For those that do not want to carry with a round in the chamber. Why not use a gun with a manual safety?
Posted by HumanAntagonist@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 137 comments
I never really liked carrying with one in the chamber. Mostly because as gun owners, we're more likely to negligently discharge than ever intentionally discharge a firearm. That is until one day( 2 weeks ago lol) I was practicing my draw on my shield plus and failed to rack the slide.
I dont personally think the time it takes to rack a slide really matters. In every self defense situation I've seen you either had enough time to rack the slide or not even enough time to draw at all. Anyways, the fact that I can fail to rack the slide or potentially induce a malfunction in a high stress situation is what got me to always want to carry with one in the chamber. So I went and traded in my shield plus for a similar 9mm with a safety.
Honestly guys, a manual safety that you can operate with one hand is the way to go. Almost every ND I've seen on a video or read about in a post would have been prevented if the gun has one. Sure, if you just follow the 4 rules of gun ownership, you should theoretically not have any issues, but I've seen wild stuff. and most people that ND know and follow those rules. It only takes one slip up, and it might not even be your fault. Ive seen shit like pants malfunctions, one guy just bending over on a video and his gun randomly discharges into his leg, cops disarming someone and NDing them in the process, etc. All of these would have been prevented with a manual safety.
Now I'm not saying you should 100% rely on a safety. Mechanical safeties can fail, but so can a holster. And if you're carrying live with just a kydex holster, youre essentially relying on the holster in place of a safety. All you have to do is practice working the safety in your draw. Its literally the same draw time with or without the safety for me.
I do think if you would like to carry with one in the chamber but want that extra layer, a manual safety that you can operate with one hand is the perfect thing for you. TED talk over.
High_Af_Osrs@reddit
None of my current pistols even have a manual safety. But I think if you're going to carry a gun, having it unloaded is dumb.
momalle1@reddit
You can be loaded without one in the chamber.
COMplex_@reddit
That is considered “unloaded” in fact.
momalle1@reddit
According to who? You're saying that a full magazine attached to a firearm isn't loaded?
COMplex_@reddit
It’s not really loaded if it cannot fire
momalle1@reddit
That's primed.
ValiantBear@reddit
I don't think this is accurate. I'm not a math major, but the amount of time available in an engagement has to follow a normal distribution, ie a bell curve. I agree that you have to be situationally aware in order to ensure you have the most time available, but otherwise I think anything you can do to shorten the time between deciding to draw and firing is advantageous. Of course the nature of a bell curve means it won't always be enough, and you won't always need to do anything special at all to get a shot off in time. But, quicker is still going to improve your odds no matter what. Otherwise even practicing your draw for time wouldn't be valuable at all ever.
Stock_Block2130@reddit
Manual safety or long trigger for me. My SR9C has a soft short trigger which is great, but I would never carry it without the safety on.
PuzzleheadedRegion87@reddit
Look, do what’s comfortable for you but carrying with an external safety is right up there with carrying with an unloaded chamber.
Sure, if you train and practice the external safety religiously it becomes a non issue but be honest, how many of you are actually practicing that? Just like chambering a round off the draw? Probably not as many of you as should be.
Get a shot timer, go to the range, put a gun and a loaded mag on the table and practice picking it up, loading that mag and racking a round into the chamber and firing and watch how quickly just that little beep throws your brain and any game plan you have off. It’s even worse in a situation where your body is dumping adrenaline into your bloodstream in heavy doses.
I’m not saying you can’t practice through those fumbles, but realistically are you?!
Southern-Stay704@reddit
This is what I despise most about these manual safety vs no-manual safety discussions. It's the willful disparagement of the other camp of users who have the opposite opinion.
What you don't understand is that I have used guns with manual safeties from the beginning of time. I grew up with them, hunted with them, target practiced with them. Manual safeties do NOT slow me down, do NOT cause any additional thought process, do NOT add an "extra step" to anything for me. Putting the safety into the "fire" position is inherent in my action to fire the weapon. When you bring food to your mouth that's on a fork, you don't think about the step of opening your mouth -- your body just does it automatically. That's what my body does when I bring the weapon up to fire, it turns the safety off during my sight picture automatically, without any thought at all.
Stop it with the implications that people who choose a manual safety must be inherently less aware of safe firearm handling practices, or must be slower to shoot, or must be afraid of their gun. None of that is true.
If you don't want a manual safety on your gun, then don't get one, and that is 100% valid. Extend the same courtesy to the other thought camp.
LunchboxKovacs@reddit
I've literally done that and racking on the draw, for me, is easier, quicker, and the result is a smooth transition to a ready position without having to adjust my dominant hand in the grio as much. Bottom line is that in a high stress situation, I'm more efficient when I depend on two hands as opposed to dexterity multi-tasking with one hand. To each their own though.
PuzzleheadedRegion87@reddit
Whatever works for you man, if it works it works like I said, practice is the biggest point though.
LunchboxKovacs@reddit
Agreed. Practice is everything. To each their own with technique
TryHard-Rune@reddit
I am, personally; I have a really cheap firearm, but the safety is phenomenal. It’s smooth, it’s in the way of my thumb when I draw, so for me it’s not even a thought. It’s one fluid motion I can rely on. Personally if I’m in such a shambled state that I can’t click something with my thumb, that I’ve practiced for 4 years, then I’m too shambled to choose to end a life.
PuzzleheadedRegion87@reddit
Then there ya have it, only thing that really matters is the practice.
Useful-Ad-2274@reddit
I’d suggest you go watch the Active Self Protection channel. They do reviews of actual defensive situations caught on camera. They’ll breakdown that the difference in time actually does make a significant difference alongside other valid reasons why you should carry with a loaded chamber.
HumanAntagonist@reddit (OP)
I watch their vids all the time. They have also done vids where someone racked the slide before an encounter with no issues. That's not the point of the post tho. Point is people should carry guns with a manual safety if they dont want to have one in the chamber.
Severe-Cow-8646@reddit
Like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xncxROU8zEU
TheDonkeyBomber@reddit
Mine has a manual safety, but it’s also a P320/M18, so yeah, no round in the chamber everrrrrr.
HonorableAssassins@reddit
So.... why carry it?
accursedvenom@reddit
Because we can and no one has actually proved it will fire on its own.
HonorableAssassins@reddit
Brother the guy just fucking said he wont carry it chambered
And yes, yes we have, ive reproduced it on the armory models in the army just fine. Pull the trigger a few degrees back - as buildup of gunk can do naturally - and wiggle the slide, the seer will disengage and youll hear a click. It is extremely easy to reproduce, everyone knows how at this point.
accursedvenom@reddit
So you agree the trigger has to be pulled to fire. Interesting. Every video I’ve seen, they were only able to get it to do anything after manipulating the trigger. I’ve seen people spear chuck it to the ground and nothing happens. You will not change my mind about it and I won’t change yours. You have a day sir.
HonorableAssassins@reddit
Brother can you read
This is not acceptible in any other pistol. This few degrees of trigger movement does not require you to manipulate it.
Dirt and carbon will build up in the trigger well and push it back that far naturally. It requires barely any movement. Most people arent religiously cleaning out their triggerwells.
Just say 'okay im aware of the risks and ill take care of it' instead of this weird defensive denial dude. You have such an easy, respectible out for yourself here and youre choosing brand-loyalty based denial instead.
....after inserting yourself into a conversation that had nothing to do with you because the other guy said he wouldnt carry chamberer, meaning he has concerns.
accursedvenom@reddit
I can read just fucking fine, can you? Dirt and carbon can be cleaned and if you aren’t doing that, that is a problem for the individual. You asked “than why carry it”. I plainly said because we can carry it. Doesn’t matter if it’s chambered or not. If dude wants to carry it that way, that’s his prerogative. No one is in denial here. All the NDs I’ve heard of have involved the same light bearing holster and a non manual safety p320. Sounds like a common denominator if ever there was one. Add in how little police apparently train with their weapons from things I’ve seen here from former LEOs.
I keep mine clean after use and will continue to take it out wherever I go. I do not have any brand loyalty. I have my M18, a couple of ruger sec9, and a M&P 15-22. Also have my SIL/MILs glocks, but I’m not a big Glock fan. Just like the conversation didn’t involve me, it didn’t involve you either when you asked your initial question.
HonorableAssassins@reddit
Holy meltdown
And more denial, sure bud its the holster.
Im just gonna block you, try not to get anyone killed by recommending trash.
jamesdo72@reddit
If I were plagued with a fear of carrying with a round chambered, I’d strongly consider a single-action/double action (CZ75).
byoungstr@reddit
I have a CZ75 Shadow 2 and I love it!
beazules@reddit
I honestly can’t even tell if this is satire or not
No-Mechanic3931@reddit
HKp30sk or the CSX-e help to solve this for me
yo_mr_peepers@reddit
DA/SA mafia reporting in.
JksonBlkson@reddit
My Beretta’s DA trigger is so long that it’s a safety on its own.
ours@reddit
That's the point of all DAs.
QuinceDaPence@reddit
They're so big though.
My ideal gun would be Bodyguard 2.0 sized but DA/SA
insomniacjezz@reddit
Bersa Thunder has entered the chat
PostingToPassTime@reddit
DA for my CC.
The safety cutoff is a natural thumb movement with draw, and it makes me feel a lot more comfortable knowing it has a standard safety beyond don't pull the trigger.
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
“I don’t trust myself to not shoot my nuts off by waiting to pull the trigger until I’m ready”
Zachowon@reddit
Just get used to drawing your gun without the finger on the trigger
Scipio2myLou@reddit
DA/SA. Problem solved.
what-name-is-it@reddit
The argument against a manual safety is that It’s still an added step in a stressful situation. I have a shield with the manual safety and it’s on the small side. In a life and death, I’m not sure I’d trust being able to reliably disengage it with adrenaline pumping. It’s one thing to practice in training but you won’t truly know until you’re in a real situation with real risk. To be more foolproof, the manual safety could be bigger to disengage under pressure but that impacts concealability and comfort while carrying.
WindstormMD@reddit
That’s why sweep off /sweep on should be part of your standard carry proficiency training.
My carry guns are S&Ws for example, and any time I take them to the range, any time you go on target you sweep off, any time you lower or go off target sweep on. It becomes second nature just like doing the same thing with an AR.
Pafolo@reddit
I tested disengaging the shield manual Saftey and its size and position for me didn’t allow for reliable disengagement. I ended up special ordering one without it.
Synectics@reddit
If you cannot trust yourself with a manual safety, how in the fuck are you trusting yourself to shoot what you aim at?
what-name-is-it@reddit
The majority of deadly force situations happen inside of what, like 10-20 feet? That doesn’t leave you with a lot of time before the threat closes the gap. All I’m saying is a safety adds a potential point of failure in the draw and fire process where time matters.
ammonthenephite@reddit
Not all safeties are easily manipulatable. Compare the safety of an MA compliant khar pm9 to that of a SW M&P, for example. Completely different profiles and effort needed, and the safety of the khar and others aren't really designed to be used 'in the field', so to speak.
Synectics@reddit
Sure.
Triggers are also sometimes silly heavy.
If you are not comfortable carrying and using, you are a danger to yourself and others.
ammonthenephite@reddit
You don't need to work a safety to be safe carrying and using.
It's okay if you need a safety to keep from endangering others then by all means get a ccw that has a safety you can operate under high stress. But don't assume everyone has your limitations.
ammonthenephite@reddit
My khar pm9 has a manual safety, but it sits flush to the gun and hurts to turn off with just your thumb, no way I'd want to have to turn that off in a life or death situation, lol.
My bedside gun has a thumb safety that sticks out and is very easy to manipulate, so it actually gets used.
REDACTED3560@reddit
I’ve also got the shield and it’s pretty easy to disengage the safety. I just jam the side of my thumb into the slide and push down, the safety gets disengaged. Disengaging is so ingrained into my draw cycle that I find myself reaching for a safety on guns that don’t even have them like my Glock (which I don’t carry anymore for unrelated reasons).
joelfarris@reddit
My favorite pistol is the one with an inbuilt trigger safety and also a rear strap grip safety. All I have to do is grab it, hold it, and aim it, and it's ready to rock, no questions asked, no belligerence, no trigger pushback or resistance, and no failure to fire. :)
Plus, when holstering the thing, you just have to relax your grip on the backstrap and you can be assured that the trigger won't glack on something and launch one into your downstairs parts.
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
Bodyguard 2.0 isn’t the best example as there’s been reports of the gun firing with the manual safety on if downward force is exerted on the trigger while it is pulled, and widespread reports of the trigger safety either not working right out of the box, or within a few hundred rounds 💀
I personally prefer to carry a chambered striker fired gun with integrally safe internals and a trigger dingus safety, in a well-fitted kydex holster. In the interest of comfort and concealability, I also carry an LCP Max with a round in the chamber, which has an internal hammer with its own drop-safe design, and a trigger dingus safety.
As long as the gun has an integrally safe action and is drop safe and has a trigger dingus, my trigger finger discipline and safe handling at all times are all the additional safety I need 🤷🏻♂️
rubbarz@reddit
The trigger safety was being fucked with by those dumbass trigger locks retailers use.
Mine fixed itself after 50 rounds. Sound a little LCP biased here lol
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
Range USA doesn’t use those trigger locks, and had to send their BG2.0s back to S&W lol
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
Lol who’s the Smith & Wesson dickrider who downvoted me on account of S&W having stores send back inventory of the BG2.0 en masse who got butthurt that the major retailer wasn’t Bass Pro with their trigger locks and instead the problem is the flimsy Smith & Wesson trigger dinguses 😂
imneuromancer@reddit
I went through all of those links to in sent and none of them mentioned an ND based on pushing the trigger in a certain direction with the safety on.
Maybe I missed it.
Considering the popularity, there are a people complaining of QC issues. I haven't seen this on my Bodyguards or those of the folks I know that have them. I asked my range if they've had any issues with the two bodyguards they have that are fired constantly: no issues.
But it is quite possible that in the mass production ramp up that QC has suffered. Or maybe there are a lot of them, so you hear the same issues that the sig p365 or Glock 43x has if you go through the forums.
So to say that there are QC issues is one thing, but one shouldn't spread the rumor of NDs when they have no proof.
imneuromancer@reddit
Hadn't heard of any issues like this, can you link to some examples?
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/SmithAndWesson/s/pTOpzrrr5w
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/s/vq8CqMPLBX
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/SmithAndWesson/s/a8QtU8SpJG
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/s/mhumUHqEke
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/s/5M4OmeH9FZ
ModernT1mes@reddit
This is the way.
THExWHITExDEVILx@reddit
Stuuble@reddit
I prefer a decocker
nate1909@reddit
Appendix carrying a P320 is my preferred decocker.
hitemlow@reddit
It just sucks that some brands advertise a "decocker", but it only takes the hammer down to half-cock. Then you end up having to spend a bunch of time researching some review video of the exact product to find out if it's a real decocker or a half one because the manufacturer doesn't seem to think it's important to distinguish.
Jazz_horse@reddit
Yeah but then you can be half-cocked Jack, king of the vagabonds.
hitemlow@reddit
With a full decocker, you can just thumb the hammer u to half-cock safely. With a half-decocker, you gotta pull the trigger (disabling the FPB) to lower the hammer all the way.
It just seems way safer and more versatile to have a full decocker.
Jazz_horse@reddit
I understand all of that and you're totally stepping on my literary reference. Shoo!
Stuuble@reddit
Who makes a full decocker? Most of the one ik of are half cocked
Thee_King_John@reddit
FNX 45, Beretta 92 series, HK USP series.
werewolf013@reddit
Walther PPK
RedHand1917@reddit
HK45 as well.
hitemlow@reddit
Beretta does
Rudrashiva@reddit
And The HK USP
Stuuble@reddit
Damn, I don’t got a beretta yet
PuzzleheadedRegion87@reddit
Decocker?! I barely know her!
ExpiredPilot@reddit
Damn near killed ‘er!
TankieRedard@reddit
I just use a kydex holster.
airmech1776@reddit
I understand my gun and its safety features. I carry with a loaded chamber pointed at my manhood. I am 100% confident it will never go off unless I pull the trigger.
Nut up and carry your gun ready for action.
Ok_Muffin_925@reddit
I don't have any data on this but from what I have seen in many armed protection incident videos is that the time to decide and act in many armed self defense situations is less than two or three seconds.
Granted, fear of shooting yourself or another by an ND is rational. But the fear of having just a two second time to shoot window when you have chained yourself to a four to five second response ability is even more scary. By not carrying chambered or even using a mechanical safety, you are entering that heightened risk arena.
You can prevent an ND through training and preparation. What you cannot control is the criminal acts of others.
KderNacht@reddit
Israeli carry only makes sense if you expect to shoot people who aren't shooting back.
BaronvonBrick@reddit
Get a good holster and trust your gear. Your smith isn't gunna sig you.
Commander459@reddit
I do really think safeties or DA/SA is the way to go, practically. But, I need to do more research on striker fires. The only one I feel 'comfortable' with atm is the P7 due to the striker not being cocked unless the pistol is gripped properly and there's no way it can possibly fire without that.
FPSBURNS@reddit
To me, carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is like driving without a seatbelt thinking you’ll have time to react and put it on before an accident.
Dragonnuttz@reddit
seatbelts isn't enough.....my mom would also extend her arm so that she could catch me when the seatbelt fails.....
dadbodsupreme@reddit
My mom did the same, but she was a very distracted driver. I got karate chopped in the throat at least four times.
TacosNGuns@reddit
My wife does the protective arm thing to me in hard stops (6’1” 250lbs) 😂
FlapperGasfire@reddit
As a strong proponent of chambered carry, that's a poor analogy.
There are no downsides to wearing your seatbelt. You can shoot yourself with a chambered gun (if you're negligent)
ammonthenephite@reddit
It is a sufficient analogy that gets the abstract point across that you may not have the opportunity to chamber a round before it's too late.
YtnucMuch@reddit
Yes, but it negates the mental fortitude it takes to carry with a loaded firearm. Everyone that is serious about concealed carry or defense will eventually get there. But throwing analogies that make people think they are less than instantly isn't helpful.
LunchboxKovacs@reddit
I get the reference, but the two really aren't even close. Racking a pistol on the draw is very quick and easy. It just takes practice. But I do prefer a hot chamber.
Dembroski13@reddit
You should see how fast I can put on my seatbelt
LunchboxKovacs@reddit
1.31 seconds while driving?
ammonthenephite@reddit
This assumes you have both hands free and have the extra time.
LunchboxKovacs@reddit
The only assumption is availability of the other hand. I replied to another comment in this thread- I've used a shot timer for both exercises. About 50 times each way. Relying on multi-tasking dexterity of one hand and placing a shot on target was slightly slower for me every time. Moving as fast as I could, i was quicker and had more A zone hits while racking on the draw.
To each their own, but try putting on your seat belt while driving with less than 1.5 seconds to react lol
BigTurtleKing@reddit
When i appendix carried i didnt have one in the chamber. I dont care how reliable the glock safeties are, im not risking shooting my cock off.
cleveraccountname13@reddit
I have taken my Glock 19 completely apart and I understand how it works. It literally cannot fire if the trigger is not pulled through the full required range of motion. Until that happens the firing pin cannot move forward. The design is genius and it has been widely copied.
I am confident that the trigger will not get pressed in my holster and I am confident I will not accidentally pull the trigger when I do not intend to.
TheVengeful148320@reddit
So I've always carried with a round in the chamber. Two different handguns, one a Beretta, which means round chambered, safety off, and hammer down so you have a long and heavy double action trigger pull as your safety (just like a revolver). The other is basically a 1911, it's a single action only internal hammer with a safety. Interestingly they actually make a version of it without a safety, but when I got mine was before they introduced the safety less model. Anyway, I always carry cocked and locked. Round chambered, safety on. Which makes me more comfortable since my holster has triggered my weapon light before so the thought of not having the safety with that holster just doesn't jive.
DeafHeretic@reddit
FWIW:
I don’t practice “quick draw”, I practice “deliberate draw”, situational awareness and staying away (as much as possible) from locations/situations where I “quick draw” would be necessary. Indeed, most of the time, I don’t carry at all.
I am quite used to striker fired guns having carried Glocks for a long time (decades). Now, for CCW, when I do carry, I carry a SIG 365 (no manual safety) in a cross draw holster (which I believe, gives me a little time and surreptitiousness). If the gun isn’t a CCW, then I prefer a SIG 226 DA/SA. All of these are carried with a round in the chamber.
I am thinking of getting my daughter a SIG 365 with manual safety. She has a G19 & Five Seven, but I think something smaller/lighter would be better, and since she doesn’t have the experience I have with firearms, a manual safety might be better for her.
YMMV
Maximum_Dweeb4473@reddit
This has to be bait 💀
C-R_Collector@reddit
Don’t carry appendix. Between 3 and 4 is just fine.
But that’s my personal belief. I find it to be extremely uncomfortable to carry appendix. And not because of the “you’ll shoot your dick off” or other “safety” issues. I’m talking physical comfort. I’ve never found a setup that’s comfortable for appendix. And that’s after $100s on holsters, wedges, etc.
Safety, non-safety. IDGF as long as you carry and practice with your carry setup. Get your dry fire in. Take some training courses. Maybe compete if you want.
Floyd_the_breathless@reddit
If you dont have time to put on a seat belt before a wreck, you dont have time to chamber a round when it's time to use it. Anyone who carries with an empty chamber has never been in a real fight. Things happen much faster than most people realize. I can draw and fire on target in .8, which is faster than people can blink. I know a lot of people that can do that. I dont know anyone who can draw, and chamber a round in that time frame. As always, get smart or get dead.
thegrumpymechanic@reddit
Carry with an empty chamber, and it might just take the rest of your life to try and load one in when you really need it.
gnartato@reddit
Carrying without a round on the chamber is incomepence. If you cannot trust yourself to safely carry a loaded firearm you have no business leaving your house with a firearm at all.
TryHard-Rune@reddit
I’m not pointing a loaded gun at my dick for the majority of my life, to probably never need to use it, without a manual safety. There’s just no reason in my opinion
Own-Particular6321@reddit
You're also probably not training enough to draw and fire in under a second with a manual safety. Just don't carry if you're gonna be a baby about it.
TryHard-Rune@reddit
Trained with it for 4 years so far, I feel completely comfortable with it. We’re talking fractions of seconds to click something down DURING draw. You’re not losing any time, seems stupid not to have one. Gun guys get so culty and defensive when it comes to gun opinions that shit cracks me up.
Own-Particular6321@reddit
It's not culty whatsoever. It's people pointing out that you're adding extra steps and following outdated doctrine. Do whatever you want, but pretending you're any safer due to a manual safety is laughable.
TryHard-Rune@reddit
What about a “two factor” system is outdated? Is there some brand new advancement in not accidentally firing that guns come with? I get having an opinion on a manual safety or not, but denying that you are safer with an extra step before shooting it’s just factually untrue. If we all wanna get really safe, we should unload all of our guns, zip tie the triggers closed, and lock them in a safe. do I think that’s a good idea, hell no, but I’m not gonna sit here and deny that that isnt safer.
Zestyclose_Rub7185@reddit
I don’t carry a manual safty because as an average American citizen, I do not think I have the reaction time to draw, aim, rack a round, and remove the safty wile being charged by an assailant. In a high states high adrenaline scenario, your hands get shaky and that’s when fuck ups happen.
Aggie74-DP@reddit
Why do you really need 3 safeties on the gun. The most important is the shooter, and solid/safe trigger finger control.
That gun has a Drop Safety, and a Trigger Safety. Shouldn't that be enough?
Oakroscoe@reddit
It is enough
JimMarch@reddit
The biggest problem with chamber empty carry: what happens if you have to draw with one hand used for something else, or already damaged?
In two of the five lethal attacks carried out against my wife between 2007 and 2017, the method of attack was high speed deliberate vehicular ramming. (Also one explosion in 2007 within weeks of the first ramming, one firebombing three days before we got married in 2013, and the 2017 one was a threatened ramming.)
I've been able to find three other victims of deliberate vehicular ramming tied to Alabama politics. I've learned of a 4th very recently, victim has decided not to go public.
I carry chamber hot.
Theworker82@reddit
2 of the 5??? shit man , you need a security team.
JimMarch@reddit
Well one, none of this involves gunfire. Whoever is doing this shit wants plausible deniability.
Two, it's been a decade since they messed with my wife.
But the bad news is, there was another ramming attack tied back to the same people within the last few months. Can't talk about that one yet.
Useful-Ad-2274@reddit
JimMarch@reddit
https://old.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/1tren2q/for_those_that_do_not_want_to_carry_with_a_round/oone4tp/
Ernie_McCracken88@reddit
...what?
JimMarch@reddit
Lol.
In early 2007 my wife was a lawyer in Alabama who used to work for various Republicans as campaign consultants, specializing in opposition research.
She figured out they were doing some really bad stuff, because they weren't really secretive about it with her assuming she would play along.
The main scam was false criminal charges against Democratic opposition candidates.
She blew the whistle on "60 Minutes".
Yeah.
I met her in 2012 when I was hired as her bodyguard and research assistant on election monitoring project. She didn't really want to do the gig and told them she needed somebody who was an expert in electronic voting machines as a tech assistant and was also known to pack heat because she'd been in some shit before. She didn't think they would come up with anybody with that combination.
About a month anyway she says to me "hey Jim, we could have fun on this trip or we could have REAL fun!"
Aaaand that's why my last name is now Simpson instead of March.
Lol.
When her back went out in 2014 and she had to shut down her law office, I turned into a trucker in large part because we could bounce around all over the country doing up to 700 mi a day making it a lot harder for certain assholes. We did that for 8 years until her cancer got too bad.
"Would you like to know more?"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XDeWd8kcAWhL-Dr4cz_sZaYmhnchCyuC/view?usp=drivesdk
Sigh.
Yeah. Some of us run around strapped out of need, not want.
Obvious-Instance@reddit
speak for yourself i guess personally i'm way more likely to intentionally discharge a firearm than negligently discharge one it's something like 78,000 to 3 so far
Own-Particular6321@reddit
You've had 3 NDs?
Outrageous_Lion8966@reddit
The whole safety vs no safety will be a debate until the end of time. Honestly there’s zero reason to talk about it. If you prefer one then carry with one. If you don’t prefer one then don’t carry with one. You do you, because either way literally nobody else cares what you choose.
il1k3c3r34l@reddit
This is what I do.
CAD007@reddit
Under stress you will do as you do in practice, due to fight or flight response de, muscle memory and repetitions.
You do not practice enough to develop the muscle memory to reliably remember to rack the slide or flip off the safety under stress. Having to deal with the additional tasks of slide or safety will distract your focus away from target identification, threat assessment, and front sight acquisition.
After being shot, or while under physical attack, you may not have the time, space, or ability to operate the slide or safety. You may not have use of both hands.
I have seen many shooters, LE and non LE , pull the trigger under the stress of qualifying, to be met with a click or no response because they forgot to chamber a round or flip off the safety.
Dr_Juice_@reddit
I call bs on not being able to train yourself to take a safety off. If you can run a long gun with a safety then you can run a pistol with one to. Now, relying on racking the slide in time is another story because there is too much that can go wrong like there being a feeding issue or your hand slipping off of the slide mid rack.
Ok-Affect-3852@reddit
As someone who is admittedly nervous about carrying striker fired handguns with one in the chamber, I would recommend a da/sa pistol with a safety/decocker. Beretta, CZ, and Bersa have some great options.
pookie_buster@reddit
I have the same model with the safety but I never use it, it was the only one at the gun shop I could get without having to wait so I got it
slowdown7L4T@reddit
One of the chamber with manual safety is the way…that being said , training is more important than
LunchboxKovacs@reddit
Training is everything
Hettyc_Tracyn@reddit
I would personally just buy a firearm with a hammer and the option to decock it, so you have the longer/heavier trigger pull for the first shot (usually about 10lbs)
This makes it safe to use without a safety, as long as you are already following the rules of gun safety… (specifically keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire)
therealslimsh80@reddit
I changed to all manual safety carry pistols for this reason after switching from a G19 to a CZ P-09 Nocterne and M&P2.0 10mm also with manual safety. I tried the decocker for a long time but I couldn’t stand that first trigger pull. As long as you don’t go too long without practicing your draw, disengaging the safety feels pretty fluid.
goallight@reddit
I carry both ways. To me it really depends on how the safety feels. My P365x, the safety is in a very natural position for me and I just disable it during my draw. Doesnt slow me down enough to notice. My S&W dont have safeties becuse I don't like where they are located or feel. To me, if you are going to carry you need to always have one in the chamber. If you dont feel comfortable with one in the chamber than you need to carry only with something with a safety you feel good with or not carry at all. Racking a slide during a stressed situation probably wont end well.
SplashingChicken@reddit
I've been carrying for the better part of a decade with one in the chamber and the idea of a ND has never crossed my mind mostly because I use good holsters and don't draw until it's time to clean and inspect it or someone's asking for it in a funny way.
Best advice is just to simply shoot your gun often and become comfortable and competent with it.
DashMcGee@reddit
It's a great question. I am torn. I do love a 1911 with an extended safety, but I do not carry 1911s on my body; they are too bulky. One thing that makes me feel more confident is to carry a gun (LCP Max is one example) that has a lot of trigger uptake. Once you hit the wall, the trigger is light enough to make it easy to fire. A 1911 trigger is just so fast and light. I took one to the gunsmith to see if he could make it heavier, but he said he could not. I thought about getting something like a Kahr that has a semi-auto with a DAO trigger. It gives you a longer trigger pull to make sure you are not firing at something before you are certain you need to. What is your preferred carry gun?
Dry_Cranberry638@reddit
I do lol
IanKelsonMD@reddit