What du you think of Austrians in the comments saying that Austria is Balkan?

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No_Database_7462@reddit

in slavic languages this word means they're mute / unintelligible lol

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annuminasguard@reddit

Afaik that word was used to refer to "non russian speakers" or "non slavs" in russian language back then. But ottomans took that word from slavs and used it for germans/austrians.

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RegionSignificant977@reddit

Russia wasn't a thing when people called Germans like that. Nor has any significant role in Slavic cultures until recently. Most of russians are Slavicized non Slavs because of Orthodoxy.

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what is even the point of your message? are we talking about linguistics or genetics? if we're talking about linguistics then I specifically mentioned "modern" times, not about when Bulgaria saved everyone from the Arabs in 718 AD during the siege of Constantinople, not about the great Slavic migration, not about the origin of the Kievan Rus' (which yes, funnily enough has nothing to do with modern russians despite the name Rus'), and not about Wends

this word originates from proto-slavic "němьcь" which is the same ABSOLUTE exact root for every single slavic language that has a descendant word for it, including — wait for it... Old Church Slavonic! because it's older! wow, who would've thought!

if we're talking genetics and the infinite nonsensical flow of propaganda that russians are less slav than others, "they're mongoids" - well, then, look up how close they are according to actual DNA tests? look up DNA heatmaps of say, russians to western ukrainians to croats? compare the groups, especially region to region? for example this one https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1pg83h2/russians_europeans_or_not_the_european_and/

I swear, this being stuck in the history of 500 years ago isn't gonna help anyone, but you can continue on this as long as you want I guess

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RegionSignificant977@reddit

Because that word predates russian language with a lot. You can't say that it means "non russian speaker". Because Russian language didn't existed at that time.
russians are not the center of the Slavic culture, nor were center of the slavic culture historically. It's not about genetics, it's about cultures, and language is a part of that culture. Also, people with mongoloid features aren't Slavic, even if they are russian and didn't identify like anything else exempt russians. Clearly they were slavicized at some point in history, long after the word "Nemec" was adopted by Slavic people.
Are Karelians Slavic or Finno Ugric? Or Caucasians are Slavic?
Also, people are people. No nation is more important than other and there's nothing wrong with not being Slavic. For many people in russia that's also not true. Which doesn't mean it's bad.

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No_Database_7462@reddit

you are generalizing way too much, proto-slavic on itself happened way before your beloved Bulgarian and Old Church Slavonic itself, and that doesn't mean I'm saying that your language is somehow less significant culturally or linguistically, nobody cares if russian language existed at that time, there was no Cyrillic script even, do you understand that or no?

and according to historians and archeological finds this word meant people that weren't understood by slavs(imagine, yeah slavic languages initially didn't split into eastern, western and southern but I guess you skipped that history class), not necessarily Germanic people

You can't say that it means "non russian speaker". Because Russian language didn't existed at that time.

did anybody ever imply that?

I also have no idea why you mention people of Karelia. yes they're finno-ugric and guess what their language family is also finno-ugric, does this mean that in the majority of modern day russians are less slavic because of that? the correct answer is no, in fact even a lot of slavs in the Balkans such as Serbs are mixed and more likely to have Turkic genes, does this make them less slav or renders them unavailable to call themselves slav? I don't think so, it's absurd

Orthodox "slavification" has gotten nothing to do with rendering people slavic or no, there were slavic Pagan tribes which didn't use the Cyrillic script, had a completely different religion, yet those are the main distant relatives to all other slavs

I think you're just focused on one-sided history and manage to mix in whatever the hell modern russia is doing politically onto the image of a nation that stemmed from the common root

that being said, I'm of western ukrainian origin and I don't wanna hear more of your nonsense about who's slav ethnically or in terms of language, keep it to yourself

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annuminasguard@reddit

Might be. The only thing i know is ottomans took it from slavs.

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RegionSignificant977@reddit

Russia is a thing from 13th century onwards. And even that's a stretch. More like 15-th century.

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No_Database_7462@reddit

I can't say if it's the most slavs, but Ukrainians and Poles still do that, in Polish it's Niemcy when referring to the German nation and their country name, and in Ukrainian it's Nimtsy and Nimechyna, respectively

Russians however call Germans "Nemtsy" but the country name is somehow Germania

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Veilchengerd@reddit

Lets take a look at the facts, shall we?

They regularly vote for right-wing populist clowns who love to suck Russia's dick.
They have one big city, their capital, that completely dominates to country's cultural and financial life. Everybody else is basically a peasant (though a relativly wealthy one).
They are racist against other Balkaners.
Have you seen the insane corruption of their economic and political leadership? Holy fuck, the Kurz government made Plenković look positivly northern european.

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Inevitable_Motor_685@reddit

They wanna be like Portugal

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Stverghame@reddit

Most of the comments don't say that though? The ones that do are joking.

Germanics can never be Balkan, even if they actually had a country in geographic Balkan. Too much autism and antisocial behaviour to fit in here.

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Early-Show2886@reddit

Who said Austria is Balkan?

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blumonste@reddit

Eastern Europe

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Antibacterial_Cat@reddit

There is a view that Austria became part of the Balkans when it decided to take an interest in the Balkans. In my opinion, Austria is not in the Balkans, but if they feel like Balkans, then fine.

Then that means that Slovenia and Croatia are indeed an integral part of the Balkans x300 and it is not worth them denying it and referring to the so-called "Central Europe".

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Sekalino@reddit

I feel like the more important question is: why tf would they even want to be considered Balkan?!

Goofy ah Western Europeans.

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ItHappensSo@reddit (OP)

Young progressive wealthy liberals see it as "cool" "anti western" "anti capitalist" "anti german" etc. Its quite common with the left

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NightZT@reddit

Is that really a thing tho? I know this Metternich joke but I'd say we are kinda the definition of central europe with many influences from every direction and also significant differences between our federal states? But really claiming we are Balkan seems weird, I wouldn't even say most parts of Slovenia, northern Croatia or Vojvodina are (but def. more than us)

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ItHappensSo@reddit (OP)

It actually is, especially in places like Vienna and Graz with the young progressive population loads of my friend group unironically preach it lol

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