In 2008 the people who saw it coming didn't lose a cent.
I've been trying to figure out what "seeing it coming"
actually looks like in practice.
Posted by Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 103 comments
Not a doomer post. Genuinely trying to think through the practical side of this.
The metrics that flagged 2008 before it became news are doing the same thing right now. Yield curve behavior, credit spread widening, commercial real estate vacancy sitting at 20%+ in major cities with the loans on those buildings held mostly by regional banks. The derivatives exposure that blew up the system in 2008 was around $600 trillion. It's over $1 quadrillion now and the six banks that were too big to fail then are three times larger today.
What I keep thinking about is the practical gap between "understanding the system is fragile" and "actually doing something useful about it."
A few things I've landed on that feel concrete rather than theoretical: The number in your bank app is not money. It's a promise. Your bank has lent out roughly 97% of it. If enough people ask for it at the same time, Northern Rock in 2008, SVB in 2023 the bank physically cannot give it to you. Knowing how much cash you can actually access in your hand right now, without an app or a wire transfer, feels like a basic starting point most people skip.
The second thing is income concentration. In 2020 forty million Americans lost their jobs in two months. The people who made it through weren't the ones with the best portfolio. They were the ones with multiple income streams. One stream going down doesn't mean everything goes down. The third is the 90-day thing. Standard advice is three months of expenses. In a real crisis, not a technical recession but the kind where banks freeze withdrawals, three months might not be enough. 2008 took 18 months to hit bottom and six years to recover. Physical cash you can reach without infrastructure hits different when infrastructure is the thing under stress.
None of this is novel. But I'm curious what people here who have actually thought through preparation seriously think the realistic weak points are, specifically what breaks first and fastest when the next cycle turns.
NiceSupermarket7724@reddit
Youre trying to short the apocalypse?
Odeeum@reddit
"For a short period of time we created significant wealth for shareholders"
-guy standing near a fire clad in human skins sharing his tale of maximizing returns for shareholders in the "before" times...
ffffwwdd@reddit
Here you go. Tom Toro, 2012.
Odeeum@reddit
It is the most succinct depiction of late stage capitalism that ive seen. Perfection.
xtapol@reddit
I tried to do that in 2008. I nailed the very top of the market and shorted it all the way down. Somehow I lost money. Trading is stupid.
Jeffde@reddit
I’d love to hear that story
xtapol@reddit
Not much to it - options are complicated and this was before Robinhood brought transaction fees down. I’d be right on the general direction of most trades but my execution was poor.
ThrowRA-4545@reddit
Betcha it's got something to do with Robinhood locking withdrawals / sell options at critical time frames. Burnt a lot of people.
xtapol@reddit
No this was pre-Robinhood.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
More like trying to not be the last one to figure out the game changed. Shorting implies profit motive. I'd settle for not having my savings locked in a frozen account while I figure out what's happening.
BBR0DR1GUEZ@reddit
You take the money, you put the money under the bed. Next question?
Captain_Collin@reddit
Lol, you're fucked that way too. Dollars are backed by the US government, once that collapses dollar bills won't be worth the paper they're printed on.
BBR0DR1GUEZ@reddit
That’s where you’re wrong pal. You think the bed is just for saving money under.
While you idiots have been buying silver and gold, (useless metal) I’ve been loading up on beds.
When all this goes tits up, and nobody can afford the rent, and you’re all out on your asses with nowhere to sleep, guess where you’re coming.
My mattress kingdom. Buy beds folks.
Pogglethebestest@reddit
This guy fucks. (hence all the beds)
dolphone@reddit
Is this you?
https://youtu.be/n36R8xlhe1U?
Informal-Chemical-79@reddit
Hilarious!
NiceSupermarket7724@reddit
Funnily enough, an old bed store is a main plot point in that collapse-themed show Station 11. Becomes the apocalyptic maternity ward.
epictepicu@reddit
🤣🤣
rematar@reddit
I like Peruvian Bull's macroeconomic views.
https://open.substack.com/pub/dollarendgame/p/financial-gravity?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2lkom0
bobthecan@reddit
Dollar milkshake baby
threepairs@reddit
Nothing stops this train
Fit_Tumbleweed7943@reddit
Everything has changed , in the past being the one to prep and understand the change is the right choice.. however this time the environment is past redline and everything will be unpredictable
theguzman20@reddit
I think real preparation is usually boring: less debt, knowing how to fix things, having neighbors, and owning more food than takeout sauce packets.
Indigo_Sunset@reddit
You convert to the assets with an expected use case that are otherwise irreplaceable or unlikely to be found again (either at all or at that price).
All within moderation and or risk analysis tolerance.
FerousManatee@reddit
Start buying gold and silver.
LiminalEra@reddit
I have reported this thread to the mod team, but I want to hijack the top comment to point out: literally every response from the OP in this thread is blatantly AI generated.
TheHistorian2@reddit
I’m heavily invested in can openers.
ask_me_about_my_band@reddit
Cardboard is the way to go. A lot of people will need new places to live.
bessierexiv@reddit
Least let me end it on a nice note hanging out with some expensive vintage win
Funktownajin@reddit
If you’re talking about having physical cash because your money in an account becomes inaccessible, I don’t really see much point in that.
Maybe it makes sense to have some cash on hand for a scenario where cc machines go down and they can’t process payments for a few days.
If it’s a case of banks not giving their money to people, like Lebanon or Argentina in prior years, I think the lesson learned is to invest in physical things with your money, and not leave too much in the bank. Land, fruit trees, solar panels, animals and a pantry etc.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
The Lebanon and Argentina examples are actually the most useful framing for this because they're not hypothetical, they're documented sequences you can study. In both cases the physical assets angle played out exactly the way you're describing. The people who had land, productive assets, things that generate value independent of the banking system, they absorbed the shock. The people who had savings accounts found out the hard way what "your money is in the bank" actually means structurally.
The cash point I'd push back on slightly though. You're right that a multi-year banking freeze makes cash less useful over time. But the 2008 and SVB sequences both showed that the critical window is the first 2-4 weeks before government intervention stabilizes access. Cash in that window isn't about surviving a decade of collapse. It's about not being the person standing outside a closed branch on day three trying to buy groceries. Someone put together a pretty detailed breakdown of the actual failure sequence mechanics how fast it moves, what freezes first, and what the Lebanon/Argentina playbook looks like applied to a US context: https://youtu.be/_Kvauom1juw
The infrastructure dependency section is the part that changed how I was thinking about the cash vs physical assets question
Livid_Village4044@reddit
I'm developing a debt-free self-sufficient homestead in a fairly remote part of Appalachia. Too much of my severely modest savings are in the bank. I've been waiting for a drop in the silver price to buy more of it. Have a small amount of gold too, but when it hits $10K or $20K an ounce, it is too valuable for ordinary expenses.
PocketsFullOf_Posies@reddit
My family has also moved towards a more self sustainable homestead lifestyle. We bought a large parcel of wooded property and built a cabin, rainwater catchment, solar panels set up, shoot archery & hunt, raise chickens. Building infrastructure for meat rabbits within the next 12 months, raised garden beds by this fall, seed stockpile in the freezer.
I'm a prolific forager with experience in mushrooms and wild plants. We live at our property full time. Collapse now before the rush.
Livid_Village4044@reddit
I know how to store and prepare acorn. Also the Bambi dears here are overpopulating.
PocketsFullOf_Posies@reddit
Acorn is really good. There's a korean dish called Korean Acorn Jelly (Dotorimuk Muchim) that's eaten as a side with rice.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
The Appalachia homestead angle is actually the most coherent version of this strategy I've seen in this thread. Debt-free plus productive land plus physical metals is a completely different risk profile than someone in a city with a savings account and a stock portfolio. The silver point is underrated honestly. Gold at $10K+ an ounce creates a denomination problem you can't spend a fraction of a coin. Silver stays in a range where it's actually usable as a medium of exchange for real transactions. The liquidity difference matters a lot more than people think when you're not just storing value but potentially needing to move it. The bank savings piece is the one worth thinking through. Even a modest amount enough to cover 2-4 weeks of expenses in cash outside the system changes your options dramatically in the early window of any disruption. Not because the homestead isn't the right long play. Just because the gap between "something happens" and "government stabilizes access" is usually measured in days to weeks, not months. Sounds like you've already thought through most of this more seriously than the average person in this conversation.
Livid_Village4044@reddit
I was trapped in my homestead for 4 weeks during all the polar vortex weather, and had no problem.
Not sure yet what to do about what I have on autopay (phone, internet, truck insurance) if the banking system freezes up. My Social Security income is also auto-deposited. You may remember all those millions who couldn't get their unemployment insurance during the COVID lockdown and had NO income.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
The polar vortex 4 weeks is actually the best stress test you could run. Most people's "I'm prepared" theory falls apart around day 8. The autopay problem is real and I don't think there's a clean solution for it. If the banking system freezes, autopay either processes from whatever's in the account or it doesn't and if it doesn't, you're dealing with service interruptions on top of everything else. The only partial answer I've seen is keeping a separate small account at a credit union specifically for autopay obligations, distinct from your main savings. Credit unions failed at a much lower rate than commercial banks in 2008 and their structure makes them less exposed to the derivatives side of the problem. The Social Security autopay dependency is the harder one. COVID unemployment showed exactly what you're describing the infrastructure that's supposed to deliver money to people is the same infrastructure that breaks when you actually need it most. That's not a personal preparation problem. That's a structural dependency that's baked into how tens of millions of people survive month to month. The homestead gives you options most people don't have. But you've identified the exact gap that even well-prepared people can't fully route around.
fedfuzz1970@reddit
Following 2008-2009, Congress changed Dodd-Frank banking law to permit banks to bail-in during a crisis. No more government bail-outs. Depositors become unsecured creditors behind such things as derivatives in a bankruptcy. Ellen Brown (Web of Debt blog) did a great article on it in 2023. Two banks in Cyprus did it to depositors in the late 80's with 60% loss of deposits.
hagfish@reddit
'Money in the bank' relies on a functioning financial system.
'Land assets' rely on a functioning prison/industrial system. If you call 911 and no one picks up, you're no longer a 'land owner' in any meaningful way. In that situation, your resources amount to the clothes on your back and your relationships with your neighbours.
We can prepare for failure of the first system in the ways you describe. I don't know how we prepare for failure of the second system.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
The prison/industrial system point is the one that breaks every preparation framework if you follow it far enough. You're right that property rights are downstream of enforcement infrastructure. No enforcement, no ownership in any practical sense. The Appalachia homestead angle works specifically because of the community and neighbor relationships piece not because of the deed. I think the honest answer is there are two different failure scenarios and most people conflate them. Financial system failure is survivable with preparation. The second system you're describing is a different category entirely and the preparation looks completely different it's social capital, not financial capital. Those are worth separating because preparing for one doesn't prepare you for the other.
Livid_Village4044@reddit
A mutual aid network of homesteaders have a common interest in defending their homes. And will be interdependent in other ways, especially in later stages of Collapse.
humansaredonuts@reddit
If you're going to take part in /r/collapse, you should write your own responses, not use AI.
NiceSupermarket7724@reddit
Stop using AI to write your responses.
WHALE_PHYSICIST@reddit
if you stockpile food, you won't need to stand in line for groceries
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
Exactly. The grocery line problem is a logistics problem not a money problem. Solving it at the source is cleaner than solving it at the payment layer.
SquirrelAkl@reddit
I always remember reading in the Economist about Argentina in their financial crisis of the early 2000s: a barter economy developed in Buenos Aires for a period, and they used pencils to give change.
nsharonew@reddit
My dad is literally a genius, I’m not saying that because I love him (I do), or because he is my hero (he isn’t), but he’s fucking brilliant. He’s calculated, patient, curious, ambitious and lives his life in a constant feedback loop of improvement. He had a leaky skylight, he could have fixed it, but, instead, he setup an irrigation system with the runoff for his indoor and winter plants. He lives on a pond and has the best garden and lawn out of anyone because he rigged his irrigation system to draw from the pond, which has the fertilizer runoff from all the other properties. He’s building a robot in his house. He had a smart home before it was a thing (in the late 90s you could activate the lights and electronics by saying Computer, like Star Trek).
Ok, onto the question. Dad learned the stock market. He started by following Motley Fool religiously, reading every article, every book, watched every financial report. He was doing great. Had the little car, the big truck, the boat, the four wheelers. Had a good job, and was trading like crazy. I don’t know what he saw, but when the real “oh shit” moment happened in 2008, I emailed him to see if he was gonna jump out a window or something.
He said, “I’m fine. I cashed all of my stock out 3 weeks ago, I paid off the house, the cars, all the debt”. I was so proud of him, but I never asked him what he saw!!
Every now and then he takes a new life insurance policy out on himself, I know because he always asks for my social security number for the beneficiary info. He has assured me I will be very wealthy when he passes. I’d be happy with one of his guitars, but I appreciate him looking out for me. He knows I’m a millennial with no savings at 44 (sob) so he always helps (but I have to ask).
Last time I was up, he was day trading while he was working remotely as the director or IT for a huge health insurance company. He made about $600 just casually switching browsers, like, he’s a wizard.
Latest I heard, he rolled his longterm investments into silver. I am not entirely sure how that’s going to play out, and it sounds like a Qaanon conspiracy, but he hasn’t fucked up his financial situation in 30 years, so I’m confident in his decision.
I don’t talk to him as much about his investments anymore because I do love him and have a lot of respect for him and what he’s done. He was a single teenaged father who put himself through school and climbed the ladder. But, every time I talk about stocks, politics come up, and we don’t agree there at all.
I’ll have to ask him what the signs were, I’m curious now. I wasn’t curious then because I just got divorced and had a 5 year old, so I was busy
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richardsaganIII@reddit
Funny to think money will be helpful when shit really hits the fan
SquirrelAkl@reddit
There are many different types and degrees of collapse. Most don't involve the complete collapse of society and all institutions and laws, and are well worth preparing for.
richardsaganIII@reddit
yeah sorry, im just being a bit of a troll here ;0
im fine peacing out when it all happens but i totally understand people wanting to prepare for all the scenarios
sentientshadeofgreen@reddit
Doomsday preppers are really just hedging against currency collapse buying leaps in physical assets.
muddaFUDa@reddit
Physical gold. I have a bunch of 1g pieces with nice rounded edges so I could swallow them if I had to.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
The swallowable form factor is genuinely forward thinking. Most people don't consider portability as a variable until portability is the only variable that matters.
AtrociousMeandering@reddit
It's not forward thinking, It's buying an asset at the top and selling it at the bottom if not having it stranded.
Each of those pieces represents, at current prices, around 10,000 rounds of ammunition. An entire pallet. Or multiple pallets of durable goods like canned food.
Do you actually think it will get you even a tiny portion of that, post collapse? It doesn't matter if it's certified, because no one can contact them to check. It's a tiny piece of what might be junk gold or even not gold at all.
Gold is the dumbest thing to buy now in expectation of bad times. If you intend to flee to another country, buy assets there, don't delude yourself into thinking you'll trade your gold at old rates when you get there.
LiminalEra@reddit
Literally every response from the OP in this thread is blatantly AI generated, you are arguing with an LLM.
AtrociousMeandering@reddit
If I can influence anyone, whether it's the LLM or muddaFUDa or a bystander, to not invest in gold as a preparation for collapse and not recommend it to others, then I consider the effort worth it. Let someone else who thinks it's 'business as usual' pay thousands of dollars for a few chunks of bright yellow metal, and transform that into useful goods at the best exchange rate you'll enjoy through the entirety of collapse. If you want gold, it will be dirt cheap relative to basic household goods as everyone tries to hawk their jewelry boxes and buillion and Kruggerands for the things they actually need to survive.
itsadiseaster@reddit
Have some ketchup stored. It goes well together.
Less_Subtle_Approach@reddit
This guy eats metals.
Barrtecforever@reddit
Do you really think, this is r/collapse, the collapse of industrial civilisation with a smattering of global heating to boot. Then gold and silver, or paper money, won’t help you survive, oh! it might stave of you dying for a while but then you’ll have signed your own death warrant. Same if you’ve invested in a survival bunker, you’ll just be canned meat with a shelf life.
What you need to know is just how bad things could really get, and for that I’d recommend two books: Alice J. Friedemann’s (nonfiction) “When Trucks Stop Running” swiftly followed by Kurt Dahl’s “An American Famine”
If you haven’t read “An American Famine”, let me give you a synopsis of the harrowing picture it paints:
As America's fragile empire crumbles under the weight of insatiable consumption and ecological ruin, “An American Famine” unleashes a nightmarish chronicle of societal disintegration that claws at the soul. What begins as an insidious downward spiral. Supply chains fracturing, farmlands withering into dust, and cities swelling with the desperate and the destitute; escalates into a cataclysmic year where the grid fails, your neighbours become your enemy, marauding gangs descend upon the starving masses, and the veneer of civilisation shreds to reveal the primal beast within humanity. Through a mosaic of shattered voices; widowed mothers clawing through rubble for scraps, once respectable men turned cannibals in the flickering light of burning suburbs, and hollow-eyed survivors bartering their last shreds of humanity. Kurt Dahl paints a harrowing tableau of anarchy's embrace, where famine doesn't just empty bellies but devours the very essence of the American dream, leaving only echoes of screams in the endless barren night.
As you might detect it’s a dark and haunting story, one that’s not for those of a sensitive disposition. The book opens with a quote by Thomas Hobbes one we should all heed, “Hell is the truth seen too late.
Anyone who believes they could survive in such a dire situation, this book will test whether they truly have what it takes to survive🤔 E&OE
BattleGrown@reddit
There's a sub for this: r/economicCollapse
LiminalEra@reddit
I have reported this thread to the mod team, but I want to point out: literally every response from the OP in this thread is blatantly AI generated.
Icy-Medicine-495@reddit
General consensus is the financial markets are now 100% independent of real world events. So no idea how to predict when it actually collapses financially since the current market doesn't make sense.
Pay off your debts. Learn to live on less. Save up money for a rainy day. Become self sufficient. Be your own handyman, farmer, medic, and any other skill you depend others to do for you.
Orange_Indelebile@reddit
Would like to add to the above, if after doing all the above, you still want to store value somewhere, then you have options like buy agricultural land, forest, equipment and light infrastructure (solar panels, green house, farm equipment, a horse or two if you can, batteries, water filtration systems,...), invest in a close nit community, or buy metals with industrial value like physical copper, or fertilizer if you can store it safely.
close_my_eyes@reddit
Did you read The Big Short? It goes into much more detail than the movie. Basically, there was one guy who understood what was going to happen. And he did so because he's autistic and can read through reams of boring, publicly available prospectuses. There's no guarantee that there will be another person like that.
All the others who have the means just try to protect themselves by buying gold and hiding in Argentina.
I survived 2008 without even feeling any effects of it. I had a stable job and owned a house. This time, I'm already feeling the effects. I'm just trying to enjoy the life I have and not worry about the things I can't control.
BusyBanana4205@reddit
I have calls on beans and rice
TyrKiyote@reddit
Land that you can live on, probably. If you can keep it from being taken away.
Livid_Village4044@reddit
Armed mutual aid network with neighboring homesteaders.
threepairs@reddit
Thats a nice fantasy. Until hordes of hungry raiders start coming.
I had this fantasy once too.
Nowadays I think it is much more important to have high mobility and high purchasing power.
HealthyWait2626@reddit
Look I'm as much of a doomer as anyone on this sub butost of the items listed in this post are just a reflection of increased money supply since 2008 or are simply not that troubling. There are reasons to be worried about the global economy (collapse of cheap money from Japan, AI investment concentration) but few are captured in this post.
artbarsa@reddit
AI post…
Fearless-Temporary29@reddit
Stagflation followed by hyper inflation.
Still-Improvement-32@reddit
As in the film The Big Short, we are in a similar but even worse situation. Afew people see what's coming, the big institutions and speculators also know and are criminally profiting from the imminent economic collapse.
21plankton@reddit
I am one who perpetually sees it coming but when it never does I just keep diversified and sit on my hands, while the market keeps going up. Eventually things will hit the fan, but who knows when.
Palegreenhorizon@reddit
Gold is garbage. Put 500$ on shelf stable food. You’ll eat it eventually and can replace it as needed. And it’s not a big loss if things turn out ok. Same for water filtration ( think of it as a camping investment). A reliable firearm. With a little training. Solar panels. Lots of things pay back in the long run with our without an apocalypse
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
That’s the conclusion I came to. Whatever you get now is only going to be more expensive later. So it makes sense to stock up.
And as for water, where I am, our water comes to the house gravity fed from the water tower, but it takes electricity to pump it from underground to fill that tower. Thus, if the power stays out for very long, we lose water too. I’m sure it’s the same in many places.
Wildfires can threaten transmission lines. Store water as much as possible, and invest in good filtration also.
Palegreenhorizon@reddit
Something I’m coming around to is educating others. You don’t need to yell about your hoard of supplies. But normalize people being prepared and sharing skills. If 1% of people have supplies things go very bad. If 30% have supplies maybe things can be stretched and shared.
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
100%.
Puzzleheaded-Pear521@reddit
Lol I handled Lehman retirement accounts for high-up Lehman employees who didn’t know Lehman was collapsing. You are just guessing, at best.
Nathan-Stubblefield@reddit
I left my investments unchanged and the portfolio regained its value.
DeltaShadowSquat@reddit
I’m way ahead of the game. I’ve trimmed things down so that I don’t have a cent to lose!
Voces-Prohibere@reddit
Idk anyone who has over a months worth of funds besides me but they could be lying.
Oldebookworm@reddit
I have about a month
Drone314@reddit
If you don't have super connected insider knowledge, all you've got is luck.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
That's probably true for timing. But there's a difference between "I know exactly when" and "I understand the mechanism well enough to not be caught completely flat-footed."
The people who moved money out of SVB weren't all insiders. Some of them just understood what a bank run looks like in the early hours and acted on publicly available information faster than everyone else.
undisclosedusername2@reddit
It all depends on where you live too. In Australia, our government guaranteed up to $1 million AUD for every personal bank account during the GFC. It was very clever, because it stopped bank runs (and may have helped us avoid a recession). I wouldn't be surprised if our government does the same thing again.
Given I have far, far less than $1 million to my name, I'm not too worried.
dee_lio@reddit
IDK, Warren Buffet has a stockpile of CASH that's just growing and growing. He claims there's just not that much to invest in, but my tin foil hat says that he's just waiting for the 2007 event.
pacheckyourself@reddit
Honestly these days I don’t think there is any “seeing it coming.” 2008 was the last time I think a genuine catastrophe happened that even a lot of people at the top weren’t prepared for. EVERYTHING is controlled and manipulated now, they have a plan, I think we could guess a few possibilities, but honestly the waters are so muddy it’s impossible to know
dynamo_hub@reddit
Timing the market is a fools errand
daringnovelist@reddit
Honestly, most of us who "saw it coming" knew better than to try and time the market. We didn't lose a cent because we didn't sell out, we just sat tight.
The point of prognostication here is not preserving your cash (that's a gamble no matter what) but trying to preserve society.
ZenApe@reddit
In this case I think "seeing it coming" means a nice bottle of whiskey and a single bullet.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
Solid contingency plan but I'm hoping to exhaust the other options first
ZenApe@reddit
Me too, but the hour grows late
bcoss@reddit
cheers friend
nanapancakethusiast@reddit
Coming? It’s already here haha. You already missed it.
AlexTaylorTheKing@reddit
Buy gold and silver. Install solar panels, off grid, if possible. Go vegan. Learn gardening, at least meet minimum calories. Read Ashtavakra Gita.
dcmathproof@reddit
It's just inflation...caused by money printing... If you have/had assets (stocks/gold/bitcoin/real-estate).... Then as the currency is inflated, the price of those assets goes up in relation to that (broken/abused) currency...
Neoliberal_Nightmare@reddit
Use dialectics.
Big-Pomegranate2694@reddit (OP)
Appreciate the Hegel reference but I'm looking for something more operationalizable than thesis-antithesis before the margin calls hit
Few_Fish8771@reddit
To paraphrase jeff bezos advice “dont ask yourself what will change in ten years ask yourself what will remain the same, because the things that remain the same you can build a business around.” Similarly its the invariants of history of wealth of security safety and probability you can build structures or systems around that will likely be the most stable,
icosahedronics@reddit
put yourself in the shoes of future you, what would you consider personally meaningful after a collapse? hopefully, that would include things beyond having a high score in a game nobody is playing anymore.
pohart@reddit
I've been seeing it coming for ten years, luckily I didn't act on my foresight.