Ontario man dies of MAID after being assessed outside Tim Hortons

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YellowOnline@reddit

The abbreviation MAID is not well-known outside of Canada. It stands for "medical assistance in dying". I didn't know what it meant, and it made for a very confusing read.

I can't judge on Canadian procedures - they seem very similar to the ones in Belgium - but at elast their control mechanism seems to work well.

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OccasionNo2675@reddit

Yes, I had to look it up too. The headline was very confusing. I actually thought it was the name of drink or something that was related to Tim hortons!!!

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Disillusionification@reddit

I thought it was a lady in a skimpy black and white outfit with a feather duster... No idea who Tim Hortons is, or what he has to do with maids... \^\^

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Those_Silly_Ducks@reddit

Nah, usually it's a foreign worker trying to feed their family.

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cedriceent@reddit

It stands for Matcha-Almond-Iced-Decaf.

Poor chap was allergic to almonds😔

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Disillusionification@reddit

On first glance, I thought it was a lady in a black and white outfit... No idea what Tim Hortons has to do with those, whoever they are! \^\^

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usesidedoor@reddit

Tim Hortons is a coffee chain, something like a Canadian Starbucks but cheaper.

I didn't know what MAID stood for either, so I had to read the article (like in the good old days :P).

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merelyadoptedthedark@reddit

The abbreviation MAID is not well known inside of Canada either.

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lurking_physicist@reddit

I'm in Canada and I never heard of MAID (but I do know "aide médicale à mourir").

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OccasionNo2675@reddit

"In a second case, the same doctor failed to administer one of three drugs used in assisted deaths and the patient resumed spontaneously breathing after being pronounced dead."

This is terrifying. I'm pro medically assisted death and genuinely plan on availing of it if the time comes. Though not legal where I live yet, I would travel for it should needed.

I can't imagine the trauma of closing your eyes and accepting your death only to suddenly start breathing again.

I can't believe that doctor is only after getting 6 months supervision when not one but 2 cases of clear negligence occurred.

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curlofheadcurls@reddit

Why are doctors being made to do this? Why not specialize some of our already psychopathic nurses to ease their urges?

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The media loves to trot out any story they can find about MAID going wrong. But the reality is that it has been getting more used and there are about 16k cases per year now. Absolutely every case where something goes wrong should be investigated so it's not repeated. But overwhelmingly it's a valuable, reliable service for those at the end of their lives.

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SheIsABadMamaJama@reddit

It’s the National Post, it is an incredibly politically bias newspaper in Canada

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quietflyr@reddit

100% this. And all the cases the media trots out are always investigated.

The headline should read "MAID goes poorly, doctor investigated and sanctioned"

But it's the National Post, so they wouldn't write something that isn't rage-baiting or fear mongering.

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Sirmalta@reddit

I don't think the person came back to consciousness. The body just resumed breathing.

This is more about the trauma for the family.

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No-Heart-3839@reddit

No, they give you a sedative that totally knocks you out before they start any of the drugs. Every article about MAID in the NP is always full of distortion and misinformation.

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Squeebee007@reddit

This guy could get someone killed! /s

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System__Shutdown@reddit

Couldn't*

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Flashy_Drummer6664@reddit

I'm not sure which of the two comments is more hilarious.

But I'm sure I'm clearly a bad person for laughing 🤣🤣

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Chance-Ear-9772@reddit

Why would you be a bad person? Not like you are laughing at someone’s death here.

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Wheel2pointO@reddit

This article is written by a hell-bent anti-progressive newspaper we have here in Canada. The doctor’s mistakes are concerning, but the National Post wants to England everyone who is anti-MAID to be able to say “See?! Now we’ve got people killing themselves in Tim Hortons!”, which is clearly not even close to what occurred.

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Decemtigris@reddit

Article is from biased source but that doesn't change the fact that Canada dealt with issues like veterans or those with disabilities being offered MAID instead of proper medical care because it's apparently cheaper for the government to let them die

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lightweight12@reddit

Those cases you refer to. People that weren't qualified to offer MAID, offered MAID and then were fired.

Please stop repeating these lies.

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Decemtigris@reddit

What lies did I repeat? That veterans or disabled people were offered MAID when they wanted to live and wanted proper healthcare? That treating these people (and hopefully you agree they should be treated) is more expensive then killing them off? All truths.

And yes those folks got fired and good riddance but this kind of thing should have never happened in the first place, we're a country of free healthcare not free deathcare

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theoreoman@reddit

It's still a major main stream newspaper.

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RedAntisocial@reddit

Yes, because they've bought up most of them.

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SBCrystal@reddit

Yeah, I saw this being posted in another subreddit and I was going to comment about how no one should take this newspaper seriously. They have an obvious agenda.

I would wait for the results of any inquest that they do and obviously if this doctor has made these mistakes he should no longer be allowed to have anything to do with MAID.

But MAID does need TWO independent doctors sign off on it and the official MAID guidelines say nothing about family permission or notification.

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Saorren@reddit

if its our main sub it was good that you didnt, they ban people for that

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Shady_Yoga_Instructr@reddit

I dunno man, its not looking good when the financial incentives for people offing themselves start looking like black market organ profiteering

https://youtu.be/F_CXsmvukfs?si=KtyDTOyOWx3ocqGe

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dogsledonice@reddit

Yeah, the Post (and Postmedia) was set up by an American hedge fund to shift Canadian opinions right. They relentlessly post this shit on r/ canada

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No_Introduction_3542@reddit

Thanks for the explanation, now I understand why the article is so poorly written.

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Waesrdtfyg0987@reddit

Omg there is a case like this let's get rid of the process even though it has helped like 50000 people. Idiots nobody ever presents facts like this

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ugly_dog_@reddit

it's sad that perfectly valid concerns about the specifics of MAID's implementation and indirect consequences get to be coopted by right wing psychopaths

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zenheadset@reddit

there as a worldwide assault on life itself in both literal and physical forms. as a leftist I think it’s sad that we’ve have allowed opposition to the elites’ anti-life agenda to become the rhetorical territory of the right.

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decimeci@reddit

It's good that right wingers are anti euthanasia. It would be way worse if they were pro euthanasia.

Because it can be very good tool for them to use against different groups like people with mental ilnesses, with financial issues, etc.

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OGSyedIsEverywhere@reddit (OP)

Tbh I agree but I can't find any publications on the left that cares about it. Oh, they're telling disabled people to get euthanised so that the budget can afford to maintain the past tax cuts to boomer homeowners? Nothing to see here, let's discuss Clavicular and data centres.

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missplaced24@reddit

There are unfortunately a lot of examples from Canada of unethical MAID laws & procedures.

In Canada it's a very hotly debated topic because so many people don't want to suffer towards the end (or see their loved one's suffer), but there have been quite a few horror stories.

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ChloricName@reddit

there’s a concerning amount of stories similar to this. i was doing some research for a class project a while ago and i read that MAID was being offered to disabled vets who were simply asking for accessibility options for their homes and other similar stories.

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shabi_sensei@reddit

This newspaper is owned by Americans and they’re constantly trying to run stories to shape opinions for their venture capitalist overlords

Its nickname is “the white nationalist post” for a reason lol

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Waesrdtfyg0987@reddit

It's owned by a handful of people out of 300M+?

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McChibken@reddit

I think you're missing the obvious point that this is a story about Canada and the website is a foreign propaganda rag. Nobody believes it is owned by 330 million people. The important fact is that it's an article about Canadian politics, not written or hosted by Canadians, specifically intentioned to boost MAGA in our country

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Waesrdtfyg0987@reddit

Yeah I get it. Just get very frustrated across reddit when these thoughts get attributed to all of us. Too many people think it's all of us and while I get the impact on other countries those of us on the US are fucked much much worse.

Been a very shitty 18 months and I don't expect the US to come back from this internationally and it will get much worse for us.

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ChloricName@reddit

https://apnews.com/article/euthanasia-ethics-canada-doctors-nonterminal-nonfatal-cases-dfe59b1786592e31d9eb3b826c5175d1

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-rates-of-medical-assistance-in-dying-for-non-terminal-illness-in/

these are the two articles i specifically had read when i first heard about it last year.

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random_handle_123@reddit

Sooo, not at all like this story. Stop fear mongering.

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Turtle_With_Grudge@reddit

There are not a concerning amount of cases like this. Cite your sources if you are to be believed.

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RunReadSleep@reddit

Do you recall her you read this? I’ve heard it a few times but never got to the actual source material

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Forged-Signatures@reddit

The story is basically a Paralympian, Christine Gauthier, applied for a wheelchair ramp to her house from Veterans Services, and an unknown worker responded by sending a letter offering MAID instead. By the sound of the articles, this has reportedly happened to several people accessing the veteran services, and seems to all be tied to a single employee being an arsehole, per the Minister for Veteran Services.

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quietflyr@reddit

More or less correct.

There was a parliamentary investigation and hearings, and they discovered one single employee at veteran's affairs who was, against all rules and procedures, recommending MAID to a bunch of veterans. This individual was subsequently fired.

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