The 5th gen fighters of the east

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Scoobler1992@reddit

The F-313 isn’t a real aircraft and are we sure that the SU-57 is actually fifth gen?

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Go_Loud762@reddit

I wonder how many westerners are employed at Chinese aircraft and defense manufacturers.

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Not many. The Israelis helped with the original design, and they used espionage to refine some of its stealth capabilities, but the Chinese currently lead the world in radar, sensor, and drone tech and I don’t think they got there by hiring capitalists.

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underthesp00n@reddit

lead the world in radar and sensor tech? Please do tell

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Go_Loud762@reddit

That's my point. They got there by stealing western technology and improving it.

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OriginalGoat1@reddit

Wasn’t there a famous American rocket designer called Werner von Braun ?

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Chasseur_OFRT@reddit

Von Braun was more of a consultant than an actual developer.

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ex0e@reddit

Wasn't there a famous Soviet rocket control designer named Helmut Gröttrup?

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LiGuangMing1981@reddit

Gee, just like every other country in history, then (including the US).

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abcpdo@reddit

…and?

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ThatGenericName2@reddit

They absolutely got there by hiring capitalists.

China does a lot of espionage but the secret they, as well as the western world doesn’t want you to know is they literally also just hire people who worked for top US companies.

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krazybanana@reddit

Capitalists? China’s economy is majorly capitalist

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Worshipme988@reddit

More than three years ago. Lol

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callsignsuper@reddit

Why is this sub so racist?

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avrosky@reddit

genuinely a shithole. aviation really brings out the most jingoistic, warmongering rhetoric

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CardinalOfNYC@reddit

propaganda

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Kardinal@reddit

I'm fine with pretty pictures of cool looking aircraft from other countries. Including nations I'm not a fan of.

But I think that last one on the end doesn't actually qualify as an aircraft. Much less a fifth gen.

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Ficsit-Incorporated@reddit

The second to last doesn’t qualify as a real aircraft either.

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Haldron-44@reddit

It may not qualify as real, but I think the X-32 (and before the hate and down votes hit, I know this isn't an X-32) just looked cooler. Pretty Edit: coming from a big fan of how the Corsair looked. Basing my opinion on literally nothing else but the rule of cool of a nose scoop. Yes I'm weird.

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Ficsit-Incorporated@reddit

Oh the aesthetics aren’t what I object to, though a chin intake isn’t to my personal tastes. I object to the SU-75 being characterized as anything other than vaporware, because that’s what it is and that’s what I expect it will remain.

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Haldron-44@reddit

More than likely. We saddly may be heading for a vaporware race 😐

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Boeing777-3ER@reddit

I love the Corsair

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rekt97531@reddit

It's a real project and will come out sooner or later. it's real.

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CyberSoldat21@reddit

It doesn’t and it’s not until it flies in my opinion. Same applies to whatever the fuck Iran did there

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747WakeTurbulance@reddit

There is no proof Russia has ever made a single stealth fighter. They are laughing stock when they show up at air shows.

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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

i mean, the aircraft at airshows isn't a laughingstock, that thing can pull off some crazy maneuvers... problem is that none of those save it from having a giant rcs

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rekt97531@reddit

none of us know what the rcs is and stop pretending you do.

plus there are so much more to consider when evaluating a planes over all stealth. its different from multiple angles for one. its probably at least stealthy from the front, which is the direction other fighters will face.

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pilostt@reddit

OK Russian Bot.. Bee Bop

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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

official Sukhoi figured place it at 1 m2 and the Russians always overreport

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rekt97531@reddit

that shit was a PUBLIC patent for the prototype. do you seriously think their gonna put that in a PUBLIC patent?

These exaggerated figures are probably pulled from sources unaffiliated with the actual government or manufacturer.

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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

yes.

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rekt97531@reddit

well they didn't lol

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yakult_on_tiddy@reddit

Public patent for a prototype mockup. Actual power incidence analysis places is significantly lower than 1 m^2.

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Gunsensual@reddit

I was just thinking, is that a Su57? That's a respectable 4.5th gen fighter. Russia says it's a 5th gen- Russia says a lot of things.

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rekt97531@reddit

well the us also say alot of things. does that say something about what they say about the f 35? No you say? then it applies to russia as well

it IS 5th gen whether you like it or not. there is so much evidence for it, and the idea that the russians can't make one when they have a century of soviet aerospace knowledge to build off should disprove that

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revcor@reddit

They’ve already taken over r/warplane porn and turned it into a Russia/China circle jerk with ass quality photos, and when the mods enforce any rule they gaslight the mods whining about this has “always been their only place to discuss airplanes.”

The people who post shit like this are trash who will devour a subreddit and make it unrecognizable if not dealt with

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Fabulous-Suspect-72@reddit

Neither do the first 4

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BigJellyfish1906@reddit

The Su-57 is not 5th gen. And literally only 30 of them exist after 6 years of "service."

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2Crest@reddit

Holy shit the Chinese copied the SHIT put do the F-35

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MightySquirrel28@reddit

The only Eastern jets that could be considered 5th gen are Chinese.

Su57 with RCS of a football field is as much 5th gen as is f18.

And I'm not even gonna start about the plywood mockup su75 lol. That thing exist only in the wild dreams of Russians

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Tsundare_Mai@reddit

Anyone with even basic aerodynamics knowledge would not even compare the f18 rcs to su57’s rcs. Just look at them.. how can u even think both have the same rcs

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2Crest@reddit

Good thing RCS depends on aerodynamics /s

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GravyPainter@reddit

China definitely had insiders on the f-35 team

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Chasseur_OFRT@reddit

Even the retractable ladder hatch is identical to the F-35, it's kind of funny.

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OriginalGoat1@reddit

European (including Russian) Carrier aircraft have included built-in boarding ladders since the Cold War. The practical implications of operating from a crowded flight deck affect the Chinese Navy the same as they bite other Navies. Form follows function.

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HuntKey2603@reddit

mate, sure. but fucking identical?

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constantpisspig@reddit

It's weird that dolphins and fish both have fins

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Chasseur_OFRT@reddit

What a nonsensical train of thought...

We aren't criticizing the fact it has a ladder, merely pointing out the obvious fact the ladder is identical to the F-35 to it's minute details lol

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Chasseur_OFRT@reddit

Like, even the pattern in the hatch is identical, an "x" shaped bump I believe, literally identical.

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totensiesich@reddit

Former F-35 Instructor Pilot was indicted for giving Chinese pilots lessons.

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danmojo82@reddit

Stuff like this is where we should be charging people with treason and executing them quickly if convicted.

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Jemsy1@reddit

Could say that about most of their advanced technology. At least they’re doing a lot more innovating these days.

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CanISeeYourVagina@reddit

Have to. They ran out of stuff to steal

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LiGuangMing1981@reddit

It has some similarities to the F35, but a LOT of differences too. You might as well say Airbus had insiders on the 787 team.

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Just_Another_Scott@reddit

You might as well say Airbus had insiders on the 787 team.

Cirporate espionage is a billion dollar industry.

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fufa_fafu@reddit

So? Going by that idiotic comment since Airbus and Boeing looks similar Airbus must have copied everything.

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EasyAsAyeBeeSea@reddit

Which is the biggest reminder of why chemtrails are idiotic. Of course spies were able to infiltrate the f35 program, it was 10,000 people, impossible to prevent leaks.

But chemtrails, which would require thousands of design engineers and 10s to 100s of thousands of people to be aware of, and not one of them has linked anything?

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Kerbal_Guardsman@reddit

Im genuinely surprised the chemtrail people dont have whole websites to track the USAF and contractor tanker fleets. If there are aircraft which could be used or refitted for the sole purpose of dumping liquid solution payload, those would be it. Not clouds from airliner engines that always get the videos lol.

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a_scientific_force@reddit

They just use ADS-B Exchange.

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Imperium_Dragon@reddit

Chemtrail people think the government is both competent enough that no leaks happen in an industry employing hundreds of thousands to millions of people and also incompetent enough that random people can “deduce” that chemtrails are poisonous.

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CreepySquirrel6@reddit

Isn’t there a massive story about whole story about how the whole/ major parts of the program was compromised? Or was that not true?

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ImmediateSeat6447@reddit

The amount of jingoism, hypocrisy and cope in this comment section is ridiculous.

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RecordEnvironmental4@reddit

Called the sukhoi’s 5th gen’s is an insult to the Chinese

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new-to-reddit-20@reddit

What else can we do to insult the Chinese? /S

Jk… don’t ruin my future social score please.

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_PROBABLY_CORRECT@reddit

Imagine if China used our reddit karma as social score

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Davecave94@reddit

looks like that wont work out for you buddy

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_PROBABLY_CORRECT@reddit

Gotta love the reddit hive mind for a joke

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midatlantik@reddit

I know you're joshin around, but the social score thing is actually a myth that's been debunked as anti China propaganda. The social credit score was created specifically to prevent large Chinese companies from circumventing health and safety rules. It started around the time the baby formula scandal happened. China doesn't actually have a social credit score.

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buck70@reddit

"5th gen". If you say so.

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lotecsi@reddit

Cry more

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Nylkyl@reddit

Chinese have actuall 5-th gen fighters russians are trying and failing to have anything approaching actuall stealth and Iranians are just larping.

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markstar99@reddit

Bro thinks he's part of the team 😭

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MaxPowerOverdrive99@reddit

I was gonna make a snide Temu remark, but apparently I’m way too late. 🧐

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Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit

Tfw when basic ai prompts humble redditors

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Thechlebek@reddit

Including the Su-57 was bold, but the Su-75 femboy is too far man 😭

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PsychologicalGlass47@reddit

What about it "was bold" or "too far"?

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Thechlebek@reddit

I require the femboy to at least fly

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Fit_Definition1583@reddit

Fucking copycats

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Late-Scarcity-6916@reddit (OP)

Why so mad? The su-57, su-75, and f313 aren't copycats.

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After-Cake9055@reddit

What about the Concorde? The Soviets built the Tu-144 with stolen Concorde design documents.

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PsychologicalGlass47@reddit

The Concorde isn't a 5th generation fighter aircraft, nor is the Tu-144.

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SpreadEmu127332@reddit

Yeah that’s why one of them doesn’t exist and the other one hasn’t seen combat even though Russia is in an active conflict.

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TLCM-4412@reddit

How can those canopy frames help with its stealth characteristics? Obviously, that’s gonna return radar immensely.

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PsychologicalGlass47@reddit

Lol, nope

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T-Rex_MD@reddit

The last one is not real, ask Is-rael.

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Swimming-Region6958@reddit

Looks like Temu copies of American planes

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HappyGnumff@reddit

10x a day post. Are these bots?

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Important-Spring3977@reddit

Propaganda dispensers, bots, useful idiots. Take your pick, or try all three!

The "F313" at the end literally had me inhale some tea.

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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

The last one is like RC scale and launches off a carrier that no longer exists

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SkylineGTRR34Freak@reddit

While they did make RC scale ones, the F-313 originally was a "full size (lol)" mock up for a manned jet

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Mountain_Sandwich_45@reddit

All with the radar signature of a school bus..

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braveyetti117@reddit

The east sounds so exotic

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thatswhatsheheld@reddit

Omg fuck off

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Katana_DV20@reddit

Just look at how rugged the SU57 landing gear is. You could land it on a sandbar, have a BBQ and then fly away.

J-35 is such a great design. So clean the airframe.

J-20 looks terrifying.

Except for the last one all these designs look badass.

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allahakbau@reddit

j35 looks far better than f35.

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Still-Union-2528@reddit

Username checks out

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Arsene_Yuka_1980@reddit

What about the TF-Kaan and the KF-21?

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Chasseur_OFRT@reddit

They are like the J-20, they are more like a 4,5 gen with stealthy features than actual 5th gen.

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SSobarzo@reddit

But can they fly under GPS jamming?

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RaiJolt2@reddit

Why does it have a dumpy?

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Authority_Sama@reddit

"F-35? Is that you?"

"Yes, let me into your airspace. Don't you recognize me, F-22?"

Skinwalker plane

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the_tza@reddit

It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot.

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s0ul_invictus@reddit

*4th

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sourcefourmini@reddit

All you need to do is skim the Jet Fighter Generations wiki page to learn how silly it is to quibble over the exact meaning of a nebulous-at-best marketing term.

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Late-Scarcity-6916@reddit (OP)

The J-35 is 100% 5th gen... Idk about the others but they all would be at least 4.5 gen (not including the f313)

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precision_cumshot@reddit

bro the F313 isn’t even a real jet

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Late-Scarcity-6916@reddit (OP)

That's why I excluded it

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And none of us wants to see China actually use the J-20 and J-35 outside of exercises.

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Kardinal@reddit

Indeed. And I'd rather not see the Felon used either. Not because I believe it's a game changer but just because I would rather Russia gave up that war.

Hell, I'd rather none of these saw combat really. That's the hope of every soldier.

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