How to over come the 12PM - 1PM slump as you get older?
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I've been working from home for over 5 years now. Around 12PM - 1PM I get so tired I feel like death. I take a nap and wind up waking up around 3PM and lose lots of productivity in my day. So I usually have to work a bit later than I would like. Has anyone over come this with lifestyle changes?
MonochromeDinosaur@reddit
Food and coffee
spla58@reddit (OP)
What kind of exercise do you recommend?
ecnahc515@reddit
Climbing/bouldering is fun. Also a mind challenge figuring out how to do a route which I've found to be a big part why I enjoy climbing.
stellar_opossum@reddit
Keep in mind you don't have to do it 5 days a week (even though it would be dope)
anand_rishabh@reddit
I recommend doing both aerobics and strength training. For strength training, can't go wrong with the basics of deadlift, bench press, and squats. For aerobics, cycle, treadmill or stair stepper are all great options. Try them all and see what you like best
VideoRare6399@reddit
I personally recommend the 531 BBB program and be strict about sub-optimal training so you’re always doing weights you can handle AND feel good during the workouts / weeks.
That with running 1-2 miles every other day or something has been phenomenal for me.
At first though (like for first month or two) just do main lift + 5x10 and then leave. Gym sessions should be like 30 mins at first, ez.
MonochromeDinosaur@reddit
I run/bike 3 days a week and lift/calisthenics 3 days. If you’re a beginner just start slow and build up. C25k and some squats, push up,and pull ups.
WJMazepas@reddit
Literally any exercise will help. Can be just waling in a treadmill, going to the gym, any sports. They all help
Majestic_Plankton921@reddit
Good luck getting 8 hours with a baby a home. More like 5 hours of broken sleep.
onFilm@reddit
I fucking hit the gym til my muscles give out. Daily. Do it up.
Sudden_Pie5641@reddit
All of the advices here are good but the combination of them are unique for each person. Some need more sleep, different meal schedule/contents. Based on your reply I would have started with introducing weight trainings. They force you to re-adjust your meals and sleep, so normally your body finds the right schedules and food for it. But you will have to be ready that it’s a trial and error process. At different stages of my life I had different combinations of activities and my schedules were different, so I always have to re-discover them for myself. Good luck.
Alpheus2@reddit
Plan a short nap at 11:30.
MoreLikeGaewyn@reddit
eat half your lunch, then the other half 2 hours later
rkeet@reddit
Put your lights brighter after lunch. An insurance company near here does that to help combat the post-lunch dip. Puts them 20% brighter.
0xSEGFAULT@reddit
What’s your exercise routine look like?
spla58@reddit (OP)
Usually try to wake up around sunrise and go biking or walking in the park. Throughout the day I'll try and take walks and stretch and sunbath, but it does not always help.
Buttleston@reddit
Throughout the day you're taking naps, walks, sunbathing? Do you... work?
Creative_Badger6027@reddit
You have delayed fatigue response. Electroyltes, sugar and do not over exert on morning exercise or body drops adrenaline after a couple of hours leaving you exhausted.
Kitzq@reddit
Since this post is about "as you get older" you need to do strength training as well. You can't just do cardio. After the age of 30 you lose ~1% muscle mass per year.
Go to the gym at least once a week, ideally 3x a week, for an hour for just strength training.
anand_rishabh@reddit
With biking, don't have it be only aerobic. Have some days in the week where you're cycling at high resistance to really train your leg strength. But it does seem like you're already active. How much sleep are you getting every night?
Particular_Base3390@reddit
Lol, have you considered just sleeping more?
cstst@reddit
Get in the gym
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HolyPommeDeTerre@reddit
I napped for 20 minutes every noon after eating. Sleeping too much makes you sleepy. But short sleep cycle recharges a bit of energy.
Now, I did that because I was sleeping from 3am to 7.30am. so I was lacking sleep.
Nowadays, I do my 8 hours a night, I rarely need a nap.
Euphoric-Meal@reddit
I think switching to decaf coffee helped me.
bdanmo@reddit
Do a sleep study make sure you don’t have sleep apnea
GoTheFuckToBed@reddit
check iron and ferritin levels. Try supplements
Rulmeq@reddit
Go for a walk at lunch instead, it helps, although if you need sleep, not sure there's much you can do to avoid it.
GoTheFuckToBed@reddit
a walk before lunch also works
siliconsmiley@reddit
Diet and exercise. Is there a big lunch involved? Is there no lunch involved? Is there breakfast involved?
upsidedownshaggy@reddit
+1 for walks at lunch. Even when I worked in office at my first gig I'd go for walks on my lunches. Even easier now when I don't have to have my ass in a chair right at 1pm on the dot anymore.
Worldly-Emphasis5530@reddit
I had the same issue when I was sleeping during my lunch so I started going for walks and then runs. I would also say check your vitamin d OP.
XL_Chill@reddit
This is it. I don't work well if I don't get out midday for fresh air. Clears the mind, lets you think beyond the immediate and restructure your thoughts and work.
stellar_opossum@reddit
A few points besides normal stuff already mentioned (sleep, exercise etc).
Imoa@reddit
Sleep hygiene. Diet. Exercise. Monitor caffeine intake.
OliveYuna@reddit
this fixed it for me. reducing my anxiety (through therapy) and improving my sleep. I used to get the afternoon crash all the time, but thanks to my therapist and a lot of lifestyle changes my energy level in the afternoon is much better.
Try not to eat a lot of refined carbs as a lunch. I stick to a pretty protein/fat rich lunch and a fruit as a snack.
Imoa@reddit
A lot of people, especially in their late 20s and early 30s, have awful sleep habits. Not sleeping enough, caffeine within 6 hours of bed, screens / blue light within an hour of bed. Even with 6-8 hours of sleep, it's entirely possible to be getting poor quality sleep. Poor quality sleep and diet are problems on their own but can also contribute to hormonal imbalances which create their own problems. It's a cascade.
Most people just don't track or care about it. Then it catches up with you.
moremattymattmatt@reddit
Are you getting enough sleep at night? If you are sleeping for 2 or 3 hours at lunch time, it doesn’t sound like it. I like a lunch time nap as well but 20 minutes is usually enough.
Mechakoopa@reddit
I used to doze off at my desk pretty much every afternoon until I got a sleep study done, turns out having an AHI score (how many times you stop breathing per hour) of 120+ is not great for your quality of sleep. My CPAP machine is basically a necessity for work productivity now.
liquidpele@reddit
Not just sleep, but good sleep... if you're not sleeping well after like 40 then even with 10 hours you only feel like you got 5.
Lethandralis@reddit
Light, low carb lunch. Then take a short walk. Then a cup of coffee. This routine helped me quite a bit.
EchidnaWeird7311@reddit
20 minutes snooze... Set a timer, doesn't matter if you don't sleep, just lie down, close your eyes and try not to think.
Feels real dumb sometimes, " why am I lying here if I'm not going to sleep", but you'll feel refreshed afterwards
Ibuprofen-Headgear@reddit
“Try not to think” really asking for the impossible here lol
Inatimate@reddit
How old are you? Get your hormones checked.
spla58@reddit (OP)
35 so not old really.
writesCommentsHigh@reddit
Smaller lunches? Are you having a big lunch?
You already wake up super early compared to me. Sunrise is 6 am? So you’ve already done a bunch of stuff by noon and have a meal and feel that itis?
More caffeine? What’s wrong with a nap? Take a nap and work later if that works for you. If you have kids that makes things harder and all I’ve seen is people just push through
spla58@reddit (OP)
After the nap I feel really bad for a few hours lol. I do eat breakfast but don't feel like my lunch is that big usually.
HugeRichard11@reddit
Depends on if the lunch is heavy more so I feel or high sugar. Honestly sounds like sleep apnea though hard to say as pretty much everyone says they’re tired.
I’m pretty much the exact same way but more so because I don’t eat breakfast and eat more of a decent size lunch. But also sleep apnea is pretty common these days.
writesCommentsHigh@reddit
Have you added more caffeine to the stack?
Have you checked with a doctor?
Sleep apnea can make sleeping worse. Also sleeping after eating is terrible for the oesophagus?
Perhaps you’re eating something your stomach has trouble processing?
Perhaps you didn’t get good enough sleep the last night ?
spla58@reddit (OP)
Caffeine makes me really sick so I had to give it up. I've been looking at diet more recently because lots of stuff makes me sick. My last blood test was good so maybe I'll schedule another one. And my sleep has always been broken, have not found a solution for that lol.
writesCommentsHigh@reddit
I mean off the top reminds me of certain someone.
Sounds like you may be food sensitive. Elimination diet sucks but it’s the only true way to figure out what’s wrong.
The sleeplessness and being a dev just makes me guess you have adhd. Obvi I am pulling this out of my ass based on assumptions, the sleep issue could be a plethora of issues.
When you say caffeine makes you really sick do you mean after a giant coffee? Espresso shot? Green tea?
spla58@reddit (OP)
Like 1/3 of a cup of regular black coffee will give me diarrhea and make me feel like I was poisoned.
writesCommentsHigh@reddit
And what about other caffeine sources? I cannot drink drift coffee at all. It also makes my stomach upset. You could potentially be very sensitive to caffeine or just the black coffee as it’s a diuretic and it will make you poop.
Espresso maybe green tea or white tea there are plenty of ways to get smaller doses of caffeine or other alternatives you could try
VladWard@reddit
OP, I just went through this last year at the same age: Talk to your doctor. It turned out I had extreme sleep apnea, like 3x as bad as the diagnostic criteria for severe sleep apnea. B12 and D vitamin deficiencies can contribute as well. I sleep with a CPAP and take a B-Complex supplement every morning now and haven't needed a nap at work in months.
Akusasik@reddit
Seriously. By 40, I've been feeling "low-energy" for a few years - gettig tired easily, taking naps in the afternoon. I was blaming it on having little kids, but then had my hormones checked and discovered that my thyroid wasn't working well.
Wish I did that test sooner.
spla58@reddit (OP)
What was cause? Do you think the laptop could be causing thyroid issues?
Bubbly-Watch6214@reddit
I don’t want to worry you because this is likely nothing, but I started feeling like that in my mid thirties, ignored it and had a heart attack when I was 39. Multiple conditions stacked up for me and lead to it so again, this likely does not apply to you and it’s my own shit coming out. But, I could have caught and stopped several of the conditions early, never had a heart attack and could have avoided this whole thing.
This is just one perspective, I’m not a doctor, have no medical training and am almost certainly wrong. But I’d encourage you to get checked out if you possibly can.
Worst case scenario, you get a clean bill of health and wasted time at the doctor. Getting a clean bill of health is also the best case scenario.
I wish you luck.
ItSeemedSoEasy@reddit
Another cause of this can be sleep apnoea.
F1B3R0PT1C@reddit
Get bloodwork and sleep tests. Something’s not right, that isn’t normal. You need a doctor to help you.
eeiaao@reddit
Only right answer
Imaginary_Crab2034@reddit
Get a giant water bottle and chug water. You're most likely dehydrated
fib125@reddit
Agreed drinking more water than you think you need has a huge effect on energy level. But I would say might* be hydrated.
iamkiko@reddit
If you eat breakfast try and ensure it’s mainly protein, with minimal carbs
Intermittent fasting helps me too
I had to regulate my insulin levels to avoid the slump
imwearingyourpants@reddit
6mg Creatine in the morning
Xanchush@reddit
Go take a nap, eat lunch, take a walk around the block.
Keeps_Trying@reddit
I'm late 50s and get it.
I go for a walk around 9 and then eat breakfast around 1130 ish. That usually keeps me going until around 3 when I try to take a call while walking outside again. When I get back I get another coffee to finish the day.
For me, it's the complete change of scenery. Sitting in one room all day is too much.
I excersize 2-3 times a week and do have a motorized desk so I can stand sometimes.
Sleep is definitely key, as are sleep trackers. I should not have needed an Fitbit to tell me I'm staying up too late reading in bed, but here we are....
Thebearguy30@reddit
Intermittent fasting really helped me. I don’t eat during the work day, and if I do, I do not have any carbs, maybe like 4-6 eggs. If I plan to workout (usually after work) I’ll have a little fruit right before I workout for an energy boost. Anytime I eat during the workday it almost always kills all my productivity
secondgamedev@reddit
You should do a physical check up with your doctor for sudden changes in life like extreme fatigue. The sooner the better.
engineered_academic@reddit
I downloaded a program that helps track my sleep and awake cycles. There is a normal slump to your circadian rhythm in the afternoons.
patient-palanquin@reddit
Maybe you're having too many carbs for lunch? I've noticed I'm much sleepier after a lot of carbs.
allknowinguser@reddit
I would not recommend but that’s around the time for my second monster of the day.
StoneAgainstTheSea@reddit
Proper sleep at night. Go to bed and wake up the same time every day. Exercise in the morning. Don't eat a heavy lunch. Avoid alcohol. Have something you look forward to after work.
occultv0lt@reddit
I started skipping breakfast and lunch, just eat a big dinner. It works for me. I also try to push meetings and other bs to the evenings when possible so I can really work and focus in the AM.
opideron@reddit
This sounds to me like a blood glucose crash, which hit me especially hard back in the day when "we'd all go out to eat" and have a larger lunch than usual. Typically, such a lunch incorporates a lot of carbs: buns, chips, fries, rice, and more (even that yummy fresh-baked bread). Highly processed carbs - anything containing things like "modified food starch" - tend to hit harder, as they're essentially sugars all chained together that become unbound the moment they start digesting and hit the bloodstream right away.
The problem is typically addressed by changing to some version of a low carb diet, which includes things like keto and carnivore diets, though those are more specialized. You don't have to entirely eliminate carbs, because not only is that impossible, your liver will generate them if your carb intake is very low. The point is to be mindful of what you are eating and especially avoid processed carbs, which isn't just donuts and cakes, but pretty much any snack you can get out of a vending machine or otherwise comes in a wrapper. Even whole wheat bread can cause a sugar spike/crash if you consume too much.
I've found that the couple of slices of bread on a sandwich typically don't cause the crash if there's no other carbs in a meal, but these days I even avoid that. I'll instead make a bacon double cheeseburger with no bun, for example. It sounds unhealthy, but except saturated fats, it's a very nutritious meal with loads of B vitamins and vital proteins that health nuts pay big bucks to consume as a powder in a smoothie. And there's evidence to indicate that saturated fats aren't as bad as they were portrayed under the old 1990s food pyramid.
Scottz0rz@reddit
Are you getting enough sleep? At least 7-8 hours every night.
If you are not, you should sleep.
If you are, have you gotten tested for sleep apnea? Are you perhaps overweight?
When I had been at a stressful job for quite some time, my weight started creeping up slowly because I like comfort food and DoorDashed stuff when I had back-to-back-to-back-to-back meetings, rather than actually eating a proper healthy meal.
Getting laid off from that shithole was great because I looked in the mirror a few weeks before and realize how fat I'd gotten, so I started taking my health seriously and used that time to reset my habits.
I'm older now and realized how not normal it was to deal with that stupid bullshit and I was killing myself slowly by overcommitting to stressful work and losing focus on my health.
GrandaddyIsWorking@reddit
What is your diet? Could be crashing from gluten intolerance or something like that. I had a coworker with that issue. Another just ate like shit so would crash from poor quality McDonalds or w/e else
_itshabib@reddit
Go to a workout class
Prof-Bit-Wrangler@reddit
15-25 minute nap
mrak5@reddit
You sleep for 3 hours every afternoon? You need to talk to a doctor.
webbed_feets@reddit
What are people doing recommending eating a smaller lunch or exercising? OP isn’t asking how to ditch their afternoon coffee. This is a medical problem. Accidentally sleeping for multiple hours every day is a textbook symptom of sleep apnea or narcolepsy.
BillyBobJangles@reddit
Having a midday crash like that could be a blood sugar issue.
Try this.
Dont wake up early to exercise.
Have breakfast.
Have a snack like apple slices and peanut butter mid morning.
Do resistance training of some sort during lunch time.
Have a nice recovery meal after with good nutrients.
Avoid candy and high sugar things for a few weeks.
codewario@reddit
Holy shit this feels like me. I think I will definitely try walking at lunchtime like some others have been suggesting.
LosMosquitos@reddit
Other than the suggestions given by other people, you might want to take a lot at "circadian rhythm". Most people have a drop in productivity during lunch time, and recover later on, with the peak in the morning.
J1ng0@reddit
Water, bright light, a walk—and better rest overnight in general will help
I had this same crash for years (started around that age too). Circadian rhythm was pretty messed up.
Biggest factor for helping me was avoiding salt + carbs in general. Plus not letting myself nap or if I did, maximum 20 minutes. Improving diet helped my overnight sleep, as did forcing myself to get to bed much earlier (by 10pm so I can naturally wake up by 6:30-7:00 with the sun).
ItsACyborgThing@reddit
Yes. In my case, I had sleep apnea which was causing my sleep quality to tank and I never felt rested.
Other ideas: Limit naps to under 20 minutes and eat smaller lunches consisting of protein, veggies, and limited carbs to avoid insulin spikes. Take short breaks throughout the day - you wouldn't jog for 4 hours straight, nor should you engage with the computer for 4 hours straight.
raccoonlag@reddit
I’m struggling with the same thing and just this week found out I have iron and some other vitamins deficiencies (need to do some more blood tests) that have direct effect on mental and physical functions… you might want to take a look on that, I was surprised since I think I eat healthy.
HQxMnbS@reddit
napping like my 1 year old in the middle of the workday lol. stay at that job as long as you can
Particular_Base3390@reddit
Ah, when do you wake up and start work?
spla58@reddit (OP)
I'm usually in bed around 10 - 11 and wake up 6 - 8. For breakfast usually some kind of meat, eggs, and/or cheese. For lunch it varies but usually some meat, vegetables, and carbs. I usually feel good until 12 comes along.
Particular_Base3390@reddit
If you're getting 7-8 hours of sleep on avg and still getting tired at 12pm go see a dr, and also get your eyesight checked.
EyesOfAzula@reddit
Might be a good idea to talk with the dietitian and check what exactly you're eating for breakfast and lunch. That could be blood sugar spike and crash.
Dany0@reddit
There's a thing taught to math majors that's something like you cannot do more than 4hours of math a day. It's impossible for the body
You can train to last longer, but the end result is that the extension is done only by relying on memory/wisdom not true novel congitive work
FluffySmiles@reddit
I lved this for decades. For me, it was hyper-productive. So what if I work late, I had a lovely nap in the afternoon and woke up roaring to go. This is a lifestyle adjustment that irepresents the height of luxury. I'll bet you donm't actually "lose productivity", not really. It just feels that way because you've been conditioned to conform to an unnatural work schedule, dictated by the needs of the corporate machine.
NickW1343@reddit
Eat breakfast and skip lunch, go for walks, do cardio after work, get 8 hours of sleep, and think about cutting caffeine after work so it works better during the afternoon.
Time_IsRelative@reddit
I'm in the same boat.
I'm diabetic, and assumed it was carbs after lunch making me sleepy, but I checked my glucose levels and that wasn't it.
I got my hormone levels tested. They're normal.
It happens even if I sleep well the night before.
The only caffeine I get most days is from a single cup of coffee in the morning.
Here are the things that seem to work best for me:
- I roll with it and take a nap. As others mentioned, it helps to set an alarm. 20-30 minutes really does seem to be enough, even though I feel like I can barely keep my eyes open when it starts. Anything longer than an hour makes it hard for me to sleep through the night that evening.
- Taking a walk or other physical activity does seem to shake me out of it... usually.
- Focusing on a new task makes the tiredness go away... if I can start it before I get too tired. I think this one is ADHD-related. If I can hyper-fixate on a new task the tiredness goes away very quickly and doesn't come back.
Lame_Johnny@reddit
How's your sleep? Try eliminating caffeine or reducing to one cup a day, go to bed earlier
PracticalPast1038@reddit
How old are you?
beefz0r@reddit
Try limiting your nap to 15 minutes first
Wooden_Step_5691@reddit
I had this problem; now I skip lunch and no problem.
spla58@reddit (OP)
Do you eat a big breakfast?
SuperProcedure6562@reddit
How old are you btw and when did this start to get noticeable?
HappyZombies@reddit
have a lighter lunch, reduce carbs you’re probablt getting a food coma lol
Sure-Opportunity6247@reddit
Go for a walk and don’t hesitate to take a nap (but careful: not longer than 30 Minutes!)
actionerror@reddit
When’s the last time you had a yearly checkup with a doctor with a full metabolic panel blood test?
fijasko_ultimate@reddit
i had a nap today around noon, but it was 35min. i didnt plan it
in my case, 15-20min is perfect to reset. and if i add short walk after it, even better
RecaptchaNotWorking@reddit
Walk. Or Cardio/Resistance/Strength training.
Smooth_Valuable486@reddit
Do 20-30 air squats 15 minutes after eating lunch. There is research showing that it will lower your blood sugar the equivalent of taking a long walk.
Embrace the nap. Its common in many cultures around the world to take a siesta as an alternative to caffeine, which merely tricks your brain into feeling like it is less fatigued than it really is.
"Nature has not intended mankind to work from eight in the morning until midnight without that refreshment of blessed oblivion which, even if it only lasts twenty minutes, is sufficient to renew all the vital forces." — Winston Churchill
tsereg@reddit
I believe that slop to be a sign of metabolic syndrome, i.e. diabetes 2 as a final outcome down the line.
GlobalCurry@reddit
I used to live near a park and I'd go walk around it for 30-45 minutes around 1pm.
Erik_Kalkoken@reddit
Naps are perfect to recharge, but only if you limit them to max 30 mins. Longer naps can make feel more tired, because the body goes into goes into deeper sleep and needs longer to get back to normal.
eloel-@reddit
I just take a nap or otherwise take a break. It's easy to skip your lunch break when you are wfh and don't have a structured day
th3_pund1t@reddit
You're either much older than I am, in which case, you might be ready to retire.
Or, you're suffering from problems you should talk to your doctor about.
farzad_meow@reddit
workout, cleaner diet, visit your doctor for blood work/ diabetes
GomerDoom@reddit
Personally, I feel like one of the huge benefits of working from home should be shaping your work cycle to match your natural productivity cycle. I’m kind of the same way, crash a bit in the early afternoon and struggle to get back into it, so I plan the harder stuff in the morning, and try to queue easier stuff to close out the day.
If working later is something you really want to avoid, maybe see if you can get some of that time back by starting earlier?
No_Shine1476@reddit
Go to bed earlier, eat lower carb meals
throwaway_0x90@reddit
This is pretty much always solved by diet+exercise+improved sleeping habits.... unless you have a medical diagnosible condition.
Triabolical_@reddit
What are you eating for lunch and when?
Wonderful-Citron-678@reddit
That doesn’t sound normal. What are you having for lunch?
LostTheBall@reddit
What time do you wake up and what time do you go to bed?
I generally eat dinner early now (eat between 5:30-6:30pm), which has shaken up a slump I was in of working late, eating late whilst probably also being lower productivity, more time to do stuff in the evenings too