Euro-Office: General availability set for June 9 - Nextcloud

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DamonsLinux@reddit

Stolen product? No thanks, I won't use it.

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OpenOffice, LibreOffice, Euro-Office, OnlyOffice, Calligra... I hate when developpers split their efforts into several stuff doing the same thing while we need a powerful competitor to Microsoft Offfice.

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fantomas_666@reddit

Well, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice roughly because od licensing issues, Euro-Office is a fork of OnlyOffice because of the same reason...

Yeah, splitting efforts is not good, but sometimes you don't have many choices.

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BeatTheBet@reddit

Since you seem to be informed on the matter (at least way more than me), any insight on the reasoning of Euro Office choosing to build on OnlyOffice vs LibreOffice? Was the reason mostly to capitalize on "Web-First" solutions?

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Robsteady@reddit

OnlyOffice renders MS Office documents better than Open/LibreOffice. It will make for better support with older documents/templates that they already have.

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KnowZeroX@reddit

OnlyOffice has worse rendering of MS Office documents than LibreOffice. The problem is that LibreOffice leaves fonts to the operating system while OnlyOffice bundles common fonts. The result is that LibreOffice out of box ends up seeming to have worse rendering due to different font metrics causing layout shifts.

The real reason they went with OnlyOffice is because of how the cloud solution works. LibreOffice Online was dead, and while there is Collabora Online (also open source). The Collabora Online approach handles a lot of the processing on the server backend. Where s OnlyOffice has most of its processing done on client side.

So they likely factored in that basing on Collabora Online would cost them more server resources, which can be quire expensive especially now with the high ram costs.

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legrenabeach@reddit

I respectfully disagree regarding compatibility with MS formats.

I work in education in the UK. I regularly (as in multiple times a day) exchange Word and PPT documents with my school colleagues as well as others from across the education community.

I chose to work on my own Debian/KDE Plasma laptop. I have both Libre and OnlyOffice installed.

For documents that contain shapes or any kind of advanced features other than plain text and maybe simple tables, Libre messes up the layout very often, while I don't remember ever seeing a document not looking perfect on Only.

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fantomas_666@reddit

Was the reason mostly to capitalize on "Web-First" solutions?

I guess this was the main point - to bring something that already works. For solutions like Nextcloud or others (I know about Icewarp mail server), OnlyOffice is already integrated and changing to EuroOffice should be trivial.

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Kevin_Kofler@reddit

Collabora Online, based on LibreOffice, is also already integrated into Nextcloud, and in fact that has been the default "Nextcloud Office" until now.

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troyunrau@reddit

Except that it's terrible. Like, you try to insert a special character, wait a minute for the dialog box to render, type "rho" wait a minute for the fonts with the right characters to load, etc.

Try pasting anything into a document that isn't plain text, and even that only works part of the time.

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Longjumping-Youth934@reddit

Sadly, Collabora based Nextcloud Office streams an office programme from the server, so when there are a lot of users and your server is not hilghly scalable you will get a loooot of freezes and consequent dissatisfaction, while Euro-Office will be mainly working in your browser and periodically syncing the file and events with the server. The user experience is much smooth and acceptable.

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DaGoodBoy@reddit

And don't forget that OpenOffice was originally a proprietary product called StarOffice that Sun Microsystems purchased and open-sourced in 1999. Also, Fuck Oracle.

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fantomas_666@reddit

Luckily, Sun released it as open-source, so forking was easy.

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RoomyRoots@reddit

And yet, it was necessary due to Oracle neglecting the product until they gave it away to Apache Foundation a decade and more too late.

FOSS in critical in the modern world and sanitizing the community is critical

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Top-Rub-4670@reddit

LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice because Oracle bad. The TDF was founded, they needed an office suite, Oracle refused to give them the name OpenOffice and remove the CLA so they took the code and renamed it.

Euro-Office is a fork of OnlyOffice because Russia bad. EU was founded, they needed an office suite, OnlyOffice refused to give them the name OnlyOffice so they took the code and renamed it.

They both did use license as a scapegoat (though LibreOffice was more about trademark), but let's not kid ourselves about the real reasons behind those forks.

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_AACO@reddit

OpenOffice is essentially dead, LibreOffice was forked because of concerns raised when Oracle acquired OpenOffice.

Euro Office is a fork of OnlyOffice because it has licensing issues and allegedly there's some weird stuff going on regarding the company that owns it.

Collabora Office is a fork of LibreOffice that works on the web, desktop android and iOS.

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p4r4d0c@reddit

Is a „official“ standalone desktop release planned? Always reading about the web version

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mistifier@reddit

They are planning builds for Windows, Linux, and macOS

For linux:

AppImage (Generic)
DEB (Ubuntu / Debian)
RPM (Fedora / Rocky Linux)

Unfortunately no flatpak for now

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McDonaldsWitchcraft@reddit

No flatpak

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rrpeak@reddit

Looks like it https://github.com/Euro-Office/desktop-apps

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DistantJuice@reddit

The next phase will focus on developing desktop and mobile applications

Looks like it's planned but not coming out for now.

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YOYOWORKOUT@reddit

nice , let's wait 5 years to check if it's still alive, then use it as replacement of onlyoffice...

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TickTockPick@reddit

No idea why you are getting down voted. Other than Google Docs, nothing has come close to dethroning MS in actual work environments. Nothing that I've seen of this project seems to move the needle in that direction either.

Microsoft and Google are going full in with AI integration in their platforms to make things even easier for users. This project seems to be being built to compete with Google/Microsoft from 10 years ago.

I say this as someone that uses Libre office at home and MS office at work.

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Middle-Sand-5222@reddit

Honestly this is probably more important than people realize. Europe keeps talking about digital sovereignty, but most offices and governments still depend heavily on Microsoft/Google ecosystems. A serious Linux friendly office stack backed by Nextcloud could actually matter if the experience is decent enough for normal users.

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RoomyRoots@reddit

Except they are rebasing an already existing product that has Russian affiliation. Also LibreOffice has been a thing forever and Collabora works great. I think people are expecting too much just because it has Euro in the name.

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StampyScouse@reddit

LibreOffice feels very dated though and for organisations moving from Microsoft programs it already has a lot of problems with existing formatting they software like this is getting much better at dealing with

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RoomyRoots@reddit

Barely, it is consistent if nothing. Collabora themes it for desktop and Nextcloud and it doesn't look that much worse than OO.

Out of the alternative suites it's also the one that has the best compatibility with Office. The OnlyOffice benchmarks are quite shady too.

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Longjumping-Youth934@reddit

Have you tried to.collaborate using Collabora on some document where around 5-7 users are present at the same time?

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Longjumping-Youth934@reddit

Sadly, Collabora doesn't work great but a real issue for teams. LibreOffice is fine but as a desktop version. The Consortium made a fork and cleaned it from blogs and ruzzian jacks. So, hopefully it will be a good and nice office.

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zmaile@reddit

They're spending a lot of time removing tidying up the code and comments, and it isn't run by russians anymore. It's just the starting point they're using which they will add to.

And having 'euro' in the name isn't important itself so much as the amount of backing that it has which is represented by the word.

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crshbndct@reddit

I don’t understand why they didn’t just put a bunch of resources into libreoffice? Is it not good anymore?

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SunlightScribe@reddit

The same reason anyone forks, they want more control. I definitely wouldn't want tax dollars going to a project with no strings attached.

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B1rdi@reddit

Libreoffice is fine, though feels a bit aged imo. I think the main thing is that these days many organizations expect web-based suites similar to what Microsoft and Google offer. That's what Nextcloud and friends are looking to offer an european option for.

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