China and Vietnam are very good examples in many areas. They still have things to work out tho. Also the USSR went from a failed empire to the second world power in like 20 years of communism. Not the best thing ever, but there are many things to learn from communist countries.
Countries in western europe and north america are way richer and have higher quality of life than communistic/socialistic countries, capitalistic countries are also better in matter of human rights.
They're better for human rights domestically, it's lazy to pretend things like Abu Ghraib, the Mai Lai Massacre, the use of agent orange and consistent meddling in foreign affairs to appoint dictators. Then you have the modern day where the west supports genocide against Palestinians, still bombs schools, weddings, funerals etc. It's all fine and well to sit at home and say there's no suffering and more rights here but that's because the suffering and erosion of rights are exported.
Then you also have a slow erosion of those rights and quality with increased amounts of surveillance, stricter protest laws and a weaponisation of the voterbase against minoritys.
There are pretty much no fully communistic countries, as they failed, but the most close to communism are cuba, north korea, china, vietnam, and laos, i bet you wouldn't like to live in any of them (except maybe china, but china is not really communist, it shifted a lot to capitalism).
I don't think the mass depletion and exhaustion of resources at breaking record in the name of profits, all of which cause climate change ( which is going to displace and kill 100 of millions of people) would be considered good in the long run.
The only time where capitalism isn't immensely destructive is under heavy regulation from socialist policies. The US is the prime example. We don't call it dumbfuckistan for nothing.
If you want to really get depressed, if you haven't read Ted Kazincky's manifesto read it. This was one of those books that especially hits hard all these years later. To be clear, I don't agree with everything I said, but that's normal, there isn't a single person with which I agree on everything (and of course murders), but fuck dude I'm 37 and with all this shit happening during my lifetime, it's hits too fucking close to home.
Ted Kazinski was a wacko psychopath that tried to murder random people with handmade explosives in the mail. He was so stupid, he exposed himself by anonymously publishing the same manifesto he gave to his own brother.
To go a bit further, I believe it's the pulling away from Christianity.
I'm atheist but there was substantial value in Sunday service that benefitted the community. You'd see your neighbors regularly, and even people who didn't get out had an excuse to be social.
Especially the youth, like if you were a weird kid with no friends you had more opportunity to meet peers at church. Other moms may have pressed their kids to meet you.
And generally a greater emphasis on ethics, which seem to be at an all time low these days.
I think part of the issue is that weekly gatherings are basically relegated to religion (and honestly even church attendance hasn't been great in recent years). More places need to create shared spaces that people go to. I know the town near my college has First Friday or something along those lines where people would basically make a little stall and sell stuff and you could go around and see people, chat, listen to live music. Having community events that help give people an opportunity to interact and socialize without there being some price tag on it would probably do wonders if we could get people to step outside more often.
It 100% is. There's no accountability anymore because nobody actually knows anyone. Theres no sense of community, so everyone is fine fucking over their neighbor.
That was actually always the opinion of the hardcore communists like Marx, Stalin, and Lenin.
What most people call 'communism' was referred to by the communists as 'state capitalism'. For example, Stalin did not consider the USSR as a communist state. It was a revolutionary transitionary government meant to bring about world communism in the long term. The end goal was the destruction of all states, kingdoms and borders, and the return to small communes - hence the name
No? Communism is literally about "keeping the fruits of your own labour". These guys got fired and the shareholder "abused" the laws to keep the game they created.
Burkina fase, cuba, Venezuela? I want you to cross reference the list of military us campaigns, and socialist/ communist countries, and look at the economy numbers of each. It's obvious the us has a strong interest in making sure the idea of capitalism is never threatened. It sure worked on you.
Nice of you to not do any research. Are you acknowledging I'm right? Or you just want to keep licking the boots of men who sell human lives and labor for dollar amounts?
Referring to the complete tragedy that is Venezuela as not a complete joke is, at best, misguided.
Like yeah I also think OP is asking in bad faith and the greentext image is stupid beyond belief and Americans demonize everything left of Clinton in utterly self-destructive ways and have no actual concept of what communism (or even socialism) really represents, but Venezuela's Chavista government is a fucking massive failure in every regard possible, rampant with human rights violations, corruption and suffering that has had horrible effects on their populace and generated a massive exodus so large it destabilized the entire continent. Just because Trump ended up kidnapping Maduro to take over as oil-pimp does not mean Maduro was in any way, shape or form a good or legitimate leader. Pointing to Venezuela as an example of a working communist society is like trying to defend capitalism by unironically pointing to the Belgian Congo and talking about how much rubber it produced. It's wrong in every sense possible.
Can’t tell if this is bait. The Scandinavian countries are social democracies -> heavy social safety nets and high rates of taxation. But the economies are still capitalist.
Tf are you trying to prove through such an obvious point anyway? Besides, democracies implement "socialist" policies like social security and safety nets mainly to preserve their vote banks and will bankrupt their own country to preserve that votes, while simultaneously also bailing out banks and companies for billions of dollars without proper oversight.
Why isn't Scandinavia bankrupt then? They fund big social programs with high taxes, have high productivity, and Norway even having government-owned oil fund that keeps it wealthy.
Cause they're the exceptions? Historically benefited from the effects of oil, colonialism and through Europe despite not playing a major role in it, and later post war investment. Why tf should we use countries the population of a Mumbai suburb as examples anyway? Maybe they're ideal examples for low population Gulf countries to follow instead of blowing money into shitty megaprojects, but not remotely comparable to actual large mixed economies like, Brazil, India or even the US for that matter where a good chunk of the world resides, all of which having extremely strained social safety nets due to not having a trade surplus and a large population to feed and appease.
Are NOT an example of communism somehow "working" since they are pretty much framed under capitalist economies. Churches and most non-profits are voluntary associations based on shared beliefs. Social safety nets have always required a huge amount of money, and both Scandinavian countries and Gulf countries have achieved it through a mix of selling oil/natural gas and investing money into other capitalist economies through sovereign wealth funds
The only example of "communism" "potentially" working in this world is modern China, which is largely through state-enforced capitalism. And I mean, potentially, assuming they don't squander their success in expansionist policies.
That would be a bit too speculative. But yes, they were on a position such that trying to be self sufficient would be certain doom. Communism does not necessitate a closed border nor broadened economic models.
Could argue the semantics of Vietnam’s government for ages but the actually important question to determine their politics is whether the means of production are in the hands of the workers or not.
Communism is an ideology of pursuit. So a communist country is one which is trying to implement a communist future. Not one that is currently communist. So you can indeed have a country for which production is not in the hands of the workers and still be a communist state. For example, the USSR did not consider itself communist in practice under Stalin. It described itself as 'state capitalist', a transitionary model to make a communist future possible.
Their position depends wholly on the state's commitment to implementing a communist future. Although of course if a country calls themselves communist but has done nothing to further the aim of producing a stateless, classless society in the last 50 years, you might seriously question that commitment.
It would seem they found themselves in the crosshairs of Soviet / US Cold War propaganda, and then the following communist propaganda blurring what they think communism is. Hey Alexa, play Ironic by Alanis Morissette.
Thank you for actually saying the important bit. Two imperial forces benefitted greatly in destroying any ideological resistance to their duopolistic hegemony. We are allowed to go another route than the failed Soviet and Maoist models and still use Marxism. This idea is very, very dangerous for their existence.
For at least teaching us that communism doesnt work the hard way, yes. I've always thought we should try communism for that very reason. Fuck it, rip off the bandaid.
China. They're using a market economy to get rich, but having a communist party in charge allows them to do things like not allowing housing to become speculative assets, and focusing on green energy and reducing inequality.
If you think that haute bourgeoise forces do not have political influence and power in the CPC politburo, and that stagism is a possible route to Marx’s communism you may be delusional. The dictatorship is not of the proletariat.
I generally otherwise agree with what you said except for your note on reduction of inequality. Wealth concentration has not budged, and appears to be growing again. I wonder why that might be happening…
I don't get why people always say this. The Soviets in WW2 were literally still having their industrial revolution transitioning from an agrarian society, had their country devastated by the war, lost something like 14% of their population, and was still able to compete with the undisputed global power and one of the richest countries post WW2 in a Cold war and space race for 40 years. But yes, reddits enlightened "lol communism bad" take surely considers the full picture.
Situationism was close, the first meaningful group of thinkers to exist at the same time as our era of capitalism/consumerism. May 68 has had a huge impact on left ideology.
They still never amounted to anything real in the organizational sense, anything much more than burning shit and getting angry in the street that is.
No, private ownership or bourgeois ownership refers to the means of production. Per Marx and Engels, no one is taking your bike or your flat under a last stage communist regime. I'm not even a communist, but there is no point in spreading disinformation
From what I know their game was taken by a corporation and they were cut off from any profits. I wouldn't call that redistributing, they did a capitalism
Key creators of Disco Elysium—including lead designer Robert Kurvitz, art director Aleksander Rostov, and writer Helen Hindpere—were fired from developer ZA/UM in late 2022 following a hostile corporate takeover and bitter legal disputes.
Company threw the creators of the game out but kept the rights to the game itself.
But the publisher is “involved” but they didn’t make it. When company ceo says “make videogame” the ceo hasn’t done anything because the devs make the game. But they were involved cause they got it made. Something something something
From what I understood, one stackholder bought the shares from another stackholder, and then became the one with the majority stake. After this he could do whatever he wanted, it's basically his company now.
I don't know why or how they didn't veto this or if they even had power to do so, but basically from what I read online this is what happened.
They're still dealing with it in court, I think, but the fired employees claim to have been totally ousted from the company while still holding minority ownership in it. ZA/UM was originally an art collective, so they had to get outside funding when they wanted to make a game. The majority stake was bought by another guy, potentially fraudently, and the new owner kicked Kurvitz and the others out, and now they're all in court about it.
For the faults of capitalism, I feel like someone potentially voiding agreements or using loopholes to separate artists from the earnings for their art without their consent is less capitalism and more just straight up thievery lol
They took a long time to make it, which was obviously the right choice from an artistic point of view, but which required them to give up the company in exchange for funding. Once that happened, the money people did what they always do with artists, intellectuals, widows with children, disabled veterans, etc. etc. and discarded them
Lol, it literally isn't, which is why no country has ever really practiced real communism. Those countries have socialist regimes, but the entire world is still driven by capitalism. In a real communist society, a "supreme leader" doesn't exist. The situation that is described is through and through capitalistic.
It's kinda funny but for Americans everything that is endemic to capitalism they attribute to socialism and communism. It would be funny if it's not sad how much brainwashing is needed for that to happen.
Actually the company was a worker cooperative first. Then an individual discovered a way to enter the cooperative and convinced other members to sell him shares so he could seize control of the communial company.
socialists/communists want the working class to earn the full value of their labour, rather than having someone else profit from it just because they own some stuff. why wouldn’t they complain about someone stealing from them
The games profits were not redistributed across the workers at ZAUM. The company is still getting profits from the workers surplus labour value. Anons post can be rewritten as "communist gets mad when capitalism happens"
No no, you see everything that I think is good is because of capitalism. And everything that I think is bad is because of communism or woke or something else I don’t like.
TheNeuroLizard@reddit
Unilaterally redistributing someone else’s property for your own, sole profit is stealing and very capitalistic. Maybe the OG capitalist move.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
Is there any real life example where communism isnt a literal joke?
Beamo1080@reddit
The Amish I guess? But I doubt that’s what Internet tankies have in mind
Armejden@reddit
They're also not communist.
G4130@reddit
Communism is when no electricity
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
Also less gulags and mass hunger.
idontknowjuspickone@reddit
Fewer gulags
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
Thank you!
demonsdencollective@reddit
No problem.
CharlesEverettDekker@reddit
The amish? Not a joke? Lol. Lmao even.
lmay0000@reddit
Haha, you typed out that phrase other people have typed!!
esssssto@reddit
China and Vietnam are very good examples in many areas. They still have things to work out tho. Also the USSR went from a failed empire to the second world power in like 20 years of communism. Not the best thing ever, but there are many things to learn from communist countries.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
Is there any real life example where capitalism isn't destructive to a society ?
Ok_Savings9611@reddit
Yeah, western europe and northern america.
Cthulhu_3@reddit
no they asked for examples where it WASN'T destructive
Ok_Savings9611@reddit
Countries in western europe and north america are way richer and have higher quality of life than communistic/socialistic countries, capitalistic countries are also better in matter of human rights.
I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS@reddit
That’s just oppression and exploitation
YodaFam@reddit
They're better for human rights domestically, it's lazy to pretend things like Abu Ghraib, the Mai Lai Massacre, the use of agent orange and consistent meddling in foreign affairs to appoint dictators. Then you have the modern day where the west supports genocide against Palestinians, still bombs schools, weddings, funerals etc. It's all fine and well to sit at home and say there's no suffering and more rights here but that's because the suffering and erosion of rights are exported.
Then you also have a slow erosion of those rights and quality with increased amounts of surveillance, stricter protest laws and a weaponisation of the voterbase against minoritys.
FullTimeHarlot@reddit
Which countries are you comparing Western nations to that are communist?
Ok_Savings9611@reddit
There are pretty much no fully communistic countries, as they failed, but the most close to communism are cuba, north korea, china, vietnam, and laos, i bet you wouldn't like to live in any of them (except maybe china, but china is not really communist, it shifted a lot to capitalism).
peanutist@reddit
Bengal famine moment
ElectroMagnetsYo@reddit
Heroin feels GREAT in the moment but destroys your life in the long run
Ok_Savings9611@reddit
Yeah, but capitalism has proven itself more viable in long-term than communism.
Even countries that were once strictly communistic are shifting towards more capitalistic approach, china and vietnam for example.
Downtown_Name_3124@reddit
I don't think the mass depletion and exhaustion of resources at breaking record in the name of profits, all of which cause climate change ( which is going to displace and kill 100 of millions of people) would be considered good in the long run.
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
A bold statement to make with Trump in the white house, Cotton. Let's see how it pays off for him.
Ok_Savings9611@reddit
Just so you know, USA is not the only capitalistic country there is.
misterjordan95@reddit
Just the largest and most influential
Kiwi_Doodle@reddit
And the country where capitalism has the least restrictions.
Kiwi_Doodle@reddit
The only time where capitalism isn't immensely destructive is under heavy regulation from socialist policies. The US is the prime example. We don't call it dumbfuckistan for nothing.
Ok_Savings9611@reddit
No one calls it dumbfuckistan, lol.
Also, would you please care to tell me why non-capitalistic countries are all shitholes without human rights?
MrLobsterful@reddit
When being ironic or sarcastic use /s so people know
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
Ever heard of various rust belt areas and the effects of deindustrialisation ?
Of botched urban development ?
Of neglected infrastructure because muh state involvement in the economy ?
Of absurd housing prices ?
Of areas literally dying out and being deserted because of little job opportunities ?
Of China catching up in the tech race because muh global trade and muh comparative advantages (lower labor cost) ?
Of pollution and destruction of the environment ? (our industries are atleast indirectly involved in the deforestation of rainforests)
Nocebola@reddit
Bhutan is technically capitalist
jim9162@reddit
The only way communism works is in like a 100 person commune.
MrBones-Necromancer@reddit
I genuinely believe the death of smaller communities is like...half the reasons we're all so stressed out.
Too many people and too large of a net has, ironically, left us all isolated and alone.
Daysleeper1234@reddit
If you want to really get depressed, if you haven't read Ted Kazincky's manifesto read it. This was one of those books that especially hits hard all these years later. To be clear, I don't agree with everything I said, but that's normal, there isn't a single person with which I agree on everything (and of course murders), but fuck dude I'm 37 and with all this shit happening during my lifetime, it's hits too fucking close to home.
big_floppy_sock@reddit
Ted Kazinski was a wacko psychopath that tried to murder random people with handmade explosives in the mail. He was so stupid, he exposed himself by anonymously publishing the same manifesto he gave to his own brother.
BearsAreBack18@reddit
Such a loser he doesn’t even crack the top 10 most famous Harvard students.
big_floppy_sock@reddit
Such a loser he got fired from the job his family handed to him because he was a creep
jim9162@reddit
To go a bit further, I believe it's the pulling away from Christianity.
I'm atheist but there was substantial value in Sunday service that benefitted the community. You'd see your neighbors regularly, and even people who didn't get out had an excuse to be social.
Especially the youth, like if you were a weird kid with no friends you had more opportunity to meet peers at church. Other moms may have pressed their kids to meet you.
And generally a greater emphasis on ethics, which seem to be at an all time low these days.
One-Weight-4034@reddit
Also atheist, but agreed. The local church is one of it not the only place I can go and people will be happy to talk to me
project571@reddit
I think part of the issue is that weekly gatherings are basically relegated to religion (and honestly even church attendance hasn't been great in recent years). More places need to create shared spaces that people go to. I know the town near my college has First Friday or something along those lines where people would basically make a little stall and sell stuff and you could go around and see people, chat, listen to live music. Having community events that help give people an opportunity to interact and socialize without there being some price tag on it would probably do wonders if we could get people to step outside more often.
One-Weight-4034@reddit
See also: the death of third spaces. Nowadays people need to either go to hobbies, bars/clubs, or universities to meet others
outland_king@reddit
It 100% is. There's no accountability anymore because nobody actually knows anyone. Theres no sense of community, so everyone is fine fucking over their neighbor.
Matiwapo@reddit
That was actually always the opinion of the hardcore communists like Marx, Stalin, and Lenin.
What most people call 'communism' was referred to by the communists as 'state capitalism'. For example, Stalin did not consider the USSR as a communist state. It was a revolutionary transitionary government meant to bring about world communism in the long term. The end goal was the destruction of all states, kingdoms and borders, and the return to small communes - hence the name
C-130Hercule@reddit
and even then they all eventually fall apart because nobody wants to do the dishes or take out the trash
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
Like Jonestown.
jim9162@reddit
Same ending too usually
Thatguyinabowtie@reddit
Wow, capitalism did something bad, this must be communism
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
But if they got to keep the proceeds from their game that would be capitalism.
PM_ME_BAD_ALGORITHMS@reddit
No? Communism is literally about "keeping the fruits of your own labour". These guys got fired and the shareholder "abused" the laws to keep the game they created.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
Ironically there isn't that much fruit available under communism.
CoolCidClub139@reddit
Burkina fase, cuba, Venezuela? I want you to cross reference the list of military us campaigns, and socialist/ communist countries, and look at the economy numbers of each. It's obvious the us has a strong interest in making sure the idea of capitalism is never threatened. It sure worked on you.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
Yeah i dont know why the US did that. They should've them find out the hard way.
CoolCidClub139@reddit
Nice of you to not do any research. Are you acknowledging I'm right? Or you just want to keep licking the boots of men who sell human lives and labor for dollar amounts?
Greedy_Ship_785@reddit
Do you really think a person with such opinion has ever done any research? Bro takes his opinions out of Michael Bay movies lmfao
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
Yeah sorry. Ive just done my research and found out that communism didnt kill 120m people.
Greedy_Ship_785@reddit
See? Beautiful thinga happen when you stop getting your information out of tendies packaging.
Good job!
CoolCidClub139@reddit
I think they are being sarcastic lol
Greedy_Ship_785@reddit
So am I, wtf
CoolCidClub139@reddit
Ah I'm just stupid
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
I mean, Optimus is objectively awesome. Both meanings.
koopcl@reddit
Referring to the complete tragedy that is Venezuela as not a complete joke is, at best, misguided.
Like yeah I also think OP is asking in bad faith and the greentext image is stupid beyond belief and Americans demonize everything left of Clinton in utterly self-destructive ways and have no actual concept of what communism (or even socialism) really represents, but Venezuela's Chavista government is a fucking massive failure in every regard possible, rampant with human rights violations, corruption and suffering that has had horrible effects on their populace and generated a massive exodus so large it destabilized the entire continent. Just because Trump ended up kidnapping Maduro to take over as oil-pimp does not mean Maduro was in any way, shape or form a good or legitimate leader. Pointing to Venezuela as an example of a working communist society is like trying to defend capitalism by unironically pointing to the Belgian Congo and talking about how much rubber it produced. It's wrong in every sense possible.
CoolCidClub139@reddit
I appreciate the detailed response and I believe you are correct. I believe I meant to refer to Vietnam in that comment lol.
GeeEyeEff@reddit
Once you get above a population size where it's not possible for everyone to know everyone else, no.
octofeline@reddit
China's doing alright
Codacc69420@reddit
China is only communist in name
anonareyouokay@reddit
Churches, non-profits, and social security.
pootis28@reddit
Then literally all Scandinavian countries, and many oil rich Gulf countries are communist?
Chronomata@reddit
Can’t tell if this is bait. The Scandinavian countries are social democracies -> heavy social safety nets and high rates of taxation. But the economies are still capitalist.
Vifte@reddit
It's not solely capitalist, it's mixed
pootis28@reddit
Then most economies are mixed. This is bullshit.
Vifte@reddit
Yeah, they are. There are nuances to everything, and countries balance capitalism and socialism differently.
pootis28@reddit
Tf are you trying to prove through such an obvious point anyway? Besides, democracies implement "socialist" policies like social security and safety nets mainly to preserve their vote banks and will bankrupt their own country to preserve that votes, while simultaneously also bailing out banks and companies for billions of dollars without proper oversight.
Vifte@reddit
Why isn't Scandinavia bankrupt then? They fund big social programs with high taxes, have high productivity, and Norway even having government-owned oil fund that keeps it wealthy.
pootis28@reddit
Cause they're the exceptions? Historically benefited from the effects of oil, colonialism and through Europe despite not playing a major role in it, and later post war investment. Why tf should we use countries the population of a Mumbai suburb as examples anyway? Maybe they're ideal examples for low population Gulf countries to follow instead of blowing money into shitty megaprojects, but not remotely comparable to actual large mixed economies like, Brazil, India or even the US for that matter where a good chunk of the world resides, all of which having extremely strained social safety nets due to not having a trade surplus and a large population to feed and appease.
pootis28@reddit
This is bait. The point is the presence of
Are NOT an example of communism somehow "working" since they are pretty much framed under capitalist economies. Churches and most non-profits are voluntary associations based on shared beliefs. Social safety nets have always required a huge amount of money, and both Scandinavian countries and Gulf countries have achieved it through a mix of selling oil/natural gas and investing money into other capitalist economies through sovereign wealth funds
The only example of "communism" "potentially" working in this world is modern China, which is largely through state-enforced capitalism. And I mean, potentially, assuming they don't squander their success in expansionist policies.
anonareyouokay@reddit
Shhhh. This is all an Epstein psyop. Bots care about talking points and not logic.
BeavMcloud@reddit
If it's not the USA, it's Communist, GOT IT?!
anonareyouokay@reddit
Because churches and NGOs only exist in the US and no other country has a social security/national insurance program.
BeavMcloud@reddit
My bad, I meant to reply to the other comment about Scandanavia 😬
anonareyouokay@reddit
I guess I was unnecessarily defensive without really understanding the comment. Sorry, choomba
R41D3NN@reddit
Vietnam. I don’t reckon they were joking in the war, nor their communist party joking today
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
They abandoned communism 10 years later.
R41D3NN@reddit
… umm … you do know they are a socialist republic… run by the communist party. Right?
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
You mean they reformed to a market based economy to prevent themselves from becoming north korea?
R41D3NN@reddit
That would be a bit too speculative. But yes, they were on a position such that trying to be self sufficient would be certain doom. Communism does not necessitate a closed border nor broadened economic models.
ElectroMagnetsYo@reddit
Could argue the semantics of Vietnam’s government for ages but the actually important question to determine their politics is whether the means of production are in the hands of the workers or not.
Matiwapo@reddit
Communism is an ideology of pursuit. So a communist country is one which is trying to implement a communist future. Not one that is currently communist. So you can indeed have a country for which production is not in the hands of the workers and still be a communist state. For example, the USSR did not consider itself communist in practice under Stalin. It described itself as 'state capitalist', a transitionary model to make a communist future possible.
Their position depends wholly on the state's commitment to implementing a communist future. Although of course if a country calls themselves communist but has done nothing to further the aim of producing a stateless, classless society in the last 50 years, you might seriously question that commitment.
Fronesis@reddit
Market socialism may not be communism but it's definitely not capitalism.
Raesong@reddit
I think not creating a hereditary monarchy also helped.
Easpoatsitsinmyass@reddit
Market socialism is still socialism, the Soviet Union under Late Lenin and Early Stalin were also market socialist
R41D3NN@reddit
It would seem they found themselves in the crosshairs of Soviet / US Cold War propaganda, and then the following communist propaganda blurring what they think communism is. Hey Alexa, play Ironic by Alanis Morissette.
_rapids@reddit
Thank you for actually saying the important bit. Two imperial forces benefitted greatly in destroying any ideological resistance to their duopolistic hegemony. We are allowed to go another route than the failed Soviet and Maoist models and still use Marxism. This idea is very, very dangerous for their existence.
MJisaFraud@reddit
Communism may not be perfect but it’s the best system we’ve got.
Xardnas69@reddit
Some kinds of communism, maybe. At least in theory. In practice all systems suck because someone at the top exploits being at the top
MrLobsterful@reddit
That's the thing communism is a classless society, there will be no one at the top
CoolCidClub139@reddit
Welp I guess that means we should never change and continue exploiting the labor of everyone for the benefit of few. You really got him.
MJisaFraud@reddit
You say that, while using an iPhone, which was made in a communist country.
TFDota@reddit
"The best system" that never ever worked.
PrivateCookie420@reddit
How? It always turns the “practicing” countries into authoritarian dictatorships.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
For at least teaching us that communism doesnt work the hard way, yes. I've always thought we should try communism for that very reason. Fuck it, rip off the bandaid.
SadSceneryBoi@reddit
China. They're using a market economy to get rich, but having a communist party in charge allows them to do things like not allowing housing to become speculative assets, and focusing on green energy and reducing inequality.
solwaj@reddit
a one party dictatorship isn't communist
_rapids@reddit
If you think that haute bourgeoise forces do not have political influence and power in the CPC politburo, and that stagism is a possible route to Marx’s communism you may be delusional. The dictatorship is not of the proletariat.
I generally otherwise agree with what you said except for your note on reduction of inequality. Wealth concentration has not budged, and appears to be growing again. I wonder why that might be happening…
InquisitorMeow@reddit
I don't get why people always say this. The Soviets in WW2 were literally still having their industrial revolution transitioning from an agrarian society, had their country devastated by the war, lost something like 14% of their population, and was still able to compete with the undisputed global power and one of the richest countries post WW2 in a Cold war and space race for 40 years. But yes, reddits enlightened "lol communism bad" take surely considers the full picture.
MercuriusRex@reddit
because they put all their resources towards it, while regular people lived in poverty (source: am from a post-soviet country)
HastoBeAThrowaway0@reddit
If there is, idiots will say "that's not communism" anyways 🤷♂️
_rapids@reddit
Gobburnesim neber really existed!!! Says the tankie.
yeah cause they failed the purpose. See Dengism and the Khrushchev thaw for evidence.
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
small communes
_rapids@reddit
Situationism was close, the first meaningful group of thinkers to exist at the same time as our era of capitalism/consumerism. May 68 has had a huge impact on left ideology.
They still never amounted to anything real in the organizational sense, anything much more than burning shit and getting angry in the street that is.
AbadeersGhost@reddit
There is one. The Israeli kabbutz.
Warfrog@reddit
Yes but jokes about communism are funny if everyone gets it.
bagged_milk123@reddit
I guess tiny ass tribes?
Armejden@reddit
No.
bo0mamba@reddit
There been some crazy ragebait comin out of r/greentext recently
TriG__@reddit
This is so braindead lmao
ceoby@reddit
Anon is so capitalist minded he cannot comprehend artist wanting to have ownership of their own art.
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Private ownership is anticommunist.
Aelwynh@reddit
No, private ownership or bourgeois ownership refers to the means of production. Per Marx and Engels, no one is taking your bike or your flat under a last stage communist regime. I'm not even a communist, but there is no point in spreading disinformation
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
Oh, I didn't know that, thanks. Stupid term names overlapping.
Aelwynh@reddit
It's fine dw, those are complex subjects, we all learn everyday
k410n@reddit
SilDaz@reddit
From what I know their game was taken by a corporation and they were cut off from any profits. I wouldn't call that redistributing, they did a capitalism
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
How did they own IP get taken?
thedefenses@reddit
Key creators of Disco Elysium—including lead designer Robert Kurvitz, art director Aleksander Rostov, and writer Helen Hindpere—were fired from developer ZA/UM in late 2022 following a hostile corporate takeover and bitter legal disputes.
Company threw the creators of the game out but kept the rights to the game itself.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
but how ?
did they not own their company ?
thedefenses@reddit
No.
Sonaldo_7@reddit
How are they the creator when the money comes from the company?
RealityMalady@reddit
If someone commissions an artist for a painting, they aren't the creator just because they fronted the money. The artist is the creator
Sonaldo_7@reddit
But without the money will the painting exist?
RealityMalady@reddit
A completely irrelevant question on what makes someone the "creator" of a piece of art. The patron and the artist are two completely different things.
Sonaldo_7@reddit
So both of them are involved in the creation?
just-slightly-human@reddit
Yes. It’s why steam has two seperate categories for devs and publisher
neontiger07@reddit
What? They didn't create anything, they had no hand in the game.
just-slightly-human@reddit
Yeah they didn’t create anything they just published it. That’s what I said?
neontiger07@reddit
He asked if both were involved in the creation and you answered ''yes''. The corporation/publisher is not involved in creation.
just-slightly-human@reddit
But the publisher is “involved” but they didn’t make it. When company ceo says “make videogame” the ceo hasn’t done anything because the devs make the game. But they were involved cause they got it made. Something something something
neontiger07@reddit
They were not involved in the creation process.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
unfortunate.
Arthur_GC@reddit
From what I understood, one stackholder bought the shares from another stackholder, and then became the one with the majority stake. After this he could do whatever he wanted, it's basically his company now.
I don't know why or how they didn't veto this or if they even had power to do so, but basically from what I read online this is what happened.
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
I mean… anyone else with shares would still own their stake.
This just means the “key creators” either sold their shares, or never owned shares, and were always just employees.
wirelessfingers@reddit
They're still dealing with it in court, I think, but the fired employees claim to have been totally ousted from the company while still holding minority ownership in it. ZA/UM was originally an art collective, so they had to get outside funding when they wanted to make a game. The majority stake was bought by another guy, potentially fraudently, and the new owner kicked Kurvitz and the others out, and now they're all in court about it.
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
Ah I see. It makes sense the more complicated it gets.
Arthur_GC@reddit
There were more people involved than just the creators, they had some external funding as well.
Pyehole@reddit
So the communists just weren't any good at capitalism and got screwed by somebody that was good at it?
Call_Me_Pete@reddit
For the faults of capitalism, I feel like someone potentially voiding agreements or using loopholes to separate artists from the earnings for their art without their consent is less capitalism and more just straight up thievery lol
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
bruh
Arthur_GC@reddit
Exactly
proletarianliberty@reddit
About the most capitalist thing ever
xgladar@reddit
you forgot the part where they initially took investments from people in exchange for shares of the company.
the biggest shady deal was after the core trio was fired, the investor apparently took company profits to but shares of it for himself
assasin1598@reddit
So youre saying they seized their means of production?
thedefenses@reddit
They kicked out the means of production and seized product.
mighty_bandersnatch@reddit
They took a long time to make it, which was obviously the right choice from an artistic point of view, but which required them to give up the company in exchange for funding. Once that happened, the money people did what they always do with artists, intellectuals, widows with children, disabled veterans, etc. etc. and discarded them
just-slightly-human@reddit
BREAKING NEWS: 4chan user makes up a story to jerk off to, more at 10
EpicIshmael@reddit
Next time they'll be jerking off to brown people
anonareyouokay@reddit
Psyops on 4chan? No way!
sakata-gintoki1@reddit
and the cycle continues 🐈♻️
SilDaz@reddit
4chan? The funny greentext site? No way
manicforlive@reddit
SilDaz@reddit
I fell ngl
At first I just assumed it was an unironic take but it's probably bait.
derficker69@reddit
you fell so we didn't have to. Thanks!
Totoques22@reddit
Taking everything away for the supreme leader is very communist
driedupemo@reddit
Lol, it literally isn't, which is why no country has ever really practiced real communism. Those countries have socialist regimes, but the entire world is still driven by capitalism. In a real communist society, a "supreme leader" doesn't exist. The situation that is described is through and through capitalistic.
Snirion@reddit
It's kinda funny but for Americans everything that is endemic to capitalism they attribute to socialism and communism. It would be funny if it's not sad how much brainwashing is needed for that to happen.
pepitobuenafe@reddit
Shit ton of problems with comunism, i dont get why they had to invent problems. Maybe proyecting
CloudySpace@reddit
Goddamn reddit…
ImmaSuckYoDick2@reddit
So exactly like Communism only it was a corporation that did it and not a state. Two sides of the same pile of shit.
jibe_@reddit
Then maybe you should invest in a dictionary before smugly "um actually"-ing something you don't understand.
Positive_Material839@reddit
Original founders not making money from it plus you don't really own anything anymore shit it's a solid reason to just pirate then.
number1pingufan@reddit
Ruh ruh raggy…
GreenRiot@reddit
A corporation took their game, while not sharing decision power and profits. That's a capitalism.
If jeff bezos twerked on their faces ppl would still find a way to argue that somehow that only happened because of communism.
Happy_Ocelot_4945@reddit
Actually the company was a worker cooperative first. Then an individual discovered a way to enter the cooperative and convinced other members to sell him shares so he could seize control of the communial company.
The story is peak communism and is hilarious
oberstein123@reddit
they only support it when they're the ones that receive the benefits
esssssto@reddit
Communism is when no money in exchange of work
CornginaFlegemark@reddit
No one in this comment section has an ounce of humor in their blood
Substantial_Bet_1007@reddit
Do. Not. Slander. Disco. On my presence.
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
Dude what if we made a game where nothing happens
Substantial_Bet_1007@reddit
I wouldnt assume someone who is a fan of loli understands disco and its layers
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
Tf does that post have to do with loli?
Substantial_Bet_1007@reddit
That anime is loli
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
It's a very chaste romcom. Standard, nothing lewd.
Btw your profile pic is a 16 year old who gets her tits out in Chainsawman. I think youre projecting.
EDIT: I also realised my profile is hidden, did you really google me to try and dig some dirt up? lmao
Substantial_Bet_1007@reddit
lmao deleted the whole history
Absolutemehguy@reddit
This isn't your every day butthurt... this is advanced butthurt.
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
I have never once in my life posting in anti-MLM
Substantial_Bet_1007@reddit
dumbass
deanominecraft@reddit
socialists/communists want the working class to earn the full value of their labour, rather than having someone else profit from it just because they own some stuff. why wouldn’t they complain about someone stealing from them
deloreaninatardis@reddit
When you're so unread that you think "means of production" was referring to a woman being rude to you or some dumb shit.
Certim@reddit
Wömen? Men of wö?
deathb4retreat@reddit
They're trying to seize the means of reproduction
GuyOfNugget@reddit
Marxism-Incelism
gbuub@reddit
Commiemaxxing Marxcels
redgeck0@reddit
Woman are bouguosie
pipachu99@reddit
mr evrart is helping me find my gun
ISuckAtJavaScript12@reddit
The games profits were not redistributed across the workers at ZAUM. The company is still getting profits from the workers surplus labour value. Anons post can be rewritten as "communist gets mad when capitalism happens"
tomthecom@reddit
Communism is when you don't have money
Pumpkin_Sushi@reddit
This but unironically
Mr_Inspector_Me@reddit
Substantial_Bet_1007@reddit
But iirc its not thre final cut edition and it changes a lot tho epic game it free
Kodo_yeahreally@reddit
you can hate money but you still need money
xemanhunter@reddit
Me when I lie
sakata-gintoki1@reddit
4chan user caught making shit up? no way
myrmexxx@reddit
Fork found in the kitchen
sakata-gintoki1@reddit
ye
TheMorbidHobo@reddit
I thought this was about piracy which made me laugh in agreement, but apparently it's about a hostile takeover, so... not seeing it.
Tymmoteusz@reddit
When a capitalist sees capitalism and calls it communism:
Squawnk@reddit
Many such cases
PukachickPukachick66@reddit
Communism is when company steals workers money duh
sofers1941@reddit
Op doesnt recognize capitalism even tho its what they're aligned with?
jp11th11@reddit
No no, you see everything that I think is good is because of capitalism. And everything that I think is bad is because of communism or woke or something else I don’t like.
H78U43@reddit
And bozos like this defend capitalism with every ounce of their being. Brainwashed monkeys.
Jibbsss@reddit
The communist on twitter and reddit who think this game somehow validates their ideology lol
MagiStarIL@reddit
"redistributed" as in "someone else is getting profit from it". And iirc, they're all for pirating it now, which is actually free distribution
Biggu5Dicku5@reddit
Why? Because they're communist posers...
wimpetta@reddit
the guy isnt a communist but yeah