Upgrade to 9800X3D now or wait till 2027 for possible AM6?

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Accomplished_Emu_658@reddit

I think you got zen 6 confused with am6 and this is messing up people. Zen 6 may be 2027. Am6 is likely not for a while.

Zen6 is supposed to be am5. So bios update will be necessary but motherboard should be compatible. Unless something wildly changes.

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PathfinderLaw@reddit (OP)

I see, i know nothing of Zen 6, but i got this assumption i had off "AM5 will be supported until 2027" that's what got me thinking

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Borigh@reddit

Zen 5 is the current CPU generation. Zen 6 is coming out in probably 2027. Both will be on AM5.

AM6 will be in like 2030, with Zen 8.

The fact that Zen 6 is coming out soon is a potential reason to get something like a Zen 4 chip on the cheap to hold you over until a Zen 6 knocks down Zen 5 prices or is worth buying. But all of that is on the AM5 platform, which you can build on confidently, now.

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Cute_Customer420@reddit

there are already leaks and rumors about AM6. its coming out much sooner than 2030, more like 2028 or 2027 even

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Borigh@reddit

No there are not. See: the latest leaks

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Ouaouaron@reddit

AMD's word is that AM5 will be supported until at least 2027. What they're implying but not technically promising is that we will get at least one more generation of CPU on AM5, but it's entirely possible we get two or three more generations.

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Accomplished_Emu_658@reddit

No. Am5 will likely continue for at least a few more years. We don’t know after what they are calling zen6 which is known to be most likely am5 still what will happen.

I heard rumors previously of another socket in works for the following generation of chips but nothing confirmed.

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Desperate_Put_4568@reddit

If I had to guess AM6 is 2-3 years away. Zen 6 and reportedly 7 are coming to AM5. If so, AM5 might be take the longevity crown over AM4.

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zazarak@reddit

I have 2 gaming PCs running a 9800X3D. One is paired with a 5080 and the other a 5070ti. I work them pretty hard and neither CPU is working very hard when gaming. I feel there won't be need to upgrade the processor in either machine for many years.

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dabocx@reddit

Zen 7 might be AM5 which means am6 probably won’t be till 29 or something.

Zen 6 will probably be at ces next January

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TheDarkrayne@reddit

Zen 7 is officially confirmed to be AM5 and is expected in late 2028 at the earliest.

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Cute_Customer420@reddit

there is no actual source for this

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Live-Juggernaut-221@reddit

MLIDs sources are pretty reliable. Yes no one on record. But all signs point to this being true.

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afsully@reddit

What are you currently running? AM6 is probably unlikely to be launched in 2027, if AM4 is any indicator of how long AM5 will be the current gen.

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Live-Juggernaut-221@reddit

Am6 is 2029/2030.

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Salviati_Returns@reddit

Yeah I have my doubts that there is even a demand for a new socket given the pain that many pc component companies are currently experiencing with the drop in demand.

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Protoclown98@reddit

New sockets will depend on DDR6 ram, which is probably delayed given the state of things now.

People think Zen 6/7 are gonna be on AM5.

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Salviati_Returns@reddit

Which makes sense. But I wonder if there is even a demand for Zen 6/7 in the current environment.

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PathfinderLaw@reddit (OP)

I'm currently running i9-12900K, 3080
Mostly gaming in 4k, getting around 80fps high+RT on Forza and 50-70fps on Helldivers Ulttra Quality.
Hoping that my new intended build (9800X3D and 5080) would boost the numbers up

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afsully@reddit

I'd just wait honestly. You're looking at around $900-1000 USD to go to a 9800X3D unless you're running DDR5 with your 12900 then make that $600.

5080s are $1200 minimum currently, so you're ~$2000 in the hole for maybe 30-40 fps increase at 4k?

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PathfinderLaw@reddit (OP)

Hey i made a major mistake, its not a 12900K, but a 12900F, does your opinion still stay the same? (i've always gotten a K series before this so i forgot i went with F this last round)

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Were-Cletus@reddit

To each there own. I ran a 2014 build into the ground for 20 years before I upgraded. My gtx 970 was still hitting 30+ frames on modern titles in 2024.

There is certainly better hardware available today for you, but whyyyy

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Chinesedave@reddit

The math ain’t mathing

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TwistedAdonis@reddit

So you upgraded in 2034? You have a Delorean?

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Videnskabsmanden@reddit

Hey i made a major mistake Damn, that might be the worst mistake I've ever seen

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TheDarkrayne@reddit

Same thing, the K just means it can be overclocked if you want to and has integrated graphics.

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x_lauzon_x@reddit

Thanks for putting this into perspective for the guy. I see posts like these all the time, where OP has a gaming computer better than 90% of people and they want to know if it’s worth spending the cost of an entire new PC for a relatively minor performance boost. I can’t understand why people can’t be happy with what they have, save the money and upgrade when it’s actually worth while. It’s my fault for prowling this sub even tho I haven’t built a PC in like 3 years.

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KFC_Junior@reddit

just upgrade your gpu the 12900k is still fine for 4k

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/20.html

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PathfinderLaw@reddit (OP)

Hey i made a major mistake, its not a 12900K, but a 12900F, does your opinion still stay the same? (i've always gotten a K series before this so i forgot i went with F this last round)

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bdt13334@reddit

Just chiming in as someone in a very similar boat to you OP. I have a 12700k, 32GB DDR4, and this past December upgraded my 1080ti (RIP) to a 5070ti. That was a noticeable increase in performance on my AW3423DWF (3440x1440 @ 165hz). I was very close to jumping to the 9800X3D around that time as well, but since RAM prices went to the moon, I'm likely just holding off for the foreseeable future. This current setup runs everything I need it to honestly. But I can 100% relate to wanting to "finally" get see what AM5 and its hype was all about, as I have always had Intel CPUs back to the 3570k. Maybe if RAM prices wouldn't have turned the CPU/Mobo/RAM upgrade into a damn $1000+ I would've justified it as well, but IMO, unless you're playing some game that is CPU bound to where the CPU upgrade would lead to noticeable FPS improvements (usually not a thing at 4k from what I've seen), I'd just hold off.

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KFC_Junior@reddit

12900f is a 12900 with no igpu in which the only difference to the 12900k is 0.1ghz lower boost and no OC capability. They should be almost identical in games

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HempInvader@reddit

12900KF = 12900F if you don’t overclock.

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Affectionate-Buy8437@reddit

If you are playing on 4k, the CPU is not your bottleneck. The 5080 alone will give you the boost

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VersaceUpholstery@reddit

Just get the new GPU and see if it’s maxing out at 4k

If it is, not much a better cpu will do for you. 12900k is still good enough for most every GPU at 4k.

Upcoming Zen 6 and Zen 7 will work on AM5 motherboards. Zen 7 is not expected till late 2028, and that’s probably around the time (or shortly after) that AM6 will release

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Targetm12@reddit

You don't really need to do a full system upgrade just buy the new GPU the 12900k is fine.

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madskee@reddit

il go 270k plus for 4k gaming

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Type_94@reddit

Cries in 9900k and 3080ti

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The_soulprophet@reddit

That’s a solid PC. Everyone who got on the 9900k and 3080 series did very well for themselves. 2500k to 9900k was a fantastic leap. 9900k to AM5 x3D was a bit meh at 1440p and above.

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ConsistencyWelder@reddit

I don't think AM6 will be out this soon. Zen 6 will be for AM5, and the rumors are saying they're also planning for Zen 7 to be for AM5.

Get the 9800X3D now.

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formosan1986@reddit

I have a 13700k myself, I am waiting

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AnApexBread@reddit

AMD has states they'll be supporting AM5 until at least 2030 but probably longer based everything going on in the market

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Only1CanSurvive@reddit

If you want an upgrade, go with GPU only. No direct need right now though. I upgraded from a similar build back before RAM was crazy. I probably paid half the price they asking now for my upgrade. Your CPU is still good so stick with it until prices come back down to earth for an upgrade.

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Tessellate08@reddit

I recently upgraded from a 5900X & 3080 to a 9850X3D & 5080, and do not regret it for a second. With the state of the world and the how insane pc part prices have become, I took my chances and built when I could. I don’t see prices ever bouncing back and my new rig is an absolute beast.

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No_Device_6605@reddit

Keep the 12900K , upgrade GPU to 5080 or 5070 TI.

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No_Device_6605@reddit

Bruh why do you have to upgrade from an i9 12th gen ?? It's literally just 3-4 years old. Unless you are getting a 5080 , you can forget about upgrading , even then , an upgrade from a 12900 is just stupid right now. Just wait for AM6 even if it's 2028.

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AMLRoss@reddit

If AM4 is still being supported I don't think AM5 is suddenly going to loose support when AM6 comes out. CPUs don't need replacing that often. Is there a big (gaming) difference between X3D and non X3D? Definitely. But once you have one there's not a huge difference between, say, the 7800X3D and 9800X3D.

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Leeoliao@reddit

Honestly, you could be waiting on "what ifs" forever. The 9800X3D is already a beast and will easily last you through AM5's end-of-life, so just enjoy it now rather than chasing an unknown socket.

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Hug-e-bear1111@reddit

If ot were me, I'd wait. Your current rig is pretty up there anyway, so if your looking for a noticeable jump, and value for your dollar, I'd wait for the next gen. That's my personal input

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Bearslovecheese@reddit

That's a lot of money for minimal improvement. Just upgrade your 3080 to a 5080 and run this system for another couple of years.

Fwiw I am just getting ready to replace my 5600x based system with a 9600x. If my motherboard wasn't failing I would have rode it out on this platform for another two years. The gains vs the sheer cost of upgrading (looking at you ddr5) just aren't worth it.

Unfortunately my motherboard and PSU are dying and I'll be doing a new build today. I know I could just do those two parts BUT if I'm doing open heart surgery I'm going all the way.

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Puiucs@reddit

AM6 is 2029-2030

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PowerfulAgent9939@reddit

AM6 will not launch until 2028/29 and likely will need to mature (motherboard support, drivers, fear of silicon degradation leading to failures, etc)

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TheGuyInDarkCorner@reddit

You dont need better cpu for 5080. Atleast for gaming at 1440p or 4K.

In this current economy i recommend you to save some money and only change new gpu to your current rig

My 5900x is doing just okay with 9070xt on 1440p. (I have no plans to swap to Am5 for what would be maybe 5-10fps increase

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Z-Dante@reddit

i9 12900F? You're good for the next 5 years. Focus on upgrading your GPU which is the bigger bottleneck here.

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AbedSalam1988@reddit

ur CPU is still plenty good.

definitely upgrade ur gfx to rtx5080 if u can shell the money

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PathfinderLaw@reddit (OP)

Thanks everyone for your inputs!

I'm gonna just upgrade my GPU first as the main census is that my CPU is still good to go. Thanks everyone!

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Jordan_Jackson@reddit

With the hardware you are using, I would wait and see if prices on hardware comes down. What you have now is not bad. Maybe look at GPU’s but even a 3080 is still plenty powerful for most scenarios.

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digitalfrost@reddit

Whenever a new platform comes out, it is finicky and the memory is expensive and will be superseded by better modules that arrive later.

I would avoid buying the first generation of any new socket if you can, so my vote goes to buying AM5 now.

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No_Dragonfruit12345@reddit

In which Resolution so you wanna Game? 4k? Then you dont need this CPU.

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SatisfactionKlutzy18@reddit

Truth be told your 12900k is more than enough for a 5080 and is still an outstanding cpu.

But if your going for the latest and greatest, just nab a 9850x3D and then upgrade later when you do your next gpu upgrade to the best last gen AM5 cpu for gaming for relatively cheap.

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sktlastxuan@reddit

Zen6(2027) and Zen7(2028) will be on AM5,

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PigSlam@reddit

i read that current AM5 architectures will be supported up till 2027.

What do you think will happen to AM5 in 2027?

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HiCZoK@reddit

Hey 9850x3d now

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prank_mark@reddit

The 9800X3D will likely not do much for you given you already have a 12900F and a 3080 and are playing at 4K.

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MultiMarcus@reddit

Honestly, the 12 900 is good enough. Have you considered just doing the GPU upgrade? For next generation we are getting much more interesting competition from Intel, so maybe there’s actually a reason to wait. The 9800x3d is likely to be a great chip for years to come but if you target higher resolutions which I assume you might be doing with a 5080 the amount of time you’re going to be CPU limited is quite low compared to how often you will be GPU Limited.

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groktar@reddit

Imo the whole dead end platform thing is silly, the motherboard is probably the cheapest part of your build, especially with the current ram/storage prices.

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Borigh@reddit

Yeah, but being able to spend another $100 on a CPU 'cause you don't need a new MBD can get you a tier up in CPU compared to your previous build, which means you can keep it a little longer, which means a little more money for your next GPU upgrade.

Nowadays, price/performance building is all about getting the best GPU you can and the cheapest stuff that won't limit it around it. So every time you find a way to save a hundred bucks on a MBD or whatever, you can think of it as a quicker/better GPU upgrade.

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groktar@reddit

But then you're waiting another year for your upgrade.

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TheDarkrayne@reddit

There's probably at least 4 years of AM5 left with Zen 6 and 7. Both are officially confirmed for AM5. You shouldn't move to AM6 when it launches either unless you're an enthusiast, give it a year or two to work out the kinks first.

In other words, get AM5 now with confidence because you'll be waiting 4-6 years for AM6.

If you actually mean Zen 6 when you're saying AM6 then waiting could be worth it if your current hardware isn't holding you back in the meantime.

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PathfinderLaw@reddit (OP)

FYI for all, here's my expected parts list, coming in at around 6.3k singapore dollars or almost 5k USD

ASUS ROG STRIX B850-F GAMING WIFI

AMD 9800X3D

TRYX ARGB Panorama 360mm - Black AIC

ASUS ROG-ASTRAL-RTX5080-O16G-GAMING

LEXAR NM790 2TB NVME Gen4 (7400R/6500W)

KingBank RGB Soarblade DDR5 32 GB 6400 MHz- BIack

Thermalright SP 1000W 80+ Platinum Modular (ATX3.1+Gen5.1) - Black

CORSAIR AIR 5400 RS-R ARGB Tempered Glass Mid-Tower, Black

Lian Li UNI FAN SL-INF WIRELESS 120 Black 3 Pack

Lian LI UNI FAN SL-INF WIRELESS 120 Black 3 Pack with controller rev

LIAN LI STRIMMER WIRELESS 24-PIN with Controller

LIAN LI STRIMMER WIRELESS 16-12 (12VHVWR

ASUS XG-C100C V3 10-GIGABIT PCI-E NET

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TheDarkrayne@reddit

There's probably at least 4 years of AM5 left with Zen 6 and 7. Both are officially confirmed for AM5. You shouldn't move to AM6 when it launches either unless you're an enthusiast, give it a year or two to work out the kinks first.

In other words, get AM5 now with confidence because you'll be waiting 4-6 years for AM6.

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RiXaO@reddit

Today better than tomorrow.

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theRealtechnofuzz@reddit

id wait for zen 6 ryzen 7 gonna be 12 cores

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Neither_Berry_100@reddit

That many cores is useless. Can't use them anyways. I have 8 cores and can't use them.

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theRealtechnofuzz@reddit

its the L3 cache, and i assure you that there are modern games that will use 8 cores ore more. Although most games use only 8 cores. UE5 games will perform significantly better on x99 than something like a 4790k

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DegTrader@reddit

If you wait for the 'perfect' time to build, you'll be playing Minesweeper on a supercomputer in 2030 while everyone else is already gaming.

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New-Signal-3940@reddit

If you are gaming mostly in 4k. You should upgrade the GPU( 5070ti +) if you can. Upgrading your CPU is useless and a waste of money. Your current CPU is more than suffcient. Don't follow the hype of X3D chips, they are good only at low res high fps settings. At 4k or even 1440p high its GPU focused.

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Celcius_87@reddit

The big question - what do you have now?

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PathfinderLaw@reddit (OP)

I'm currently running i9-12900K, 3080

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The answer depends on what you have right now and if you can wait, we have no idea how the future will look and when the prices will drop.

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PathfinderLaw@reddit (OP)

i see, so its not really a "only up till" 2027 but at least until 2027, got it, thanks!