Checklist discipline
Posted by mrb13676@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 20 comments
I have 500h odd experience as a PPL.
The majority of that was on a Sling 4 - single power lever, simple flaps, no proceudres, 3 step after takeoff and pre landing flow.
Now flying an SR22T - and I'm finding it incredibly hard to remember to use the checklists consistently. The pre takeoff and pre taxi checklists are easy to rememebr to do because you're stationary. Likewise the after landingand before shutdown checklists.
I'm comfortable with and perform the flows of the prelanding checklist but always forget to run the actual checklist because there is a lot going on in the 22 compared to the Sling..
I'm sure others struggle with this - how do we overcome this in a single crew environment?
hdecece@reddit
Law of primacy strikes again
poser765@reddit
Primacy is a raging bitch.
mrb13676@reddit (OP)
True story and I’ll be the first to admit it.
DefundTheHOA_@reddit
Using checklists is like the easiest thing to do as a pilot lol
EntroperZero@reddit
It's easy if you trained with checklists from day one, it's very difficult to fix bad habits if you've done 500 hours already.
DefundTheHOA_@reddit
Better start learning if you want to fly any kind of jet or turboprop
Cessnateur@reddit
It's almost like different people struggle with different things.
DefundTheHOA_@reddit
Sure. Not everyone can be a pilot
Antique-Kitchen-1896@reddit
I thought the checklist is built into your panel in the sr22?
Not doing checklist is showing you are behind the plane. Try harder and keep at it until you are ahead.
mrb13676@reddit (OP)
it is built in correct. there is probably an element of being behind the aircraft with <10h on the model.
EntroperZero@reddit
Have you done the Cirrus transition training?
JT-Av8or@reddit
One of the problems I’ve seen in small plane GA is how checklist creep has made checklists into lesson plans. ATIS-check, LIGHTS-as needed etc. Those aren’t checklist items, that’s just being a pilot. The checklists should be for serious “break things” items.
For example I have a Twin Comanche, far more complex than an SR-22 and the 1964 landing checklist is fuel tanks on mains, cowl flaps open, gear down, props and mixture forward. It’s on a placard. Similar to takeoff except it swaps trim for gear & adds boost pumps. That’s how long a checklist should be.
So yes, you need to use them, but I also acknowledge that they’ve gotten out of hand length wise.
mrb13676@reddit (OP)
This is a great insight. In the 22 almost the entire FOM is in the electronic checklists. I mean, it basically gives you instruction on how to do the run up.
R5Jockey@reddit
Dude. The checklists on the Warriors I recently rented were insane. There aren’t 72 things to do in a Warrior between getting to the run up area and departing. I mean, I guess maybe there are, but I don’t need “Eyes…. Open. Breath… In” to be on a checklist.
I’m being a little facetious, but a mag check is one item, not 7. It’s overwhelming and IMO, makes it easier to miss things.
cazzipropri@reddit
If you get to a point where it's too late to start using the descent or landing checklist, go around or climb back and force yourself to do it with the checklist. Make checklists easy to access. Consider printing them in a compact format that is always at hand.
AlexJamesFitz@reddit
Non-emergency, do-then-verify in-flight checklists usually have some kind of trigger. "Oh, I leveled off, time to run the cruise checklist."
Figure out those triggers and learn them.
chuckop@reddit
That’s good advice. I use “turning off the runway” to trigger the after landing checklist (flaps up, lights off, etc.).
AlexJamesFitz@reddit
Oh, and chair flying or home sim practice could probably help here, too.
Prof_Slappopotamus@reddit
Pay someone to sit next to you and roast your ass everytime you don't use the checklist.
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
I have 500h odd experience as a PPL.
The majority of that was on a Sling 4 - single power lever, simple flaps, no proceudres, 3 step after takeoff and pre landing flow.
Now flying an SR22T - and I'm finding it incredibly hard to remember to use the checklists consistently. The pre takeoff and pre taxi checklists are easy to rememebr to do because you're stationary. Likewise the after landingand before shutdown checklists.
I'm comfortable with and perform the flows of the prelanding checklist but always forget to run the actual checklist because there is a lot going on in the 22 compared to the Sling..
I'm sure others struggle with this - how do we overcome this in a single crew environment?
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