Ferrari 12Cilindri Could Add a Manual Gearbox, GTO Model
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Rumors and trademark filings suggest that the front-engined V-12 supercar is could bring two different major surprises very soon.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Really confusing how the same ferrari that manages to put out some of the best ideas & cars in over a decade (296 + speciale, Sp3, Roma (relative to the cali/portofino), etc.), the same ferrari that *might* do this & engineers out the 499p & 296 gt3, can put out the Luce.
they're a public company now sure but even then the stock price would surely benefit from a little more focus
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Ferrari feels like 3 different car companies in a trench coat
TerribleNameAmirite@reddit
It kind of is. The Roma and 12C are done by a completely different team than the 296/F80
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
My personal theory about this is that Ferrari know their traditional petrolhead customer base doesn't want an EV and would likely not buy one, so they're openly courting the wealthy Silicon Valley tech bro community.
Why do you think they invited all the tech press to the launch of the Luce and made such a big deal about Jony Ive doing the interior? It's basically a love letter to their tastes.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
the wealthy silicon valley tech bros very commonly own older Ferrari sports cars.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
The nvidia parking lot is riddled with 296's & Z06's, sv techbros are very much car guys, after every ipo comes a mclaren f1
Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho@reddit
There's a Ferrari dealer in silicon valley, in the early 2000s, it was across the street from the Mclaren dealer, neither struggled for business. Selling fast cars to tech people with spare money after their company got bought was never a market they struggled with. Literally all of them grew up watching top gear, and tastes reflect that.
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
Sure, but in the 2010s, the tech bro community was filled with Gen-Xers and Millennials who still grew up with poster cars on their bedroom walls. This appears to be pitched to a younger generation that have grown up with Apple-style minimalist industrial design and favour that kind of human-machine interaction.
It's a gamble for sure, and it's definitely not my cup of tea as I don't really see cars as a large, self-propelled smartphone with an app store. But apart from the fact that I don't exactly have 'Ferrari money', even if I did, I'd want one of their regular combustion cars, not an EV. Whereas Ferrari seem to want to go head to head against the Rolls Royce Spectre and other ultra-luxury EVs, except without all the old-school stuffiness that the legacy ultra-luxury brands have.
Only time will tell if it pays off.
Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho@reddit
Generally, cheaper products are the entry points. If a company is trying to win new demographics, that’s the product they’d be doing it with (in that regard, I think Ferrari does a particularly good job with the Roma/Amalfi). In this case, the Luce is one of the more expensive cars they make. That on its own will bias it towards existing customers, regardless if they claim otherwise in a press release.
I’d say if anything things have intensified, rather than cooled off since the 2010s. And looking at Ferrari’s sales, that seems to be the case. Remember, it was the people who created apple style minimalism that were the customers for these in the past. And it’s not like any of these people decorate their house that way. What suits a mass market electronic device, probably doesn’t lend itself to a house, or a status symbol supercar. Especially when that aesthetic is specifically tied to mass produced consumer goods.
I’d lean towards this being a compliance vehicle. The ultra luxury EV space does not appear to be a particularly large or profitable market, or one especially suited to Ferrari. I think the reason it looks weird, is because they know it’s a compliance vehicle, likely a dead end, so they can get experimental, see if pieces of that work, and reintegrate those into the main line, ie, the interior.
ALaLaLa98@reddit
Not the point, but the SP3 is such a cool car, easily one of the all-time greatest cars ever made. Its biggest drawback is its cost/exclusivity.
Aero06@reddit
Aston put out the Cygnet and the Valkyrie within a decade of each other, I think this is just Ferrari's moment of putting out a failure of a compliance vehicle.
Several-Eggplant4460@reddit
The Cygnet was done in the most obviously low effort way for emissions compliance.
The Luce was also done for emissions compliance, but Ferrari actually tried to (and thought they did a good job of) making a proper Ferrari.
If Ferrari had taken a Maserati GranTurismo Folgore and restyled it and added some Ferrari cushions, it would have looked better and probably cost less in RnD.
strongmanass@reddit
Saying Aston "put out" the Cygnet is giving them a lot of credit. They put their vaned grille on a Toyota iQ. It was so absurd it was easy to set the car apart from the rest of the line-up. It's also hilarious in hindsight.
Nero_Wolff@reddit
Hey they put a V8 in 1 of them
Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho@reddit
IIRC, that was a cut down vantage, that has a cygnet body put over it.
Maximilianne@reddit
i just don't understand how the same guy can design the beautiful Sp3 and then design the f80 or the 812 and the 12 cilindri
Montjo17@reddit
There's a simple answer here - the SP3 is overwrought and not particularly good looking itself
bukubukuditya@reddit
2/10 ragebait, try again next time
Mabenue@reddit
Because you’re not a Ferrari customer. Their typical customer already has at least one of the above listed cars and they’re not going to make an EV that’s will compete with them in terms of excitement or experience that an ICE powered car will. It has to be something those customers don’t already own a better version of. If they made some hyper aggressive styled two door electric sports car it’s pointless as their customers already own those just with combustion engines and the added thrill they bring.
vexx786@reddit
Cause the Luce isn't really designed by Ferrari.
EmergencyRace7158@reddit
Strategic leak to divert attention from the Luce disaster.
clydetorrez@reddit
Looks like the Luce damage control machine is already up and running
iatekane@reddit
Ferrari has been talking for a while now about bringing back their gated manual transmissions, to the point that it’s essentially a certainty it’s happening.
But yeah hard to argue with the timing lol
oGsMustachio@reddit
The marked up manual option seems like a no brainer. BMW is selling a manual M3 CS as a limited edition with a $25k markup. Theres huge markups for manual used Ferraris over autos. Porsche has a little special manual edition 911.
While the manual sports car market isn't as big as the rich-guy-that-wants-to-look-cool market, its clearly there and people are willing to spend extra for it.
The issue for Ferrari might be finding a manual transmission that feels good, can handle that amount of power, and will be reliable.
masterventris@reddit
This is helped by the Ferraris that were offered in both often either had questionable early model "F1" gearboxes, or the manual was built in extremely low numbers!
komrobert@reddit
The M3 CS is not a 25K markup. It has the CS bits except the boost (due to weak manual) and AWD, and costs 10K+ less than a regular CS did in 2024. It’s actually kind of a bargain, but I doubt they’ll sell for sticker.
tnolan182@reddit
I had a fully optioned g80 reservation prior to the cs announcement. It was 3k cheaper than the CS. So Im not sure I would call it a 25k markup. You’re getting carbon buckets, carbon hood, carbon exterior, gold wheels and ceramic breaks.
Montjo17@reddit
It feels insane that they haven't already. The market for ~$1m manual cars is huge at the moment - just look at all the restomods out there at that price point. And things like the 911 S/T as well. It's clearly a formula that works, and Ferrari could be selling gated manual 12Cilindri's for stupid money hand over fist
desf15@reddit
Rumors about it were circling on Ferrari forum for months already. Other stuff that people there are also talking about and I didn't see mentioned anywhere else is 296 Challenge Stradale which would eschew all hybrid stuff. Wonder if it will happen.
aprtur@reddit
Probably planned timing from the outset...."if this Luce release goes to shit, have something traditional on the back burner to release immediately afterwards".
Z_0_Sick@reddit
My thoughts exactly
Sevisstillonkashyyyk@reddit
At least we find out who's going to buy Luce's to get on the waiting list, people will want a manual v12 so they'll sell all the Luce's no problem now.
Baby-girl-54321@reddit
Realistically it’ll be ultra limited and impossible to buy, but the fact Ferrari is even considering it is exciting.
Gloomy-Two4359@reddit
Nobody wants a 12cyllindri still
_DK_Lunar_@reddit
Who's nobody..? Do you at least know one Ferrari onwer?
Gloomy-Two4359@reddit
Yea I know FJ Miller, you probably heard of him too. I’m just saying when in comparison to the f12 or 812 it doesn’t carry that Ferrari wow. That’s why prices for 812 gts are pretty close to cyllindris. Not saying there isn’t a market for them, just saying the market isn’t what it was like for 812 and f12s
jrileyy229@reddit
So a "could" article based on a "could" article based on a vague "could" quote
Slowmyke@reddit
Quick, ~~whisper~~ scream sweet nothings until they forget about the iFerrari travesty
Fortenio@reddit
Cool but I think DCT fits the balance of the car bettet
lique_madique@reddit
Gated manual > and DCT
Armored_Guardian@reddit
Well the GTO model is a given
XMAN2YMAN@reddit
That last manual by Ferrari was in 2012, not sure how you can assume that just because it’s the GTO. hopefully they do because they can easily charge a lot more for a manual to compensate for R&D cost.
steezebuscemi1@reddit
They meant that the GTO or an equivalent is a given, not that it being manual is a given.
XMAN2YMAN@reddit
Then I apologize, O clearly misunderstood
Froloswaggin@reddit
guess ferrari are in panic mode huh