Azerbaijan Demolishes Christian Places of Worship in Seized Enclave
Posted by polymute@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 62 comments
Posted by polymute@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 62 comments
altahor42@reddit
Demolishing a building of historical value is a complete disaster, but if we're talking about buildings constructed in the last 30 years, then there's no problem.
itcheyness@reddit
Oh man, you must've been outraged when Azerbaijan bulldozed a medieval Armenian Cemetery then, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_cemetery_in_Julfa
altahor42@reddit
Everything of historical value should be preserved. Other things can be demolished or can use for different purposes.
FartOfGenius@reddit
You think that existing religious venues can be forcibly repurposed without the community's consent as long as it's created recently enough?
altahor42@reddit
It would be a different matter if these churches had congregations, but as they are, they are merely buildings. It is the people who use a building who give it purpose and meaning. What meaning or purpose does an Armenian church have when there are no Armenians in the vicinity? (Except for historical ones, as I said, those should be preserved.)
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Turkey flag flair downplaying ethnic violence against Armenians and their culture? Say it ain’t so.
Pecuthegreat@reddit
At this point it's Turkish (Azeri Turks included) culture to try and erase Armenians.
sandpaperedanus777@reddit
I'd say there's still some problem in deliberately targeting the places of worship of people they don't like
El_Plantigrado@reddit
I'm all for destroying every mosque built by Turkey in Europe in the last 30 years then.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
lol.. Azerbaijan is an israel proxy regime which is pretty hilarious considering Jews are most closely related genetically to Armenians.
its almost like they are trying to start the holy wars or summin
sofixa11@reddit
What? Azerbaijan is an independent country ruled by a tinpot shitty dictator that replaced his father (dictator and previously head of the Azeri Communist party during the USSR era). They're mostly aligned with Turkey geopolitically, but play all sides and try to be a good reliable trading partner to the EU.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
propped up with israeli weapons and training to genocide Armenians
https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/17845o8/azerbaijans_military_procurement_and_training/
also
https://www.fdd.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-Karabakh-Gambit_IsraelRole-1.pdf
h3xx0n@reddit
Keep your made-up opinions to yourself. There is no genocide. Karabakh belonged to Azerbaijan internationally, and they simply took back their own territory. Stop pulling history out of your ass.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
israel belonged to Palestinians.. we should help them take it back to be consistent
h3xx0n@reddit
It fits me but things just don't work that way.
sofixa11@reddit
Having a close military procurement doesn't make a country a proxy....
Or is the UK a proxy of the US (the recent refusal to allow the use of UK bases for strikes on Iran clearly say no). India of Russia or France? Obviously not. And on and on.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
apparently Lebanon, Yemen and Palestine are proxys of Iran but when israel props up the Azerbaijanis to genocide Armenia its just a coincidence
sofixa11@reddit
Nobody says that. The claim is that the organisations (Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas) directly funded by, entirely armed by, and with extremely close military cooperation with, Iran, are Iranian proxies. Iran negotiates on their behalf too, so that just confirms it.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
israel supplies 70% of Azerbaijan weapons purchases
Azerbaijan supplies 40% of israeli oil
https://armenianweekly.com/2023/02/06/israeli-tv-station-airs-propaganda-on-azerbaijan-israel-military-relations/
and
https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/1k3mpen/whats_up_with_all_the_proisraeli_propaganda_in/
sofixa11@reddit
And does Israel lead negotiations on behalf of Azerbaijan on when the Azeris fight or not.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
sorry is that the metric?
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-848067
https://www.arfd.am/eng/news/8145/
https://www.wgi.world/israeli-bases-in-azerbaijan-zionist-strategies-from-constantinople-to-baku-armenians-as-collateral-damage/
sofixa11@reddit
Can you read?
WestcoastAlex@reddit
quite well. you are making a very specific demand as your metric for proxy
sofixa11@reddit
And neither of the articles you linked are even remotely related.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
thats because demanding ne very specific metric is your way of defining proxy while ignoring all the other connections
sofixa11@reddit
Yes, because connections doesn't mean proxy. Glad you're learning words.
K31KT3@reddit
Their drones are Turk, they are fighting the country the Turks genocided half a century before Israel was founded
The conflict is obviously a post-Soviet border squabble, not unlike ones in Ossetia or Abkhazia but with different players
Tards blame Jews
h3xx0n@reddit
Yet still so-called "genocide" hasn't proven in international courts.
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
The simple answer is tinfoil, lots of it, in the shape of a hat.
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
That depends. No jew has equal ties to anything. Their population varies from 1/3 to 2/3 middle eastern decent when compared to iron age genetics (best study we have so far). Other studies have used bronze age dna, but the brons age is several thousand years before the group of jews who eneded up in europe and back in israel. It was a flawed study but its often cited because its confirmation bias for israelis since it claims a much stronger ties to the middle east.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
the middle east is a huge place. Genetics have confirmed the biblical account of Abraham and his family being from north Mesopotamia clustering around Armenia\Georgia
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
That is untrue, because we cant even confirm an abraham existed. Likely even a complete myth. Like with the mass exodus of hebrews from egypt to the east never happened. Like why in the hell would hebrews escape from egyptian territories to just go live on other egyptian territory at the time... Like who the fuck writes these stories. Fucking lotr is better written.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
read my comment again. its not untrue at all
there is no actual proof of the 'exodus' story ..
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
Just trust me bro, what i am saying that contradicts multiple fields of studies is totally true bro...
My claims that if i look up dont hold true are actually true, just read my comment again its real.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23468648/
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
And the name abraham is used not one time. Thanks for litteraly proving your own point wrong holy shit.
My dude, the time ranges they are reffering to are littersly not even when abraham would have lived in. They talk about 2 thousands years ago how genetics havent changed much since the late iron age. The next time they talk about a time range talks about up to tens of thousands of years before abraham would have exited if he did.
Did you even read what you posted or when abraham would have lived?
The study also fails mention the source of the genetics they were using. If you analise with bronze age dna to make a comparisson to today, you will have flawed results aince gense can reapear over time and scew the data.
Like the same gene can be developed independantly. For example homo sapient and neandertal have seperately developed the red hair gene for the same reason (a sunless european continent)
WestcoastAlex@reddit
you have no idea what you are talking about
have a nice day
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
Said the person who cited a study that had nothing to do with their claim?
WestcoastAlex@reddit
that is what i wrote and it confirms it genetically .. the figures are clear enough for anyone to follow
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
Point out where it convludeded abraham anything as the study doesent even use the name abraham. It specifically speaks of the levant people whoch is a massive group of all the near east peoples close to europe. The entire study ignored the time periode abraham lived it. It talks about the late iron age and fucking stone age genetics. Nothing about the bronze age abraham would lived in.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
it shows Jews came from north mesopotamia which confirms the story of abraham and his family being from mesopotamia. it doesnt need to name abraham, you are just grasping at straws
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
No, it concludes that the origin of their genetics varies significantly but hasent changed sicne the late bronze age. Before that the last time it happened thousands of years and even tens of thousands of years before so. It doesent even touch the time periode or the person you are talking about.
It doesent even talk about mesopotamia or north mesopotamia. The places mentioned as sources of their genetics is specifically Africa, Levant and Arabic peninsula which is more than just messopotamia or north messopotamia.
Your claims are not supported by the study you cited. Go fucking read it because it clear you wither havent or litteraly can not understand it. I am not the only one who pointed out your sources has no relavence to your claims.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
ive read it. you are pointing at the broad analysis and ignoring the specific lineagaes as displayes quite clearly in figures..
go to Fig3 and find Ashkenazi/Sephardic and follow the line with your finger. that should be simple enough for you
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23468648/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-4-uid-3
See how all the colours are not very concentrated in the arabic peninsula?
WestcoastAlex@reddit
thats what i wrote. Mesopotamia is west asia
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
Yes, because the levant people are a broad people, this was a broad study...
The study says there are 2 main groups, one of european and arabic peninsula and the other of african and newr east. Meaning not one groupe is attache dto a single point of origin. Holy shit the group you are reffering to also have lots of european dna.
But to accept your conclusion you litteraly throw 3/4 of the findings away and ignore that the conclusions made about population changes dont even touch the periode you refer to at all. The study cited itself dates that are irrelavent to abraham.
It even claims the origins of the levant peoples are not of a singular point like abraham but of asian, african and european ties. It doesent even talk about jews specifically but all of the near east origins.
Your making conclusion the study never made and touched as a subject.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
Mesopotamia is western asia
gerbal100@reddit
That study doesn't make any of the same claims you made
WestcoastAlex@reddit
what i wrote:
the figures are easy to read which is why i posted that one to a non scientific audience .. due to the Jewish practice of intermarrying the genetic lineage of Jews (ashkenazi and sephardic) is a straight line back to Armenia/Georgia region
gerbal100@reddit
You are inferring that your suppositions are true based on your interpretation of a figure in that paper, not the actual stated findings of the paper.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
the figures are the findings
gerbal100@reddit
Please, do
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
Ah yes lets ask question to the dude talking about a man who existed in a time periode ignored by the study they brought up to deffend their claim of him.
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
Translation: this is cope now that i realised i fucked up not even resding the irrelavent study to my claim as a red hearing because i cant devate or have construtive conversation.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
no. you are free to disprove it.
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
Well thats impossible to prove a negative... Like are you really this dim of a light bulb?
Prove to me i am not holding an orange. You just cant. Same way no scientific study could ever conclude a god cant exist. Try toeasure non existance. You cant.
But you can conclude something likely did not happen based on the massive absance of evidence.
You brough up orrelavent data that did not speak about your claim that genetics have confirmed anything about abraham. That would also require us to have direct access to abrahams body. You dont even have that.
You pulled a claim out of your ass, could not back it up. Brought a study as a red herring distracting from the fact you cant back up your claim dirrectly. Only use flawed arguementation to pull conclusion from studied that were never made by the people running it. Your using bad data to pull a conclusion that confirms your bias yet is not even relavent to your claim about abraham.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
dude.. Jews are literally decendents of Abraham and his family. weather the person as called Abraham or Arnold is immaterial ..
"require us to have direct access to abrahams body" shows you really dont understand any of this .. delete your comments to avoid embarassment
Monsterous_Pigeon@reddit
You keep claiming that, your study doesent support it. Like i claimed earlier. No one can conclude anything about abraham. We have such a lack of evidence from him existing and the time periode he comes from was litterly one of massive myth making.
How can you even know abrahams genetics if you dont even have the source of any of it. You dont have anything that is attached to abraham to compare to.
You should take your own advice and stop talking. You pull conclusions that dont even exist in your sourced material.
You litteraly demonstrated here today you pull conclusions out of your ass.
K31KT3@reddit
lol…Armenians and Azeris don’t need the Jews to start hating each other give them some respect
WestcoastAlex@reddit
70% of military hardware from israel and the training to use them
polymute@reddit (OP)
The source is legitimate, checked it directly. But if anyone wants a different ideological lens: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/photos-reveal-azerbaijan-demolishing-christian-churches-nagorno-karabakh
I've just read of this on a major Hungarian newsite in a feature and the article I posted is the only one I could find that was posted in the last 14 days, so.
The systematic destruction of centuries old Christian sites in Nagorno-Karabakh however is an ongoing concern ever since the forced etnic displacement of the entire population of a hundred thousand Armenians of the area in 2023 by Azerbaijan as the Russian peacekeaping mission stood by. UN Karabakh mission told ‘sudden’ exodus means as few as 50 ethnic Armenians may remain
Images show systematic erasure of Armenian cultural heritage in Nagorno-Karabakh after Azerbaijani takeover - 2024
Separately and concurrently, in the Azeri exclave of Nakhchivan high-resolution satellite imagery document the complete destruction of again centuries old Armenian cultural heritage. https://anthropology.cornell.edu/news/report-shows-near-total-erasure-armenian-heritage-sites
Map of the area with the locations labeled. https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/azerbaijan-armenia-map-karabakh-border-600w-2385539355.jpg
Pecuthegreat@reddit
Well, at least someone still remembers the genocide they did in 2023. And still keeping an eye on them.