How did vape shops, phone-case shops and Turkish barbers become the holy trinity of high streets?
Posted by georgepcanning@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 137 comments
And what are our thoughts on the REAL business dealings of the first twoš
Independent-Try4352@reddit
Shops with no customers, a couple of blokes inside on their phones, and very expensive motors parked outside? I couldn't possibly comment.
Demonthief27@reddit
One has appeared in my tiny village of 3000 peopleā¦.
BurlyJoesBudgetEnema@reddit
Im sure none of those people vape. Must be a front for drugs
Demonthief27@reddit
I know right the 2 shops and hairdressers that already existed must have been inundated and and we need a Turkish barbers where 3 people just sit on a chair outside all day.
3000 for a village is small. The local primary school closed one part of the building because of the lack of children there š
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
My village is around 500 people. 3000 is pushing small town in my mind.
Demonthief27@reddit
Itās still a parish it seems, I agree it would push into small town but itās a weird village lol we have an upper and a lower
Valdred_@reddit
Turkish kebab shop where i live was laundering money as well as importing and selling cocaine.Ā
That got shut down and suddenly loads of barbers open š
DifficultyCharming82@reddit
āYou might think that, but I couldnāt possibly commentā
Bluntbutnotonpurpose@reddit
You just know it's a card-only business, right?
NightBusToGiro@reddit
Which would usually mean they are actually paying their taxes.
Slight-Picture-8307@reddit
Or rinsing money.
NightBusToGiro@reddit
It's quite hard to rinse money via a Sum Up or BT PDQ machine. They are directly connected your account which would be sent straight to HMRC.
Old-Awareness4657@reddit
no they're not
Slight-Picture-8307@reddit
Is it, aye?
Timely_Cake_917@reddit
Yes. If not instant then at some point. Every transaction
buffalosoldier111@reddit
Do you mean cash
Parking_Walrus7683@reddit
most nail bars and beauticians are the same
RichardOfHove@reddit
Money laundering
help-its-inside-me@reddit
They are almost all fronts for money laundering. Its racist to raise suspicion.
The_Molemans_bawbag@reddit
The simple answer is that authorities were/still are terrified of the "racist" label. They didn't bother investigating or prosecuting, and now they're an obvious problem.
So now, when the authorities do investigate, the criminal gangs have enough money and power to intimidate local authorities that they just don't bother anymore.
faustcousindave@reddit
Money laundering.
You misses American sweet shops though.
Nerissa23@reddit
Because you are using amazon to buy your products
edkidgell@reddit
It must be a plot...
Fantastic-Pear6241@reddit
I mean if you want the real answer it's that online shopping and large corporate supermarkets killed most locally owned shops.
There's a reason why I try to shop local when I can.
BurlyJoesBudgetEnema@reddit
Everyone time there's a thread about vapes and barbers i wish these comments would be higher up
Like I know its more interesting if these shops are all run by gangsters with mountains of drugs and cash in the storeroom, but what you said is the reality for >95% of them
Fantastic-Pear6241@reddit
People love sensationalism.
People don't like to accept that their own decisions to buy from Amazon etc. has helped the decline of their local economy.
I'm glad I stopped buying from Amazon entirely about five years ago, not that I was a huge Amazon shopper before. I only wished I'd stopped earlier.
I see why people do it, there's certainly a convenience to it. But I'd rather have local shops and my money going to the profits of someone local than spending the money and it leaving the country entirely and ending up in Bezos' pocket.
Peng_Terry@reddit
You donāt get your Turkish barber haircut online?
Ok-Safe262@reddit
The Turks must now have very long hair and/or the barber's pay is crap. All their barbers have seemingly ended up in the UK. Can't say I have seen much improvement in British hair styles though!
Tin-Chan@reddit
Just like skills in the Matrix
georgepcanning@reddit (OP)
Yeah itās true - I live in a small village and when I was little about 20years ago it had a shop for every aisle of the supermarket. Now the holy trinity have ridden in to town like the horsemen of the high street apocalypse haha
non-hyphenated_@reddit
I own a retail business and there's a case shop next door but one to me. Consequently I'm pretty confident on what their rent & business rates are. There's no way on God's green Earth that they sell enough cases, screen protectors and assorted tat to even get near those outgoings. Not in a screaming blue fit. Even if their margin was 90% the volume they'd need to shift week in, week out is just not happening.
joeChump@reddit
Was in a mini mart vape shop earlier after the pub to buy a choccy bar. While I was choosing, a bloke walked in behind me and the counter guy clocked him. Went to the side to.fetch something. Then hid it under the counter. So shifty. After heād served me and I was leaving, I was watching in the reflection of the windows. Cashier reached below the counter and some deal was done. Definitely dodgy. I guess drugs.
BuddyLegsBailey@reddit
Nah, worse than drugs, single use vapes
joeChump@reddit
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DifferenceTough7288@reddit
My wife went into one of the million pizza, kebab burger places in town (god knows what possessed her other than pregnancy cravings) and she said when she went in they looked stunned someone went in actually asking for foodā¦ā¦
Thats-me-that-is@reddit
Do they have an eBay or similar shop? A shop could be cheaper than a warehouse if they are selling from stock, or could be a local address if drop shipping
corobo@reddit
It's mostly online sales mate don't worry don't it šĀ
georgepcanning@reddit (OP)
Interesting indeedā¦
CoffeeKeyDog@reddit
Theyāre laundering illicit funds
ramirezdoeverything@reddit
I don't know why people always lump Turkish barber shops in with the likes of phone case shops, because the Turkish barbers around me always seem to be busy enough and I have no issue believing they are viable businesses, unlike the phone case shops
Remote_Development13@reddit
Just back from my monthly pay-day trip to the Turkish barbers down the road. Really lovely people and the best barbers I've ever been to, I take a bottle of wine and a card for the guy who owns it every year at Christmas
Lilja-Logason@reddit
If he's Turkish he's probably Muslim. Does he drink wine?
Fluff546@reddit
Iām Turkish and I drink wine and eat pork. Lots of Turks are secular in their daily habits.
Remote_Development13@reddit
Lots of Turkish people are pretty secular and often very liberal in their adherance to Islam
MintBerryFondue@reddit
My local Turkish/Kurdish barbers give the best skin fades for 15 quid.
My barber even throw in a complimentary ear singeing once in a while.
Honestly, Iāve got nothing to complain about. I think most people end up pissed off because they walk out with a terrible haircut after failing to explain or communicate properly how they want their style or length of hair to be, from what I gathered in the google reviews.
Remote_Development13@reddit
Until I started going to a Turkish barber, I had no idea how much my nose hair needed regular waxing
thehighyellowmoon@reddit
Agree. Haircuts are like a national speciality in Turkey, it's like believing every French or Italian restaurant is a money laundering shop. The main crime with Turkish barbershops would be tax avoidance, which is wrong, but mine is local takes card and does a decent cut.
Phone case and vape shops are definitely more sus.
DifferenceTough7288@reddit
No shit thereās like 8 on the same street where I live thereās no way that many people need their hair cutting
LonelyStranger8467@reddit
Turkish barbershops are not impervious to market saturation.
We know a significant amount of them are related to criminal activity. Legitimate barbers donāt have barbershop turf wars. NCA doesnāt raid thousands of legitimate barbers. Legitimate barbers donāt swap hands every few months, either the directors or to an entirely new limited company. The barbers are suddenly salaried and on Ā£30,000 per annum when they need to bring their wife to the UK.
sorderon@reddit
Every week a guy turns up in some big motor and a bag is handed over. Who knows why ....
georgepcanning@reddit (OP)
Oh no I do agree with you - thatās why I was specific about suggesting only the other two were up to dodgy dealings. I donāt believe Turkish barbers are in anyway illegitimate, but I think they get lumped in with the rest because they appear just everywhere you go where maybe 20 years ago they just werenāt. Iām sure no one needing their hair cut would complain haha
front-wipers-unite@reddit
My gripe with Turkish barbers has always been that I've only ever had one haircut that looked like anything.
Stunning_Grocery_710@reddit
I was having a conversation with my turkish barber yesterday. He was complaining that 90% of barbers were not turkish despite pretending to be and were there to launder weed money. He was fuming about the bad reputation it was giving him and other legit barbers.
KeyZookeepergame9466@reddit
Why don't HMRC just start making random calls to these businesses and check their books?Ā
Grendahl2018@reddit
Because HMRC is just a rebranded Inland Revenue. They (the IR) have never been interested in active enforcement action, preferring to leave everything to sorting stuff out after a tax offence was hopefully detected and then reaching a āsettlementā.
HM Customs & Excise, responsible for VAT, excise duties etc. (and which was folded into HMRC in 2004 in one of the biggest mistakes a Labour government ever committed) was a much more aggressive enforcement organisation. Random surprise inspections, specialist task forces, etc. and not afraid to take things to court AND spend the money to do so
Stratospheric-Ferret@reddit
...and when someone does show up to one of these shops, an "employee" is there who only has a phone number for his boss and doesn't know anything else.
TheHoneyThief@reddit
There was a similar happening with the American candy stores in London.
The setup is simple: You, a person from another land, lease a shop in London and buy a load of stuff that has a value that is perceived to be high both due to scarcity and the fact it's imported. That way you can charge a ridiculous amount for what little sales you make.
You skimp on the bills - for example you don't pay the business rates and pay the electricity / water bill late and keep changing supplier. Maybe even fold the company a few times so people are asking for money from a company that doesn't exist anymore. When the risks of messing with HMRC for tax / business rates outweigh the benefits of pure profit (around the 11 month mark), you leave the keys in the door and go back to whatever country you came from.
This is the clincher - if you've made off with, say, £20,000 profit and gone back to a country where the average annual wage is £5,000 then you've got four times the annual average salary to do with as you please. For perspective, if you went somewhere and came back with four times the minimum wage (say 4x £24K = £96,000), then that money would serve as a solid base for your future, be it a legitimate business, a deposit on a property, or a really nice car.
And who says crime doesn't pay?
rising_then_falling@reddit
They don't even leave the keys in the door, they hand them over to the next person from said country.
The business is officially owned by some random student who gets paid a fee for the inconvenience of eventually having to declare bankruptcy and be banned from directorship for a few years.
As soon as one business folds a new one starts and takes over the lease. People run them for cash in hand.
Stratospheric-Ferret@reddit
Some people in those communities will be paid a small stipend to be named as a director for a business that they have nothing to do with.
They don't care, it's just a bit of extra money to them. When the business is in trouble there's nobody to go after.
It saddens me how rife it is.
CharacterEye3775@reddit
Stagnant UK economy for almost 20 years
StaticMomentums@reddit
Because all the councils are working with them to take illegal money through money laundering operations. They will gladly turn a blind eye if theyāre meeting their extortionate rents and business rates. They donāt give a toss about legitimate business trying to make a name for themselves in their local towns. This is why all these local independent businesses youāve grown up with have disappeared. This is also why you end up mostly shopping at Amazon, Tesco etc, thereās no choice anymore and theyāre playing right into mega corporations pockets by wiping them out. Honestly these rates should be capped by means tested methods and certain premisses should be black listed all together.
Key_Beach3250@reddit
Ever heard of county lines?
Missbhavin67@reddit
My nearest shopping area is turkish barbers, fast food and bookies. Surprisingly no vape shops
VodkaMargarine@reddit
If you own a commercial property that is empty then you have to pay the business rates. The government do that to discourage having empty shops on the high street.
So people who own those shops are desperate to rent them out to literally any business so they are not unoccupied.
Vape shops and barbers are extremely cheap to set up. And can easily be used for money laundering purposes. So it's a situation that is beneficial for everyone on paper. The government gets the empty shop occupied, the landlord doesn't have to pay business rates on an empty shop, and the people running the shop get to use it for dodgy organised crime purposes. Everyone is a winner. Except all the other people in the town of course. But who cares about them.
JCDU@reddit
I've had business folks tell me that it's cheaper to demolish an old industrial unit if it's empty and re-build it later if someone wants to rent it than pay the rates on it.
DifferenceTough7288@reddit
Unless it affects a rich person they donāt care
AnyWalrus930@reddit
Yeah, many landlords barely care whether they get rent as long as they arenāt paying business rates.
The business sets up doesnāt pay rent or business rates and shuts down when they start getting pursued legally for unpaid business rates.
Set up costs for those businesses are so low that you barely need to sell anything to make enough money to make it worthwhile.
Many may be money laundering but by no means all.
The truth is the business rates system is not for purpose and big chunks of the UK just have too much retail space for the way people live their lives now.
Junior_Syrup_1036@reddit
When authorities stop/too scared to ask questions....
mumwifealcoholic@reddit
They have what people want.
I know it's popular in racists shit circles to say that brown shop owners MUST be committing crimes, whilst leaving out the multiple tanning salons, nail bars, and tattoo parlors as though they can't possibly be criminal...
Your high street is shite becasue you stppped using it. That's the the simple truth.
Stop blaming everyone else.
Disastrous-Archer-86@reddit
The secret ingredient is crime
chronicbint@reddit
It's amazing how many towns are flush with so many money launderers. Reddit experts š
LonelyStranger8467@reddit
Itās hardly without merit.
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/operation-machinize-hundreds-of-barbershops-targeted-in-nca-coordinated-crackdown
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/operation-machinize-2-thousands-of-businesses-targeted-in-coordinated-crackdown-on-high-street-crime
Seven barbers sentenced after 'disgraceful' daytime turf war brawl
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jkwjy4k3xo
Criminal network behind UK mini-marts enables migrants to work illegally - BBC investigation
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o
'We will kill you and burn your house': Council staff under attack from High Street gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxplq92rx1o
Crime fixer caught by BBC offering to erase £60k fines on migrant workers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3kevkl3pdo
UK-registered firms linked to payments for small-boat crossings, BBC finds
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626znvne0xo
chronicbint@reddit
Its exaggerated to the extreme.
DarkLordTofer@reddit
Iād imagine the majority of towns have various gangs of drug dealers. So there is demand for money laundering.
chronicbint@reddit
Its mostly in peoples heads. š¤·
non-hyphenated_@reddit
If you own one barbers you could launder a small amount of money. If you have access to a few hundred across the country you launder more. It's not what's being generated in one town but spreading that out across 60 towns.
corobo@reddit
Everyone but me is doing dodgy dealings and crimes.
That's why I stay in the house and listen to 24/7 true crime podcastsĀ
georgepcanning@reddit (OP)
I donāt think we profess to be āexpertsā in possession of the answers. Weāre all just aware of the phenomenon of these shops - vape and phone case that is - that indeed are flush in most towns and their always being empty, containing little stock and an absence of national acknowledgment of these things. Weāre curious.
franki-pinks@reddit
Why do people keep asking this when itās been known for years what these shops do? Same as these new 24/7 newsagents that are popping up selling stuff for nearly half the price of a normal newsagents. They are laundering money for criminal gangs.
sickiesusan@reddit
You missed out nail bars?!
DarkLordTofer@reddit
We all know that they are just money laundering fronts for less legitimate activity.
OsotoViking@reddit
The police know too. I don't know why they don't crack down on it.
DifferenceTough7288@reddit
Theyād rather get you with one of their little shitty mobile speed cameras doing 33 in a 30 whilst they eat their doughnuts. Actually cracking down on this requires though, effort, and competence and Iām pretty sure most police score 0/3 on that front
Nosedive888@reddit
Evidence. It's not what you know, it's what you can prove in court.
Do I know my ex cheated on me? Yes. Can I prove it? No
The police in my home city know there's groups of men who roam the city centre on weekends at night, looking for lone vulnerable women to sexually assault. They can do anything about it? I'm unfortunately not, coz they can't prove it.
But I feel it's worth noting, they have officers stationed at most street corners and they are under heavy surveillance, add the volunteers who patrol and help people who need it and it's actually pretty safe
Aggravating_Band_353@reddit
Heavy surveillance hahaha that's why the coppers don't come to burglaries for days, busy surveiling
Until the BBC did a series of articles on this, it was a, right wing Dail fail conspiracy and didn't exist.. It's been going on decades. They don't have powers to stop them or resources to monitor them, it's too widespread. And they just start a new Ltd and crack on if they are caughtĀ
Nosedive888@reddit
I think you have mixed up some things.
The people the police are monitoring are the men looking to assault women on nights out
And they're only under surveillance while the bars are open
Timely_Cake_917@reddit
Money to get the evidence.
Same with hmrc
RockTheBloat@reddit
And people trafficking.
Parking-Tip1685@reddit
Reddit types always say the barbers are money laundering but whenever I want a trim there's normally a 1 hour queue. I guess there's more people around now and it's haircuts are the one thing you can't get cheap online.
Parking_Walrus7683@reddit
Reddit types generally are unwashed and ungroomed, so they have a skewed perspective
georgepcanning@reddit (OP)
I quite agree and thatās why I was specific in the sub-text to suggest only the vape and phone-case shops were dodgy. I only mention them though because, like the other two theyāre everywhere where 15-20 years ago they werenāt. Iām interesting in the phenomenon of them suddenly being everywhere, and I donāt doubt that the answers are wholly different from vape and phone case shops.
Parking-Tip1685@reddit
I suppose you should consider why the shops from 15-20 years ago failed and what other types of shops could succeed. You can buy almost anything cheaper online.
To be fair not many people were vaping 20 years ago and a specialist vape shop can explain the differences between the options they sell. There probably is some laundering going on, I've never seen anybody buy anything from those mobile phone kiosks in service stations.
DarkLordTofer@reddit
The mobile phone shops in service stations exist to fleece you through panic purchasing chargers.
Agreeable_Pool_3684@reddit
Money laundering and other nefarious activities.
Middle_Swim_5961@reddit
Youāre forgetting nail salons
EllaSingsJazz@reddit
Look a little into money laundering and you'll see why the black economy isn't cracked down on.Ā Ā
Perfect-Ad9577@reddit
Haircuts and vapes are the only thing Amazon canāt sell
mattlodder@reddit
Tattoos, coffees.
Thats-me-that-is@reddit
Amazon does sell vape stuff but it's a PITA because you need to be at home to prove your age on delivery. So an actual shop is way easier walk in and buy it and walk out with it.
GruntledApathy@reddit
And unlocking/repair smashed phone screens. It's not money laundering like half these commentors think. Simply the only businesses left that require a physical shop.
Thats-me-that-is@reddit
Shops that require the customer to be physically present, along with takeaways that have to be reasonably close to their customers.
MattDubh@reddit
Money laundering.
bananabastard@reddit
Fronts for people smuggling.
No_Flow224@reddit
Because the UK has become the small scale money laundering and remittance hub of Europe.
detectivebabylegz@reddit
Barbers and vape shops have very little over heads.
Barbers are self employed and electricity usage is the same as a household. There is very little costs for equipment and inventory after the initial launch. You have licencing and insurance, but that's pretty much it. Most barbers are a single room, with maybe a small back area, so rent isn't as high as you think.
Vape shops are similar with just more money spent on inventory.
Unusual_Entity@reddit
I'm sure they have lots of customers (let's ignore the fact that they're usually empty) who coincidentally all paid cash for a haircut.
mahki25942@reddit
Money laundering
YorkshireMary@reddit
Drug dealers and money laundering.
downandoutitis@reddit
Ever seen someone (real) have a haircut in such a place. Have often seen people leave with not but one hair clipped atop their booshes.
Far-Sir-825@reddit
Daily. The 3 in my town are always rammed. Iām bald as a coot but my 14yr old and his mates are in weekly getting fades redone etc.
Remote_Development13@reddit
I had a haircut in a Turkish barbers two hours ago
Hulbg1@reddit
Criminal enterprise
Business-Sort6219@reddit
UK is the money laundering capital of the world
chez2202@reddit
Money laundering. There are hundreds of them in the town where I live.
Tallest-Dan@reddit
I go past 3 barbers in a few seconds om the bus. Just doors away. It's all laundering and selling illegal stuff
chez2202@reddit
Take a closer look. I bet one of them has gold painted replicas of old fashioned barberās chairs.
TheMarkMatthews@reddit
I went into one of the phone and vape combo shops to gay an old iPhone fixed. The guy at the counter said the phone guys on holiday but he could sell me a vape
ultimateberk@reddit
Im always looking to gay an old iphone
open-perception4@reddit
Open and empty 24 /7.
Agg1g@reddit
I want to say Drugs...
kip_hackmann@reddit
Incompetent and greedy councils, mostly.
Figueroa_Chill@reddit
Drugs, lots and lots of drugs. And people smuggling.
NightBusToGiro@reddit
Amazon and ASOS is your answer.
People buy everything online now and don't go to shops.
Grizzl0ck@reddit
Best ways to launder money
Wubbleyou_@reddit
Donāt forget the Charity shops and estate agents.
georgepcanning@reddit (OP)
True but we absolutely need those!! Likely until the end of time haha
Sea_Director_4439@reddit
Shops have always been fronts for cooking the books.Ā
CatsChat@reddit
Donāt forget nail bars!
Single-Aardvark9330@reddit
If you look into the window of one of the phone shops in my town you can see bongs at the back
Sea_Director_4439@reddit
Not bongs!
georgepcanning@reddit (OP)
Have they got the supersize ones that hole the roof up?š¤£
Competitive-Picnic@reddit
Those phone repair/vape shops are money laundering fronts.Ā
BumblebeeNo6356@reddit
No different to trades who offer cheaper for cash.
whitefire9999@reddit
Because they are money laundering they donāt need to do any business
The funniest is near me a ādessert shopā been open 12 months never ever seen anyone in there and outside sits an Aston Martin and a top of the range 7 series bmw and 2 dodgy looking blokes inside always glaring out of the window on their phones ššš
Main_Masterpiece8414@reddit
Also with the third one, not to mention Glovo riders at any hour of the day :3
TapeDeckSlick@reddit
Lots of cash in hand so easy to fudge the books
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