My Journey Bypassing the HIMS Program and Receiving a First Class Medical
Posted by Commercial_Concept73@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 19 comments
My DUI was back in 2012 and I blew a .23. Fast forward 13 years, with no knowledge of any of the steps to obtain a medical, I scheduled an appointment with a regular AME, whose receptionist assured me a DUI won’t matter if it was more than 10 years ago. Welp, the doc told me it does matter, and deferred me to the FAA. 2 months later, I received a letter requesting more info and specifics about the arrest. Everything was expunged, so it was a pain trying to get ahold of the paperwork.
I mailed them the case files along with a personal statement reiterating that it was over a decade ago and how I’m a changed man, etc, etc. The letters back and forth went on for about a year, each time requesting more documents: FBI background checks, more info regarding the case, a 10 year and full driving record.
In the meantime, I did some research on the HIMS program to see what I was getting myself into. I found a local HIMS AME and the quote his receptionist gave me was obscene. I read horror stories about people jumping through FAA hoops and still waiting on their medical years later. All of this while having a much lower BAC. It was not looking good.
I found a well respected doctor out of Chicago (not close to me, I’m in Pittsburgh) and emailed him for some more info. He basically told me that my BAC is considered dependency by the FAA and the HIMS program is mandatory. 2 years of testing ($3k), weekly counselor meetings ($180 each), a cog screen ($1.2k), and a HIMS psych evaluation ($3.5k - $4k), and AA meetings sprinkled throughout. Oh, and don’t forget the random alcohol tests ($800/year). My options were all of that, or go to a “classy” rehab for 4 weeks and attend 90 AA meetings in 90 days, a brain scan by a neuropsychologist, plus appointments with a psychiatrist and a HIMS AME. He ended the conversation with “there are no outs on this one”. I’ll never forget that comment.
I believe it was the 3rd letter and 9 months later, the FAA was requesting more information on the case. At this point, I was pretty stern in my response reiterating that the information they were receiving was literally all that exists. I was at the point of giving up because there was no way I was attending rehab or getting brain scans and spending thousands proving I’m not alcohol dependent for an isolated instance that occurred over a decade ago. I ultimately mailed back my amended personal statement, along with a good old ChatGPT letter of recommendation from my Lieutenant (firefighter), and a statement from a local drug and alcohol counselor (covered by insurance) stating that I’m not an alcoholic and how I’m a pillar of the community, etc., etc.
Fast forward 3 months, I received yet another letter from the FAA. I was expecting another request for more information. But behold, my first class medical was enclosed with a letter saying don’t fuck up again and you’re good to go.
Mrs_Fagina@reddit
Dang a .23?!
You weren’t under the influence. To quote Mr Lahey, you were the liquor
davidswelt@reddit
Since you are in Pgh, I would recommend Dr. Lambrou. See https://www.avmedicine.com/.
Commercial_Concept73@reddit (OP)
they took about 6 weeks to get back to me and gave me an outrageous price just to write the letter for me
davidswelt@reddit
It's been more than 10 years, but that was not my experience back then. Quite the opposite.
TheGacAttack@reddit
This reminds me of the parole hearing for Red in the Shawshank Redemption.
Congrats!! Welcome aboard!!!
Commercial_Concept73@reddit (OP)
should’ve added that to my personal statement.. ‘go on and stamp your form and stop wasting my time because i don’t give a shit’ 🤣
GenerationSelfie2@reddit
Was this HIMS AME located in bolingbrook and are his initials BC? If so I reached out to him in January and received a profoundly negative response, working with a much better HIMS AME in Salt Lake City instead.
suj900@reddit
Yea BC in my opinion is a mess. He says things that are not true and if you ask questions he immediately gets the wrong idea and starts saying crap like you’re not ready. I’ve questioned him on a forum about HIMS drug/alcohol and he told me I had no idea what I was talking about despite actually going thru hims and stating exactly how it was with the feds in my case and the certain things I was doing and had to do. I’ve heard he’s great when it comes to getting an SÍ if you were on psych meds for anxiety/depression though.
Commercial_Concept73@reddit (OP)
after he said I had to attend a “classy” rehab I was out on him..
Commercial_Concept73@reddit (OP)
correct on the initials. kind of a dick. made it seem like i was doomed
rotardy@reddit
Yeah. That guy is full of himself and assumes a lot about people. I talked to him as well. Quickly went somewhere else. It’s a shame though he is very knowledgeable. I just don’t think his expertise overcomes how much of an asshole he is.
No-Brilliant9659@reddit
Congratulations. How long from start to finish? This is great information for those in a similar situation of one occurrence greater than 10 years ago
Commercial_Concept73@reddit (OP)
about 13 months so the first class privileges were expired by the time i received it 🤣
NatureBig5862@reddit
Congratulations, mine was 25 years prior and had to do the HIMS deal.
Akepur@reddit
Did you try Center for Aviation Medicine?
randylush@reddit
Dang congrats!! That is remarkable and extremely admirable.
All of those AMEs telling you that you needed thousands upon thousands of dollars in bullshit, and you said nah, fuck that, I’m taking on the FAA myself.
rotardy@reddit
Welcome to the flight deck.
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
My DUI was back in 2012 and I blew a .23. Fast forward 13 years, with no knowledge of any of the steps to obtain a medical, I scheduled an appointment with a regular AME, whose receptionist assured me a DUI won’t matter if it was more than 10 years ago. Welp, the doc told me it does matter, and deferred me to the FAA. 2 months later, I received a letter requesting more info and specifics about the arrest. Everything was expunged, so it was a pain trying to get ahold of the paperwork.
I mailed them the case files along with a personal statement reiterating that it was over a decade ago and how I’m a changed man, etc, etc. The letters back and forth went on for about a year, each time requesting more documents: FBI background checks, more info regarding the case, a 10 year and full driving record.
In the meantime, I did some research on the HIMS program to see what I was getting myself into. I found a local HIMS AME and the quote his receptionist gave me was obscene. I read horror stories about people jumping through FAA hoops and still waiting on their medical years later. All of this while having a much lower BAC. It was not looking good.
I found a well respected doctor out of Chicago (not close to me, I’m in Pittsburgh) and emailed him for some more info. He basically told me that my BAC is considered dependency by the FAA and the HIMS program is mandatory. 2 years of testing ($3k), weekly counselor meetings ($180 each), a cog screen ($1.2k), and a HIMS psych evaluation ($3.5k - $4k), and AA meetings sprinkled throughout. Oh, and don’t forget the random alcohol tests ($800/year). My options were all of that, or go to a “classy” rehab for 4 weeks and attend 90 AA meetings in 90 days, a brain scan by a neuropsychologist, plus appointments with a psychiatrist and a HIMS AME. He ended the conversation with “there are no outs on this one”. I’ll never forget that comment.
I believe it was the 3rd letter and 9 months later, the FAA was requesting more information on the case. At this point, I was pretty stern in my response reiterating that the information they were receiving was literally all that exists. I was at the point of giving up because there was no way I was attending rehab or getting brain scans and spending thousands proving I’m not alcohol dependent for an isolated instance that occurred over a decade ago. I ultimately mailed back my amended personal statement, along with a good old ChatGPT letter of recommendation from my Lieutenant (firefighter), and a statement from a local drug and alcohol counselor (covered by insurance) stating that I’m not an alcoholic and how I’m a pillar of the community, etc., etc.
Fast forward 3 months, I received yet another letter from the FAA. I was expecting another request for more information. But behold, my first class medical was enclosed with a letter saying don’t fuck up again and you’re good to go.
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