Did you / Would you leave your boat at anchor unattended for multiple days or weeks?
Posted by Mehfisto666@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 75 comments
Hi all. I'm not planning to do this really, just curious.
So at the moment I'm sailing up the coast of Norway, while working 3 weeks on / 3 weeks off. That means that whenever i go back to work i need to find a marina that will take my boat for a month, and hopefully give me a decent price (daily fees at guest harbors would get expensive).
I have stumbled on few, very well sheltered anchorages that made me wonder "what if I'd just drop anchor here and come back in 3 weeks?".
Honestly the anxiousness and sleepless nights while away with no possibility of getting any news about my boat are ofcourse not worth the few hundred bucks I'd save.
But I am wondering if you guys do this sometimes. Maybe some liveaboars that oaccasionally flies to their relatives or so. Or if you go visit some friends a few days. How do you manage?
Quint87@reddit
If you have starlink or other means of internet, setup a remote camera to watch it.
I leave my boat on anchor, but it also has a very powerful anchoring setup for its size.
I have a 45# lewmar delta with massive chain and double rode. It's twice the size of anchor for the boat, but I feel good about it.
saltydog5751@reddit
Leaving Starlink on would crush your battery.
Quint87@reddit
Uses very very little, absolutely does not crush battery.
Get a Starlink Mini with direct to DC input.
Source: I am a computer tech and have personally installed hundreds of starlinks in the most remote locations.
saltydog5751@reddit
That's great to know. I was worried that bilge pump and Starlink would overwhelm my batteries.
Harrythebosss@reddit
Yeah, i believe mini averages like 18w of power which means it would be very feasible with a small solar setup and decent batteries. I have a gen3 standard and it usually sits around 40 watts idle
StarpoweredSteamship@reddit
Better to have too much than not enough
achi2019@reddit
If I leave my bost for more than 24 hours I'm using both my stock and plow anchor spaced apart with separate lines. Im not a rich man and battery is limited on board so I usually use an old Android with good battery and location sharing on so I can check in on her and see if she's moved around from what swing she can tolerate. In case one rodd snaps or comes loose, I have another. I wouldn't leave her if rough weather is forecasted.
TopCobbler8985@reddit
If you are going to be there a few weeks - lay a temporary mooring and save your own gear from the wear and tear.
Mehfisto666@reddit (OP)
What is a temporary mooring?
caseadilla_atx@reddit
I think this is a really great question and something I’ve thought about often.
hew3@reddit
If your boat is insured, check the fine print on your policy. Mine has an unattended at anchor time limit of 8 hours. Something goes wrong and I can’t prove that I was on the boat 8 hours prior, that claim is not getting paid.
DMcI0013@reddit
The yard manager installs our lines at our marina. Heavier than is likely required and tailored for each boat. Stern lines, bow lines, spring lines. 8 heavy lines per boat. He still checks every boat on a daily basis for us when we aren’t there. I still hate leaving it. I can’t imagine leaving an anchored boat for weeks.
jibstay77@reddit
I know folks who have left their boat on anchor or a mooring ball for several days, weeks or months. They typically have someone check on it every couple of days. Either a friend, or neighbor boater, or someone that is paid to do it.
wanderinggoat@reddit
Where I live its normal to have your yacht on mooring balls for multiple years , I know a few people who live on a mooring.
I think a mooring is better than in a Marina personally.
Kibbles_n_Bombs@reddit
I had my boat anchored out for the past 5 weeks with tidal swings moving my boat twice a day. Left her alone for 5 days while traveling and she was fine.
Have a mantis anchor, 50’ of chain, and then let out 30’ of line in ~15’ of water.
Tidal swing of like 3-4’
IAintShit@reddit
Still, it’s a risk good ground tackle or not. I don’t think I could do that.
Irreverent_Alligator@reddit
Why not more line? Don’t want to swing too far? I’ve only ever anchored once but I’m trying to learn and people usually say more scope than that is better. Just not necessary in your opinion?
Raneynickelfire@reddit
80ft in 15ft of water is plenty.
Irreverent_Alligator@reddit
Okay good to know. That’s just over 5:1 scope and I usually see people say 5:1 is minimum, 7:1 or 8:1 better. Though I guess having so much of it be chain helps.
PBYACE@reddit
Ideally, you want 7:1. In real life, you have to work with the conditions available. The longer the scope, the more opportunity for trouble due to swinging at anchor. I've been awakened in the wee hours by a boat banging into mine because the guy thought lots of scope was a good thing. I was a Boatswain's Mate in the USCG at Station Cape Disappointment. Part of the motor lifeboat coxswain school was the CG's study on anchor types and anchoring. For boats, the best holding power came from 3-strand nylon with about 6' of heavy chain attached to a Danforth-type anchor. The chain holds the anchor's shank down, improving its angle of attack, and it protects the nylon line from abrasion. The heavier the chain, the better. We practiced by anchoring a 44' MLB in the surf. Lots of fun, that. Later, I bought a 12 ton Hillyard motorsailer. It had chain, a plow anchor, and a big, heavy winch, which is what you want if you're going to stay anchored for a while. I got rid of all that, freeing up the foredeck and getting a lot of weight out of the bow. I had 100' of 1" dia. 3-strand, 6' of chain that weighed about 20 pounds, and a 25 pound Danforth. I had a retriever line and float attached to the anchor. Pulling the anchor out by its base is much easier than pulling it up by its shank, and you always know where the anchor is. We cruised the inside Passage a bunch, and never once did we have the anchor slip. We anchored in 30' with a 100' of line and 6' of chain frequently. The cool part was that the water was crystal clear and you could see what the anchor was doing. I'd get up in the morning and find the anchor had dug down out of sight with half the chain showing. The really big disadvantage of the rig is marine life (icky slime and barnacles) loves nylon line. It's for short-term use. I never try to set the anchor. It just plows up the bottom. The anchor will set itself. You can put your hand on the anchor line and feel if it's slipping even slightly. Know that the bottom is composed of so you can avoid poor conditions.
dcknight93@reddit
7:1 is the gold standard. 5:1 all chain would still make me nervous.
Raneynickelfire@reddit
The chain makes a big difference.
underwaterCanuck@reddit
depends on your freeboard. 5ft freeboard is only a 4:1 scope
Raneynickelfire@reddit
Uh.... no it does not depend on freeboard unless you're talking about the distance from the anchor winch to the water? Pretty unremarkable with 50ft of chain out.
underwaterCanuck@reddit
Yeah freeboard is distance from deck to water, generally the anchor chain runs off the deck at the bow. That distance needs to be added to the water depth for scope calculations. Even on smaller sailboats that can be 3 to 4 feet which really matters in 15ft of water.
WaterChicken007@reddit
No, freeboard definitely counts. The whole point of having a 5:1 scope is to make the line form a nice curve. The freeboard will change the curve of your anchor chain so you have to take it into account.
hullgreebles@reddit
I don't even like leaving my boat in the marina
-Maris-@reddit
I don't like leaving my boat at all.
squeaki@reddit
Found the live aboard!
IAintShit@reddit
Same if I leave my boat for a couple days in a marina i am fully stressed.
jonathanrdt@reddit
So many things to go wrong while the boat is just sitting...
PBYACE@reddit
If you have the money, consider having the boat hauled and stored on land.
Some_Turn_323@reddit
I couldn't do it. Overnight is about it.
millijuna@reddit
Rationally, my anchoring system would probably be fine if set in good mud or sand (oversized anchor, followed by 50’ of chain, then 8 plait). But I wouldn’t do it. Plus, with the way I normally have things rigged, we can’t go more than 5 or 6 days without plugging in or running the engine. But that includes running the StarLink, all the instruments, and our AIS transponder.
Weak-Carpet3339@reddit
Not your situation exactly but my wife and left our boat on a Midwestern lake to join some friends to get on their speedboat to have some lunch. Got back with a ticket from the GFP for leaving my boat unattended. ..said they thought somone may have fallen overcoat and needed rescue .. This was Iowa but be aware you might be breaking some regulation
ImpressiveFault8542@reddit
Depends. , is it a well sheltered Anchorage ? What about your anchor or anchors, are they set in two directions with a swivel and ample chain? Do you have a reliable Masthead light with adequate solar and a photo diode switch? Do you have an automatic bildge pump? Can you monitor your boat locatipm on ais? Have you made a connection with the local person who lives nearby that will keep an eye on your boat? Lin and Larry pardey write at length about this, they would sometimes leave their pride and joy anchored for months to take care of other aspects of their lives and finances. If you can't leave your boat or make other pland.... you dont own your boat, your boat owns YOU.
mikechella@reddit
I've seen it done before on a lake, but in that instance the boat owner had a lot of friends who would check on the boat when they were near to make sure it was alright.
WaterChicken007@reddit
Few hundred bucks worth of savings? How cheap do you think marinas are? Around here, guest moorage runs $1.50-3.00 a foot per day. So a 40’ boat is looking at like $80 a day in fees on average. 3 weeks worth of guest mooring would be close to $1700.
Some marinas wouldn’t even allow guest stays of that length. Some charge extra taxes for longer stays. Although some you could probably get a slip for a month or so. It seems to vary a lot. Around here there are long waitlists that make getting a slip difficult.
acidreducer@reddit
1700 is a lot more than “a few hundred”
And it sounds like this is a constant not just a one time deal
Mehfisto666@reddit (OP)
I found a small marina on an island for less than 250$ per month and the owner will keep an eye on my boat. Last time it was a bit more than 300$ but thats on the higher end
WaterChicken007@reddit
$250 a month is crazy cheap. Especially if someone will look at your boat every so often. That wouldn't even cover a 3 day weekend near where I live.
Mehfisto666@reddit (OP)
Yeah scandinavia is pretty cheap for boating, though prices and salaries as well are not as high as in the us i think
WaterChicken007@reddit
Yeah, that is the problem here (Seattle Washington). Lots of highly paid engineers and limited numbers of slips coupled with some amazing sailing opportunities. If the area was full of blue collar workers who had less disposable income I am certain the costs wouldn’t be so absurd. A slip for my boat (39’) is $700-972 a month depending on the marina.
acidreducer@reddit
Seems like a pretty good deal. That’s actually a few hundred haha. That’s definitely an affordable piece of mind
doyu@reddit
Multiple weeks? No, I won't even do that at the marina.
A fews days or a week. Yea, I don't see why not.
macadamia808@reddit
No
RikkiLostMyNumber@reddit
I really wouldn't do that. It's about more than shelter, anchor, and rode. The boat could be stolen, could be taking on water, a deck leak could start up...you name it.
hudsoncress@reddit
I think of the elephant seals that take up residence on moored boats.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5WukKFYe6Jg?feature=share
countsachot@reddit
Oh my, how much do they weigh?
hudsoncress@reddit
a couple of tons each
countsachot@reddit
Ouch!
RikkiLostMyNumber@reddit
ha ha ha yeah that too!
busfeet@reddit
Do they have mooring buoys in Norway? That should be a considerably cheaper option if so.
Mehfisto666@reddit (OP)
It's not really much of a thing here. You do find them here and there but they are either just for daily stops if public, or they are private and noone knows who put them there. Instead there's quite a lot of small marinas with guest pontoons
gammalbjorn@reddit
What is a guest pontoon?
Mehfisto666@reddit (OP)
Most marinas have a more or less small dock for short term visits. Normally for like 3 to 10 boats, and you get a place and electricity for a daily fee. You just go there and dock and pay with app or something
Sweaty-Seat-8878@reddit
i could see leaving for a few days to a week in a period of VERY settled weather, but yikes, that’s way to long. You will have frontal shifts.
A case of beer to a friendly neighbor would go a long way here…
NotASexJoke@reddit
A fore-aft anchor setup would potentially hold, as each will hold for tide running opposite way. But they not really designed to deal with huge swings.
If I was doing it I’d run an echoes forward and aft, and over spec them as much as possible.
Mehfisto666@reddit (OP)
What if the wind shift to 90° though wouldn't that be an issue?
IanSan5653@reddit
Yeah that would be a huge issue.
Mehfisto666@reddit (OP)
I'd rather just let it swing
No_Glove2128@reddit
Some times you have no choice. 😩. Priorities? Do you drop the hook and hope for the best? Sometimes you have to make that decision. Get back to work and keep your job / income. To pay for whatever? Boating isn’t for the weak at heart. Life is tough. I’m not going to lose everything because of my boat. 😞😩😝🎣🎣
Secret-Temperature71@reddit
One could write a chapter, or three, on this topic.
Yes it is done successfully. You need to pay close attention to your anchor/mooting snubbing. You need enough to not yank your hard point out and it needs to be adequately chaffed to not rub through.
You need someone trustworthy, sober, and with a backup to keep a regular check on the system and fix it when it inevitably fails.
You need imagination to envision the most unlikely source of failure, like leaves blocking your scuppers, or maybe flying fish.
I have been personally involved in several “rescues” of boats unexpectedly going walkabout. Every year, in St Marrten there are several if not numerous boats that come loose with nowone home.
1959Mason@reddit
Our boat is out on her mooring from May to October and sometimes we might not check it for a week or two. But on an anchor I’d only be ok leaving it for a few days at most.
Small_Dog_8699@reddit
Nope. It would be stripped for parts within a week.
MisterGerry@reddit
Rigging Doctor has a video about setting up a "mooring" for longer-term anchoring.
It's essentially three anchors spread out evenly, connected together, so at least one of them is always "digging in".
yetrident@reddit
Anchors aren't designed to handle swings in wind direction. I wouldn't dare to do that.
ComplexQuiet6790@reddit
Love to hear the logic behind this theory...
caeru1ean@reddit
It’s an interesting thought experiment though because I have lived on my boat at anchor for the last 5 years, and never had a problem with dragging on my 33kg Rocna. However I would still be uncomfortable leaving it at anchor unattended, even with a pretty much 100% success rate of it being safe at anchor unattended
Mehfisto666@reddit (OP)
I have a bruce anchor which, from what i read, has the highest reset success rate. I don't anchor often, but the few times i did swing in the night it was no issue with resetting, and i did leave the boat a few times for daily hikes but that was always in really fair weather. I think i feel pretty much the same as you
Lussypicker1969@reddit
You have no clue what you’re talking about
the-montser@reddit
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Yes they are. Well designed anchors are designed to reset quickly if pulled out due to a change in wind direction or tide.
sdbest@reddit
For me, this would never be an option.
jh937hfiu3hrhv9@reddit
I would not be able to sleep a wink.
SkewRejection@reddit
Left mine at anchor up a river in a south american rain forest for 3 days while travelling inland. There were other boats keeping an eye on her. Otherwise wouldnt usually leave her unattended overnight.