Man guilty of murdering student with ceremonial knife
Posted by CourtofTalons@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 92 comments
Posted by CourtofTalons@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 92 comments
onepareil@reddit
Sorry, am I reading correctly that the police somehow didn’t notice the victim had been fatally stabbed and he was handcuffed as he bled out until he lost consciousness?
Also, is there reason to believe the attacker lied about the victim calling him racial slurs, as this article seems to imply? Obviously that nowhere near justifies stabbing him to death, but like, what would the motive have been otherwise?
test_test_1_2_3@reddit
What fucking backwards logic is this that there has to be a ‘reason’ behind this lunatic stabbing someone 5 times?
The reason not to believe the attacker is that he’s a murderer and trying to say whatever story he thinks will get him leniency and make him look less guilty.
As you say, even if the victim was shouting slurs it doesn’t justify the stabbing.
Fucking madness that we allow exemptions for religious practices when it comes to knives. This should be the tragedy that sees an end to the Sikh exemption to carry ceremonial daggers. No preferential treatment for any religious practices.
NewtTrick@reddit
He was a student coming back from a night out with his football mates. It seems pretty obvious an argument or fight developed between the two. Perhaps he did say something unpleasant to the guy?
test_test_1_2_3@reddit
Maybe, but it may also have been the nutter with a 5 inch blade who decided to murder the student that started the argument.
There’s no good reason to think the student created the issue or started anything.
CourtofTalons@reddit (OP)
It's true that the victim was handcuffed as he bled out. There's a separate article of the police issuing an apology here. And according to that same article, the police were not aware that the victim had been stabbed ("He also did not tell officers he had stabbed the first-year student with the Sikh kirpan, as officers arrested and handcuffed Mr Nowak.")
According to the same article I linked, are two paragraphs that give reason to believe that the attacker indeed lied:
"In the lead up to the attack, Digwa was filmed by his victim telling him "I am a bad man" moments before the knife attack, which saw Mr Nowak - from Chafford Hundred, Essex - suffer a fatal stab wound to his heart."
"Mr Lobbenberg said Digwa told a "wicked lie" to police about being a victim of a racist attack and that he "lied" by saying he had not stabbed Mr Nowak."
ljfrench@reddit
There is simply no way the victim was stabbed five times, is bleeding out, and the cops don't see all that blood, dont notice or check for nothing, until he collapsed from blood loss. I cannot believe it. Those cops had to know. Had to.
eeeking@reddit
Apparently he didn't bleed "out", but "in", i.e. internal hemorrhage. So the visible bleeding was not as much as might be assumed.
Trollimperator@reddit
Bullshit. If you get stabbed 5 times, once in the face, then you are have blood all over you.
If someone is wounded and not able to communicate anymore, you call a medical emergency. This isnt rocket science. This is just soo bad, normal people get instantly fired over such things.
Relax_Im_Hilarious@reddit
Or just didn’t give a shit…
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
Apparently he didn't bleed "out", but "in", i.e. internal hemorrhage. So the visible bleeding was not as much as might be assumed.
Ok-Western-4176@reddit
Even if the visible bleeding was not that heavy, even though, if I read correctly he was stabbed multiple times, I already find that doubtful there had to be quite a bit of bleeding. It is absolutely insane to arrest the victim, even if say, everything was true the logical next step is to arrest the stabber regardless of what he says and have EMT's check out the stabbing victim regardless of how bad the wounds appeared to be and go from there.
If afterwards you want to arrest the victim on the grounds of vague assertions he said some racist shit thats something else entirelly.
I'd say that the police officers in question need to be fired and prosecuted on some form of gross missmanagement of authority and perhaps even some variant of aiding in the victims killing, cause unless some footage comes out where the victim is, say assaulting the officers I can literally find no logical reason for the actions they took aside from being in the best case scenario utterly incompetent.
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
Yeah, its an unreal situation from my perspective too. LBC says that they only noticed when he collapsed and gave him first aid, but it was too late.
Ok-Western-4176@reddit
I wonder if they have Bodycams or something like that, because I mean, even if somehow there was very little blood, you'd at least assume the victim told them he got stabbed and/or attacked with a knife, that alone would be reason enough to warrant medical involvement.
Like I said, incompetence is the best case scenario here, in so far as you can call the police indirectly aiding in someone's death a "best case". While I don't like conjecture it does look very, very, very off in general, like the situation seems to absurd to just be incompetence.
clubby37@reddit
The victim had been stabbed the back of the legs and slashed across the face. Did the chest wound produce a lot of external blood? Maybe not, because there's a chest cavity or lung space to bleed into, but lacerations to the head never fail to bleed like crazy, and I'm pretty sure stabs to major muscle groups bleed a lot, too, being highly vascular tissue with no internal cavities to hold fluid. There's no way this poor kid wasn't covered head to toe, and with the other parties uninjured, the cops should have been able to figure out who needed the handcuffs and who needed emergency medical help.
Ok-Western-4176@reddit
Thats what I am saying, either it is gross negligence and complete ineptitude, like I can't even fathom what the absolute buffoons of police officers were even thinking or it was just downright malicious, I really hope they have bodycams because this is insane whatever way you look at it.
2nd-penalty@reddit
UK cops are the most incompetent and corrupt police force compared to anywhere else
They don't serve the community at all and only does the bidding of the state and parliament and I've seen no evidence telling me otherwise
Artificial-Brain@reddit
You're genuinely delusional if you believe this. The UK police are far from perfect but they're far better trained compared to somewhere like the US.
2nd-penalty@reddit
They're so well trained they can miss a man in handcuffs bleeding to death from multiple stab wounds
Artificial-Brain@reddit
Can you point out where I said they were perfect and immune from making mistakes? I've lived in a few places including the US and I'll take UK police over a lot of the other options.
2nd-penalty@reddit
I've never said any police force was perfect either and I'll never call any police force perfect but missing multiple stab wounds is a pretty BIG mistake and reflects very badly on the quality on the entire force
Artificial-Brain@reddit
I've never claimed that this situation wasn't anything but terrible but after I'll always take the UK police over US police. Overall the UK police are trained pretty well in de-escalating situations whereas in places like the US they just pull a gun on you.
jdehjdeh@reddit
You either know nothing of the rest of the world or you're just talking nonsense.
We have some of the most community minded policing in the world.
Daysleeper1234@reddit
What's the percentage of solved crimes by UK police?
jdehjdeh@reddit
It's a bit of a deceptively simple question, eg. What do we mean by "solved"? Does that requirement or definition vary depending on particular categories of crime? etc.
There's no such thing as "percentage of solved crime" for any police force in the world, it's a much more complex and nuanced topic and data set than that.
So your question doesn't really have an answer.
Daysleeper1234@reddit
It is actually pretty simple. Of all reported crimes only 3 - 6% lead to a suspect being charged. That means, that either 90%+ crimes in England are falsely reported, and that UK police has an excellent record, or that vast majority of cases are not solved. For example, Germany has around 60%. You can google it if you wish.
jdehjdeh@reddit
And you can provide some sources for those numbers right?
Daysleeper1234@reddit
Yup.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1402586/crimes-solved-england-and-wales/
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/crime-outcomes-in-england-and-wales-2024-to-2025/crime-outcomes-in-england-and-wales-2024-to-2025
˝between the year ending March 2016 and year ending March 2022, the proportion of victim-based crimes resulting in a charge/summons steadily declined (from 11.1% to 4.6%); however, in recent years the trend has reversed, with the latest year’s figure rising to 6.3% up from 5.5% the previous year.˝
These are the official numbers, you can check it.
jdehjdeh@reddit
Well done, I'm genuinely surprised you bothered.
Now, go find the stats for Germany.
Also, go through and find the overall percentage for the UK, not just victim based crime, then compare the two.
Then tell me why there's such a difference.
I'll give you a hint, it's nothing to do with efficacy, it's to do with exactly what I told you earlier.
2nd-penalty@reddit
They're arresting people over online internet posts over there, normal people can't even walk around with basic household items while dangerous people like the one in the post gets to walk around with a huge ass blade because religious reasons? There's a 2 tier policing going on in the UK and you're just too blind to see it
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
Apparently he didn't bleed "out", but "in", i.e. internal hemorrhage. So the visible bleeding was not as much as might be assumed.
jdehjdeh@reddit
Oh dear, you've hit a number of right wing bullshit talking points there.
1) "Arresting people for saying mean things online" - sort of correct but with important missing context. They arrested people for things like making terroristic threats, posting information that endangers or encourages violence against individuals and so on. You'd be arrested and investigated in any western nation for similar offences.
2) "Normal people can't do anything but non white people can do whatever they want" - Just bullshit. But specifically regarding Sikhs, they have a religious exemption to knife carrying laws, just like an exemption exists for certain workers or tradesmen. These exemptions have been around a long time, they aren't a problem. Of course there's eventually going to be 1 case once every 20 years where a Sikh person kills another person with their religiously exempt blade. This is the first time I've heard of it in my entire life. This guy killed a person because he's a shit, not because he's a Sikh. I live in a place with one of the highest percentages of Sikhs in the country and I can tell you that there is more to fear from a "normal" person than a Sikh. Do you get on your soapbox when a builder kills someone? Or a chef?
3) "2 tier policing" - Oh this old chestnut. This one is relatively new in the current generation of right wing nonsense. It's one of the last places racists and retards go to try and explain why the world hates them and the police keep arresting them for doing racist and retarded things. "The police must hate me because I'm white!", or "They let all the immigrants get away with crimes!". Just plain bullshit from beginning to end. It's a victim kink disguised as political discourse.
2nd-penalty@reddit
That's all bullshit and you know it, if everyone in the western world can be arrested for that, then why aren't more governments including the UK doing more to supress the support online for terrorists organization like Hamas, ISIS, the houthis, etc? Just a couple of months ago you literally had a rapper on a stage calling for the deaths of Israeli service members, and the only arrests I've seen by UK police over online content were over the smallest trivial and mundane stuff, like internet arguments that were spiraling
I don't have a problem with builders and tradesmen but i do have a problem with religious exemption for dangerous objects, no religion is important enough that they need a exemptions, especially exemptions for blades and knives, when even the ordinary people can't walk around with it getting back home, but of course I'll get mad too if a builder or chef kills someone with their religiously exempt tools since again religious exemptions are stupid
There's nothing in that paragraph that disproves the existence of 2 tier policing, beyond calling it a right wing talking point and a victim kink
Buzumab@reddit
Uh, the News International scandal, Daniel Morgan scandal, Charing Cross scandal, more controversially and arguably the grooming scandals... all stories of police complicity in major, long-running criminal corruption schemes and worse.
The UK has community-minded policing. It also has corrupt and criminally complicit policing.
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
Apparently he didn't bleed "out", but "in", i.e. internal hemorrhage. So the visible bleeding was not as much as might be assumed.
Reasonable-Web1494@reddit
Maybe compared to first world countries. Not the rest of the world.
Daysleeper1234@reddit
I will give you a hint.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/05/police-review-liaison-officer-muslims-weapons-mosque/
onepareil@reddit
That first paragraph maybe, although it could also be the case that the kid started recording after he called Digwa a slur and Digwa started to behave really aggressively.
Obviously Digwa lied about having stabbed the victim, which is part of why the police didn’t notice his injuries. But it seems like he could be telling the truth about why he stabbed the kid.
I’m not saying this because I think the killing was justified, but because if it’s true, it’s another example of why the radicalization of teenagers, especially teenage boys, is so dangerous. Not only because of what they might do to other people, but because of what other people might do to them for being racist little idiots. I knew a guy in college who almost died because he was being an edgy drunk and called the wrong person a racial slur, then he got beaten so badly he spent a week in the hospital. It happens.
Emissairearien@reddit
I get what you're trying to say
BUT
It just doesn't work like that. You are supposed to be a nice person and not insult others in public obviously, but not doing that shouldn't get you killed in a civilized society.
Even if (and that's a big IF because there are zero proofs beside the speech of one clearly ill and dangerous guy) he had indeed insulted him, it's not a big deal especially compared to murder.
The murderer also had the big knife with him from the get-go, you don't normally keep a huge knife with you if you are not ready to use it.
Anyway, there is only one psycho in this story and that's the killer, trying to shift the blame is absolutely ridiculous...
psyche_13@reddit
No, Sikhs do carry a large knife and it is not intended to stab people
MaestroRozen@reddit
They don't usually carry a large, sharp one though, unless they're a psychopath who's just using their religion as an excuse to carry a deadly weapon wherever they go, and if you call them out you're discriminating. A small, dull ornamental blade is more than enough for the symbolism of it - and maybe it's time for laws to change to reflect that.
ExtremeGamingFetish@reddit
What is it intended for?
keker0t@reddit
Defence and defence of those in need Sikhs have been carrying it for hundreds of years and have used it justly
Emissairearien@reddit
But it's still a weapon, and not a small one at that...
If tomorrow a new religion is created and asks its believers to carry a gun at all times, then that rule in particular should be restricted simply because of how dangerous it is (so for example, it could be allowed in public but forbidden in schools, planes, official buildings, etc). Believers can still follow their faith, but in a society you have to adapt for the greater good
Emissairearien@reddit
I get that but it's still a weapon, and not a small one at that...
If tomorrow a new religion is created and asks its believers to carry a gun at all times, then that rule in particular should be restricted simply because of how dangerous it is (so for example, it could be allowed in public but forbidden in schools, planes, official buildings, etc). Believers can still follow their faith, but in a society you have to adapt for the greater good
blizmd@reddit
Absolutely gross victim blaming but I suppose you’re too myopic to even see it
BeginningFollowing56@reddit
What on earth are you trying to say? You are bending yourself into a pretzel trying to blame the man that got stabbed despite evidence - that you asked for - disagreeing with you. It also doesn’t matter, as contrary to what your anecdote suggests extreme violence is not a valid response to being insulted.
Himalayanyomom@reddit
Same ass mental gymnastics slippery slope that got the UK where it is now
1egg_4u@reddit
Wow you guys really struggle with choking back the anti-immigrant rhetoric geez
BeginningFollowing56@reddit
Guys? What did I say to get lumped in with this knob
BeginningFollowing56@reddit
Alright calm down, not at all the point of my post.
geltance@reddit
Victims phone was found in digwas pocket and the kid barely had any alcohol in his blood.
SaneSociopathPolitic@reddit
There's articles out there that say he had told officers he was stabbed, but the assailant and the assailants dad were telling cops he was lying as well as rattling off a bunch of buzzwords to make them sound like they were actually the victims.
imnotcreative635@reddit
Motive could just be that he’s psychotic
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
Apparently he didn't bleed "out", but "in", i.e. internal hemorrhage. So the visible bleeding was not as much as might be assumed.
thirstymario@reddit
After all that happened you still try the “but how do we know he wasn’t really being racist?” Jesus.
walmarttshirt@reddit
Sometimes people are just crazy. That can be a reason. I’m not saying in this case it’s true but too many times the media tries to justify it as a race crime or a crime of passion or whatever. Sometimes people be crazy.
SaneSociopathPolitic@reddit
The beginning of the interaction was caught on camera as the victim was recording. Seemingly no slurs were spoken.
As for motive... well he stole his phone after chasing him down into a corner. A bit excessive there sure but... maybe he really just wanted to rob him and got mad at the resistance.
MongolPerson@reddit
>Digwa gave the knife to his mother and it was later found by police at their family home along with more than 20 other Sikh weapons.
Should Sikhs be allowed religious exemptions to British knife laws? It's an incredible story given the amount of weapons regulation that UK state has. And if Sikhs lose these exemptions and are forced to assimilate to British culture how many will leave the UK?
Mecha-Dave@reddit
There is no reason for a Sikh to carry a SHARP knife. They can carry an ornamental one if they want...
SilencedObserver@reddit
No. There's no reason to be carrying a knife. Period. Partaking in society is not a ceremonyh.
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT@reddit
Dude there are so many ceremonies to pubic society. Cutting ribbons, giving keys to the city, weddings, even football celebrations count
SilencedObserver@reddit
You truly don't get the point. Big ol whoosh.
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT@reddit
That's not how that works
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
He was carrying one, actually.
Mecha-Dave@reddit
yes, ornamental and sharp. it shouldn't be sharp.
Shit, give them plastic or wooden blades.
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
Sorry, I mean he was carrying a small ornamental one that wasn't sharp around his neck, in addition to the 8 inch blade he stabbed the kid with.
For some reason, this article doesn't mention it.
Mecha-Dave@reddit
Oh, right - yeah. I don't think you should get to claim an 8 inch sharp blade is a "religious artifact" you need to carry everywhere with you.
I probably have similar attachments to my .44 Rhino DS with Nebula finish, but you don't see me carrying it everywhere in public.
Worth_Garbage_4471@reddit
Don't all US states allow you to carry a gun around? Not sure how this is different.
Mecha-Dave@reddit
No, not all - and most would have similar restrictions to the uk on carrying a knife on your person
Emissairearien@reddit
Exactly lol
You can still follow your faith but in a society you have to adapt to the rules for the greater good
I read a little about those sikh knifes online and there are some absolutely INSANE stories out there... Like for example a canadian boy took his knife to his swimming lesson at a local swimming pool, was forbidden to enter (you can basically imagine a child in swim trunks with a freaking knife in his hand... OBVIOUSLY that wouldn't get allowed) and yet, the community was outraged and screamed about discrimination, and so it was allowed in the end...
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
Kirpan - Wikipedia if anyone wants to know more abt it
parrmindersingh@reddit
maybe because of this ?
Worth_Garbage_4471@reddit
This is the ideal Sikh dress right here. Nobody adhering to this code is going to wander around stabbing teenagers in Southampton.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/1dq8puw/can_an_ishnani_kirpaan_be_worn_as_a_normal_kirpan/
CRoss1999@reddit
That seems like such a huge flaw in the law, you shouldn’t be able to have a real knife for religious reasons, just get a fake one
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
This article doesn't mention it, but he had a small knife around his neck that satisfied the religious required.
The 8 inch knife was unnecessary.
Hay_Fever_at_3_AM@reddit
I was under the impression that most Sikhs around here (Canada) carried blunt, dull, knife-style pieces of metal
LaminatedAirplane@reddit
They do
MostAccomplishedBag@reddit
They say they do. Does anyone check?
1egg_4u@reddit
...in my province people walk around with pocketknives and leathermans out. You get salty about those guys too?
scrimhog@reddit
They don't bring them onto flights and into schools.
LaminatedAirplane@reddit
How many incidents in Canadian schools and flights have there been?
1egg_4u@reddit
I bring knitting needles on flights that could hurt someone just as bad or worse than a dull ceremonial hunk of metal
We used to sharpen our metal rulers in schools to get them razor sharp... you're not getting the point here
scrimhog@reddit
They have been used to hijack airplanes three times and Canada still allows them on domestic flights.
There are no Hindu nationalists in Canada hunting down Sikhs. There are especially none on any air canada flights. It's old world shit that needs to be left in the old world.
LaminatedAirplane@reddit
I’ve asked some of my Sikh friends and have seen them myself. Lots of people in /r/everydaycarry bring knives with them around too.
1egg_4u@reddit
Not trying to put myself on a list but you could probably still stab someone with that...
But we also just generally assume most people arent gonna try to stab us, but there is a lot of stuff youd be surprised can be a stabby implement as long as it is strong and pointy enough
I think a ceremonial sheath would probably make more sense but this also is about as statistically probably as a mall sword attack id reckon. Like I would expect to hear about some mall ninja taking a katana or machete for a spin more than I am to hear a ceremonial sikh dagger being used
bearkin1@reddit
You can jab someone with car keys. Or a screwdriver. Or bash someone with a rock you pick up off the ground. Anything can be a weapon, so I wouldn't be worried about something that's not an effective weapon.
1egg_4u@reddit
Well yeah and a ceremonial sword isnt exactly an "effective weapon" imo, theyre basically a duller letter opener
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Typically, the Kirpans carried by Sikhs that are given a religious exemption are very small, basically ornate pennknives. Cases like this just aren’t heard of.
enwongeegeefor@reddit
Kirpan only supposed to be unsheathed as a "last resort." Calling you racist names and knocking your headwear off may be extra shitty and a sign of a terrbile person...but that definitely isn't a valid reason for unsheathing a kirpan.
SaneSociopathPolitic@reddit
Now charge his family who lied to the cops on his behalf at the scene of the crime, including his mom, who took the dagger to hide and swapped it out.
Definitely should also look into the cops there. They do body cameras on all officers there right?
The fact that they just arrested someone with multiple stab wounds and left him there without calling for an ambulance is incredibly negligent at best.
Ok-Goose6242@reddit
Apparently he didn't bleed "out", but "in", i.e. internal hemorrhage. So the visible bleeding was not as much as might be assumed. Its still quite negligent of the cops.
Frank_The-Tank@reddit
The mother was also charged for tampering with evidence and/or removing the knife from the scene of a crime.