Assuming such is true, wouldn’t it attract a similar amount of tourists with leg issues from other countries?

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Even-Way9768@reddit

Not necessarily, they said in their post they mainly accommodate people from the UK.

Yeah, I stayed in a mostly Dutch hotel in Spain once, and stayed in a mostly Australian hotel another time in Thailand. I booked both hotels direct, independent of any travel company.

The only thing really was that the food, drink selection and entertainment at the hotels was catered to the dominant nationality staying there. As I didn't eat there aside from breakfast or watch the entertainment I wasn't bothered.

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redseaaquamarine@reddit

No chance of a sunbed there

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Excellent_Swim_2721@reddit

Im part German my mother was from Berlin. so I know their tricks 😂

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redseaaquamarine@reddit

Ah!!! You would have learned from birth!

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LongsandsBeach@reddit

There’s usually a dominant one. But they obviously don’t put fences up. There’ll always be some mix.

Resorts or parts of resorts are often predominately visited by people from certain countries because travel firms there book everything. Magaluf is very British - Tui DE doesn’t sell any hotels there. While El Arenal is very German - Tui UK sells 2 hotels there compared to over 10 by Tui DE.

Elsewhere Platanias in Crete is very Scandinavian.

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Justplaythefkngnote@reddit

Off topic but Magaluf was my first time on a plane and first girls' holiday in 1986. What an experience that was lol. Mainly Brits but some Italians too. All young groups then so no canes

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OctopusGoesSquish@reddit

It also makes sense because entertainment and signage only needs to be available in one language.

I went up to one of them and probably in the worst Spanish...

británicos idiotas

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Trebus@reddit

I've been in Spain and I saw two different people get upset at the Spaniards for not speaking fluent English.

Don't be a dick to each other, or other subreddits, places, or people.

Don't be a dick to each other, or other subreddits, places, or people. AskUK contains a variety of ages, experiences, and backgrounds - consider not everyone is operating on the same level or background as you. Listen to others before you respond, and be courteous when doing so.

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BT7274_best_robot@reddit

You have no idea just how hard it is to get pip do you? They are absolute cunts and even wheelchair bound people have issues getting it.

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Terry__Tibbs@reddit

https://pipguide.co.uk/pip-application-help/aids-and-appliances-explained

The guidance is literally everywhere online, so its you who has no idea

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Reddit_user81015@reddit

I'm not seeing anything that backs up your point on that link

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randomlyalex@reddit

Mans working in the hotel marigold wondering why all foreign people are old

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dotben@reddit

A significant number of younger British tourists visit Ibiza, Magaluf etc holding caine.

I wouldn't say they have leg problems however...

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katie-kaboom@reddit

It's probably more that where you live is viewed as a safer place for them to holiday than those who don't have leg problems.

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> 'autistic' walk

What is this exactly?

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FlowRoko@reddit

https://www.autism.org.uk/learn/knowledge-hub/professional-practice/motor-skills

https://autism.org/toe-walking-and-asd/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4398922/

Not all autistic people have issues with gait, and some even have above average motor skills in general, but for those who do have a deficiency it is immediately obvious when you see it.

Toe walking is the main and most obvious one mainly found in children, but there are other gaits and movement issues that are immediately obvious such as unusual posture, notably uneven pacing, poor planning of future movement etc.

It's so detectable that the examination of gait and other motor skills deficits have been used in studies for early detection of autism.

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Ok_Bumblebee_9873@reddit

Whilst this is true , toe walking is not a 'mobility issue' it's not the same as someone who has a limp from a disability or injury. They shouldn't be lumped in together and I have no idea why you think seeing autistic people is concerning.

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winterfox1999@reddit

I would love to know as well 😅 I work with autistic children and I wouldn’t say they all have a similar walk, at least no more similar than (generally) putting one foot in front of the other

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LittlePetiteGirl@reddit

Just a guess, but probably walking on tiptoe and keeping their arms up like Mr.Burns from the Simpsons

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allyearswift@reddit

Ever since I started using a walking stick I have noticed a lot more people with walking sticks/crutches/canes.

Whenever there is a chance of scrambling or styles, I carry a stick, even on flat ground; as does my partner, who has no mobility impairment. When going hillwalking, that is pretty normal wherever I’ve been.

quackenfucknuckle@reddit

I’m talking about these.

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Ok_Bumblebee_9873@reddit

Oh okay sorry I thought we were talking about canes.

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MostFortune1093@reddit

An interesting point. When it comes to wheelchair users. Absolutely. I'm Hungarian and Hungary isn't as wheelchair accessible as the UK. Not the public spaces anyway.

But in my experience for people like me, who use crutches or canes public spaces aren't more accessible here at all.

Accessibility for people with reduced mobility who can still walk isn't something that is taken into consideration at all by most people. This is why many bus stops don't have benches for example.

So no I absolutely firmly believe that the UK has a higher rate of chronic illness. I've never looked at statistics partially because those don't include people who are chronically ill but not had a diagnosis yet.

I think sadly the UK is an exceptionally stressful and unhealthy country to live in, which I didn't fully understand until I moved here. Life taught me this lesson by giving me an immune related illness that I likely got from years of black mould exposure and chronic stress and sleep deprivation from neighbors:/

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Ok-Flamingo2801@reddit

But you say that, in your experience, Hungary isn't as wheelchair accessible as the UK and is more difficult for people with reduced mobility to get around. And instead of thinking that maybe that means there are more people with reduced mobility who stay at home than the people you see when out and about, you think it means there are fewer people with mobility issues in total?

Then you assume the higher number of people with mobility issues, but who are still able to get out and about, is due to a higher rate of chronic illness, even though you are assuming this because you see more people with mobility issues in the place that is more accessible to people with mobility issues, and haven't even looked at the stats for chronic illness rates, stating that you're assuming there are enough people undiagnosed in the UK to skew the numbers, despite both UK and Hungry having funded healthcare, and so it would be just as easy, if not more so, to assume the rates of undiagnosed chronic illness would affect the stats for both places evenly.

Then you assume that your immune related illness is due to environmental conditions.

People aren't downvoting you because they're triggered, they're downvoting you because you make a buttload of unreasonable assumptions that don't make sense and don't seem interested in even trying to find something to back it up.

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MostFortune1093@reddit

I'm sorry I should have been much clearer. When I say mobility aids I specifically mean canes and crutches. Absolutely people with wheelchairs get out less in Hungary. I was actually really impressed by how much more wheelchair accessible public spaces are here. But homes aren't though sadly.

But this is the issue. I don't know how skewed the statistics are. Don't get me wrong, the Hungarian health care system is very far from being what I would call good. Hospitals are like going back in time. Such outdated equipment. Understaffed. And I can tell you, many medical professionials have crap bedside manners. Here they don't .They are burnt out.I haven't been back in a decade so I can't comment on what it like now...might be worse now than back then.

But it's an attitude difference. I feel like doctors here just don't listen. GPs are forced to be gatekeepers of necessary investigations.

There they do investigations just to be safe. Will you wait long for appointments and procedures? Absolutely. But you get referred. Private health care is more affordable too, especially if it's an outpatient appointment of some sort.

Oh and believing that autoimmune conditions are environmentally triggered is far from being an assumption. Whether there is often a genetic component? Absolutely! It can be both. Often genetics just makes us more prone to disease and then something in the environment or in the body triggers it. Yes stress can do it. Viral illness can. Major physical trauma can. Mould too. But there isn't always a family history of the disease. And people as a rule don't get extensive genetic testing in their lives ever. So to what extent genes play a part...it's hard to tell. Around 1 percent of the population have celiac disease but 40 percent have the gene for it. Something triggers the condition in that one percent.

But people do get offended because when I talk about how bad housing is here and how it's genuinely physically harmful it is. It's because I'm a foreigner. But I'm upset about this on the behalf of everyone who lives here. Not just myself.

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LitmusVest@reddit

So no I absolutely firmly believe that the UK has a higher rate of chronic illness.

Than Hungary? Hungary's got one of the worst rates of chronic illness in Europe, and that's despite life expectancy being relatively short, which tends to take chronic illness out of stats because, well if you live shorter lives, you're chronically ill less...

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MostFortune1093@reddit

Well yes absolutely. But that also depends on what chronic illness we are talking about. Heart disease that will kill you young? Type 2 diabetes that can be managed with diet? High blood pressure? None of these are conditions that produce visible symptoms.

Or MS that will cause mobility issues? ME that causes devastating fatigue?

The other thing is that in the UK is very common for people to struggle to get a diagnosis unless it's something easy to diagnose (just takes a blood test). You literally have to beg for a specialist appointment or scans.

I have osteoarthritis which I've had from a young age (unknown cause). I got a diagnosis in a week. Here I never got referred to a scan, doctors told me I'm too young and didn't believe me at all when I said I had this condition. I had scans done privately this time and yes I have it. I have to have scans done so my medical records are accurate.

Had I been living here my whole life and was too poor to get the scans I would have gone nearly 15 years without a diagnosis.

Hungary' s healthcare system sucks but last time I was there I had no problems getting referrals. I can't comment on how things are now, but I know that in the UK, people sometime fight a decade for a diagnosis.

So I'll be a bit more specific: conditions that can be triggered by eating an unhealthy diet (specifically processed food), mould exposure (yes it can make you sick and can even kill...what do you think caused over a 100 child deaths in temporary accommodations?), extreme and persistent stress or pollution will all inevitably be more common here because these problems are more common here.

So you can't look at chronic illness statistics as a whole because not every chronic illness is something that would cause a person to need mobility aids.

Both asthma and food allergies are more prevalent here than in Hungary. Ask yourself why.

And sadly having a longer life expectancy is pointless if it doesn't come with an increased quality of life.

Many people have the genes for celiac disease for example and yet in most people it never gets actived. So how do explain that then, genius?

What you have ( eds presumably) is different. It doesn't have to get activated, it's there from the beginning. Really it's basically a congenital disease.

For many diseases what genetics do is make you more prone to have a disease, and something: stress, major physical trauma, viral infection, pollution or mould activates the condition.

I started having issues with my thyroid after a few years of mould exposure, then after we started having noisy neighbors as well that literally drove us crazy for years I got MCAS. Literally zero people in my family have these conditions. Many many people have immune related conditions who would tell you the exact same thing: stress or and mould was their trigger.

It's one thing people who are lucky to be healthy are ignorant about chronic illnesses. But when it's another chronically ill person, it's so much worse.

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collapsedcuttlefish@reddit

Its more common in the UK than in Europe. The UK is more sedentary and that leads to more problems, especially weight gain which eventually manifests into a lack of mobility. I know atleast 3 middle age adults who've developed muscle atrophy who are other wise reasonably abled, it developed from pure inactivity.

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MostFortune1093@reddit

There is a lot more to it.

I know this will offend people but the UK is ridiculously stressful to live in. This is a big part of it. Stress takes an insane toll on the body and if you join a support group for people with disease like MS or lupus (autoimmune diseases) you will see that many will say that going through a stressful time triggered their condition.

Stress causes hormonal changes in the body which are a massive trigger for medical conditions. This is why pregnancy and menopause is a common trigger for diseases as well .

Yes a sedentary lifestyle contributes to it. Normalised unhealthy eating habits too. Many people don't understand that their diet is unhealthy because it's how they grew up.

But I can tell you this, housing conditions here are an absolutely massive trigger. Bad landlords, disrepair issues, housing insecurity, absolutely shit soundproofing, councils not dealing with antisocial behaviors etc...millions live in conditions that are simply unacceptable.

People go home from their stressful jobs to noisy, cramped homes where they can't relax. They don't get enough sleep because of the neighbors. They stress because the landlord yet again ignored their requests for repairs. Eat some comfort food at 10pm at night. Stress about bills, stress about work stress about dealing with their kids school. Breathe in mould they were told is condensation.

This stress and mould are essentially a guaranteed way to illness. This is my theory that I tested out personally by getting ill in a similar manner. 0/10 wouldn't recommend.

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opopkl@reddit

It’s depressing, but the UK is visibly slipping into poverty. The signs are everywhere. Litter, unrepaired roads, empty shops, unpainted buildings and people walking round in shabby clothes. You don’t have to look far to see signs of crime, and homelessness.

Whenever I visit France or Spain, I’m surprised at how much nicer everything looks. People are better dressed and look healthier. You can see that there’s been investment in infrastructure. In the UK, everything looks patched up, at best.

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perfectflavour@reddit

I would love to see any data to back up your assertions cos this all sounds completely anecdotal and like you're projecting your own experience onto everyone else in UK society.

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MostFortune1093@reddit

So you think that people living in mould and generally poor conditions is anecdotal.

I see people complaining in UK groups daily about noisy neighbors, mould, shitty landlords and how stressed they are about these

The problem is with data like that is that it ignores all the patients that don't have a diagnosis which is actually a lot. It can be hard to get diagnosed if you can't get referred to scans or specialsts.

I begged for an appointment to a neurologist because I started showing MS like symptoms and my dad has it. I actually have Mast Cell activation syndrome. Of course it was diagnosed by a specialist, the tests that I had leading up to this diagnosis plus the appointment cost over a 1000 pounds.

I stopped trusting studies when the medical profession decided that studies prove that opioids don't work for chronic pain. And left countless sufferers in agony. I stopped trusting studies when ME sufferers were told to use graded exercise therapy, leaving many of them more disabled.

Now I believe what I can see, and the experiences of real life people who have gone through similar things to me.

I can see that more people here have a need for mobility aids and I can draw my own conclusions from that. Now I could be wrong of course but....there to be a reason for it.

I got thyroid problems and mcas from mould exposure,and stress.

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perfectflavour@reddit

> So you think that people living in mould and generally poor conditions is anecdotal.

No. You made a series of assertions that I would like to see supporting evidence of. Otherwise, they're just your opinion or anecdotal experience.

> I see people complaining in UK groups daily about noisy neighbors, mould, shitty landlords and how stressed they are about these

You don't think people complain about their neighbours or their landlords in other countries? Why would people in the UK only be stressed about those issues?

> I stopped trusting studies when the medical profession decided that studies prove that opioids don't work for chronic pain.

Okay, well I did not specifically ask for medical studies. Research and data-gathering are not exclusive to the medical profession, so it just sounds like you aren't interested in finding facts or evidence, and would rather form opinions based solely on your own experience.

> Now I believe what I can see, and the experiences of real life people who have gone through similar things to me.

This is anecdotal evidence. Unless you have comparable visibility and experience across many other countries, it doesn't make sense to paint the issues as specific to the UK.

> I can see that more people here have a need for mobility aids and I can draw my own conclusions from that. Now I could be wrong of course but....there to be a reason for it.

You are drawing conclusions without considering evidence or data, it seems. I know precisely zero about mobility aids in the UK, but I can think of a few potential reasons why they might be more visible here off the top of my head:

- Accessible environment i.e. viability of using a mobility scooter in UK town centres compared to some other countries, since many are walkable and condensed in layout

- Accessible needs provision, such as long-term legislative drives on public transport, building access, pavements etc.

- Government or charity-funded mobility access being more common here

Personally, I don't see "more people here have a need for mobility aids", so I disagree with you based on my experience. But I'm capable of accepting my anecdotal experience does not tell the whole story, and I can certainly think of some reasons why that might be the case if there is any truth to it.

> the UK is ridiculously stressful to live in.

Life is stressful for many people in many different countries.

> if you join a support group for people with disease like MS or lupus (autoimmune diseases)

The vast majority of people in the UK don't have an autoimmune disease.

> Yes a sedentary lifestyle contributes to it. Normalised unhealthy eating habits too. Many people don't understand that their diet is unhealthy because it's how they grew up.

Unhealthy eating habits, poor education about nutrition/food choices and sedentary lifestyles are not exclusively a UK issue. Those issues affect people in many different countries.

> housing conditions here are an absolutely massive trigger.

According to which data?

> Bad landlords, disrepair issues, housing insecurity, absolutely shit soundproofing, councils not dealing with antisocial behaviors etc...millions live in conditions that are simply unacceptable.

"Unacceptable" to whom? Again, this is largely a matter of your own value judgment and not really a UK-specific issue. If you have travelled to many other countries and directly compared housing standards, you will be better informed. But data to back up these assertions would be helpful.

> People go home from their stressful jobs to noisy, cramped homes where they can't relax.

Do you have data showing the proportion of people in the UK living in "noisy" homes compared with other countries? How about a comparison of domestic floor space that shows the UK is an outlier (i.e. more cramped)?

> They don't get enough sleep because of the neighbors.

What does the data on average sleep duration in the UK compared to other countries look like? Is the UK an outlier? Is there any evidence that noisy neighbours are a primary contributing factor to low sleep duration among UK residents?

> They stress because the landlord yet again ignored their requests for repairs

Do you have any evidence that UK landlords are less communicative than elsewhere? This seems like a typical problem that people experience everywhere. Having lived in other countries, I certainly experienced it elsewhere. I have also had both good and bad landlords in the UK.

> Eat some comfort food at 10pm at night.

Is this a bigger problem in the UK than elsewhere?

> Stress about bills, stress about work stress about dealing with their kids school.

These are typical life stressors for people all around the world, not exclusive to the UK, nor necessarily any worse here unless you have data to back that up.

> This stress and mould are essentially a guaranteed way to illness.

To what extent are stress and mould, specifically in the UK, a greater contributor to leg injuries, and where is the data that proves that?

> This is my theory that I tested out personally by getting ill in a similar manner.

I see this fallacy all over reddit, it makes arguing anything literally pointless here

"One thing that can statistically lead to higher rates of A is B"

Your theory is probably correct about the manual labour thing. Though I would add that you can get through your career without an injury and still be disabled from manual labour. Overuse triggers musculoskeletal conditions unfortunately. Our bodies suck at handling too much physical activity but they also suck at handling a sedentary lifestyle. It's hard to keep a good balance.

Even I can't always tell if people are Hungarian by their accent. Our language is unique and so is our accent. People always think I'm German though, which is strange because the two languages and accents are very different.

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Pearsepicoetc@reddit

I did factory work as a teenager and knew a lot of Polish / Czech / Lithuanian etc people that worked there but never a single Hungarian which is why in assuming we don't have a big Hungarian population but again just my limited experience.

I doubt I'd have any chance of identifying a Hungarian accent (don't think I could distinguish between Polish and Lithuanian accents either despite working long hours with people from both those countries).

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RiverGlittering@reddit

I have used a walking stick since I was 12.

It sucked at first, I i quickly got used to it.

This is so true. My nan is nearly 90 and is pretty much housebound as she refused to use a wheelchair because she is proud and embarrassed af.

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tinkerballer@reddit

I work at conventions (like comic and anime cons) and have noticed a huge increase in the last few years in this demographic of under-20s using (quite often incorrectly tbh) walking sticks/crutches/canes. Often it’s even multiple kids within the same friend group.

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Ostrikaa@reddit

There’s a link between autism and hypermobility and fibromyalgia. There’s also a big contingent of anime fans with autism. This link is in my family but luckily I’m the only one who (occasionally) needs a walking aid, and the only one who hasn’t been to a comic con.

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Activity 2: Moving Around
Assesses your physical ability to stand and walk, considering the use of reasonable aids (e.g., walking sticks).

0 points: Can stand and move more than \(200\) metres.
4 points: Can stand and move more than \(50\) metres but no more than \(200\) metres.
8 points: Can stand and move more than \(20\) metres but no more than \(50\) metres.
10 points: Can stand and move more than \(1\) metre but no more than \(20\) metres.
12 points: Cannot stand and move more than \(1\) metre, or cannot stand at all.

You get around £30 extra a week if you get 8 points and around £80 for 12.

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letsshittalk@reddit

i dont understand this points system ive had pip for 20yrs since i was 15/16 and not once herd about it

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DingleDangleTA@reddit

You've not because PIP hasn't been around that long.

yello_u_dare@reddit

Take a walk around town on any given Saturday at peak hours and look around , really look, at people’s gaits. So many are flat footed, splay legged, rolling hipped, barely more than a plod or a hobble or a waddle.

I can be dog tired have done a 3hr 30-40 mile bike ride early then walked the 35 minutes into town and still get frustrated with all slow people waddling side to side up a narrow pavement or aisle (I’m autistic too also btw and try to get into town off peak when I need to go).

People don’t do proper walking any more. (Upright back, bit of a decent stride, looking forward). So many small out of town precincts and parades have died off or vanished there’s nothing in walking distance and as towns expand people are living further and further out of what is the slowly dying town centre anyway they have to bus/car

They amble round town or the shops concentrating on their phones (which they drove or got the bus to in the first place) and consider it exercise.

Combine that with high upf and convenience diet as well which probably causes so kind of internal pain and inflammation.

Britain has got like highest obesity in Europe.

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SeamasterCitizen@reddit

I work in a fairly big, very busy mall and I swear the only time most of that crowd ever walks is the hour or two they’re shopping on a Saturday. Absolutely crazy.

Where did you get your greek obesity rate from? I've seen a few different figures but the WHO has Greece on 25%. Cyprus, turkey and croatia also have some of the highest rates in Europe.

UK still higher than greece but not as much as you might think. It's the italians and French that have the low rates from what I've seen.

Our NHS can be great with immediate health emergencies. Things like needing a new hip or knee not so much.

My mother waited 5 years for one knee replacement and is now in year 3 of waiting for the other to be done and has been told it may take another 2 years.

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clutchingdryhands@reddit

This is heartbreaking to read. My mum’s recently been told she’s got to wait at least another 4 months for her (desperately needed) hip replacement, and somehow I’ve just got a feeling that she’ll be waiting much, much longer than that.

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StGuthlac2025@reddit

Its fucked what is likely the best years of her retirement.

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Rizzomorph666@reddit

Poor diet and sedentary lifestyle. UK is the USA of Europe in tht regard.

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Ok_Bumblebee_9873@reddit

How do you know they are holding a cane because of their leg and/or hip?

SignificantCricket@reddit

This comment really needs to be higher up, as a likely explanation for why British tourists may have a higher incidence of these problems than those from other countries.

Apprehensive_Day9040@reddit

Weird I'm currently in Corfu, I'm recovering from a hamstring tear so limping around myself. Other than this I'm fit and healthy. I've noticed a lot of people limping around to the point I'm conscious they will think I'm taking the piss out of them when I'm walking behind.

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Intelligent-Mud-1039@reddit

It's old football injuries. Everyone played 'at a really high level back in the day' so that explains it...

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CadianGrunt8675309@reddit

We’re fat and that’s bad for our legs.

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UnalomeJourneying@reddit

It was a huge culture shock to me when I moved to the UK, so many mobility scooters..

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Neither_Computer5331@reddit

I’ve noticed similar on British high streets too - we seem to have many more people limping or looking in pain than I used to see.

Personally I do think the NHS is partly to blame - the only other place I’ve seen this is in America.

Thats an unusual proportion of ground floor accomodation which is particularly helpful for people with issues.

Younger people do go on holiday abroad a decent amount, but based on the people I know in the under 35 age bracket, it's either party resorts, city breaks, multi stop backpacking type trips or 'active' holidays.

The all inclusive, stay on the hotel grounds the entire week etc type trip isn't really in vogue with younger people.

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himit@reddit

which is a shame because it's seriously the best cure for burnout. Zero thought, just chill.

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Forsaken-Yogurt-@reddit

There are few things I'd find less relaxing than an all inclusive pool resort holiday

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himit@reddit

I thought the same, but it's brilliant. Someone else deals with all the thinking and you basically don't need to make any decisions at all. Just chill, turn up for food, go chill again.

That doesn't sound delightful to me. I don't need it. I don't even want to ride a moped that sounds gritty dusty and grim.

Walking out your door and straight into the heart of the city is appealing to me precisely because it doesn't require mechanised transport.

And if something did require it, I'd really rather a train or a tram.

Again, can't think of many things i would find relaxing than an all inclusive resort.

You don't need to try to convince me they're amazing. I just literally do not want that.

With adults with young kids it is

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csgosometimez@reddit

The amount of mobility scooters I see in my UK town is pretty shocking. Definitely higher than anywhere else I've ever lived.

Apparently some random online stats seem to agree:

When you go abroad, people tend to stay in touristy areas. Touristy areas, at least those popular with foreign tourists, tend to be wealthy places, or have few 'local' people living there in the first place (people working there commute from other areas).

Tourists tend not to see the poor/deprived parts of the countries and cities they visit, at least in first world countries anyway. Someone coming from abroad to England probably wouldn't go to Blackpool, for example.

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It's Lime bike leg

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FoxesFan91@reddit

sounds like trouble's afoot

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DustierAndRustier@reddit

People with good mobility are less likely to book all-inclusive holidays because they want to walk around the city, and because they have more money on average.

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Nooms88@reddit

I suspect you work at a very low end all inclusive resort which costs about as much for a months stay as rent in the UK so you're getting the very very poorest and most infirm brits visiting you.

Your hotel might have promoted itself as specifically accessible to the less abled.

Its really worth remembering that £350 p/w (flights included) all inclusive deals are common to parts of Greece and even the very poorest can afford this with a bit of planning, if we gathered up a bunch of the poorest 10% of Greeks and put them into a British hotel with free booze, what impressions do you think we'd get of geeks?

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SuicidalLilBoi@reddit (OP)

I have no bad impression of the visitors here. I wa just curious. An average room in the hotel cost 100€ per night.

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Nooms88@reddit

OK then I'm well off.

I live fairly near an area in the U.K. that has considerable 'health in equalities' which is clear from the number of people with mobility issues - evident from the number of people on mobility scooters.

These are the people who go to all-inclusive holidays in Spain, Turkey, Greece and the like. They never leave the compound. The sun's there, the full English breakfast is there, the bar's there. That’s all they need and want.

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death_sucker@reddit

unrelated but when I lived in west ham I noticed a disproportionate amount of older black people use canes and stuff is that a real phenomenon or do I have some form of racist schizophrenia?

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chongas@reddit

I’ve noticed also. You don’t have to be in Greece to spot that. As a foreigner living in the uk it’s noticeable that there’s an unusually high number of people with scissor legs or walking with the toes inwards (intoeing I think is the name)

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jimmy011087@reddit

Ironically, I recently came back from a week all inclusive in Greece with a mystery ankle tendonitis! Must be something in the water us UK lot are allergic to.

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CustardsTart@reddit

Do you work at this hotel in Greece by any chance: https://www.achilleshillhotel.com

MyCatIsFluffyNotFat@reddit

Maybe its on Trip Advisor or somewhere that your hotel is good for accessibility..

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Jonny2Fingers666@reddit

Because we've been brought up to work till we are on the last of them.

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hhfugrr3@reddit

Have to admit that I've been noticing a lot more people, especially younger ones, with walking sticks. No idea why.

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Potential_Twist3640@reddit

It’s mostly a good thing - more awareness of how using mobility aids for chronic conditions and illness can improve energy levels and make things more manageable over a longer period of time. Previously, people with things like MS just struggled until they literally collapsed - so they might have looked well for longer, but ended up with worse outcomes and likely ended up being wheelchair users for longer as well.

Observation Bias most likely, there's some smart replies from the redditors which is around the type of facilities your hotel offers, and even bundle deals.

I was curious but England is actually not a stand out in data: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejp.1409

But there is a call out with Germany and UK (not England specifically):

Germany & UK: These nations frequently report higher baseline rates of lower limb joint problems, with up to 54% of survey respondents in Germany reporting some form of foot or leg discomfort and a high prevalence of osteoarthritis.

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APiousCultist@reddit

Seems like something that would strongly correlate with the amount of walking/moderate exercise that people do daily. Though in what direction I don't know.

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ken-doh@reddit

The UK has a chronic mobility problem. We do not stretch, we do not gym, we sit at desks.

Ultimately, this is a recipe for disaster. I am 46 and have a herniated disc. Basically because I had no core strength. I also cycled, so my leg muscles were all out of kilter. It has taken me 3 years to be able to lead a somewhat normal life, I need to hit the gym twice a week, or it starts giving jip.

Hip mobility is not optional, get on insta and start learning the stretches.

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Potential_Twist3640@reddit

Not sure what part of Greece you’re in, but some Greek islands are particularly known for their accessible hotels and resorts. I’m young (well, young-ish) and use crutches to walk due to a spinal cord injury but am otherwise active and healthy and travel a lot.

I sometimes go to less accessible/more adventuresome places, but then I like to alternate those trips with something easier. I was looking into a resort in Crete that has a wheelchair accessible ramp into their pool because it would be so much easier for me to get in/out of - I ended up going somewhere else in the end, but I was specifically looking at Crete because it had been recommended as an accessible place to visit.

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Over-Mistake-8674@reddit

Harzarding a guess that most of the UK population is vitamin d deficient which contributes signficantly to muscoskeletal problems. I also think long NHS waits mean people tend to worsen in their health before receiving occupational therapy treatment and walking sticks are given as an interim measure. Surprisingly gout now has the highest prevalence in North East England and Wales yet the lowest in Scotland. The rate of gout has soared in recent years probably driven by deprivation and obesity.

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Almost certainly some agent that books hotel has labelled yours on a spreadsheet somewhere as "disability friendly" and it pops up when bookers search that on some system now

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MrsTheBo@reddit

I’m British, mid 40s, and walk with a stick because I have Multiple Sclerosis.

When booking a hotel, I will look at lifts, hotel layout, and how close restaurants and shops are. I also check hotels aren’t at the top of a big hill or something like that, plus things like whether there are walk-in showers (rather than climbing into a bath).

I work extremely hard daily, and it never gets better as I get older. In fact all manual jobs since I was 16.

I finally have an appointment to get a temporary fix in 2 weeks time, but I cant see it working long at all. So I expect to be operated on to fix my back and sciatica permanently.

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Kalorna@reddit

My husband has mobility problems and we look for hotels and places to visit that have been rated for accessibility by other guests. Could very well be something similar!

A lot of the big booking agents have that information on their websites and there are a few community driven ones too where people who visit leave reviews.

I stayed at a resort in Madeira last year which catered to a mostly British clientele and I swear I was the youngest person staying in the resort by at least 40 years, and I was 30 at the time.

Walking around the main resort area on the island I hardly saw any Brits under the age of 70 either. Not really sure why.

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LitmusVest@reddit

Madeira's known as an oldie resort here. I think it's something to do with it being interesting horticulturally and the whole island having about 2 small beaches.

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I do a lot of walking but I wake up each morning with my leg feeling like it’s snapped in half. It goes away once I’m up, usually, but it scares me.

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ZestyMonstera@reddit

It is an underfunded and criminally mismanaged healthcare system.

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Dolphin_Spotter@reddit

Have you ever been on a cruise ship? They are very popular with people of limited mobility.

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chef_26@reddit

There will be a degree of confirmation bias, once you’ve noticed it you’ll pay more attention to it without aiming to. No judgement, it’s how human brains work.

There will be a degree influenced by the nature of establishment you work in and a degree of Greece being safe to visit vs other areas (more established and able to handle difficulties such as these).

Any-Seaworthiness531@reddit

Another day, another very peculiar inaccurate post

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Search-Lite@reddit

There is a school of thought in the UK that when you go for a walk … you take walking poles. I live in the countryside and people like this are everywhere. I never see anyone like this when I go to the shops.

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No_Ease7557@reddit

It's because it said on Facebook the DWP are sending claims assessors abroad to spy on them, so the crutches (AKA Dole Poles) have got to come with them.

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Bet they all have blue hair and 20 self diagnosed tisms

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Motor-Command-2680@reddit

Obesity can cause hip & knee problems there is also diabetes that can cause various problems with the legs & feet.

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Ant138@reddit

Lack of exercise in general.

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vrrtvrrt@reddit

We have a very poor health system, which is often not very interested in looking at, or responding to issues.

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RiftWarPug@reddit

Without more information we can only speculate. A reasonable subset of people may be disabled even if in their teens or 20s. Think conditions like Rheumatoid Arthritis or Psoriatic Arthritis or many others. Many find warmer climates helpful for that.

Some of them need crutches or walking sticks to help support them due to various health related issues. Others need the crutches or walking sticks to support their benefit claims for various 'health related issues'.

There has been a noticeable uptick in the number of people using them in the last few years especially in the younger generations. Pop into town during the working day and you will see a fair few wandering around with them looking surprisingly spry.

SpecialistDaikon4663@reddit

Greece isn’t really that cheap anymore

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throwawayinfinitygem@reddit

Hopefully it means Greece is a destination for people who want to take it easy.

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SpectreSingh89@reddit

Could be cold weather or even, most likely, pains from physical labour. Lots of jobs are physical demand. Government could see wha was happening now majority of work places provides manual training especially to new starters, like in manufacturing and warehouse the correct way and position to lift heavy weights, use pump truck.

Slow-Comb-2980@reddit

Because we're thick

As some have suggested, if you work in a resort type hotel then people with worse mobility may like going there. Alternatively though if it's a place where guests travel out for the day it could be that they're wearing a brace or similar due to minor injuries from walking far more than normal when on holiday? I'm a fit young person and still knackered my knee on holiday due to a huge amount of walking about. Reminds me of a funny video showing the huge amount of adults walking around Disney world with knee braces on.

If you see mainly brits then how do you know it's just that nationality having this issue? If I'm reading it right, it sounds like you don't see large amounts of other nationalities to compare.

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PurplePlodder1945@reddit

A good friend of mine (62) here in Wales has to walk with a stick now because she had some sort of serious bulging disk issue in her back and had an op. She’s gone from being fairly active - worked full time in a shop - to being on disability because she literally only hobbles these days. Shes more likely to go to Benidorm though 😂

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Mysterious-Fortune-6@reddit

Is this an inexpensive hotel and / or one pitched at an older demographic?

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SymbolicBat@reddit

Tbh, I’m in Corfu at the minute. Just come back from an excursion, with multiple people with mobility issues. Wouldn’t normally be a problem if it wasn’t for the fact it had a hell of a lot of walking, stair climbing etc.

You are only seeing a catchment of UK citizens but I get the outlook as from what I’ve seen, elderly locals are much more mobile. However, it’s all down lifestyle I guess.

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FiendyFiend@reddit

I had a bad fall off a horse about seven years ago and smashed my hip up. I know a few other horse riders with similar problems and my future father in law did a lot of damage to himself in his 20’s when he came off a motorbike.

MissyElliottWorker@reddit

Yeah I know. It was a joke, not a real medical observation.

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ultimateberk@reddit

Gotta get their pip and work free lifestyle with all inclusive holidays every year somehow

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Empty_Bell_1942@reddit

Perhaps due to our weather more of us are hit by lightning...Grease Lightning.

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LichenTheMood@reddit

If they go to Rome they can’t make it up the steps to the hotel

People with mobility issues are likely to go somewhere where that won't be an issue and it sounds like that's where you work.

Unlikely people with mobility issues are going to predominantly walking towns, mountains etc, so the most accessible/inclusive that a place is, the more likely you will get people who need it.

Thankfully in my house we’re all active and healthy, but I’m fortunate to live with relative comfort in a nice town by the sea with an abundance of local produce and time to cook it, and a similar abundance of active ways to enjoyably pass time.

Many aren’t so fortunate

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captainfishpie@reddit

I had necrotising facsitis in 2023 and lost the majority of my left thigh muscle, tissue and nerves so I struggle sometimes.

am I welcome at your hotel as a UK stereotype?

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