A New Charger Hellcat Is Coming With Over 700 Horsepower

The problem is they use the same chassis for the 2 door as the 4 door. If you look at the side profile of the 2 door, it’s very disproportionate and it still has the roofline of the 4 door. It makes it look very awkward, it is a very compromised design.

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Vhozite@reddit

I’m with you. It’s bigger and looks worse than the last gen.

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Fettekatze@reddit

As far as recent car releases go, one could do a lot worse.

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crossandbones@reddit

I’m not a fan of the new look. The front end looks bad and the rear is okay at best in my opinion.

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chameleon_olive@reddit

Have you seen it in person? I had the exact same opinion until I got to walk around one, pictures really hurt this car for some reason

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Vhozite@reddit

I’ve seen in both on the road and up close at the local auto show. The front end looks dorky and the rest of it my only real impression is that it’s big for the sake of being big. Some people like that but it’s not my thing. Vastly prefer the last gen Challenger and Charger.

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somedude456@reddit

I rode in one, at a drift event. The driver then asked what I thought. He failed to properly drift the full course, so I was honest: Seems the performance matches the looks, they really fucked up an iconic car. He said something like "I miss the old ones too."

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crossandbones@reddit

I haven’t seen it in person yet. I hope the design does grow on me in person.

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mishap1@reddit

Didn't people say that because it is already 79.8" wide it can't be wide-bodied because then it exceeds 80" making it a heavy vehicle under federal laws meaning it needs clearance lights like a Ram TRX or Raptor.

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Fettekatze@reddit

Awesome

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ryanissognar@reddit

Its funny cause the ev charger with the track pack already has 325 rears...widebody gonna be viper tires...

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Fettekatze@reddit

345s here we come.

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Alliseeisgold24@reddit

Atlanta is gonna love this!

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phdiesel_@reddit

As someone who leases an EV Charger lived in West Midtown for a few months with it….Atlanta did indeed love it. Never gotten so much attention in a car before

Add a Hellcat engine to it and you immediately become the king of the city.

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Eespinoza10@reddit

Same 30 year old chasis right? Just updated body lines

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kstetter@reddit

New chassis

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Admiral_Pantsless@reddit

Same 20 year old engine though.

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Armored_Guardian@reddit

Can they fit AWD with the Hellcat?

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Admiral_Pantsless@reddit

Hopefully not.

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Handsum_Rob@reddit

Even better, make it selectable, like BMW where you can turn into rwd when smokey burnouts are needed.

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kstetter@reddit

It already is selectable with the I6 version

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jrileyy229@reddit

You think the charger is competing with the Durango?

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Admiral_Pantsless@reddit

They’re both 5,000+lb AWD barges now.

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IAmWellBehaved@reddit

People don't cross-shop bodystyles as strictly as enthusiasts compare vehicles online. As a random example, I recall the second generation Buick LaCrosse's most cross-shopped competitor at one point was the.....Chevrolet Equinox.

I'd absolutely believe a decent portion of customers looking at Chargers at least glance at Durangos.

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jrileyy229@reddit

Lacrosse and equinox are basically the same car... Chargers and Durangos are not

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IAmWellBehaved@reddit

Dodge literally advertised the Durango alongside the Challenger and Charger at various points to draw a connection in the public consciousness of them being a trio of "muscle vehicles". Like a muscle car, the Durango has been available with a suite of V-8s, stripes, uses similar naming conventions (SRT, Hellcat, Jailbreak, etc), all of it. The Equinox is no more like the LaCrosse than a Durango was to a Charger in any case.

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Larcye@reddit

People on this subreddit are delusional. People cross shop all kinds of shit that aren't at all in the same category.

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jrileyy229@reddit

It's a pedestrian sedan and a pedestrian crossover small SUV.

Versus a muscle car and a three row SUV.

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IAmWellBehaved@reddit

A Durango 392 with available racing stripes isn't exactly a Highlander.....

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jrileyy229@reddit

Why do you keep mentioning stripes? Who gives a hoot?

Anyone can put stripes on anything. It's tacky and stupid. You're still comparing two cars that make sense to cross shop with two cars that don't

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IAmWellBehaved@reddit

The point I am making, and I'll make it my final one on this side topic, is that Dodge very much positions the Durango as a kind of "muscle SUV", utilizing stylistic details and naming connections to draw a clear thematic throughline between their most famous muscle cars and how they want the public to view the Durango.

The consumer is not interested in what we hardcore enthusiasts proclaim "makes sense to cross-shop". Anyone who's sold cars can tell you that much.

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jrileyy229@reddit

While that's true, all companies do it... Raptor, cayenne turbo S, whatever.. nobody cross shops a mustang with a raptor.. or a 911 with a cayenne, or a charger with a Durango.

Can confirm sold cars... Never had someone cross shopping a Corvette with a trailblazer SS... Despite the fact they both had an LS2

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mustangfan12@reddit (OP)

Technically it isn't, but it has many of the characteristics that Charger buyers want like the V8. And the Durango V8 is cheaper than the Sixpack, which shouldn't be the case

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jrileyy229@reddit

So one thing constitutes "many characteristics"?

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mustangfan12@reddit (OP)

The V8 engine was one of the main reasons why people bought Chargers

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jrileyy229@reddit

One does not equal many.

I would argue they liked the car and the l look and the niche, and with that came the V8. Now a turbo 6 replaces it that makes significantly more power, can do even more takeover drifting and make just as loud of a noise

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Toucann_Froot@reddit

Charger or challenger? I don't get this shit

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Lilmumblecrapper@reddit

New charger is awful IMO. Hopefully the new Camaro will look good and eat its lunch.

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Masta_Wayne@reddit

To be fair, it's not like the new Charger has very much lunch to eat. They aren't selling very well. The Camaro will mainly have to beat out the Mustang if it wants anyone's lunch.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Challenger should return and become real pony car like OG one. It isn’t just about more affordable, it also can have better fun driving.

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Lilmumblecrapper@reddit

Are you a bot?

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crossandbones@reddit

Affordability is part of the history of the car. Chevy got it right with having the Camaro and Corvette for different price points. Ford is asking for wild prices without any competition in that market.

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Lilmumblecrapper@reddit

Well I meant eat it’s lunch in quarter mile times.

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FrozenUruguayBallbac@reddit

Here is what I hope, they move the Hurricane I6 to a midsized sedan as an M3 killer and for this one ramp up the power on the 5.7 to 480 for the RT and ramp up the 6.4 hemi to 500+ for the Scat pack, this one is the all out insane thing. I also hope they can focus on Aero, weight reduction and handling. Please do, the weight reduction and stiff rear suspension helps for drag racing! quicker 0-60 and less rear squat.

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Round_Ad_6369@reddit

Where do you expect them to magically pull 100hp from for the 5.7?

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randeus@reddit

480 hp out of the 5.7 lol

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srtftw@reddit

No one’s buying these new Chargers. If this won’t get them to the dealers, I expect some heavy discounts on those lower trims. Might be a good time to snag an RT at an even better price.

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crossandbones@reddit

Completely agree.

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Business-Animal4966@reddit

they just should have never made the ev model. the ev model has so many compromises adding weight, I think it's literally hundreds of lbs in terms of structural bracing and dual batteries. The hurricane is a brilliant engine, and if the car was 42-4300 lbs instead of 4800, it would do 0-60 under 3 seconds with awd and room for 4 for just under 50k

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kilertree@reddit

I don't think they had a choice with the rules on emissions.

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Sandy_Koufax@reddit

And the old CEO was obsessed with fuel efficiency.

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1TheBrownMan@reddit

Most people I talk to don't even know there is an ice version of the charger. They think its ev only.

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kstetter@reddit

It's sad, the Hurricane is a great six cylinder

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jaredthegeek@reddit

As someone that likes EVs I agree. It was weird. I love the body but the EV version is terrible.

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tyrannosaurus_r@reddit

It’s much improved. Still not great, objectively, but it’s now serviceable enough that I can enjoy it for what it is.

Damn if that fake exhaust doesn’t still get a smile out of me.

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andrewia@reddit

I heard one at an EV dealer and was very impressed. You could only hear a hint of tinniness, plus some electric noises that they play under the engine noises.

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jaredthegeek@reddit

They are cheap where I am too. Down to like $45k for a new Scat Pack. It’s cheaper to buy than the lease deals.

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perkele_possum@reddit

The bigger problem is that it's expensive as shit now. Most chargers were V6s that you could buy new under $30k any day of the week and get okay gas mileage on the highway. Now you can't find one under $50k and the most base versions have serious power and dooky gas mileage.

Mustangs are mostly ecoboosts and that $30k model is still there.

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Qcumber1860@reddit

Same vehicle for what 20 years now .??

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kstetter@reddit

New platform, the cheapest version has 420hp

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Qcumber1860@reddit

Its the same body...same Chager..Dodge is dead what else do they have ? A 20 yr old Durango model

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chameleon_olive@reddit

It's literally not, nice try though

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kstetter@reddit

New body, new platform, new engine, new everything

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MBolero@reddit

The US Auto industry is in steep decline.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Making fun cars and halo cars can save their loyal fans and reputation. I don’t think that’s a bad move for Chrysler.

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hundredjono@reddit

The European CEO running Stellantis steps down and Stellantis immediately does a 180 by introducing a performance truck, new Copperhead sports car, new SRT models, and now a new Hellcat.

I wish some other CEO that runs one of the Big 3 would step down... you know, the one that's in charge of the company that's been sued numerous times for AFM.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

I do like Peugeot sides getting more fun car models too, 308 GTi and Astra OPC/VXR should come back too.

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Supernova_Soldier@reddit

Neat. I kinda like the body style. I hope they do something about how easy it is to steal though

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1nconspicious@reddit

Hopefully awd will be an option, would easily be the most insane Charger ever built.

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mustangfan12@reddit (OP)

AWD is going to be standard

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whitevwjetta@reddit

I’d hope it would have more power than the previous one

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Mustang2883738828278@reddit

Now we’re fuckin talking. I do hope they offer a cheaper V8 offering tho.

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chlronald@reddit

With how EV giving better and cheaper HP and straight line performance this kind of muscle cars are losing its charm.

Id say ICEV should focus more on handling and cornering where EV is still lacking.

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kstetter@reddit

They already have an ICE version

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8rings_86k@reddit

Ghettos across America rejoice

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hiscapness@reddit

For the 300 people who can afford one, or think they can before it’s repo’d.

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RoyalISF@reddit

Curious what the price will be and if they’ll have trouble moving them. Doubt it but we’ll see

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Eggith@reddit

Top of the line new Charger is hovering around $64,000 iirc. New Hellcat will probably start at $80,000 and push into mid $100,000 for whatever crackpot special editions they conjour up

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RoyalISF@reddit

Sheesh, good luck to them. Hopefully they make it distinctive - I can’t tell when I see one now if it’s electric or gas

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cubs223425@reddit

That's generally been a GOOD thing for Dodges, IMO. What matters is whether or not it looks good. You could get a V6 Charger/Challenger and have something that PRETTY MUCH looked as cool as a Hellcat. Meanwhile, Chevy sold the Camaro with a hideous front-end in its RS trim, and even the SS was just decent. The ZL1 was easily the best-looking of the bunch, but also commanded about double what the RS did.

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IAmWellBehaved@reddit

If they'd actually price it reasonably (for what it is, say mid-to-high-80s) with one of the higher output Hellcat engines and all the aggressive design upgrades you'd want, I think that'd be a pretty great package. All around performance will likely be superior in the Dark Horse SC, but they are seriously expensive. If Dodge prices it like that, it'll be a mistake.

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marksocials97@reddit

Going to guess a 85k-90k starting price. The new Ram Rebel Hellcat is reportedly going to start at 85k

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DaBanninator@reddit

To the surprise of no one.