CRV implodes at 33K Miles
Posted by oldgoldman@reddit | Autos | View on Reddit | 51 comments
Just hear to complain about my 2019 out-of-warranty CRV that the dealer says needs new engine. All maintenance done religiously. Started making a cam ticking noise. Dealer said metal shavings everywhere and Honda American won’t give goodwill credit for a $11K bill. My fifth Honda I’ve owned. What a POS. Signed, bummed in Milwaukee.
ridinderty@reddit
I will say this, as a long time car guy (I'm 50), Honda and Toyota dealer tech... I would buy a Toyota 9/10 over a Honda.
Sorry for your loss
FarewellAndroid@reddit
Toyotas are just so fucking miserable to drive…I don’t know how they manage to make them so numb and loud, and it feels like I’m sitting in a Rubbermaid tub surrounded by crappy plastic.
oldgoldman@reddit (OP)
Thanks for your kind thoughts. I recently bought a Toyota GR Corolla and I pray to god it has no issues. I’ll maintain it religiously. At least the CRV runs and drives okay for the time being, so it has been relegated to the winter beater. Maybe it will get stolen? lol
cactusjakal@reddit
I know everyone says "hondas last forever" but I personally know at least two people who have had pretty severe issues with their hondas, not even "high mileage" ones either. Like both less than 150k and owned by people that know how to take care of a car.
Japanese shitboxes.
Ep3_Pnw@reddit
"Toyota is widely recognized as the brand with the highest percentage of vehicles that exceed 200,000 miles, followed closely by Honda. Automotive studies, including long-term data tracking by iSeeCars, consistently show that Toyota dominates the market for longevity and durability"
They're statistically among the longest lasting vehicles lmao. Total shit boxes
MinivanPops@reddit
I had a 2005 Sienna that never stopped eating money. Every time I would assume an expensive repair (like the sliding doors needing three rebuild jobs total) I would say to myself "This has to be the last one". That car cost me a lot of money.
My wife's 2002 Civic developed insane amounts of blowby. My Honda Fit leaked water inside like a sieve. The Android Auto in my wife's 2019 Accord works about 30% of the time. My best friend's Odyssey developed piston ring issues. My nephews 2007 Civic apparently had some kind of sand casting error during production, and that engine needed to be replaced.
I'm not a believer in reliability anymore. These vehicles have been more reliable than the Chryslers I drive for work, but not very much more. It's several thousand cheaper for my company to buy Pacificas and a Mopar extended warranty to 150,000 mi then to buy Odysseys.
cactusjakal@reddit
"Statistically" yeah, the engines and transmissions "last forever". The cars fall apart tho. Made out of the shittiest materials and rust out worse than everything else apart from american trucks. They're as interesting and well made as your dishwasher.
Tony-cums@reddit
No way it didn’t happen without a leading cause. That’s low mileage regardless.
oldgoldman@reddit (OP)
They said it was likely an oil starvation issue due to an oil passage blockage. Couldn’t say for sure. Oil was changed every 3K miles. Still runs with the ticking noise. Will be my winter beater now.
iSmashPotsForRupees@reddit
Any chance you had the oil changed recently before the failure?
Honda tech here. We've experienced oil filter plastic clogging the oil jet in the head gasket. Techs poke their finger through the oil filter hole when opening the filter wrapping and a small piece of plastic is deposited in the filter. It makes its way through the oil passages and lodges in the headgasket and starves the valve train. Cylinder 4 area is usually the affected area.
I'd start asking more questions if that's the case.
7eregrine@reddit
3k... 🤦♂️
Dadskander@reddit
I've gotta do the same with my 1.5T CRV due to the high amount of fuel oil dilution in the cold winter months. I do an oil change in Nov (oil and filter) and March (oil only). Wife drives about 7000 miles a year.
Every March, the dipstick reads higher and the oil smells strongly of gas, confirmed by Blackstone to have high levels of fuel dilution, but not quite enough to damage anything.
Warmer months it's not really an issue.
BullofBronx@reddit
This is the exact reason that I got rid of my civic SI. I really hope nothing fails on you, but my honest opinion is that you should look at something else.
The idea that we run 0w20 and then dilute it with gasoline scares the hell out of me.
It all makes me so sad because I love Honda. But the new engines are unpredictable to say the least.
mini4x@reddit
Why not also switch to a thicker oil ?
tlong243@reddit
There is the whole debate of "the engineers who designed it would know best" but I am of the opinion these super lightweight oils are for that 1-2 mpg gain in efficiency so they can put a bigger number and get more green credit. I generally run a heavier oil in all my vehicles, especially as they age. Those engineers don't care if your vehicle hits 300k. They just want the highest efficiency now.
Dadskander@reddit
I mean, it's only 7k miles a year and she otherwise loves the vehicle, I'll roll the dice a bit with this one. Really wish I had the 2.4L but of course the higher trims come with the worse engine 😔
From what I've read from people with higher (150k+) mileage 1.5's, frequent oil changes does mitigate many risks
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Lower intervals are generally better because it avoids issues with oil dilution and shearing, and it ensures the detergents are still working great.
Oils aren’t designed to last 7k-9k miles. They’ll naturally break down from heat cycles and blow by due to looser piston rings used in modern engines.
Flamingi123@reddit
Oils absolutely are designed to last well over 9k miles. Just look at Europe, where the standard interval has been 18k miles for years and the engine failure rates are not higher than in the US.
Of course your initial statement is correct, shorter interval is better, but OPs 3k seems a little bit excessive. Modern vehicles have an oil life sensor, so just doing a change when the car prompts you to is fine for the vast majority of people.
PiratenPower@reddit
I only ever did mine every 30.000km on my Golf, although I'd assume in America they have more issues with cold starts.
Here the coldest we ever had in winters was about - 10C and that only ever be for a week. If the engine I frequently cold started in way colder than that, I'd assume it would have issues burning all the fuel on startup.
Do diesels have the same issue in America?
ly5ergic@reddit
Burning all the fuel on startup?
Diesel in cold places have block heaters and winter diesel is part kerosene with some other anti gelling additives
PiratenPower@reddit
If it's cold enough for the fuel to not vaporize, you can have drops of it collect on the walls of the engine, which will mix with the oil.
ly5ergic@reddit
It gets to -20c here and I have lived places it gets to -35c and never got any noticeable fuel dilution in my oil. Gas vehicles.
w00stersauce@reddit
From what I’ve seen it’s really more of a timer than a sensor.
Flamingi123@reddit
Well, you are right in that it’s not a physical sensor, but it takes into account more than just the time. It’s a synthetic sensor that looks additionally at your driving style, time spent at certain rpm levels, engine load, ambient and operating temperature etc.
KingPhilip01@reddit
Are you insinuating that interval killed the motor?
7eregrine@reddit
No. 11 oil changes in 33k miles is insane.
KingPhilip01@reddit
Somebody already pointed it out, but it could have been been necessary due to oil dilution.
EuroCanadian2@reddit
Which engine does it have?
oldgoldman@reddit (OP)
The 1.5T
ridgebackm@reddit
What type of oil were you 0W20.
That oil is to thin and effecting lots of different engine.
NarcoticCow@reddit
Doesn’t the manufacturer recommend 0w-20?
oldgoldman@reddit (OP)
I’ll check
NarcoticCow@reddit
1.5t? The new engines aren’t as good as the k series of old
mr_lab_rat@reddit
2019 should still be the NA 2.4?
That was supposed to be the good one.
oldgoldman@reddit (OP)
It’s the 1.5 turbo pig.
Musabi@reddit
You should look into the class action lawsuit that’s going on with these engines. My partner had one, and it started having issues literally 2 weeks before her extended warranty ended. We sold it immediately 8 months and 20k CAD later once part of the engine (short block I believe) was replaced along with the turbo (twice), head gasket, spark plugs, coil packs, and some other crap I’m surely forgetting. Can’t hurt to look into it!
oldgoldman@reddit (OP)
Will do. Thanks for the advice
PassiveKiller@reddit
If you’re taking mostly small trips ( a few miles ) or infrequent use may cause the oil to never fully heat up.
Also things like living near a highway in addition to not warming up and accelerating to speed can cause its own issues
Not implying OP did any of these things
hmkr@reddit
Honda are pos now, basically kia.
aeroplane1979@reddit
I wouldn’t go quite that far, but they’re certainly not what they used to be
GlassBoxGoose@reddit
And thats why I continue to fix and drive my 2003 and my wife's 2007 TL, both with loads of miles. Buying anything newer seems like a shot in the dark on wether or not it'll last like these have so far. both have over 300k miles and are still quite reliable, my 03 is rough but her 07 is still in really good shape compared to some I see for sale with under 200k miles. The cost to maintain and repair continues to stay really reasonable, so we just keep going. Id like to get her in an MDX and take over her TL-S, but she really likes the thing and won't give it up 🤣
aeroplane1979@reddit
Oh yeah. Just about any pre-2010 Honda should be a fine vehicle for years to come (though I know there were some transmission issues in the aughts).
I'm not any kind of Luddite or anything, and maybe it's just that I'm nearing my 50's, but the notion of buying a 90's Toyota, Honda, or Nissan and just keeping it running forever seems more and more appealing to me.
PurpleSausage77@reddit
This is why I have trust issues. Jk. But seriously, I’m going to have to do deep research when shopping beaters in the future. So far I’ve messed around with a few dozen vehicles and have a good system of analysis or due diligence of what’s good or not good. It’s not simply a matter of country of origin or what the sheep preach about reliability and their very limited subjective opinions. Totally have to go on a model by model basis, not brand.
GlassBoxGoose@reddit
Depends what kind of beater you're looking for and what mileage threshold you're staying under, etc. Some of the honda/acuras are decent at a decent price as long as you go just old enough. Everyone has a slightly different definition of "beater" lol
Ok_Two_2604@reddit
Maybe you should have had a mechanic do the maintenance and not just prayed.
Beginning-Average959@reddit
Common blockages on Honda is if using factory oil filter, the plastic wrapper. People will push thru the plastic at the open end, and sometimes a small piece of plastic will drop onto that space. It's reverse flow, so the plastic piece can clog the port, starve oil. Seen that several times. They have a bulletin that explains the "right way" to remove the wrapper to prevent.
ezagreb@reddit
1.5t engine? There’s a class action suit over head gasket failures for that engine for that year
7eregrine@reddit
No car company is good willing a 7 year old engine replacement tbf.
aeroplane1979@reddit
I just had engine failure on my 2020 Honda Passport with 68k miles. There’s a known issue with premature rod bearing failures on those v6s, but they are refusing to own up to it. Despite that being my ninth Honda, Honda Corp basically told me to pound sand. It’ll be the last Honda I ever purchase.
CanadaEh97@reddit
And i was considered one of the new Passports instead of a 4Runner or similar.
oldgoldman@reddit (OP)
Ditto. Never buying another Honda.