For what reasons would you leave the UK?
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What are some reasons that would tempt you to leave the UK? Which place would you move to?
prustage@reddit
It used to be the weather. I liked that in other countries you spent more time outside, there was a cafe culture where you could sit in the sunshine in the square having a snack and watching the world go by.
Looking at the weather today and sitting in my local village square doing exactly that suggests that I might not have to leave after all.
xr484@reddit
University professor here. I left my UK university for one in France. I have better income, much more funding for research, and students who generally speak decent English, unlike my previous students in the UK. Housing is of much better quality and a lot cheaper. Food it better. When I travel, I don't need to queue at passport control everytime I come back
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
Wise choice with everything happening in the HE sector here at the moment...
RubberyBallSacks@reddit
I live in Thailand and England. Couldn’t be happier. Back in The New Forest next week and I can’t wait.
mordecai14@reddit
If the NHS collapsed or was privatised ala American healthcare, I'd go elsewhere
ProudMastodon1@reddit
Where would you go? As a foreigner you would be unlikely to receive free universal healthcare in many countries when you first arrive
RubberyBallSacks@reddit
You guys pay through the nose for shite healthcare and call it free.
trekken1977@reddit
Perhaps they meant they’d leave as the NHS was their only reason to stay versus leaving to find another country with an NHS
ZenPyx@reddit
People don't generally leave seeking immediate healthcare, it's more of a "well, what happens if I do get sick/require substantial care in the future"
idontgetit_99@reddit
Very few countries, if any, have the same model as the NHS, so you’d be going to a country where there’s no “free at the point of use” healthcare anyway.
Also, NHS Collapsing does not mean it defaults to becoming American healthcare, that isn’t how it works and no politician has pushed for that, it’s a strawman argument setup to put fear into anyone wanting any change.
Highspiritz9@reddit
Be ready to leave then. The nhs won’t be running much longer at this rate. It’s only a matter of time
2roundabout@reddit
NHS is far more likely to collapse in to an unworkable shambles under the current system than ever being an americanised system.
In fact aging population, bloated structure, reliance on foreign labour due to government cuts to domestic medical training. We are kind of already there.
I don't ever recall seeing waiting rooms like this in the 90s/00s like the chaos I see everytime now.
I think something akin to the system most other European countries use would be better. Hospitals are private. Insurance is guaranteed by government.
But NHS is a religion, any level of privatisation will be resisted by the voters. So we will just continue the decline we are currently in under the current model.
Uqunt@reddit
This is the problem when discussing UK healthcare, it's always either the NHS or USA. Europe, where I now live, has universal healthcare under a different model to either. Having now experienced what a great healthcare system can look like, I never want to go back to the NHS.
PiesPiesAndPies@reddit
Singapore is a fantastic place to live, with wonderful travel on your doorstep. I almost moved to work and live there.
Subject_Yak_8793@reddit
I’m moving to the US later this year. We love hiking, backcountry camping, trail running, wildlife, hunting, fishing, wilderness, skiing, all of which are in abundance where we are moving to. We don’t have “proper” outdoors in the UK. Also better salaries, better work opportunities and despite UK reddit’s downer on the US, we have always enjoyed our time there and the people.
Asleep-Exchange-7657@reddit
Weather, sunshine, warmth, beaches, food, fruit, seafood, street food, mountains, nature, scenery, affordability, housing, space, gardens, pools, lifestyle, adventure, culture, history, architecture, safety, healthcare, transport, convenience, cleanliness, community, friendliness, hospitality, relaxation, freedom, opportunities, travel, exploration, diversity, nightlife, festivals, markets, cafés, restaurants, parks, wildlife, hiking, swimming, diving, snorkelling, surfing, island-hopping, efficiency, modernity, infrastructure, work-life balance, happiness, simplicity, peacefulness, freshness, blue skies, sunsets, palm trees, tropicality, curiosity, language-learning, personal growth, self-discovery, lower costs, better value, less stress, less commuting, less rain, less grey skies, less winter, less darkness, less crowding, less pressure, more space, more freedom, more savings, more travel, more sun, more life, more fun, more culture, more adventure, more spontaneity, more outdoor living, more time, more energy, more possibilities.
Old_Table_5926@reddit
I don't think this is a political answer.
But if the country started feeling unsafe to ethnic minorities, I wouldn't wait for a repeat of Germany I'd leave with my family.
I don't know where I'd go though, despite the negative comments this country is well balanced. We might not have the best, but we don't have the worst. It's safe, we have a good living standard, it's generally consistent.
So I'll stay as long it's safe to live here, which I think is a pretty good reason to leave.
ThinkChocolate1961@reddit
If I didn't have grandchildren here, I'd go to Canada - my younger son lives there and I know the local area where he lives quite well.
UNarbs@reddit
Honestly, the only reason I’d consider moving away from the UK would be for employment opportunities.
glytxh@reddit
Because I wasn’t born here, and it’s becoming less appealing over time.
WiccanPixxie@reddit
We are planning to retire to Greece. My partner suffers with severe joint pain which is worse due to our changeable climate. His first ever holiday to Greece, after two days, the pain he was in was barely there and he didn’t need painkillers. By the end of the holiday, he was moving better than I have ever seen him move. Within days of being back in England, his pain was back. He and his doctor put it down to the heat and lack of humidity, and the weather not being so changeable
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
Wish you good luck! I'm from Greece myself, although I come from a terribly humid area of Greece. So make sure you research the subclimate of the region before you move there as some places can be awfully humid! I have some relatives who live in Crete and the climate there is wonderfully dry with stable temperatures for most of the year.
WiccanPixxie@reddit
Crete is one of the islands we were looking into. We have holidayed and Kos & Rhodes, and both were lovely, but figured for spending our retirement, maybe a little small, LOVE both islands though. We are headed to Corfu this year, and Crete next year
Future-Dance7629@reddit
My partner and I had a big daytime drinking sesh on Brighton beach and decided to move to Australia. 3 months later we arrived in Melbourne. That was 24 years ago. Best thing we ever did.
raven43122@reddit
My bro in law at 43 just moved to oz with no savings a wife and a child leaving all family friends behind.
Never could nail down an exact reason.
Im horrified by it.
JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo@reddit
The fact I could do the same job in the US for double the salary
onionsofwar@reddit
Yeah but if you do the maths does it still work out as better. US salaries are high because you're on your own. No safety net and you're paying a lot of cash for living costs and healthcare.
Factor in the distances travelled, fuel costa, lack of annual leave, dangerous food standards and culture of being expectwd to live beyond ones means and it seems like an awful deal.
LankyYogurt7737@reddit
Healthcare is usually included in your job benefits. You only have to pay for it if you’re unemployed.
PrestigiousBrush5122@reddit
Salaries in the the US are much more extreme along with benefits. If you're an engineer or white collar professional you will have significantly more money. Health insurance is federally mandated for full time positions and a decent job will give you 25/30 days PTO.
I did it and I see this cope all the time from Brits who for some reason accept the shitty salaries in the UK.
onionsofwar@reddit
Oh for sure UK salaries often suck. But what aluEd go be true was that what you don't get in personal wealth you get in some sort of shared wealth (rent controls, healthcare, etc)
ZaphodG@reddit
My employer paid most of my health insurance. I pay the rest with pre-tax money. I’m retired now. I have amazing socialized medicine. I pay around $5k in premiums. I can go to any doctor whenever I want. No queuing. After I pay $283 out of pocket, I don’t have any other costs than the monthly premiums.
If I’m unemployed, my state would be 30 weeks of unemployment benefits at US$ 1,105 per week. £824.
Our combined Social Security benefit is around £70,000. That’s not including our retirement portfolio of tax deferred savings.
My career average was a bit more than 4 weeks paid vacation per year and 12 to 15 paid bank holidays. I got my work done. Nobody cared if I took the occasional day off the books. I ski. I generally never worked on powder days. Doctor’s appointments. Family things. I usually worked long hours midweek and never worked weekends.
I eat organic food. I live next to a large fishing port. Last I knew, cod wasn’t dangerous. Or scallops. Or lobster. The cows I eat probably listened to Mozart. The same for the local organic chicken.
The US is great if you live in a blue state and have a 5%er job. It’s a lousy place to be poor. I know lots of expat Brits who became wealthy here. If you’re smart, well educated, and motivated, you will do well. A few engineers I worked with in Cambridge came here on corporate transfers years ago. They’re quite wealthy now.
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
I wish I had studied/trained in a high-demand profession and have done the same! Although I've been to the US twice as a visitor, I couldn't imagine living there forever. But I would have liked staying for a few years to make some good money and then coming back to Greece (my home country) to semi-retire.
My friend's parents went to the US and stayed for 10 years. They were partners in a restaurant in New Jersey. When they went back to Greece, they never had to work again. They built this villa, sent their kids to private schools and then were doing a bunch of stuff to fill in their time.
ChelseaDagger16@reddit
Common misconception. I ran the numbers factoring all of that factored in compared to the average pay of my job which is £60k doing data in London.
After that stuff I factored healthcare, car (if needed) plus a similar area in the city to where I live now in Brixton.
For each of: .
After all those expenses, I’d still be left with £12-15k per year more on average factoring all that, plus better healthcare.
onionsofwar@reddit
Lifestyle plus tips too?
Asadwords@reddit
If you’re earning a good US salary it comes with health cover for you and the family.
People are going to be moving to the US to be working McDonald’s are they?
Waste of time if you can’t get high skilled jobs out there.
Higher wages and lower cost of living in most states. UK is ridiculously expensive on a salary/bills ratio.
Someone in Ohio on 80k lives a better like than a brummie on 35k.
onionsofwar@reddit
Fair enough. I quite like the whole knowing you're probably won't get shot at school today feeling. Also the, even if I do get made redundant, I can go to a hospital.
I think things work great there if you're into status seeking and you stay on a good roll. If things go tits up, it seems like you end up as a toothless beggar.
No-Championship9542@reddit
The average American spends double what the average Brit spends on consumer goods, they are twice as rich on average, for the top 30% the difference is unbelievable. Like if you're in the top 10% of British earners you might go on holiday once a year, top 10% of Americans can own a helicopter
Splodge89@reddit
The bottom 30% of Americans live under bridges without access to healthcare….
No-Championship9542@reddit
The bottom 25% of Americans average income is $30,000, in Britain it's £20,800 so even after exchange rate American poors are what 30% better off?
dnf1957@reddit
And its full of Americans....🤣
JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo@reddit
Yes it does work out better. It may not have used to, but the UK has stagnated since 2008 while the US hasn't, so now the salaries there are that much better that it's not even a competition.
The average American pays like $120 a month for health insurance. Doubling my salary nets me a hell of a lot more than that.
The lack of mandatory annual leave is one of America's biggest drawbacks, but I'm talking about my job, and I know I could get decent annual leave doing my job abroad. And remote work.
Maximum_Diet_3284@reddit
And fuck the guns. Imagine sending your kids for gun school drills! This reason alone puts me completely off the US.
Splodge89@reddit
And spending that extra salary on healthcare. Oh, and ammunition.
ChelseaDagger16@reddit
A healthy year, basic checkups is $500 at most. Some doctor visits and prescriptions is $1500 or so. A bad year, scans/specialists/ER is going to be $5k depending on your plan.
Even if we premise a bad year and add $6k on, it’s about £370-400 a month, while even after expenses and the like you’re getting much more than that from a US equivalent job. Even if you do fall ill, it’s probably better to have the bad year in the US, as they have faster screenings for medical issues and better technology.
Fabulous-Waltz4456@reddit
U.S. health outcomes aren’t necessarily always better. The U.S. has significantly higher rates of infant mortality, maternal mortality, I think they out perform the UK in some cancer care… but not all. After experiencing both health care systems, I honestly prefer the UK.
ChelseaDagger16@reddit
There is a 0.14% point difference in babies dying per birth and 0.01% point difference in mother’s dying per birth. Obviously one death is too many, but those are razor thin margins of difference which may just be variance.
The five year survival rate of each of breast cancer is 4% points higher in US; colon cancer is 5% higher in US; rectal cancer is 2% higher in US; lung cancer is 8% points higher in US.
ChelseaDagger16@reddit
A healthy year, basic checkups is $500 at most. Some doctor visits and prescriptions is $1500 or so. A bad year, scans/specialists/ER is going to be $5k depending on your plan.
Even if we premise a bad year and add $6k on, it’s about £370-400 a month, while even after expenses and the like you’re getting much more than that from a US equivalent job. Even if you do fall ill, it’s probably better to have the bad year in the US, as they have faster screenings for medical issues and better technology.
JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo@reddit
How much do you think health insurance costs exactly?
Splodge89@reddit
Depends on your employer and whether they provide it. Out of pocket you’re looking at four figures a month easy.
Fabulous-Waltz4456@reddit
I lived in the states for 5 years, if you work for a good company health insurance is paid for/ subsidised (mine was, Americans call them “the golden handcuffs”) Often companies don’t kick in health insurance until you’ve worked there for a few months, when I left my company my health insurance out of pocket was 1.5k a month.
LegolasleChat@reddit
But you'd have to actually live in the US then, where even dogs are shooting people these days.
YhouZee@reddit
Prime r/nottheonion material. Wtf is even that place?
RandomUser22487@reddit
Less holiday time though, cost of living is way higher and healthcare costs are astronomical. As much as I love visiting the US, I don’t think I’d actually want to live there.
SeikoWIS@reddit
If they crack down on the Stocks & Shares ISA, I will start my plan to move to an EU country.
Battleborn300@reddit
I assume you have done your research on this.
Rather than ‘I will plan to move to an EU country’
I mean just by a quick google, it seems to be a generous allowance compared to certainly the biggest European countries, and I suspect you would be going somewhere where job opportunities are reflective or better than the UK.
Let’s be honest when you look into it, it’s unlikely the Government will reduce the level of stocks and shares ISA’s to make it worth moving, the cost and uncertainty if nothing makes is less worth it,
Unless you were already wanting to move abroad.
How about sensible head instead of ranting about uk government head. Haha
And I suspect you will stay for many more years.
SeikoWIS@reddit
Idk what you're on about. The only one ranting here is you.
Battleborn300@reddit
I didn’t rant I gave a fair assessment.
I was referring to the rant you likely had when the papers were reporting changes to ISA’s, and should they change it the future, the inevitable rant that will lead you to moving countries….. but as I say I suspect you won’t.
SeikoWIS@reddit
You're sure making a lot of assumptions based off one sentence. Sounds like you need some space to rant about something that's bothering you. Did you get it all out yet?
Battleborn300@reddit
Not really, I was trying to give you some friendly advice.
But I forget everyone on the internet is a little overly sensitive
SeikoWIS@reddit
Overly sensitive, indeed.
Do you think claiming I'm ranting about the UK gov and suggesting I should put on a 'sensible head'--based off one sentence when you know nothing about me--really "friendly advice"?
Anyway, hope you got something off your chest.
LankyYogurt7737@reddit
I left for a higher salary and better opportunities. When I moved to Toronto my salary for the same job doubled and I was able to rent my own space in the city instead of having to share in Zone 4.
xycm2012@reddit
Definitely wouldn’t do it for money. Went to Dubai for that reason, realised fairly quickly that the grass is absolutely not greener regardless of what social media might imply, and came back as soon as I contractually could. I would probably do it for pace of life and work life balance; I have a few friends who work in the Caribbean and Bermuda and it’s certainly tempted me seeing their lifestyles. But in all honesty, I probably wouldn’t move abroad again. Too much upheaval now with property and wife’s career to think about too. And I actually like where we live now (rural Scotland), it ticks a lot of the boxes.
ForsakenAd1732@reddit
Mother in law.
Prestigious_Bill1240@reddit
My family and friends would need to decide to move.
carrie-ser@reddit
Why are there always these questions? Such an obsession with the UK and leaving.
Direct-Key-8859@reddit
I like England but I don't like the culture or the people
I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS@reddit
What is it about the culture and people that you don't like? Have you met a representative sample of English people?
Direct-Key-8859@reddit
Born and raised.
In England we have a huge crabs in the bucket mentalitly. People are very eager to tear each other down rather than support or even ingore success
I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS@reddit
I agree with you, but it's absurd that you've generalised that statement to English people as a whole. There are almost 60 million of us.
Would you generalise this much about people from other countries?
Direct-Key-8859@reddit
If I was from said country and undrstood the culture than yes
I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS@reddit
But you clearly don't understand English culture because you think that the crabs in a bucket mentality - while it does undeniably exist - is representative of all 60 million English people.
SlavWife@reddit
I don't intend my question as an argument, but what is limiting young people socially or career wise? Isn't this more of a global trend and where would you say would be better?
ducksoupmilliband@reddit
So you like the architecture, infrastructure and agricultural environment?
Unlucky-Jello-5660@reddit
Better weather, better pay, any country thats not im managed decline like the UK.
lkap28@reddit
I love the thought of moving abroad - but honestly when I start thinking about specific reasons, it’s mostly just a change of scenery and experiencing a different way of life. The UK is not as shit as we make out (though I recognise that’s half the fun)
MayaHollis@reddit
I love the idea of moving abroad - but honestly when I start thinking about specific reasons, it’s mostly just a change of scenery and experiencing a different way of life. The UK’s not as shit as we make out (though I recognise that’s half the fun of...
GeeEmmInMN@reddit
That's a fact on the UK not being as bad as we think. I still love and miss the UK. It has so many good things about it.
callisstaa@reddit
I moved overseas a few years ago and while I do miss the UK I don't think I would want to return in a hurry. Everything is so expensive and it's very difficult to have a nice life there.
GeeEmmInMN@reddit
Food is cheaper than in the USA, but wages are higher here. But fuel prices! 😳 People here moaning at $4+ a gallon and I'm thinking "it's twice that in the UK".
Y2Ksurvivor13@reddit
The UK has always been great, it's the fatcats that make life difficult for the rest of us but the country itself and it's people, I can't fault
GeeEmmInMN@reddit
Isn't that the same just about everywhere? It's been us and them off centuries. Yes, the people are great. We have such a rich diversity that I'm glad I grew up in. Hoping to get back for a visit this year.
thsb21@reddit
I'm abroad at the moment and we are making it a 2 year "working holiday". Rented out the house at home, fully intending to move back in a few years, but until then it's nice to have an adventure.
YchYFi@reddit
Yeah I actually don't want to live elsewhere. I am quite content.
Other-Barry-1@reddit
This is it for me. A simpler life. Move to a nice sunny place, my own house/villa with a pool, nice countryside, nice people, enough infrastructure to live a quiet peaceful life.
MarkCairns67@reddit
Weather - would like more sun
Ageing population - would like somewhere that was more balanced
Piss-poor public transport (outside London)
Effin expensive housing - criminal to have such a large part of your assets locked up in a house
I only have a UK passport so can only live and work in the UK and Ireland.
mjratchada@reddit
You can live and work almost anywhere.
Weather - you live in a temperate climate, moving for more sun is often a mistake
Public transport - public transport is good and better than the majority of countries
Expensive housing - move to a poorer country
Ageing population - again move to a poorer country.
LordBoomDiddly@reddit
Ageing population is an issue in plenty of rich countries, look at Japan
mjratchada@reddit
Yes, which is why I mentioned moving to a poorer country.
Squire1998@reddit
Agree on the weather. I love Spain but I hate how partched the land looks when flying in.
Green country side >>> constant sunny weather
235iguy@reddit
I hate the vibe of Spain. Dry, arid, horrible. Feels like death.
Happy with UK weather.
Highspiritz9@reddit
You must be the joker of the year. The thing I can’t stand the most is the weather. You need to start travelling.
SixFiveOhTwo@reddit
Spain does have more life in the evenings though. I would've liked it if it wasn't for the fact that I tried to move their in 2009, which wasn't the best time as it turns out.
CaptainMoisty@reddit
You can get working holiday visas or work sponsor visas for a multitude of countries, depending on working background and age. I've just got a work sponsor visa to Australia, so I'm moving there in a couple of months to work. From rough Googling cost of living is like 11% higher over there but I'm going to be earning double the wage.
MarkCairns67@reddit
That's amazing.
Even if I had options, wouldn't be practically possible though. Got a wife and kids 😞 , the wife and I would never be able to agree on one country, and couldn't move the kids.
If I was by myself and I could live anywhere in the world (ignoring any practical issues), I'd pick Japan I think.
Straight-Buy-7434@reddit
We moved to Australia 2 years ago, thats with a wife and 2 kids, what captain moisty says is correct, rent is a bit higher but I earn over double and the weather is nice........houses have no insulation so its bloody cold in winter though, we will stay for 8 more years, save all the extra salary and come back to the UK for an early retirement
CaptainMoisty@reddit
Thank you, appreciated. That's very fair. Life is full of sacrifices, but I'm sure that's the best for you 🙂 It's been a life long dream of mine. Since coming back from backpacking Europe for 2 years in 2020, COVID hit and I got into a relationship so I was in a similar situation, except it was horses and dogs instead of kids 😂. But relationship broke down so I'm running away to the other side of the world haha. Japan would be awesome, I plan on visiting there at some point in the near future seeing as I'm that side of the globe anyway. I've heard it can be tough as an immigrant there though.
IamlostlikeZoroIs@reddit
Damn that’s cool, I’m jealous. I did a working visa in Australia for 2 year with my now wife and we loved it, was just before Covid hit so job security was terrible and didn’t get a sponsor by the end of it. I would love to move there but I’m not a skilled worker.
What is it you do and how did you get a sponsor?
Also Japan is awesome to visit but not so sure it would be great to live there.
CaptainMoisty@reddit
Ahh that's a shame, COVID really screwed a load of travel plans haha Nice you got to experience it tho! I do rope access, fixing wind turbines in the turbine season and stabilising cliffside when I'm not doing that
IamlostlikeZoroIs@reddit
Wow that’s pretty cool, thanks for the reply
CaptainMoisty@reddit
This sort of thing
Own-Jeweler3169@reddit
Nice what work are you going into? I love the idea of Australia, but the insects and things that could kill me really sours the taste.
CaptainMoisty@reddit
I'll be starting off doing cliff stabilisation stuff, hoping to get on fixing wind turbines after a bit tho. Haha that's fair. I'm very much not keen on spiders so we'll see how that goes
Own-Jeweler3169@reddit
Nice sounds exciting, I think you will be fine as I expect there aren't many spiders on top wind turbines, my scare is you wake up in the morning and there is a fuck off spider on the roof, or you're in the loo and a snake comes out the toilet and nibbles your malteasers. Too stressful for me mate.
CaptainMoisty@reddit
Idk, they're sneaky bastards, could be anywhere. I don't trust them. Yeahh, once I buy a house I plan on turning it into a hermatically sealing it haha
Own-Jeweler3169@reddit
😂 good luck to ya mate!
autofill-name@reddit
Great if your under 30, which is the age working visas cut off
CaptainMoisty@reddit
35 now
Complex_Anybody6319@reddit
Ageing populace? Try leaving Bournemouth, I don’t get this age vibe holistically across the UK. Sure, population is in slight decline I would deny the stats, but it’s not ever visible that we’re over run by OAPs.
MarkCairns67@reddit
Sure. I can only comment on the places I've lived in and my perception of how the government (all parties) priorities are increasingly focused on OAPs.
Complex_Anybody6319@reddit
I’ll agree there. OAPs have never had it better & it’s because they’re a strong voting block no one will go after.
Their rights & issues are a 2 fold issue as the average Joe sees them akin to vulnerable targets, so any infringement on their needs is a moniker for ‘evil ruling elite’ to the masses.
It’s why there was extra outrage for the winter fuel scrap, louder from the back - the perennial turkeys voting for Christmas; working age men & women outraged on the attack on their sweet & harmless nan.
lkap28@reddit
Transport is a good one! Especially when you factor in holidays too. It’s no one’s fault we’re an island, obviously, but it would be much more convenient to travel to other European countries by just jumping on a train - rather than car, train, shuttle, plane, taxi, and the same in reverse on the way back
HauntingCicada2630@reddit
You can jump on a train and be in France and onwards in very little time.
rober74@reddit
Do something about it, move to another country, the Uk is a great place to live.
MarkCairns67@reddit
Unfortunately, my wife and I would never be able to agree on one place for us and the little ones to move to.
getmyhousecoat@reddit
nz was awesome to grow up in , I went to school in Auckland and most people in my class were from Europe or East Asia and we were still all kiwi kids to the school , wed even all sing about being kiwi kids , we even had a dentist office and dentist at the school
AirlineSevere7456@reddit
Better money, better lifestyle, consistent weather, the usual suspects.
Due_Dot5710@reddit
Better money in Portugal? Really?
AirlineSevere7456@reddit
I'm in IT and yeah I earned more there in a year than I would two here in the UK.
sam_packer_03@reddit
You needed a better job in UK. I’m in UK doing over 240k in data architecture, good work is here, nowhere else in the world can you be paid so much and have a beautiful safe country with English as main language and nature on your door.
wongl888@reddit
Same here but in HK.
Delicious_Aside_9310@reddit
Cost of living bites you in the ass though. Idk if it works out much better all in, at least if you have a family. If you are single it’s worth it (I have also been there and back again).
wongl888@reddit
Not really if one were to avoid the expat areas and willing to eat local food. Even alcohol is dirt cheap outside of bars and restaurants. Just stock up and take it to the beach or roof top to drink. Tax is super low and only on salary income. There is no tax on dividends or capital gains on the money made on the stock market.
callisstaa@reddit
Is HK really that expensive?
I'm on the mainland and the low cost of living is one of the best things about living here.
Far-Importance1234@reddit
You were in the minority. I work and have many Portuguese friends who’ve moved here because the salaries in tech and other professions are significantly higher. Lisboa is also incredibly expensive these days. My friend is struggling and even regrets moving back to Lisbon
Own-Jeweler3169@reddit
IIRC the tax is lower there, it's like a middle ground tax haven? But it's hard to get recruited there, unless you can work remotely, usually with the big companies.
What job role do you have within IT out of interest?
Lastly, any jobs going? Lol.
AirlineSevere7456@reddit
I'm a software developer, helped create some corporate websites, was contracting and know a little Portuguese. I've been looking around myself as my current role sucks, the job market is slow at the moment all over.
Own-Jeweler3169@reddit
Nice I am also in IT, but IT PM atm, role also sucks, but i'd rather it sucking and having double the take home!
From what i've seen if you can secure a job over there it's great (self employed/big company) otherwise the market is rubbish and scary as if you lose your job you could be forced to leave due to visa.
Best of luck to ya mate.
Top-Cat-a@reddit
Portugal’s income tax is higher than the UK, but if you can get paid in dividend income you'll come out ahead of being in the UK.
monkey_kaleidoscope@reddit
Also tax is a bit more optional, I’ve heard stories of accountants being like “well how much tax you want to pay, 0 - some.. I’ll make it work”
skkkrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr@reddit
Also COL is way lower
duskinstorytimes@reddit
A lot of countries in continental Europe also have a lower cost of life, which means someone’s income buys them a better lifestyle. Salary isn’t the only indicator we have to consider when it comes to spending power.
Necrocatacomb@reddit
I love Portugal, I’ve been to loulé a few times
tola9922@reddit
Iv not found anywhere else that I’d want to live.
virusdancer@reddit
InformationHead3797@reddit
Wild escalation toward police surveillance state.
callisstaa@reddit
Im happy living in China tbh. At least we have cheap housing and fast trains with our authoritarianism.
InformationHead3797@reddit
The west loves to act as if it holds some kind of moral and political superiority but that’s honestly ridiculous.
Key-Performer6335@reddit
'The west'? who does that include because many countries operate very differently in the west. Also it's hypocritical that people want us to better prevent crime and immigration issues but want less surveillance.
From a surveillance perspective we're not even close to the authoritarian states.
I think humans actually haven't come to terms with living in large populations above 150 people. In order to manage societies at this stage and prevent crime etc you need surveillance, and one of biggest issues we currently have in preventing crime is how poor our systems communicate, and in order to improve this we would need less restrictions on data sharing and have a more centralised data controller. But we still struggle mentally as humans for obvious reasons.
People act like we're still living in small communities.
InformationHead3797@reddit
1) “the west” culturally speaking includes Central Europe, uk and USA traditionally.
2) I am not one of the people crying about immigration and preventing crime sounds like some dystopian bullshit, never asked for that. I’d rather we actually deal with the crimes and work on rehabilitation.
3) “we aren’t even close to authoritarian states”. Source? Plus, comparing a supposedly democratic stronghold to authoritarian states isn’t that big of a brag/win. Is as if I said: “oh you got punched in the face and threatened? That’s nothing compared to those that are lynched by a crowd and beaten to death!”.
4) completely agreed on your point about humans not being made to live and thrive in such big groups.
LordBoomDiddly@reddit
But not freedom
callisstaa@reddit
How much freedom do you have in the UK though unless you're loaded?
Freedom to eat at a decent restaurant every night? Freedom to walk alone through town without fear of getting your phone nicked? Freedom to travel for next to nothing?
Useful_Address8230@reddit
Freedom is subjective. If you have different view on life then UK can be considered very oppressive state. But that goes for any state.
yingdong@reddit
Freedom to use Reddit without a vpn?
callisstaa@reddit
This kinda proves my point though. I know which one I’d rather take.
I’ve also never had to do the face thing tbf.
TimeDangerous6091@reddit
🤡
CrossCityLine@reddit
!dick
MagusFelidae@reddit
I'm trans, lol
Mumofhooligans@reddit
I think about it a lot. I can't bare the idea of leaving family behind, pulling my children way from their friends and moving my son away from his biological father and that family. On the other hand, I have regrets about raising my children in this country.
I don't feel like they have any freedom at all here (I know that they would have more if I moved to a different area of the UK- but hours away by car vs hours away by plane would still mean that I would be taking my children away from their home.)
My partner and I work 10h a day, sometimes including weekends, and we don't earn enough money for a house that is big enough for us all, and we live month to month.
I'm not keen on our education system, I feel that it is very restrictive, and that is an insider's point of view as I am a teacher. However, I wouldn't want to homeschool, and we aren't financially stable enough to do so anyway.
And lastly, the traffic haha!
Maleficent_Notice764@reddit
As a first gen Brit all the talk of replacement honestly feels like it could get dangerous for me, and I can't see the economic improvement that is going to cheer everyone up the way it did from 97-2008.
Never once considered leaving before but as the online world is bleeding more into the real life world it's all getting a bit Goodbye to Berlin.
I have deep affection for the literature, sport, music and many of the kind, decent people, but as a nation its sinking into depression, isn't ageing well, and I won't stay where I'm not welcome for 12 months of the year.
Counting my days to retirement so I can minimise my time here and spend more time around people who may be from a culture I haven't grown up in, but aren't going to resent me for my phenotype.
Alive_Comment_2086@reddit
I'm also a 1st generation migrant in the UK, I've been here since I was 4 months old I am closing in on 35 years here. The UK is collapsing there's no two ways about it. I don't think this new cohort of arrivals is going to survive long, they'll probably leave even earlier than staying here for 35 years.
D-Cept@reddit
It cost me £75 to fill my petrol tank this morning.
cb0495@reddit
Woman in her 30’s here, not married and no kids. I don’t need any other reason I just need a bit more money and when I can I’m off.
cecidelillo@reddit
Just if I’m not allowed here anymore.
MeltingChocolateAhh@reddit
Better lifestyle, and affordable living.
If I wanted to get rich, I would have gotten a finance degree and moved to London or something, or got really good at selling then moved into sales/recruitment. Some careers in the UK can be very financially rewarding. But, for me, if I can get a job where half of my salary goes to surviving (rent, bills, transport) then the other half goes to living (food, Spotify, social, playstation/PC games), and I get a majority of my time each week to myself as defined by contract, I'm happy. Some jobs, I couldn't really do, sales/recruitment being one because they look so mind-numbing and fast ways to burn out.
I don't really understand what there is for most people here now. If you're from London, you're probably being priced out of London because someone doesn't want to agree to expand London and allow more people in there. It's no good relying entirely on statistics to say our country is crime-free when most violence just doesn't get reported, or it gets avoided because people know to keep away from certain areas at certain time but that doesn't make a safe community. Train prices are criminally high, so is car insurance. Inflation is higher than our salary increase each year. House prices are criminally high, but rent is only going to increase more, especially after this renters rights act (which I still think is long overdue) has came out. Councils want to turn town centres into office districts.
It's very tempting as I am certain that countries out there can offer me (a single male adult) the lifestyle at a good price, but I am at a point currently where I'm content with my current living situation I have worked hard to build for myself. I'm never going to bring generational wealth, and I don't care if I do or don't. I live in an area which I feel kind of safe living in. And, I am nowhere near a point that I'm ready to emigrate just like that.
Odd-Paramedic-3826@reddit
I have genuinely zero desire to live elsewhere. people keep suggesting I should do tefl or go work in australia but i don't want to. I like it here? even if the opportunities might be better elsewhere why should I leave?
fukthefeed@reddit
I’ve lived in Melbourne, Hong Kong and Toronto. All great, all work related, all for years and always for the money.
sidewaysduck_@reddit
I'm gay - if the country came to the point where it wasn't safe here anymore for LGBTQ+ people - I'd leave. I think we all know it's coming close...
yingdong@reddit
Surely there aren't many countries that are more gay friendly?!
Thailand maybe? I guess the Netherlands if you're looking at Europe.
Routine_Jackfruit_38@reddit
Racism.
apeliott@reddit
I left decades ago because I hated the weather and I was bored.
Zubi_Q@reddit
Very jealous! Japan is my dream country to live in
rustytromboneXXx@reddit
Why do you say that?
RainyAsphalt@reddit
What's your experience moving there? It's my end goal too. I'm not going to pretend it's not for the pop culture, but also quality of life, relative safety (of course it's over exaggerated a bit, it has its own issues and no country is entirely safe, but I'd still say it's better than most places), and an actual arts industry. The general culture suits me better too. I already live far away from my actual hometown in the UK with it being unrealistic to move back, so that bothers me less too.
rustytromboneXXx@reddit
I moved here just out of my teens and haven’t experienced adult life anywhere else. So, I’m not well able to make comparisons. And, you know I just live here! It’s hard to sum that up. If you have more specific questions I can have a go at them.
Zubi_Q@reddit
Just love the country! I went for my 30th in 2017 and fell in love with it. Love everything about the culture and japanese food is my favourite cusuine. Funnily enough, going to a Japanese restaurant tonight with friends 😄
rustytromboneXXx@reddit
Love the enthusiasm!
Go on and do it!
Zubi_Q@reddit
I work in finance. Wouldn't that be very difficult in Japan? Don't know the language at all, beside basic phrases.
Also, I've seen the flats in Japan. They are always really small
rustytromboneXXx@reddit
Yes, almost impossible I would say unless you either get your Japanese up or get transferred. The transfer situation id guess (not my field) would be limited to upper management these days, and those jobs might not require the language.
But come visit at least, with the way then yen is you could stay for a bit and not be too pressed.
Zubi_Q@reddit
Would love to stay for like 3 months. Only done Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto and Nara
rustytromboneXXx@reddit
I’m a fan of Fukuoka. Give that a run as a homemade.
Splodge89@reddit
Why? Monstrously expensive housing, weird working conditions and expectations, a culture of subservience and fear of law enforcement - but having to put on a face of happiness whenever you’re out.
Doesn’t sound like much of a dream to me.
pineappleonpizzableh@reddit
Have you ever been to Japan or repeating things you've read in a 10-20 year old blog?
Housing is infinitely more affordable than here.
Working conditions are worse there - probably.
A culture of "subservience" isn't necessarily a bad thing, there's a reason why they can have nicer public things without some degenerate vandalising it or smashing it up for fun.
Fear of law enforcement - so you think a system whereby frequent law breakers (big or small in scale) largely goes unpunished to the extent that it's more worthwhile to take the risk than be a law abiding citizen is a good alternative? Only a regular non-abiding citizen would fear this.
Lets not even get into the shitty public transport (yes, even London is mediocre at best in comparison), the amount of dregs in society that can't keep to themselves or the absolute awful value for money you get when it comes to food/entertainment.
apeliott@reddit
How long have you lived in Japan?
rustytromboneXXx@reddit
Yep agree with this, but that’s not to say jp life is flawless, just that the poster above probably hasn’t lived here (or not for long).
Zubi_Q@reddit
I'm aware of the issues, just like every country does except the Nordic ones.
As per my other comment, love Japanese culture, media and food.
ExternalAttitude6559@reddit
You think Nordic countries don't have 'issues'? Hate to break it to you, but they most certainly do.
mjratchada@reddit
That does not match reality.
MushroomVolcano@reddit
Left 12 years ago to Thailand, came back between 2019-24 and have been back in Thailand since. I'll come back for a couple of weeks during the Euros in 2028. England is miserable and depressing most of the year. I'm now 34 don't feel I'm missing out at all. Each of my two main groups of friends only meet up every 6 weeks or so as it's expensive and they have kids and/or wives. Here I see my friends multiple times a week and live on a tropical island.
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
Curious how you ended up there and what do you do to support yourself? For some reason, such distance places are out of the question for me as I'd have no idea what to do there to survive. Unless I had an online job.
MushroomVolcano@reddit
Went solo to the World Cup in Brazil, continued backpacking as planned. Ended up a few months later in Thailand. On the first island I met my wife. She came back with me 2019-24 and has a British passport. Now I work online for her family's business which is on the island. Benefits of being the only native speaker in the family.
floralaurora@reddit
I don't even need one id go tomorrow but some reasons are Weather Lack of culture Fear of never experiencing another way of life Too much focus on the rat race, capitalism Everything is too expensive rent food Lack of diversity/acceptance
skloop@reddit
I wouldn't. Just moved back after a decade abroad
Boo_Hoo_8258@reddit
I moved to norway with my husband and given the first opportunity I would love to move back to the UK.
FartleBarfle@reddit
Where were you? We are on holiday right now and thinking, I could just stay here! But I know the reality is so different when it's permanent. I want to tell my brain that
lumiere108@reddit
Finally, I am about to leave the UK after 20 years because I fell in love with someone’s, he doesn’t speak English, so I have to move in order to be together😊
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
How romantic! I hope everything goes great 😊
No_Olive_2785@reddit
Better weather, lower energy costs, lower fuel prices, less tax, less illegal immigrants
Significant-Fan7218@reddit
I lived abroad for close on 15 years. Been back 20. I ain't going anywhere.
Been to 45 countries, lived and worked in 7. This is home, and I love it.
Well, unless it became a fascistic dystopia, then I'd nope off to Ireland, or somewhere else in Europe/ SE Asia.
Suspicious_Skill_558@reddit
Mostly to escape miserable British people, but also being able to afford a normal house with a reasonable size garden would be nice :) I'm sure every country has it's issues though that you don't experience as a tourist.
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
😂😂😂 there's some dour folk here ngl
NoCatch2153@reddit
Holiday in the sun
isve99@reddit
been through quite a bit and just want to start a better life for myself. would like to move to spain and im going to make it one of my goals
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
I wish you good luck!
snoozed68@reddit
The depressing weather, grey skies all the time, its just awful 😖
AndyBe11@reddit
Weather, Health, Money, Love. In that order today.
Parking_Analysis9339@reddit
Currently in the UK but I plan to leave towards the end of the year. I've already spent a number of years living in both Japan and China, but I came back to study and will be leaving again when I finish soon.
As for the reasons why, I think they're pretty similar to a lot already mentioned here; standard of living, low wages, high taxes, expensive cost of living, bad weather, crumbling infrastructure, poor healthcare, and poor social mobility among over things.
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
I feel you! I moved here from Greece q decade ago for a better future but now I also feel like leaving for the reasons you mentioned.
Bloverfish@reddit
If they keep trying to stop me accessing my money from the bank.
I'm one of those who spent most of his life paying for everything in full and saved a lot of money from investing in stocks and shares. Now I'm at 60, I'm being constantly asked why I'm withdrawing money if it's over a certain amount from my bank even though they can see how much money I have on their computer systems. I like my privacy and don't like to discuss how I spend my own money.
If this attitude carries on, then I am thinking of withdrawing it all to cash and moving away.
Maleficent_Notice764@reddit
Well done on preparing for the future mate, I look up to people like yourself!
Thin_Pin2863@reddit
To escape the hayfever 🤧
Expert-Tie-1530@reddit
Massive lottery win
Ashamed_Housing7489@reddit
Moving to south east Asia. Market culture. Cost of living and friendly smiling faces. Plus the weather
sexycoldturtle@reddit
Money, and I did that in 2019
imtiramisu2025@reddit
I grew up in Greece and its the only place id be tempted to move to. To an island not a city. Reason being that all my family is there including my English family and in my experience there is a bigger sense of community. I feel loved and not lonely even when around strangers in greece.
Other than that I love living in England.
However if I had unlimited money and i didnt need to work id love to live in Rome. Something about that place makes me feel so alive even though usually i prefer a quiet rural setting.
Silmarillien@reddit (OP)
I'm originally from Greece! The sense of community and closeness is definitely something I miss from there.
gregredmore@reddit
Much as I love visiting Rome the hottest couple of months in the year is pretty unbearable....
imtiramisu2025@reddit
Thats a good point actually. Ive never visited during the summer months only spring autumn and winter
gregredmore@reddit
In August it is a very humid 42 DegC. You spend the whole time pouring with sweat. The old Romans did an anazing job at providing water fountains all over the city that can still be used today. So you won't ever get dehydrated. The Romans use to leave Rome in August 😂 I do love Rome, though. I hope I will go back for a 3rd visit someday.
Flatcapspaintandglue@reddit
What’s life like there for your family? Is unemployment a problem?
imtiramisu2025@reddit
Job prospects are not great and its one thing id really struggle with. People have to work like dogs for not a lot and no-one follows any employment laws. Atleast not on the islands, im not sure what work on the mainland is like.
They all do a mix of things. I have family who work seasonal jobs only. Others in construction, one cousins owns a coffee shop. Others in retail. I have an uncle who works as a mayor.
Flatcapspaintandglue@reddit
Aye that’s rough. But I gotta say, my career prospects are hardly booming here at the moment! If I had family there I’d be tempted too
No_Volume8304@reddit
political reasons
Efficient_Visual4317@reddit
Long story short, I moved to the UK in 2018 to attend university. One of the main reasons I chose to move here was because I believed people were more open-minded when it came to diversity. Back home in Romania, people often judge you and tend to interfere in your personal life.
At the beginning, it was amazing. I was surrounded by people from many different countries on campus, the lecturers were welcoming and flexible, and everything felt very inclusive, especially as an immigrant.
However, over time, particularly after COVID, I feel that things have changed. The rise of right-wing political movements has made me feel less welcome. It seems that some people are now more comfortable expressing prejudice in public, whether it's because of someone's skin colour, the way they dress, or their accent.
Even though I have not personally experienced much direct racism because I am white, I often notice a change in attitude when speaking to some British people once they realise I am an immigrant. Although I am here legally, have always paid my taxes, work full-time, and run side businesses, there are times when I still feel judged and unwelcome.
I know this is not how everyone feels, and I have also met many kind and welcoming people in the UK. However, compared to when I first arrived, I do feel that the atmosphere has changed, and that can sometimes be discouraging.
TJTheGamer1@reddit
For a Job honestly. The Job market in this country is in ruins and if I could secure a position abroad doing what I'm trained in I would go. As for where, I'd love the Netherlands or somewhere in Scandinavia or Japan.
Electrical-Fix-1727@reddit
Culture that hates success and encourages status quo and mediocrity on the grounds of race, sex, political leaning, or anything that you can use to segregate people into buckets. Used to be the best of Europe and the states, now it is the worse
BarryBongzz@reddit
I live in Chester, so I've got countryside all around me, I can get to larger cities within 40 mins if required or head into Wales in 2 minutes. With all them perks & having all my family & friends here, I don't think I could ever move abroad permanently. If I had to, maybe somewhere like Hawaii as we've recently been and it was nice, but I would feel like an outsider.
Shitelark@reddit
Cheshire. The best place to ride a bike, and the best cheese.
MudNext5256@reddit
gestures widely
Shitelark@reddit
John Travola Pulp Fiction gif
Disastrous_Scene_666@reddit
What at?
daneview@reddit
We're not allowed to talk about it in here
Disastrous_Scene_666@reddit
Ah, you mean you're a racist. Got it.
Disastrous-Town6151@reddit
So quick to start pulling buzzwords. There are many things wrong with the UK that don't include immigration. Roads, infrastructure, the extrordinary incompetence of our public servants...
Disastrous_Scene_666@reddit
He said things you aren't allowed to mention here, he means brown people. Racism isn't a buzz word.
daneview@reddit
Quite the opposite. The only reason I could see me leaving is if far right parties get into power. I wont live under that
I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS@reddit
They don't know. It's just the popular reddit opinion.
Unbeknownsttooyou@reddit
Weather's shit, economy is shit, house prices are shit, the people are becoming increasingly shit...
It's just fucking shit really
coffeewalnut08@reddit
Why do you say the people are shit? Seems like an overgeneralisation
I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS@reddit
People spend too much time online and forget that the millions of normal people are out there quietly, getting on with life.
prince_vorkken@reddit
People aren't "quietly getting on with life". There's absolutely horrendous people living here.
I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS@reddit
Yes, there are. Just like there are horrendous people living everywhere. Do you actually, completely seriously believe that not a single person is just quietly minding their own business? Reddit is not representative of the real world.
Unbeknownsttooyou@reddit
It sure is. Truer than not though
barrynl@reddit
I love your British optimism. I’m right there with you time to leave.
Shitelark@reddit
Asteroid impact.
Acrobatic-Watch-8037@reddit
UK is pervaded by a culture of snobbery that is actively hostile to new ideas and non-conformance.
I'm strongly considering moving to AU; doesn't suffer from the aforementioned problem, healthcare is about the same quality as NHS except not at imminent risk of collapse or privatisation, energy is on track to be effectively free thanks to solar and storage buildout (29% in 2021 to 40% in 2024), politics is dominated by a true party of labour with very little chance of the right making inroads - and of course, no miserably dark and cold winters.
White_Swiss@reddit
I am already putting plans in place to leave. Mainly the people - I like some individuals, but as a collective, Brits are really unpleasant to be around. Also rubbish everywhere - I can't believe people are content living in their own shit like that.
LordBoomDiddly@reddit
Thing is, where would you go?
America? - crazy country, nice for a holiday but I'd never live there. Terrible holiday, maternity leave, food standards & healthcare.
Europe? - language barrier, sliding further towards the right in terms of politics.
Australia? - Expensive, hot, crazy wildlife, treat the natives badly.
Asia? - Also language barrier, also very hot or very wet, some places have poor human rights records, Japan is very advanced technologically but very outdated socially.
So what are we left with? Maybe Canada?
The UK isn't perfect but it has so much it does well vs other countries.
this-guy-@reddit
On the run from the law, for a crime I didn't commit. I travel the world collecting clues. Chased by a shadowy government agency. The head honcho seems suspiciously keen to put me away.
That would be one reason. Theoretically.
antonylockhart@reddit
Gestures around.
As soon as I secure overseas work, I’m gone
nfurnoh@reddit
I wouldn’t. I emigrated to the UK 24 years ago from the US and settled in Yorkshire and absolutely love it here. There’s nowhere else I’d rather live.
Far-Importance1234@reddit
Yeah same but I come from Australia.
GeeEmmInMN@reddit
I moved from Nottinghamshire to Minnesota in 2011. I love it here, but I've definitely never considered citizenship here. I might be back. 😁
nfurnoh@reddit
Minnesota has had it rough. You alright?
GeeEmmInMN@reddit
Fine thanks. Rural southeast has been quiet. Currently awaiting 'green card' renewal. Wife says I'm pushing it when I wear my 'I Am An Immigrant' t-shirt. 😁
Competitive-Bag-7223@reddit
Thanks bill
AlabamaShrimp@reddit
And yours is the best answer on here. Why would anyone want to move from the UK let alone Yorkshire.
That_University_8028@reddit
I did leave around four years ago for Eastern Europe. Weather, prices, general living costs, streets are extremely safe, and food. You always think the grass is greener on the otherside but when you leave you start to realise how good the UK is. We have systems in place, polite, good drivers, work places have basic rights and rules, and now the prices match the UK even in terms of housing in a decent city and food is now cheaper back in the UK. Every country has it's problems and it's only after living there for sometime you get to know them and appreciate what we have back in the UK.
Sharp_Spite@reddit
Bureaucracy.
Honestly. The amount of hoops one has to jump through for everyday things is insane here compared to other countries. In business, it’s even worse! I’ve moved one of my businesses to Europe to avoid this as it was becoming restrictive. I can’t imagine being a new start up these days.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
I think Thailand could be a good place to live
Meanwood53@reddit
I'm 26, work in a fairly standard job for a national charity, qualified as a teacher and my partner has a decent job working for a fashion company. We are planning to move to Spain next year. Lots of reasons to move to Spain specifically as it is a beautiful country etc but we increasingly just don't feel tied to the UK the way that a lot of people will have been in the past. We both come from towns which have nothing going on in them, no jobs or opportunity etc. So we have both moved to a large northern city and pay silly rent for a fairly run down house with very little chance of us saving a deposit any time soon. We're not hard done by but really can't afford to do that many nice things and generally just aren't that enamoured with life here.
In contrast, the jobs we are looking at in Spain vs their cost of living look like they will afford us a decent apartment in Valencia without a crazy price tag, a generally more laid back culture where people go out many nights through the week, and just generally I am growing a bit tired of the increasing toxicity of British culture in some ways. I in no way dislike the UK; its an amazing country with a beautiful history and all the rest of it. There's just not that much tying me here and increasingly feel that many people in the UK have a closed-minded, whinging mentality and I wouldn't mind getting a way from it for a few years.
Snoo_53312@reddit
Unless there were some kind of apocalyptic Scotland-centred disaster, we're not leaving for anything. We enjoy travelling, but love coming home even more.
Benjamin-108@reddit
Britisc people
coffeewalnut08@reddit
I wouldn’t. I like it here
Benjamin-108@reddit
85% of those groups are British, the issue is the British
Localone2412@reddit
I moved my family overseas 15 years ago and my wife and I are In the progress of moving back. A lot of personal things have happened that were the catalyst but honestly I’m super looking forward to being ‘home’. Speaking my own language, having a nice banter with people, having a great Indian curry on a Friday night. Yeah I will miss somethings and we made some great friends but it’s time to change
ZombieGash@reddit
Somewhere where there’s hardly any people. I’m quiet, I keep myself to myself so I wouldn’t be any bother. Uk is getting too overpopulated, too much crime, hate anything political. I would just like a life of peace and quiet
Organic-Schedule1989@reddit
I get it, I’m the same way keeping to myself, not bothering anyone yet trouble always seems to find me.
prince_vorkken@reddit
It's the environment. The UK has gone severely downhill. I knew I wasn't the only one desperate to get out.
Organic-Schedule1989@reddit
Back in the 90s, things were nothing like they are today corrupt government, useless police, knife crimes, and the list goes on. I remember when you could go out without worrying about whether you’d get stabbed or not.
Alive_Comment_2086@reddit
I am a native of a small population country and also considering leaving the UK for the same a smaller population country.
Soniq268@reddit
Having lived in Singapore and Aus, I left the UK the first time in my mid 20ies. I was ready for an adventure, wanted to travel while still being able to build my career. Which I did. I came back to the UK 4 years ago but have always said I’d move again if the right role came up. I work for a global firm so keep an eye out for interesting roles.
Pre the absolute shit show that is the Americas, I wanted to go to Mexico or Buenos Aries because my company has an operational structure there similar to how we operate across the UK and Egypt/India and my experience/skills would align with a role there, but tbh with so much unrest, until the orange maniac is no longer there I wouldn’t consider it.
um-nome-@reddit
As someone in Singapore now I can't imagine ever wanting to move back to the uk for any reason, what made you go back?
Soniq268@reddit
I lived there for 10 years absolutely loved it, I’m glad you do too!
I had the opportunity to move to Sydney with work so decided to take it, then Covid hit and Aus was absolutely horrendous to do lockdown in, I was made redundant twice during covid and the stress of my living situation being dependant on a visa tied to my employer and lockdown in general I decided to move back to the UK and have a bit of a reset and decide what to do next… somehow 4 years have passed and I’m still here but I’m pretty happy so would only move again for something really interesting workwise.
HannahBell609@reddit
I moved from the UK to Ireland. I'm a teacher so I have better pay here, better work-life balance, longer holidays, and more choice and trust over what I teach. My home town in England just feels like it's been left to the dogs
Complete-Painting307@reddit
I probably wouldn't, I see many major issues here that are worse or just as bad in counties I would want to go.
I mean it feels like something that really most people will decide for themselves. I think most people would have very different reasons.
Housing is my main concern, other then that im happy with my lot. Im not very ambitious and I couldn't do my job in another country.
YouCantGiveBabyBooze@reddit
the rise of fascism
DloBrown69420@reddit
Big Brother state
Cost of living is ridiculous
Shitty weather
Dry_Pick_304@reddit
Lol.
DloBrown69420@reddit
Better than the UK
Beneficial_Trip7709@reddit
Has the UK executed protestors in the street?
Dry_Pick_304@reddit
I get what you are saying and you mean more recently, but yea quite a few in Northern Ireland.
LuckInternational336@reddit
Money
sichuan_pepper@reddit
I left in 2014, returned briefly in 2016 and left again - all work related, I felt I had more opportunity abroad, I could learn more than I would be able to in the UK and as I grew up in a family who had also lived abroad, it felt like an experience I wanted to have for myself too.
Would I come back? I was asked that today too. I honestly don’t know.
theleanmeangreenbean@reddit
If I had the money id leave the UK for literally any reason whatsoever
12NotesAC@reddit
Money. Switzerland.
UnacceptableUse@reddit
Switzerland has the highest cost of living in the world doesn't it?
12NotesAC@reddit
Hence part one of my answer.
Weekly_Branch_1997@reddit
Weather. And sea that isn't brown.
Hailtothedogebby@reddit
Would love to leave, but no idea what kinda amount of money id need to have before i could try. I have family here but we live so far from each other and my social life died after COVID so not much holding me here anymore
imokaytho@reddit
Cost of living, crime, weather, low salary, litter, rats, foxes, paying too much tax, stand still traffic, house and rent is too expensive.
The only upside is free healthcare and you can get a second opinion from a doctor now but with 8+ hours in A&E I'd just rather pay for it.
coffeewalnut08@reddit
Violent crime has declined in the last few decades
imokaytho@reddit
Depending on where you live, in my area it has risen
Abject-Plankton4620@reddit
Always dreamt of living in SW France, still do, and I’ll make it some day. But agree with a lot of people, we love to run the place down but generally the UK is a great place to live
YouCantGiveBabyBooze@reddit
apparently I can't give a political reason?
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Pedantichrist@reddit
If I did not have family here, I would leave, so I suppose ‘to follow my family’ is the only answer.
eralcilrahc@reddit
The offer of a better life elsewhere
clrthrn@reddit
Already left. Better lifestyle, more money, and a better place for my kid to grow up (like an 80s childhood in terms of freedom). But….the weather is the same, the supermarkets are absolutely shit and it’s a bit concretey overall. I miss UK nature. I think wherever you go, there’s good and bad. It’s just where’s better for you overall.
FruitKooky4022@reddit
Cost of living, housing prices, weather, and stagnant wages are probably the biggest reasons people consider leaving. Personally, better weather + lower living costs would be a strong argument.
ProtectionGlass8110@reddit
Litter, more open space…there are too many people here - nothing about immigration I’d feel like there was too many if without extras…
dontcrosby@reddit
im a huge ice hockey fan and about to work a job inside it so i'd like to eventually move somewhere that ice hockey is more popular
Y2Ksurvivor13@reddit
Insane cost of living compared to places with better weather and a more relaxed pace of life
LostInTheVoid_@reddit
Even with a large windfall of money I wouldn't move tbh. I'd certainly look elsewhere for perhaps a holiday home situation but other than that no?
Anywhere that also speaks English as the native language has too many shortfalls compared to staying in the UK. And any of the countries say in Northern Europe where English is spoken by a significant amount of the population look good on paper but also have their fair share of issues.
Antergaton@reddit
Wealthy enough to sit in the south of France or Italian coast to relax and drink red wine from the local vineyard on a warm day all the time.
But will still own a home here. It's where my family and friends are.
franki-pinks@reddit
No reason. I’ve got enough money to go live pretty much anywhere in the world. I’ve been to over 70 countries. Non of them were better than here apart from perhaps Norway and Denmark but I don’t think the day to day would be as good.
As long as I never have to go anywhere south east of Oxford I love this country.
justcoatesy@reddit
For a more relaxed life. Fell in love with Canada a few years back and have been returning at least once, sometimes twice each year.
I love the beauty, the friendliness, the relaxed feeling I have every time I’m there.
The thought of doing huge road trips across Canada really appeals to me. There is so much to see and I want to take it all in.
Going back again in August but spending 2 weeks in Quebec, where I haven’t been yet.
I like the UK, I prefer Canada.
LolaWithTheGreenEyes@reddit
For somewhere colder in the summer. I can't be doing with this heat. I'm like a Stark in King's Landing. 🥵
_FreddieLovesDelilah@reddit
Ungrateful
LolaWithTheGreenEyes@reddit
How so?
SpongeFixation@reddit
Depends on how far the people with the light blue flags with arrows on them get.
Lynvor@reddit
Probably a lottery win.
The stress and bereauracy of mocing county is simplified if I am wealthy.
Cool-Row837@reddit
A functioning healthcare system
heypresto2k@reddit
I would never leave except to take vacations.
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
For a certain event likely to happen in 3 years. Though, I've always had wanderlust regardless. The only reason I stay is for my wife.
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Deep_Age_304@reddit
Weather. Spain, Portugal or Italy.
Purple_Budgie29@reddit
The weather, it’s not a great country for outdoor activities and when the weather changes it just puts your whole mood and motivation down the drain, I’d love to be more outdoorsy for most of the year but we get like 3months of normality then back into the cold again.
TedBurns-3@reddit
When English becomes second language as already happening in too many places
OJStrings@reddit
Which places are these? Honestly
sgehig@reddit
That has literally not happened anywhere.
TedBurns-3@reddit
Then you need to get out more cos unfortunately it literally has 🙄
sgehig@reddit
Hearing people speak other languages did not make English the countries second language.
PM_ME_UR_VULVASAUR_@reddit
In his head, he hears someone speaking Arabic on the phone to a friend once in a while and it means "the browns" are coming to get him. GB News tells him that English is a second language? It's a fact.
sgehig@reddit
My comment got removed because mods can't get sarcasm 😭
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Was wondering where it went! Silly mods.
sgehig@reddit
That one street in town is full of browns, they've taken over our whole neighbourhoods!
TedBurns-3@reddit
Again, not what I said
lunchbox3@reddit
The irony of moving abroad to avoid other languages is quite something…
TedBurns-3@reddit
You do realise there's many other countries that speak English?!!
PM_ME_UR_VULVASAUR_@reddit
Try England.
PM_ME_UR_VULVASAUR_@reddit
"I'm moving to Spain, I'm sick of English being a second language!"
Thick. As. Fuck.
TedBurns-3@reddit
You literally are, as no one said Spain except you
PM_ME_UR_VULVASAUR_@reddit
"Literally"
NorthernblokeUK@reddit
Wales?
Savvymundo@reddit
Literally hasn't happened anywhere, but if you think it's already happening then when are you going?
TeenyWeenyQueeny@reddit
Quality of life and wanting to experience a different culture.
I’m a proud Brit but I find people in this country to be way too cynical and pessimistic at times, which can be grating when you’re an optimistic person. As someone that has travelled frequently, I find southern European countries to be way more communal minded and high spirited so I’d move there.
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keyholes@reddit
I've just emigrated to Belgium. Never thought I would, but I fell in love with a Belgian, so it made sense.
Familiar9709@reddit
Better lifestyle, social life, weather, etc, somewhere like Spain
SwimmingQuantity8686@reddit
More money, and ability to work in the mainland Europe without visa.
Lopsided-Shape-8266@reddit
Having known people who have moved and people who want to and haven’t I think the big two barriers are family and money. For some people family ties prevent them from leaving, for many it is money.
Another aspect which also affects moving within the UK is if the person is the kind who prefer the known (I know a lot of older folk who never left the place they grew up due to a ‘better the devil you know’ and/or risk adverse mindset. There is also the grass always looks greener on the otherside of the fence.
For me if family and money were not a concern I would want to travel the world and live in many different places.
RaidersGunz@reddit
To go to a warmer climate and to get away from youths / yound adults with no decorum or respect.
MinimumCut140@reddit
Yes. If my wife isn't able to become a citizen. Though neither would return to her country, so who knows where!
andrew0256@reddit
That ageing population will be you one day.
You will find that is an issue in most developed countries now and will be in some others over your lifetime. Personally I think it is a good thing because the planet is overpopulated and exhausting it's resources. Yes it will cause problems but they can be worked through.
CometGoat@reddit
If rules were changed so my Italian wife couldn’t get indefinite leave to remain in a couple years, then I’d get my italian passport and go somewhere where we can actually be secure as a family
Fayebie17@reddit
I couldn’t ever leave. I love the countryside here.
TapeDeckSlick@reddit
Doubt I would bar holidays. My entire life, family & friends are here.
Hephaestite@reddit
It’s interesting for me seeing a few comments like this because for me at no point did any of that come into consideration. My friends and family are in the UK but I’m living life for me not them.
OddSign2828@reddit
There’s a difference between independent and lonely. I don’t want to set up my social life from scratch again.
Equal-Passion-5760@reddit
My problem is my girlfriend doesn’t want to leave the uk because of her family, me tho I only speak to my family a few times a year and only really see them once every few years so it’s not a problem to me
TapeDeckSlick@reddit
Being able to spend time with my family and friends IS for me.
Mortal_Mad_Matt@reddit
I was thinking the same. To each their own obviously, but my friends and family are incredibly important to me, I love spending time with them. I don’t wanna leave them.
GoldenSonOfColchis@reddit
Yeah, it would basically require that my entire family and all of my friends collectively choose to move elsewhere.
Netlifeathome@reddit
Climate and Space would be my biggest things. Most likely Australia as spend a lot of time there anyway.
FederalAd329@reddit
If my partner wanted to move or if I couldn't find a job (but found a job in another country)
KarlArmstrong9221@reddit
I wouldn’t. The country is mostly great but has its downsides, but once you realise everywhere else also has its downsides and moving abroad isn’t a 365 day a year holiday, it’s an easy decision to stay here.
Equal-Passion-5760@reddit
I’ve been thinking about it since I was a teen, I’ve never felt any connection to the culture here and would love to find somewhere with a culture I’ll be able to fit into
UnrivalledPG@reddit
Iam leaving in 5 years once I hit my retirement number in my ISA. Among the reasons is the NHS . The UK is purely for accumulation in my eyes and means to an end.
Hephaestite@reddit
The NHS is a reason for leaving?
UnrivalledPG@reddit
Yes. I pay taxes and yet I have to wait forever to be seen .
Hephaestite@reddit
You’ll find it worse in plenty of other places
IUsedToLikeLimericks@reddit
Weather and pace of life would be the only draws for me. UK is a lovely place and despite having seen much of the world my family, home and cars are here.
Alexboogeloo@reddit
I lived abroad for a few years and honestly didn’t miss a thing about the UK. Apart from decent bacon.
However, when I returned home and enjoyed the first spring I’d had in years, I suddenly realised what I missed. The seasons. The changes in daylight. The cosy pub fires in winter. Certain feelings that are indescribable but ping you right back to your childhood. Feelings of being free and unburdened.
So would I live abroad again? Probably.
I’d love to be living in low to mid 20celsius all year round but there’s a price to pay somewhere. Sometimes it’s just a feeling in your soul that you lose…..
Wide_Tune_8106@reddit
If I had the money to then I would. It's not good here. Maybe it's just where I live but lack of opportunity, crime, loads of other things.
AcceptableAir5364@reddit
I went to Dublin last year for a gig
Special-Audience-426@reddit
Because my kids are old enough. That's all I'm waiting for.
Temporary-Zebra97@reddit
If I ever earn so much that tax becomes an issue I would be heading off for a tax haven.
itsheadfelloff@reddit
Just opportunity. If I knew I could get a visa and a job that'd let me live my existing lifestyle I'd go. If I had those the only thing keeping me here are my family.
Eyoopmiduck@reddit
Weather (grey skies and intermittant rain - depressing)
Litter, fly-tipping and dog mess everywhere (depressing)
Run down high streets and boarded up shops.
cactusdotpizza@reddit
The Netherlands has become one of our go-to holiday destinations with kids because:
It sounds like I'm being superficial, but being able to get about locally is a silver bullet for so many things. Moving there would be incredibly difficult and expensive but it's the only place that offers something that isn't lying on a beach or seeing pretty old buildings 365 days a year
This-Disk1212@reddit
I wouldn't move but it is nice to think of being somewhere more child friendly where you can go out with toddlers and kids in the evenings and there's lots of families around and they aren't all put to bed at 7pm.
staybackz@reddit
To expensive for no reason everything has tax but it's pointless tax
GeeEmmInMN@reddit
I did. In 2011. My wife is from Minnesota. It's been a great experience and has shown me some wonderful things. However, we're considering retirement in Scotland right now.
calmeilles@reddit
For what to me seems to be a better quality of life even if financially it was poorer.
Oh, and to be able to learn the language through total immersion.
If I had the means, work, remote work or retiring the place would be Sicily so the languages would be Italian and Sicilianu.
Rhyobit@reddit
I saw a tik tok this morning talking about introducing means tested subscriptions for access to GP services. If that comes in, I wouldn't want to be in this country anymore. The NHS is really one of only 2 things that make me want to stay.
New-Strategy-1673@reddit
Without being able to discuss politics this is impossible to answer.
But in broad strokes any problems you run from are likely to follow you or your children. Better to try and make this place better than abandon a ship that maybe on fire - but isn't actually sunk yet.
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danddersson@reddit
Holiday. Work.
SpatulaWholesale@reddit
I left the UK for work (tech). Lived in California for 25 years. Came back a couple of years ago.
barrynl@reddit
Do you regret coming back ?
SpatulaWholesale@reddit
I won't say I don't miss it, but I don't regret it, no. The Bay Area is lovely. I had a great house and a great job. It let me retire at 55 so I could come back and help look after aging parents. Fortunately no kids to relocate... Just my wife and I.
How America is... and it might be more visible these past few years... but it's a bit... broken. As someone who grew up dirt poor, on welfare, I've always appreciated the social safety net, and I've had very highly paid colleagues who couldn't give a toss about poor people. Don't want to pay taxes to help fund services. Literally couldn't give two shits. I didn't like that. And it's a more common viewpoint than you might think. I figured out pretty early that I probably didn't want to retire there.
I figured fairly early on that the US was a great place to work for tech. It was (back in the late 90s when we went over) where all the tech activity was. That was before Google and Facebook, and of course before their spreading out development offices across the world. Now there are good places to work for here, but of course it's still much more competitive vs. the US where there are just so many companies that good people can find good work... Errr... Well AI, cough, cough.
This is my 3rd summer back and, you know... you don't score points for being miserable inside your home during a heatwave. Once I actually get my own place I think I'll get some air con. Maybe built-in. Maybe a portable unit. Sure, it's only a few weeks a year... but really... we're not in the dark ages any more. After 25 years of air conditioning it's just too comfortable to go without. And they say the summers are going to get longer and hotter, so...
I do miss the food... but I love being able to get a pork pie or Ginsters Chicken Slice whenever I like. The simplest, cheapest food I grew up with... Fishcakes! I love that I can just get them whenever.
Happy to be back. Not too happy that the UK is suffering from the same sort of social media rage-bait propaganda that has infected the US... but I knew that... and it's just the world we live in. Not the UK's fault.
Dangerous-Boot-3036@reddit
Roll backs in protections and recognition of gay relationships.
I don't see it happening in the next 10 to 15 years but it's one of those things I just have to keep my ear to the ground on.
The UK is currently one of, if not the best place in the world for gay rights but it's something that will change as cultural attitudes shift. It's legal and recognised now because society is OK with it by and large.
I hope they don't shift on that scale but there are early signs I'm noticing and sadly something I don't have the luxury of not planning for.
DangerousHorror2084@reddit
Any reason the UK is failing NHS on its knees wages dont match food shopping we are screwed
lostandfawnd@reddit
Apparently politics as a subject isn't allowed in this sub, but.. politics.
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Saint_JT@reddit
Nothing works, and the population has a crabs in a bucket mentality.
tomahawk66mtb@reddit
I left the UK at 19, for adventure mainly. Saved up doing my job labouring and signed up to study in a university in a 2nd tier city in China. Back then my £s went really far. I then started my career earning £7k a year - but again, that went far: my basic studio apartment cost 75 quid a month and I rode my bicycle everywhere. I Lived in China for a decade, then moved to Singapore when we had kids. Stayed there for a decade. Then moved to Sri Lanka. Now split our time between Sri Lanka and UK (about 2 months a year in the UK). I enjoy our visits, but I don't see me ever living full time in the UK.
Dry_Pick_304@reddit
You sound like you have a had a fascinating life. Where has been your fav place to live? Have you been back to China since you lived there? I imagine there have been some mad changes there.
tomahawk66mtb@reddit
I've loved everywhere I've lived! They were all appropriate for the time of life I was in. Growing up as a kid in the suburbs of south east England was awesome. Rural china was life changing. Nanjing and Shanghai in my 20s was a blast. Singapore was an awesome place to grow a career and have a family and southern Sri Lanka is paradise to me - I've taken up open water swimming, surfing and yoga.
I've always been an optimist and always grateful for what I've been given in life. It's not all been plain sailing: I've lost my best friend and my sister, I've struggled with and recovered from alcoholism. I've certainly had some lows, but I don't regret anything and wouldn't change who I am or what I've been through.
kahuna3901@reddit
Work probably. I think when my parents pass I would be more open to doing it. I worked in Japan and Canada for about 3 years. Missed the uk. But I think Canada, New Zealand or Australia would be a great move for my final 20-30 years of work
GingerrJinx@reddit
If in my home country just had the same wage and job, I'd move back in a heartbeat. I know I can get the same job, but not sure I can get the same conditions I get from my employers.
spokenwealth@reddit
I fear my answer would end up here, so I'm not going to bother with this one. Time for a brew
duskinstorytimes@reddit
Better workers’ rights and culture, better social support and benefits, more accessible healthcare, better food, better climate, less repressed and hypocritical people, more community spaces that aren’t geared towards binge-drinking… I can’t wait to leave Britain 😆
MasterWulf@reddit
Quality of life, I feel like other European countries have better food and weather. When I say better food I mean it all just tastes better - produce, pastries, bread etc.
imp0ppable@reddit
Tiptoeing around the rule 2 bait here. I wouldn't want to do the full Paul Daniels ultimatum (because nobody cares) but you have to wonder what quality of life will be like in the UK in 20 years if things keep going the way they are.
I've always fancied the idea of moving somewhere else, not as an ex-pat or tourist but a full on working person in another country, to force me to learn the language and get involved with another culture pretty full-on.
True many other countries have big problems but I could probably forgive a lot more in another country on a temporary basis.
RedHides@reddit
I left my home country to move to the UK and I'd leave the UK for the same reasons:
jaf_1987@reddit
Lack of free speech.
daneview@reddit
What cant you day that you want to? Ive never had any issue saying anything and we have some pretty horrific humour between us all
MilkEnvironmental709@reddit
off you trot then!
duke_of_germany_5@reddit
Cost of living maybe, better weather
FarwwellSlavianka@reddit
Left 2 years ago with no plans of ever returning
Reasons:
Better pay
Lifestyle
Nicer environments
Career progression
Job satisfaction
Sense of purpose
More purchasing power
Much steeper competition, which keeps me in my feet and forces me to perform at my best
bvc900@reddit
Where did you move to?
I find this interesting because in my industry, there are only really two locations; London and San Francisco. Would love to be able to relocate to a more chilled lifestyle place, but without sacrificing career progression.
GeordieJumpers87@reddit
I left 6 years ago
Lifestyle
Money
Weather
I'm in Brisbane. Although admittedly in that six years house prices have gone nuts here
bvc900@reddit
Nice one. I've never been to Aus, but everyone who goes there for "a year or two" never comes back.
I visited NZ, and straight away could imagine living there.
morpheus_dreams@reddit
where did you move to out of curiosity?
redwinesupernova03@reddit
I’d leave anytime just for better weather, scenery and food. I suffer with mental health issues and these three elements matter so much when it comes to my mood
Impossible-Moose4459@reddit
I left for love and honestly wouldn't come back.
Topgunshotgun45@reddit
Institutional transphobia is one of the reasons I *did* leave the UK.
Dennyisthepisslord@reddit
Holiday or war that made life completely unviable but somehow I could get elsewhere easily
ProofDazzling9234@reddit
High taxes, crap weather, too few daylight hours in the winter, NHS gone downhill, too many uptight people, too much drinking.
marcustankus@reddit
Long holidays in winter to Southern Spain perhaps, but a perminant move..... No, I like it here...
PsychologySpecific16@reddit
Not much really I love the UK.
I'd perhaps consider spending more time in Japan though, however wages aren't great for foreigners and work life balance can go out of the window.
Why Japan? Well all the infrastructure just works, it's safer than the UK (and most other countries) it's the best place in the world i've been to for nightlife and I really do enjoy their social rigidity, especially around respect.
Language barrier would be a tad difficult but I already speak some pigeon Japanese. So I have a head start.
lithaborn@reddit
I'm trans.
Problem is, where would I go?
ToiletDestroyer6000@reddit
Probably Brazil
lithaborn@reddit
Hmm. Works for me. Don't fancy learning Portuguese but I'm sure I'd cope lol
Dunnohye@reddit
The only thing keeping me here are my friends and family. From nearly other aspect I can find better locations to live - primarily job and salary which would have significant increases in quality of life.
Traditional-Win354@reddit
Same. I would love to move to another country, but I have my parents here and my nephews and nieces. My parents would probably want to move closer by the time they get elderly, but I doubt they'd be willing to learn another language so late in their lives.
Educational_Cow111@reddit
Weather
MR_MaxiMor44@reddit
better job opportunities
Sadie_UK@reddit
Lol give me a reason to stay!
Charming_Donkey5130@reddit
Yes I agree!
This is also my answer.
gracki1@reddit
House that is affordable and isn't the size of a shoebox.
Infamous_Tough_7320@reddit
To escape the depressing UK mentality and the far right. As well as the abysmal job market, but I think a lot of countries are suffering from that right now.
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For me it was the basic fact of being on an island vs somewhere I can just jump in a car, pick a direction, keep going and country borders don't even matter.
We wake up and my girlfriend says 'fancy a day in Germany?' Fine. Off we go.
The destination didn't matter so much, but everything fell into place with the Netherlands, so that's where we ended up.
This was 2015, so not a political decision at that time...
ducksoupmilliband@reddit
I love the UK (having lived elsewhere in Europe and the US) so it'd have to be somewhere better... I'm not aware of anywhere better.
daneview@reddit
Denmark and Scandinavia was pretty tempting when I went. I just don't enjoy the frozen Winters
ducksoupmilliband@reddit
I heard it's very hard to make friends in scandi countries if you don't grow up there. I loved Denmark, amazing food!
Unique_Bandicoot_502@reddit
Housing would be the only reason but I’ll never leave.
I like seasonal weather, I enjoy English countryside and pubs too much to leave.
CoffeeIgnoramus@reddit
Ok, definitely not politics, then.
You_moron04@reddit
I love the UK, I really do, but we’re rapidly becoming a nation for the pensioner. As a young person, I just struggle to see a future here where I get ANYTHING from the system that was supposed to work for me and that I pay taxes for.
I’d do Australia simply because it seems like a nation moving and actually has an eye on the young, but I’m not built for heat. So the UK is my best bet.
DentalATT@reddit
I am planning to move to Ireland once my citizenship application goes through (thank f*ck I have an Irish Grandparent), purely due to the anti-trans discrimination in the UK.
mordhoshogh@reddit
If you're a UK citizen there's no need to wait until your Irish passport comes through to be able to live and work in Ireland.
Redditvillier@reddit
Honestly this is the main reason I want to leave. The treatment of queer people (esp trans people) in this country is declining rapidly (as was proven by rainbow map's recent report), and I don't think I could ever come out whilst in this hell hole
J_Class_Ford@reddit
On the run
oojiflip@reddit
Changing cultural norms, based on current birth rates it won't be more than 20-30 years before we see a major shift towards a different common culture, and one that I don't identify with
Witty_Collection_294@reddit
If a Muslim majority government ever got in I’d be out.
M-Rice@reddit
If you're thick enough to write this comment, i can promise you the country would be better off without you.
SolemnEmberGames@reddit
Why do you think anything good would come out of a muslim majority government?
United_Panda7854@reddit
What a strange way to announce that you’re also thick, bravo!
SolemnEmberGames@reddit
That's not an answer.
Islam is an incredibly devoted religion and has no qualms oppressing other cultures, hell that's how it grew in the Ottoman empire (and others before). Now since it's objective that they will enforce if not push the Islamic culture, how does that affect you unless you're Muslim? Odds are worse off, by far
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lol, you really have been taken in with the media propaganda. maybe visit the ONS website and check out how impossible that actually is.
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The recent heatwave has reminded me how much I adore a hotter climate & extremely bright sunny days.
Love London but I would leave just for the weather. I’m not saying the weather is bad here, just that being a Northern European city it’s obviously not a natural hot climate; which is a preference for me.
Ok-Spite-5454@reddit
UK salary in Asia, perioddddd
bowen7477@reddit
To get away from repetitive questions like this.
Straightener78@reddit
So Reddit has different content in different countries?
Eukonidor_Of_Arisia@reddit
People in the UK all seem to have a certain 'provincial', island mentality, only in different ways...
The northerners do it in an obvious brash, uneducated, foul-mouthed way... Whereas those living in the south-east seem like spoiled children who did read books, yet remain absolutely sheltered, ignorant and somewhat clueless.
As a result, the whole thing is like one big barrel of crabs. Wherein, most people are just waiting for you to fail. Your failure never serves them in any particular way, yet they wish for it all the same. It's a 'misery loves company' kind of a place.
Well, the fuckers can keep their misery. I want no part of it.
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There are a handful of European countries I'd migrate to, if my job allowed for full remote working.
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Mostly the weather - while most people seem to have hated the recent heatwave I absolutely love it and would happily take that year round over cloudy skies
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I might when I retire, but that is a long way off. More immediately but unlikely would be if the far left or far right took over government.
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I really wanna move and have been seriously talking to my partner about going abroad for a few years. Greece would be great.
There’s just no opportunities for young people here. It’s practically impossible to get a job, retirement age keeps increasing which in turn makes it even harder for young people to get a job, businesses woukd rather hire experienced older people than train young new staff. the cost of living crisis is absolutely absurd and keeps getting worse, our government is absolutely fuckin useless and in shambles, crime is increasing at an alarming rate, and our rights are threatened each day. Country’s just an absolute fucking joke. And no, I don’t think immigration is to blame.
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Crime is actually declining on many fronts
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I like sunshine and do better surrounded by more optimistic types
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Transphobia and honestly the insane fucking levels of bureaucracy that's clearly killing the Country.
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I don't want to leave the UK - all my family and friends are here. I guess I'd leave if they all spontaneously decided to live elsewhere.
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If they kill the ISA/make pensions more difficult.
That’s literally it & it’d be an administrative headache to move abroad, that’s it.
Housing situation + job market means the value proportion is completely broken, everything else is workable imo but those two it’s bad.
Semi detached midlands house today is half a mill, average salary for someone in a good job is 45k.
Juice hasn’t been worth the squeeze for a long while in the UK.
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Luton Town FC is relocated to another country.
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If Reforms/Restore come in I'll leave as they're looking to take my rights away that were already given to me. I have no intention being a B rank citizen when I'm Western European myself. Drown in your misery if that's the path this country wants to take, I won't be here for it
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Having the means to.
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If Restore doesn't get in then it's the final nail in the coffin since they are the only ones wanting to address the issues of the UK, the rest want to double down on the issues.
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Prestigious-Speed-29@reddit
Had to look them up. Goodness. If they get in, I'm off.
SolemnEmberGames@reddit
Off as in by their choice or yours?
EscapeArtist92@reddit
Love, family, work.....tax avoidance 👀👀
No_Account_105@reddit
I think both central and Eastern Europe are looking more attractive especially for remote tech work.
spinningdice@reddit
Rise of transphobia...
BarbiePeonies@reddit
The weather
stewpman@reddit
I have illness that would love the good weather and relaxed life style . Plus if its cheaper than here too in some of the countries
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Transphobia
e-pancake@reddit
if the heat gets much worse and reform winning
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Ok-Yogurtcloset3467@reddit
Cost of living would be the main reason. And maybe for a partner/family.
TomfromLondon@reddit
I've done it twice and don't think I would again, i find the majority of life type things just so much easier here
Redditisfuckincrap@reddit
If the one of the big "Re" parties get in we will leave
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shanloulie@reddit
my partner and i are queer this something thing we've started considering with the rise of reform and the anti trans laws coming in
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FionaRulesTheWorld@reddit
Leaving in a few months to escape the trans genocide in this country. Moving to the USA, Florida initially but possibly moving on to Colorado. Blue US states are safer for trans people than the UK currently...
United_Panda7854@reddit
Seduced by a nordic princess and asked to move, i’ll consider it.
Legitdude9182@reddit
If reform win
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Stole my line.
lukusmaca@reddit
The rise of reform
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Minty2391@reddit
100%. My wife is an Aussie but of East Asian descent so I would not want to be in a place where she’s not comfortable being out and about. We’d sod off to Aus.
coffeewalnut08@reddit
Doesn’t Australia have One Nation? Feels like this MAGA stuff is everywhere now
Minty2391@reddit
Oh absolutely, don’t get me wrong, there’s racism and extreme right wing views everywhere, but I can’t imagine them getting into power like here.
Infinite-Highway3432@reddit
FYI, One Nation in Australia are on a reform like trajectory.
superwisk@reddit
Exactly. If reform got in the UK will go to proper shit.
No-Championship9542@reddit
It's the countries only hope, it's currently gone to proper shit
Freddyeddy123@reddit
Oh you just wait. They're gonna try their best to make it worse.
Infinite-Highway3432@reddit
Yes, the countires only hope is to not allow people with a different skin colour in. You're smart.
coffeewalnut08@reddit
Sympathise. But at the same time, it’s not inevitable.
That party really is supported by a loud minority, it just leaves me wondering where everyone else is on polling day 🤷♀️
nihilistkitty@reddit
Same
Familiar-Candidate-7@reddit
Same here
Faye-Lockwood@reddit
Well, I left the UK for romance and job prospects, but neither have gone swimmingly
attimhsa@reddit
Despite being born here and only ever living here, and all that I know and immediately love being here, transphobia.
Missbhavin67@reddit
My sister moved to Australia fifty years ago because the climate was better for her husband who had health issues
herwiththepurplehair@reddit
I've been twice to see family, and I've always said if I had the money I'd be off
Gullible_fool_99@reddit
if the entire land mass was a desert or underwater I would leave. Or if I was kidnapped abd force to leave against my will.
spacegirl2820@reddit
I don't want to leave. Everywhere has it good points and bad points, but better the devil you know.
DamnedVirus@reddit
I already did last year. Went to the Isle of Man as I was offered a really good position here along with paid moving expenses.
1) Extremely low crime, people leave their cars and homes unlocked here, coming from the midlands, that was a huge culture shock.
2) Lower tax, the UK taxes a single high earner far more than two more modest earners, here we are taxed as a couple, combined personal allowances (£34,000 tax free as a couple). Along with a lower tax rate overall (10% lower and 21% higher). I'm motivated to do a lot more overtime here as I will see far more of the money. Also, actual overtime pay rather than TOIL.
3) It's quiet and has a slower pace of life, the Manx phrase is "traa dy liooar", meaning "time enough". Basically there is a huge push for work life balance and that is baked in to the culture here.
As a young couple with a two year old, it is perfect for us. My daughter is in one of the safest places in the world, and gets to run on the beach most days.
It's like the shire, but the hobbits really love motorbikes.
Even-Wasabi7183@reddit
Cheaper housing, no paying high taxes for literally nothing, reforms to the benefit system. Shouldn’t be able to claim benefits for life
Hephaestite@reddit
This is my backyard now. That was enough.
secretlowkeys@reddit
Seasonal depression
Top-Cat-a@reddit
This makes me SAD
Fresh_Cauliflower723@reddit
I feel that
Organic-Schedule1989@reddit
I’d move to America and live on a nice open field, far from society, because the UK just feels like the worst place to be when you have neighbors who think they’re better than you and gossip behind your back while you keep to yourself.
B3ndetta@reddit
I dont hate the UK as it currently feels to live here. However I think that sometimes it lacks soul. Certainly we are an expensive country to live in as well.
My wife comes from south East Asia and it is such a warm, welcoming and friendly place with amazing food and culture. I'd love to live out there (once my stomach got used to the food).
I think exploring and engaging with other cultures is the most enriching thing we can do with our lives.
coffeewalnut08@reddit
Lacks soul in what sense?
Low_Stress_9180@reddit
Money money money, must be funny.... with ABBA singing always comes into my head when asked why I am an expat.
As well as travel, adventure, 75% lower fuel bills, tropical beaches, sun, no thieving, no hoardes of scummy feral teenagers making life hard (happened to my mum) and fast good healtheater (wait15 mins not 3 weeks).
DancingWilliams@reddit
To live in a better country. I'd like to call this new country "Scotland".
Top-Cat-a@reddit
Freedom!!
Emergency_Good_6492@reddit
Yeah I moved from Gravsend to the Scottish Highlands with my folks as a teen - hated them for it at the time but now I thank them everyday I have a new life here filled with nature. I feel like my life up here is quite different to the typical UK experience and now I’m very grateful for it. The down side is we might need to move again soon because we can’t find enough carers for my disabled father and he needs to go into a home and there isn’t one suitable locally - but from what I’ve heard that’s an issue people are having nationwide not just up here.
TommyCheckers976@reddit
Can I come too?
Top-Cat-a@reddit
England has its problems but so does everywhere else.
I'd really like to be an EU citizen again so I'm open to suggestions but I'd like the climate close to that of England, so maybe Northern France?
Jack_In_Black89@reddit
The money. My job currently pays,juat above minimum wage for realistically too much responsibility. I could do the same job in Australia for way less responsibility, and better prospects - even if the pay is slightly lower (but so is the cost of living over there, so it evens out).
feckarse-drinkgirls@reddit
Thought Australia was one of the worse places for cost of living
Jack_In_Black89@reddit
Can't be much worse than the UK.
NoCold3997@reddit
No reason to leave to be honest 🤷🇬🇧
flytotheleft@reddit
Its not that i hated the UK, I just wanted to see what day to day life was like in another country, in another timezone with different weather and new places. I moved back but honestly I think sometimes people get bored, especially if you don’t live in a buzzworthy UK city.
No-Championship9542@reddit
To move with my American wife to Texas fully, drive around my ranch trying to find new shale gas deposits to drill to get that precious crude out the ground, buy a tank and use it to run over cars, fly around in a helicopter shooting wild boar, etc. Pay no tax, be a permanent celebrity or wherever you go, infinite the sheriff to BBQs at my house so I can drink drive, slowly over a period of years replace the bread they eat with more normal bread until I cure them off their sugar addiction, etc, etc.
PlayerHeadcase@reddit
Depends where you can go - my take (I lived in both Amsterdam and Stockholm) they often offer better working conditions (Maternity, paternity leave, better redundancy pay, better hours and commutes easier due to more affordable and better public transport, better salary/lifestyle balance, more affordable rentals and property prices although most places are getting expensive these days (NOT Amstrerdam in this case!! prices there are on par with London in some areas)
coldven0m@reddit
Me and my wife are leaving for good, for many reasons but there are more good reasons to leave than there are to stay and the list of reasons to stay is almost empty.
Hephaestite@reddit
As someone who did, I can earn double in Australia vs the UK, have a higher standard of living, in a country that feels like it’s on the rise rather than falling apart.
I love the UK, there are lots of great things about it and I come back once a year, but I’ll never return to live there.
ScaryMooseFace@reddit
Probably stress/ money , seems tough here in the UK but we are all made to believe it’s the best. I would love to trial Spain for a year just to get a feel for the pace of life and healthier living.
Remote_Development13@reddit
If I were to get made redundant in a few years time, once my son is 18, I would consider moving abroad as I work in a transferrable industry
It's something I've started to think about a little more. Ideally, I'd prefer to keep my job and stay here though
LudicrousPlatypus@reddit
Why would I leave the UK? Because I don't enjoy living here and the pay in the UK is lower than elsewhere.
Arefue@reddit
I wouldn't. I have a very blessed life here with family, property and prospects.
I suspect it would take massive societal collapse to dislodge me.
If not here then the quieter anglo-sphere nations like Canada or New Zealand.
If I wasn't hopeless with languages then Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Poland
quaredayhi@reddit
My sinus problems seem to be worse here.
RacistCarrot@reddit
_FreddieLovesDelilah@reddit
Cheap land
TransatlanticMadame@reddit
World War III. I'd go back to the US as I am a dual citizen, and get a green card for my husband. The kids would be able to come with as they are also dual citizens.
RandomUser22487@reddit
I’d leave if it was for money, work opportunities, or if I was worried for my safety by staying.
Where would I go? Haven’t thought about that as in all honesty it’s unlikely to happen.
DisguisedLu@reddit
More land and less neighbours
Flatcapspaintandglue@reddit
Fuck yeah. “Don’t fence me in…”
bio4m@reddit
Triffids...
Top-Cat-a@reddit
You can stay in the UK by simply selecting a suitably defensive island - IIRC the book used the Isle of Wight. I'll settle for a Scilly Isle or Channel Island if I can't find enough people for the Isle of Wight
g33k_d4d@reddit
If my kids weren't here, they are the only thing keeping me in the UK
Commercial-Name2093@reddit
Cops finally find out
doge_suchwow@reddit
I moved
Money and weather
Maleficent-Win-6520@reddit
If I become rich. Probably Texas or the South.
Mumstheword76@reddit
Home is where the heart is. My family are here so so am I though, personally I would rather be in England where I am than anywhere else.
Skyremmer102@reddit
Scottish independence.
adi_mrok@reddit
Private health care. I moved here because of better access to funding for diabetes kit, if that would get revoked and my net income would take a significant hit, I would start planning the move.
Alive_Comment_2086@reddit
* I have surpassed my personal inheritance limit of: £325,000
* There is an ability to gain an EU passport.
* There is an ability to gain to purchase a larger house for the money or cheaper house in another country.
Any other cold weather European country where the above can be met with priority to countries with no inheritance tax.
SkipperTheEyeChild1@reddit
Holiday
BusyBeeBridgette@reddit
I doubt I would leave unless forced for some reason. All the top 15 countries are pretty much the same. if I had to leave - Probably Denmark of the East/South Coast of Australia.
DamoclesBDA@reddit
I wouldn't.
Moved back in 2019 after 20+ years abroad.
robjamez72@reddit
Too many natives.
UseADifferentVolcano@reddit
Unearthing a treasure map or mysterious series of clues that lead abroad.
charlierc@reddit
Better get Nicolas Cage
james8807@reddit
Stagnating wages, high and unregulated illegal immigration, two tier policing, cold weather, high inflation and a struggling job market. Oh wait.... I left
butterscotchwhip@reddit
I did already, left for better career prospects, cheaper housing, and a proper summer (although we chose Canada and didn’t really think about the proper winter that comes with it 😝)
AnyOlUsername@reddit
A challenge probably. I have challenges here but a new and different set of them to keep things interesting.
LegolasleChat@reddit
Lived overseas for ten years, loved it and don't regret it. But it made me appreciate all the things that make up the UK and how good they actually are.
LeagueHot2171@reddit
zombies
MisterD90x@reddit
Someone gives me a load of money
BastardsCryinInnit@reddit
Love.
DeepWar2999@reddit
simpin
ToiletDestroyer6000@reddit
I lived abroad twice, regret coming home and should of stayed, I am currently in the process of selling house to move abroad again,
If it’s going to get silly for everyone globally I’d rather be elsewhere for the nonsense.
jay19903562@reddit
Beyond travelling
A natural or man made disaster that made it uninhabitable.
I know we all love to moan about the state of things and there's vast improvement to be made. But on the whole I don't believe that there is anywhere else that I'd like to live as much as the UK.
v00g@reddit
Crab People
neuralconstellate@reddit
the weather
Unable_Anywhere2983@reddit
The illegal immigrants
Reasonable-Cat5767@reddit
More sunshine hours.
Prestigious-Salt-245@reddit
Invasion, widespread bombing, asteroid impact. I'd go wherever seemed like a good idea at the time.
scottishsilversurfer@reddit
To get some decent weather
Mavz-Billie-@reddit
The humidity.
Electronic_Ear8508@reddit
You know….UK
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