff you used to talk to your grandad about. Or it's the only time you used to spend time with your dad. Or it's the only time you saw him express emotion or give you a hug. I think loads of it is bonding between men who otherwise would find it difficult to bond with people, so it takes on this kind of magical power in their lives. And that's not to say that all football chat is trivial chatter between emotionally stunted and boring men. Sometimes it's really, really funny or inventive or insightful or interesting. It's just been there when you've needed it, absolutely loads of times. My relationship with my brother, for example, would be much weaker if we didn't have football to talk about. Like we'd still talk about other stuff obviously, and we'd still love each other, but as I say, it's just something that's always there when you needed it. We go on little trips to watch footy and stuff like that. And the best parts of them are never the football itself, but it's this thing that binds us a bit, I guess (among loads of other things).
Even now as an adult, I've had a pretty rough couple of years and going to the footy is just such a bright spot. You're sat in a stadium with tens of thousands of other people, there's no pressure, you can shout as loud as you want if you feel like it, you can sing in a choir of 30,000, you can listen to a choir of 29,999, you can just sit and drink your tea and moan about players being shit. It's this weird little bubble where you're in an environment that is palpably meaningful, but there are no real consequences. There's a bloke who's 95 next to you, there are little kids mucking about with their dad, there are two blokes who've sat next to each other for 25 years and never spoken to each other. All there sharing the same experience, however they want to experience it.
It's also just a pretty interesting game. I'll watch games on the telly between teams I have no emotional attachment to just because it's interesting to see how they approach the game, how the players react to situations. People watching in a way. All the little storylines that emerge, the characters, the unpredictability of it all, the weird little language that surrounds it.
Gazelle-Unfair@reddit
Life can be small. Football can make you feel like you are part of something bigger. There will be ups and downs, and sometimes triumphs. Sure, you have your representatives running around on the pitch, but it feels like your support is lifting them to perform better.
Men yearned to be accepted as part of "the gang" at school. Now they can be by choice.
Alarming_Actuary_630@reddit
I am obsessed with football. I was took to my first football match when I was 13. It was a night match, Sheffield Wednesday v Blackburn rovers back in the early 90’s. I remember walking up the kop steps and into the floodlit stadium, taking in the music and the atmosphere and felt a rush of adrenaline. I still get that feeling still now every time I go to Hillsborough. I love away days, i base my weekends around fixtures. If I’m not going to the match I need to be watching or listening. I hate it when football season is over. I don’t just love my team, I will watch any decent game, especially if there’s something that the teams playing for like promotion, play off spot, cup or relegation battle. My kids …. Don’t get it. I took them to quite a few matches when they were growing up and neither my son or daughter are interested. It guts me because it would be nice for us to have that hobby in common. Husband supports Liverpool…. We live in Yorkshire so we just watch them matches on tv, so my husband is a good guy to humour me and go watch Wednesday with me. Yes… I am a woman… and I do not have any girl mates who like footy like I do. When I was at school, everyone chose to go Alton towers or flamingo land on the school trips… I chose to go for a tour round goodison park instead ( my teacher was an Everton fan) I am a girly girl too so men don’t expect me to be able to hold my own down the pub when it turns to football talk. I love it 😂 Can i explain the passion and the love? Not really…. For me it’s been a huge part of my life and I never want that to change. It’s a huge part of my relationship with my husband, we wouldn’t have worked out if he didn’t like football I don’t think, it’s a big thing we have in common. If we aren’t going the match on a weekend , we are going the pub to watch it ( unless it’s Man U and Liverpool as he won’t go out and watch that cos it’s too tense haha)
At least we have the World Cup to keep me entertained this summer till the season begins again…. Bring on league 1 ( on zero points 😊😊😊😊) WAWAW 💙
Danglyweed@reddit
I swear my husband is pure Celtic and tea. Fancy a shag? "nah I've just made tea" "the games just starting". We're currently watching the arsenal vs psg game as the wee man wanted it on. We did meet through a Celtic fan group tbf
mojnjaro@reddit
You have to know the rules to enjoy it
weedywet@reddit
No. I’ll never understand it.
JackBlaise@reddit
For me the football club represents me and my family. I was born by the ground, went every week with my mum and dad, my grandparents were mad about watching our team because at its core football is about a team representing your geographic area.
Nowadays, football is a lot more global and so it doesn't make as much sense in same way, but the family value is still there as a lot of people support the team that their family member supports.
On your point about it not actually being me playing, that's true, but support in a stadium really does help a team, so you can play a part in that way. Otherwise, the cloest non-sport equivalent I can think of is music or film.
In music, you can listen to albums from your favourite artist and get really excited to go to a concert. Whilst you and there you get really excited and sing and dance, much like football fans cheer. A lot of people also follow their favourite singers on social media and wear specific gear to the gigs. Music can be very emotional as well.
In film or tv, you can get heavily attached to characters, get happy when things happen, get angry at villains or cry when something bad happens.
Ultimately, supporting a football club is about being part of a community who all want the same things and its a great way to meet people or even just have an ad-hoc conversation.
OkPosition20@reddit
Its tribal and competitive, all the things from our ancestors
Phantomfox07@reddit
Ultimately, you got with him knowing he likes the football, why the fuck are you now complaining he is passionate about something?
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
As i just said up above, I support his passion entirely, I just don't understand it. I've bought him Arsenal merch, I've watched hours of the sport. I've asked questions and tried to learn. Don't know why you feel the need to get sweary
Phantomfox07@reddit
Ah my bad, hes an Arsenal fan my condolences.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I've heard this before, would it be better if he supported a different team? People don't seem to like arsenal and their fans
Phantomfox07@reddit
I say what I did as a bitter season ticket holder for Tottenham, so take what I say with a fat pinch of salt.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
My family are Tottenham supporters so I understand🤣 better luck next year?🤷🏽♀️
twospoons11@reddit
Kind of brings people together, often who would have nothing in common? Female speaking, I love the atmosphere of live game
chez2202@reddit
I think we might be sisters.
My significant other was actually worried that our family get together for his mother’s 94th birthday would interfere with the football. Thankfully it was a 2pm kick off and the family party started at 5pm.
If it hadn’t been an early kick off I would probably have hidden the remote controls. The tv is too big to hide. And we have 4 in total so the controls would have been the best option.
There’s football on our TV right now. Champions League. I’m wearing ear plugs.
Carnste@reddit
Imagine trying to explain something you’re a fan of to somebody who absolutely does not care, and trying to convince them why it’s good. You just can’t.
ImNotHaunted@reddit
It’s really worrying if you invest so much time and effort into a hobby you can’t describe what you like about it…
Carnste@reddit
How’s it worrying? Is me turning my brain off and just enjoying 90 minutes of football somehow an issue? Lol
Englishbirdy@reddit
Go to a match with him. Watch the World Cup. Pick a player to follow. You'll get it.
DueLead666@reddit (OP)
I've watched hours of it, been to matches. Still don't care
TSotP@reddit
I'm a man in the same boat. I have never cared about football. Not watching it, playing it, going to watch it live, or even playing FIFA on the computer.
I don't get it, like, at all.
dinkidoo7693@reddit
I like football but I’m not obsessed like my dad and brother. I couldn’t be in a relationship with an obsessed football fan.
In your case i would make arrangements with friends whilst he watches the game’s. Or break up.
myblackandwhitecat@reddit
Do you have any hobbies of your own you could follow while he is watching the football? Or does he want you to watch it with him? I once had a relationship with a football fan. It would not have bothered me at all if only he hadn't tried to push it onto me.
He_ofshadowsandtouch@reddit
No idea, most big teams are a collection of randoms from all over the world with no connection to the team location
I prefer boxing etc which feel more authentic
Darwen85@reddit
Are you not passionate about anything?
callmeeeow@reddit
Nah I don't get it either, and thankfully nor does my husband. I'm obligated to support my home team, because you can't grow up in Newcastle and not support United, it's unheard of. So I miiight watch the match if I stumble across it on telly but otherwise meh, I don't really care.
Makes me laugh every time the World Cup comes around though, and they're all on about "football's coming home" - lol no it isn't! They should disguise the Lionesses as blokes and let them play instead, maybe we'd have a chance 😂
Nilrem2@reddit
https://youtu.be/xN1WN0YMWZU?si=KAhWDYjTIa_FF7SP
Several-Hat-8966@reddit
Proper football fans who follow their local club feel like they belong to something greater, something traditional, it has roots in their social awareness, it’ll be there when they’re gone from the world. It’s intrinsic to their life, their routine. Plastic fans who support the flashiest, most successful team, have never seen them live or even been to that country, I dont get that level of intensity.
spunkyroostero@reddit
I don't get it either, although I'm slightly envious of men who are so passionate about it. They are unaware of their ability to walk into pretty much any pub in the country and be almost guaranteed to have a common interest with people who drink in there.
milliemolly9@reddit
Wouldn’t you get a better answer if you asked your partner/family members instead of asking random people on Reddit?
RoxxStar66@reddit
I'm gonna say no, if you don't get it, I'm not sure it can be explained.
pixel-powder@reddit
https://youtu.be/f27IqVo5-Oc?si=L62M9Q3yNLiRn-eT
me, watching football
quite_acceptable_man@reddit
I agree with everything you say, I don't understand any of it either. I'm just missing that part of the brain that makes me care about football.
I tried to get into it when I was younger just to fit in more than anything but I just don't get it, I find watching a football match excruciatingly boring.
At the end of the day it's just a group of men chasing a ball round a field, but some people base their entire lives and personalities around it, and get so emotional over it.
It's well documented that domestic violence increases when the England football team plays, whether they win or lose.
As a bloke, it means you're left out of conversations, and if meeting new people through work etc, the conversation always goes to football. When asked what team I support I have to say that I'm not into football, and the reply is always the same: "ah, a Rugby man eh?".
Nope, can't stand that either!
Roles are kind of reversed in our house. My wofe quite enjoys watching the big football matches. Last time there was some big England football match on, she watched it and I went and cleaned the kitchen, which to me is far more interesting
WodehouseWeatherwax@reddit
I believe this informational video will help
https://youtu.be/uWm-23RSjfs?si=VlmKcL7remilYUrL
Iknownothingamigo@reddit
Small penis syndrome.
Jazzlike-Basil1355@reddit
I am a man, 67. Never got football, since 1966. After the World Cup, it was a big so what from me. I lived back to back over a large garden, to Steve Perryman, THFC. Really nice bloke. Never spoke to him about football
Drewski811@reddit
It's a tribal, gang, family, collective. It's not exclusively male, but it is overwhelming more common in males than females. It is, in a lot of ways, similar to being part of the armed forces.
MartinUK_Mendip@reddit
Most football fans don't enjoy football - they enjoy their team's football. So, it's just about tribalism. Your partner has found a tribe to hang around with and they're more interesting to him than you. Sorry. There's little you can do about it except enjoy a completely separate hobby which has nothing to do with your partner, or find friends who are more interested in the things you're interested in. An affair with someone quite unsuitable can often help. It's how most couples manage to keep together, by ignorng their other's interests.
Sendhimoffdiabolical@reddit
I was looking for the Bobby Bacala quote
"It's my hobby, Janice. Why you gotta belittle it?"
Can't see it. Frankly, I'm depressed and ashamed.
Appropriate-Roof1422@reddit
If your partner's life revolves around football, I believe this is not the right partner for you. Just my opinion though.
OwineeniwO@reddit
Unlike a lot of sports the best footballers are the best of everyone not just the best of the ones who tried to play a sport, there's so much content to consume, it's unpredictable, long history, stats and facts to learn, there are teams to support in most communities, footballers have money and can have glamorous partners.
Kind-Elder1938@reddit
Oh how I sympathise. luckily I did not have a hubby for whom football was "more than life and death" as some eejit once said. May I suggest you find a nice quiet sport of your own to follow - and perhaps even to take up.
You may be interested to learn that when "futeball" began it consisted of the men from two complete villages bashing a ball through the countryside - loads of serious injuries and deaths. Successive monarchs sought to ban it because it aroused such passion and anger and fury. (sound familiar?)
Spreakib@reddit
It's something to do and a reason to go out on the piss. Also a strong sense of community.
TheAurelist@reddit
At the heart of it, it's fandom. I'm not a football person at all, but I am a fan (of other things), and the passion is part of it. Sure there are levels but that's besides the point here. If one person in the relationship can't accept the others passion (or their lack of it - the opposite is also true) and work with it/around it/away from it, then another question comes up - where does one draw their own line.
Darrowby_385@reddit
Don't give it headspace. You really don't need to.
thewearisomeMachine@reddit
Different people like different things
fickle_tartan@reddit
And even for people who do like the same thing, everyone is different in how much of their time they spend on it.
Whosentyounow@reddit
Only a non fan would ask this whilst the CL final is on 😂😂😂😂
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