Should I sell my rtx4060 8gb for the 5060 8gb?
Posted by xRyozuo@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 19 comments
Just need a reality check here.
I was looking at random electronic prices in a trusted store. I saw they had for sale an Rtx 4060 for 589 or something wild like that. It’s wild because I bought the same card from the same online store a few years ago for 350 euros. This same store sells the rtx5060 8gb for 312 euros. I don’t understand. Are 5060s known to have issues? How can an older card be more expensive??
I’m seeing online second hand people are selling the 4060 for around 300 euros. For 12 euros, I honestly wouldn’t mind a tiny upgrade, as I wanted to play around with local llm’s (which I know 8gb is little for, but I was looking at the smaller quantised llama models) and without knowing much about the tech, the assumption is bigger number means better?
But I don’t understand why the 5060 is “worth” less. What’s wrong with it???
Thanks in advance for any info
Flimsy_Complaint490@reddit
the 5060 is genuinely al ot more powerful than the 4060 in raw compute. If you did gaming and arent vram limited (you probably arent today, but will in 1-2 years), you should see FPS.
Now, for your use case of Ai, im afraid its unlikely to make much of a difference because for AI inference,VRAM is king. You might see a 20% perf gain in token, but if we're discussing 40 tokens to 50, it's not much of an upgrade, is it ?
Regardless, if you still desire to upgrade, at least consider a 16 GB 5060 TI.
As pricing - I believe 4000 series cards are no longer in production, and as they become rarer, prices get jacked up for some reason instead of cut to get rid of the warehousing. You see this in cases in CPU's as well - random cases no longer made can be bought unpacked for 4x MSRP somewhere.
xRyozuo@reddit (OP)
Fair point, so not worth it from the perspective of playing around with local AI since it’d be a small increment. I’m more interested in playing around with the set ups and how it works before spending on more expensive gear, the 4060 was worth it because I came from a 2015 card before it and I play video games, though less and less demanding ones and more indie ones lately.
Ok you convinced me not worth it since I already barely use the ceiling of my current card and it wouldn’t be a meaningful upgrade for local AI. If I end up enjoying setting up a local llm and feel constrained, I’ll look into the card you mentioned.
Thanks!
Flimsy_Complaint490@reddit
If you want to evaluate and think can do it in 1-2 days, rent a GPU on AWS or some other cloud provider and play around with it there, then google LLM benchmarks for all the cards you could conceivably buy and see whats the price point of your pain tolerance for the model you found good enough.
Should set you off 100 bucks or so ( 25 USD a day or so on the mid tier offerings on AWS)
xRyozuo@reddit (OP)
That’s honestly a great idea. I hadn’t even considered cloud providers.
MichiganRedWing@reddit
Almost all stores always raise the prices of old, outdated cards. I don't know why.
Fact is, you probably aren't going to get anywhere near 300 for your 4060, so in the end it'll cost you around 100 for the upgrade, which is certainly not worth it.
xRyozuo@reddit (OP)
I don’t plan on buying the new card until the other one is sold, and I have a price tracker set to email me if the 5060 goes above 315 at which point I wouldn’t be interested and cancel the post of the 4060. I live in a big city so finding buyers doesn’t take too long nor is it complicated to meet.
I’m mainly interested in knowing if there is anything wrong with the 5060 that would warrant a lower price like manufacturing issues or if 15 euros is not worth this upgrade, seeing how prices are going to increase.
I did a similar thing when I swapped to the 4060, though a bigger jump
AgreeableWash1667@reddit
I have a feeling that you won't get a big performance jump from 4060 to 5060 unless you go something like 5060 Ti at least, or 5070. This also depends on your CPU too of course, if it causes a bottleneck, then 5070 could be pointless.
I'm not an expert, just my personal opinion.
jonasrm_21@reddit
that 4060 might have triple fans, overclocked random shit added to it just make a fancy pricing. it's nothing special. 5060 got a lot of heat for having 8 gb vram, a lot of people avoided it at first, and constant supply means it's closer to msrp. FOR 12 EUROS more if you can buy it get it
MichiganRedWing@reddit
There's zero chance OP is getting 300 for a used 4060.
xRyozuo@reddit (OP)
Obviously this was the big if. In my local marketplace apps the price range is 295-305, with a suspicious only showing a stock box image of the 4060 at 209.
But either way someone else made convincing arguments that it’s not worth it for my specific goals
TabScarlet@reddit
He can prob get like a 3080 for around 300 tho
AttorneyPotential@reddit
Not even worth wasting your time
dem_titties_too_big@reddit
Sell your 4060 for 300 and look for used 30 series or AMD equivalent. For what it's worth, yes 12€ for a upgrade is also an option, if you manage to sell your gpu for that money.
ExactlyNuru@reddit
Nah don't do a 1 gen leap from like to like wait for 6060 or if you can aim for a 6070 assuming it will follow traditional
dem_titties_too_big@reddit
For 12€ the "generational leap" is well worth it.
CanisMajoris85@reddit
1) taxes
2) fees
3) time dealing with selling the 4060
if you sell a 4060 for 300 euros it could be more like 260 after fees or just what it actually sells for (listed price means shit), and unless the 5060 is 312 after tax, it could easily be like 330-340 I suppose. So could be more like 80-90 to upgrade and your time.
BradyBum@reddit
Its just old stock thats sitting there because its overpriced. Why is it priced so high? Because its overpriced.
xRyozuo@reddit (OP)
I agree it’s over priced, but do you think it’s going to stop being overpriced in the next 5 years?
Puiucs@reddit
the 5060 is about 20% faster, around the level of a 4060ti. it's just not worth the hassle for such a small bump in performance. (you will be very disappointed)
don't look at store prices, look at the second hand market and at what prices these cards actually move.
"How can an older card be more expensive??" - because there is no real stock for older cards. the fewer on the market, the higher the prices.