Like it or not liberals, this is exactly what the space exploration genre is all about. You explore distant lands, find different-colored humanoid ladies, flex your technological superiority, and extract resources. I wouldn’t mind a historical game with similar themes.
Especially considering as a liberal i'd love that. Imagine trying to play as a "good guy" and getting consequences. I'd love a great tradeoff between "winning" and "being nice". Unfortunately most games story makes it almost the same thing. Like, not being a dick just gives you better (or same) loot
Paradox's game series about colonization may be called Europa universalis but Europe is unrealistically weak and never manages to get technologically ahead of Asia.
That's actually realistic. Large scale colonization of Asia and Africa only heppened during 19th century irl, only after the scientific revolution during 18th century.
The renaissance and printing press are both force spawned in Europe, along with colonialism and the trade one nearly always spawning in Europe too. The ai might be able to reach ‘parity’ with Europe when it comes to technology, but each tech will cost the Asian countries that don’t embrace the institutions a lot more mana. Mana that could be used developing and expanding now going to an ever increasing gap between Europe and Asian. Also all 3 end trade nodes are in Europe.
If a PLAYER is in Asia they are able to “force spawn” the institution, which will allow other Asian countries to adapt more quickly, but other than that they do tend to fall behind.
I believe qe are talking about differnt iterations of EU, xou talking about Mana and force spawning institutions sounds a lot like EUIV.
Yes EUIV does it Good. EU5 does not do it good at all. SOME institutions are spawnING in Europe (historical spawn is a setting you need to turn on) everything else will spawn in China. And even if you use the setting to spawn them, they spread ridiculously fast, I am talking europe maybe gets like 1-3 decades of tech superiority now and then before the entire rest of the world catches up.
This is the type of shit that ignorant Americans often spout online. “Europoors” “Europe has no electricity” “Europe is living in the past” “Europe is underdeveloped”
Also. You could just easily look at my profile, and see that I’m not a bot. Unlike most bots nowadays, I do actually not hide my posts/comments on my profile
They're talking about a video game and saying that Europe is underpowered in that game relative to real life (implying that real life Europe is very powerful). How is that shit Americans say?
Yeah but it doesn't, I am just complaining about the newest EU game (which a lot of people didn't get and thought I was dumb and countered me with EUIV examples).
Saying Europe should be stronger is not /shitamericanssay.
An assassins creed or red dead type combat/adventure game that explores the brutality of the Spanish invasion of the Americas would be really neat I think. We need more historical videogames that are both fun to play but also treat their subject matters seriously.
Or even reverse the roles and have the player character be a Native American fighting against the Spanish.
People forget that the Incas and Aztecs were basically like Gengis khan and the Mongols. You were given a choice between being a tribute state or annihilation.
How would it be if European Countries lost their right to be free after the WW2 because another war would have happened if they would have still be let to be free?
Lmao what about the rights of the other tribes who lived on ‘their land’? You know, the ones that got dragged up a pyramid and had their hearts cut out while they were still alive.
No its not, most tribes got absorbed into bigger factions, for example the Romans really would've rather shown off their wealth and had tribes join willingly, the aztecs absolutely used genocide, no matter the way you swing it they're not good
And we still have Germany, so please tell me one reason why Europe and European Union even needs a country like Germany instead of sharing the land of Germany between other European countries.
What good thing did Germany even do to still exist?
Everyone ignoring your main point and just down voting you lol, that just means no one is comfortable with the answer. To take a stab at answering you honestly, it's probably because the events you are comparing took place at different times in history.
One civilization has a religion that mandates human sacrifice, and the other despite ostensibly preaching peace and love behaves the exact same way. I suppose I can give kudos to the Aztecs for being a bit more honest about the whole thing.
Just like any game, the creators have liberty to put in as much or little violence as they want. Though in this case, too little and it’s whitewashing colonization, too much and instead it’s glorifying it. I assume that’s why no studio has taken it yet, tho it would be a good story.
I guess he will want to build a peaceful life in a small town with a nice home that he owns, find a wife and have a couple kids. That's the male fantasy right there.
I did think the whole modern side and ancient alien thing was kind of cool at the time, but I also do think they could just stop pushing it into every setting. It's rather lost its novelty and at this point it's just kind of tacked on anyway.
Period RPGs would be great though. The best thing about these games has always been the historical settings and Ubisoft has gone above and beyond with the expansive worlds in more recent games.
I was hoping that was the direction they’d continue to take after Odyssey, but instead they went right back to forcing the same AC tropes into settings they don’t belong
They are already turning Farcry into an rpg-lite game with health bars and such like they did AC. So it probably wouldn't be much different either way judging from the direction their games have been going.
They just headed yonder until they decided they’d gon nuff. The plains was plentiful and fertile teaming with life and shit. Plus big flat open after just an insane dungeon crawl through Appalachia getting ambushed surely and losing really only when surprised ambushed or not having the high ground(fuckin Samuel Whatever Star Trek reference that is) so they felt safe enough to settle. Plus like that’s a trek and they still as far as they can see just more land I imagine the idea of turning around at that point was pretty fucking dim. Like fuck me dude. Prolly time to chill and this looks safe lol plus Kansas is cool as shit dude.
Nah most of human history was mundane activities like farming and bartering for goats. A city can stand for a hundred years in peace, but you'll only read about the day it was sacked.
The oldest surviving records are not about war or pillaging but about money, gods, and sex.
One of my professors specialised exclusively in the lives of people in English workhouses during the industrial revolution. It was riveting. The fact is most people don't want to learn about things other than war and violence so people don't produce that content, which in turn generates this misconception of human history as a bloody affair
if when you learn about a time in history you mostly learn about the wars then yes most of human history is rape and pillage, but you could also choose to look at the other things
Ubisoft would absolutely make it into a watered down white wash where the racism, violence and horror of colonial violence would be the thing of some bad guy and you'd be a good conkistador who fights the system. And idiots would still call it woke.
I mean it's either that or managing your slave plantations and giving native women to your conquistadors as prizes, resulting in mestizo children, alloving you to start a multi-tiered racist caste system. Also when you kind of run out of natives due to genocide or the church tells you to stop enslaving them, you start buying black people for the plantations.
I feel like there could be a good Farcry game where you play a native porter who escapes from Pizarros doomed expedition to find El dorado. I know it would be eating assassins creeds lunch a bit, but the location with all its wildlife, and both rival tribes and conquistadors to fight would be perfect for Farcry.
Something like the Narvaez Expedition could be interesting. You and your mates find yourselves desolate and join the local natives in order to survive. Could be cool ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The only people who would touch that subject are blue haired specimens with nose rings, merely to "own the chuds" and show how awful the spanish were for oppressing le quirky natives who only wanted to have mostly peaceful mass sacrifices
How much History of the early Spanish Empire have you read? Because most reputable modern academics have rejected the morbillion taino dead number. A large amount died yes but 80-90% within three decades is pulled out of your ass and simply not true. Post ~1505 the Spanish authorities had a vested interest in keeping the Taino alive through new villages and communal structures, in no small part thanks to the many religious orders present who agitated for this
"No bro, you don't get it. The evil spanish, which are like the sith (from my favorite slop), came to the americas with flamethrowers and just like, crucified and raped everyone, who were just prancing around and singing kumbaya".
Obviously a lot of grisly things happened throughout history and throughout every civilization. But this gross generalization and dumbing down of history to "spanish bad, poor natives" it's just a disingenuous, anti-christian rhetoric
I'm glad they did it. Now the entirety of south America is Christian and i'm thankful for that, because i grew up without fear of being sacrificed to some bloodthirsty pagan god. I will refrain from calling you what you are because i just got back from a ban, but know that you're a brainwashed halfwit
I thought the opposite, the only people who would touch this subject are edgelords who want to show that it "wasn't actually that bad for the natives" and portray the Spanish as the good guys
The problem is that there is easily either no third position or no good position at all. There was an Amazon produced show on Cortes a few years ago that tried. Cortes becomes an Anti-Villain who acts evil out of necessity or is "forced" to be evil from good intentions. The show is not that bad, but if you look closer there are a lot of issues.
Why always "the fall of X". Yeah it is where European involvement starts and where we have the most written sources about, but what things that happened during the heyday of the Aztecs. Read on the life of Nezahualcoyotl and the actual rise of the Aztecs to power. That one would make for a much better game, simply because that story had never been told.
Well I just assumed the Assassin Templar conflict would be unknown in Americas so Europeans would need to bring it there. Also clashing cultures generally make an interesting setting
I agree on the last part, but I wind the whole Assassin-Templar conflict frankly quite boring and contrived. It worked for the Ezio and Kenway stories, but it felt like a burden afterwards. The problem is that it allows you to simplify history into two global factions and reduce all wars to feuds between those two. It is just kinda dumb and it takes away part of the agency from the actual historical conflict.
Well I just assumed the Assassin Templar conflict would be unknown in Americas
The conflict originates in Roman-Egypt. We had already Odyssey which was set before the order war founded as well. Also we can always insert some contrived history, where Egyptians, Romans or Irish monks sail to the Americas and have the orders have their own history in the Americas as well.
The Assassin-Templar conflict is central to the series identity. And the lore largely follows real life history, I guess they could make the connection through the Vikings arrival in North America
I know that it is central, but that's my point. One of the things I like the least about AC games. There are a lot of really good things, but I find it a bit annoying that they have sort of a monopoly on these historical fiction open world AAA games.
I guess I'd think something like the Ghost of... games or Kingdom Come set in Mexico would be more what I'd want. Though I do like the action adventure and exploration from AC games a lot.
I think it could work. You play as an Inca assassin during their civil war in the midst of the Spanish invasion. The verticality of the Andes terrain and the massive Incan stone cities would fit AC gameplay perfectly
No you don't get it, the Spaniards were particularly evil except compared to the Germans, the French, the English, the Portuguese, the Dutch, most of the natives, and don't forget the Belgians.
Literally the Expeditions series, The Total War Medieval 2: Americas expansion, etc. Etc.
Also i don't necessarily condone it but i'm pretty sure every expedition in history will probaby involve raping and pillaging (or at least some measure of violence), especially when it involves more than like 10 to 15 people, you're probably not gonna find that many willing to risk blood and guts to travel to a distant land without them being a rough sort. That's how the vikings did it, that's how Herakles did it, that's how we do it folks.
Yeah man I’d love one based on De Vaca. My people slaughtered his group, and then enslaved him on an island for years. Cute story, we still sing songs about it and I grew up hearing oral history of it.
An MMO that was almost impossible to quest together at launch. A fucking disaster, they gave it free to anyone who signed up for it on Amazon when it was first announced and I still feel bad because a friend wasted money on it to try with me.
Always wanted someone to make a epic miniseries about the conquest of the Aztecs and sacking of Tenochtitlan. Less rape at that point of the story and more unhinged Blood Meridian style violence which should resonate with American audiences.
There was this a few years ago. They wanted to make a second season, but that didn't happen due to Covid.
I imagine though it is quite different from Blood Meridian, because Central Mexico is very different from the deserts of the Southwest in the 1840s. The Southwest by the 1840s is a land that had been devastated by war for centuries and the desert makes it into a complete otherworld as well.
The first expedition to Florida was a complete disaster. Most of them died in the Everglades, the rest cannibalized each other. The last three survivors eventually became prophets.
The whole thing should be a movie. Before someone tries (and fails) to make a movie of Blood Meridian, they should make one of the Narvaez Expedition first.
Narvaez Expedition game, but survival horror no conquering just trying to survive a bunch of crytips inna swamp/marsh totally not pushing you towards a crocodillian demi god that wants to sacrifce you for more power
Survival horror in the Everglades > RPG with construction focus on the Texas Coast > Whatever game would fit best for the last part where Cabeza de Vaca becomes a spirit healer with hundreds of followers?
No company in modern western society would have the balls to make such a game. It would be considered...checks notes problematic, inappropriate and toxic game by company that's clearly... checked more more notes exploitative, racist and fascist.
Asians could possibly make such a game, but they don't care.
The EU does not allow for war crimes or crimes against humanity to be playable in video games iirc.
In other words, any video game would not be able to be sold legally in the EU, which would mean losing millions of customers
Yeah, you can't really do war crimes or crimes against humanity (unless you count forced deportations of Hungarians to be a crime against humanity, which it kinda is)
Oh God, the yanks already downvoted me like it isn't true but it's definitely what happened and why would you want a game about that? Is this your non human DNA talking or is it a culture thing
Yes they stopped them from happening by slaughtered entire ethnic groups and raping the women and children too😂 this must be the High IQ I keep hearing about
They were not happening daily and not matter the "we stopped them from doing bad things" gimmick you keep pushing, truth is you didn't stop anything and they weren't killing each other as much as wannabe humans claim
Because the white American population also has Spanish descendants, your race logic says you share wins and spoils, American population is known to be mixed since it was created by Spaniards, germanics and Italians
Yes it was infamously the Spanish. thank you, Constable
Yanks are now running north America and it's usually them who get mad when we bring up the cruelty that was brought to the Americas. Also yanks aren't just germanic, there are some slavs and of course southern Europeans who are yanks too
K so educate me. When was the Incan genocide? It's weird I've read a lot about the conquest but missed the part where the Spanish attempted to wipe them out
The term was coined in 1944 by Polish-Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin. It was codified into international law by the United Nations in the 1948 Genocide Convention.
According to Article II of the Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy the targeted group:
Killing members of the group.Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of the group (e.g., withholding resources or medical services).
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The "Inca genocide" refers to the devastating collapse of the Inca Empire following the 1532 Spanish invasion led by Francisco Pizarro. This destruction was driven by military slaughter—such as the massacre of thousands of unarmed attendants at Cajamarca—brutal forced labor, and European diseases like smallpox.
Key Mechanisms of the Devastation
Biological Warfare: Lacking immunity to Old World pathogens, the Inca population was decimated by waves of smallpox and influenza, which spread rapidly even before the Spanish arrived in full force.Massacres & Military Conquest: Conquistadors utilized steel, horses, and gunpowder to ambush Incan leadership, famously capturing and executing Emperor Atahualpa.
Exploitation & Forced Labor: The mita system forced indigenous Anden populations into brutal, deadly labor in silver mines like Potosí, significantly accelerating the population collapse.
Cultural Erasure: Systematic efforts were made to eradicate local traditions, burn indigenous texts, and eliminate scholars like the khipukamayuq (specialists who recorded history using knotted cords).
The Toll: By 1620, it is estimated that the indigenous Andean population had declined by up to 90% due to a combination of introduced diseases, warfare, and severe colonial exploitation. While historians debate the term "genocide" because much of the mortality was unintentional (due to disease) and driven by the desire to subjugate a workforce rather than completely extinguish the people, the net effect was the utter destruction of Incan civilization.
AC black flag took place in and around the Spanish & English Caribbean colonies, RDR 1 had a whole section of the game set in Mexico. I can’t really remember any else but those are examples of historical games set in that region.
The spanish were a bunch of mass murdering rapist pedophiles, nobody would play that. Also npc's who think all native american tribes sacrificed people (which has been widely recognized as being insanely overexagerated by the spanish to demonize native people) are the most low iq sheep on the planet.
Strict_Space_1994@reddit
Like it or not liberals, this is exactly what the space exploration genre is all about. You explore distant lands, find different-colored humanoid ladies, flex your technological superiority, and extract resources. I wouldn’t mind a historical game with similar themes.
decoolegastdotzip@reddit
Which games would this be?
Arstanishe@reddit
Especially considering as a liberal i'd love that. Imagine trying to play as a "good guy" and getting consequences. I'd love a great tradeoff between "winning" and "being nice". Unfortunately most games story makes it almost the same thing. Like, not being a dick just gives you better (or same) loot
CONNER__LANE@reddit
Anon is not familiar with Paradox Interactive
LavaTwocan@reddit
Eu4 my beloved
Bobby-B00Bs@reddit
Paradox's game series about colonization may be called Europa universalis but Europe is unrealistically weak and never manages to get technologically ahead of Asia.
telorsapigoreng@reddit
That's actually realistic. Large scale colonization of Asia and Africa only heppened during 19th century irl, only after the scientific revolution during 18th century.
Noblerook@reddit
The renaissance and printing press are both force spawned in Europe, along with colonialism and the trade one nearly always spawning in Europe too. The ai might be able to reach ‘parity’ with Europe when it comes to technology, but each tech will cost the Asian countries that don’t embrace the institutions a lot more mana. Mana that could be used developing and expanding now going to an ever increasing gap between Europe and Asian. Also all 3 end trade nodes are in Europe.
If a PLAYER is in Asia they are able to “force spawn” the institution, which will allow other Asian countries to adapt more quickly, but other than that they do tend to fall behind.
Bobby-B00Bs@reddit
I believe qe are talking about differnt iterations of EU, xou talking about Mana and force spawning institutions sounds a lot like EUIV.
Yes EUIV does it Good. EU5 does not do it good at all. SOME institutions are spawnING in Europe (historical spawn is a setting you need to turn on) everything else will spawn in China. And even if you use the setting to spawn them, they spread ridiculously fast, I am talking europe maybe gets like 1-3 decades of tech superiority now and then before the entire rest of the world catches up.
Noblerook@reddit
Ohhh I actually completely forgot there was an EUV, yeah I was talking about EUIV
Anaric1@reddit
Yeah FR EU5 is still so unpolished
FlyPepper@reddit
This man has no fucking idea what he's talking about
Bobby-B00Bs@reddit
I think you might be confusion about which EU game I am talking about. It happened to many people, I am bitching about EU5 not EUIV.
FlyPepper@reddit
this man may have an idea of what he's talking about in that case
NNiekk@reddit
This is the type of shit that ignorant Americans often spout online. “Europoors” “Europe has no electricity” “Europe is living in the past” “Europe is underdeveloped”
QuitWhinging@reddit
Are you a bot or just incapable of reading?
NNiekk@reddit
Also. You could just easily look at my profile, and see that I’m not a bot. Unlike most bots nowadays, I do actually not hide my posts/comments on my profile
ImNotABotScoutsHonor@reddit
Your idiocy in this comment thread aside, I just wanted to let you know that the phrase is "make do*", not "make due".
NNiekk@reddit
Apparently stating that it reads like something I’d read on shitamericanssay means that I’m a bot. Wild
QuitWhinging@reddit
They're talking about a video game and saying that Europe is underpowered in that game relative to real life (implying that real life Europe is very powerful). How is that shit Americans say?
NNiekk@reddit
Because you are apparently ignoring the fact that I said that it *reads* like it. Not that it *is* it
Bobby-B00Bs@reddit
Yeah but it doesn't, I am just complaining about the newest EU game (which a lot of people didn't get and thought I was dumb and countered me with EUIV examples).
Saying Europe should be stronger is not /shitamericanssay.
Kel4597@reddit
Except you didnt say that.
Just admit you though they were talking about real life and not a video game
IDrinkSulfuricAcid@reddit
This comment speaks more about Europeans more than the one you replied to…He was saying that Europe was UNDERpowered…
bigmt99@reddit
Sounds like the Europoor jokes are really getting under your skin because this has nothing to do with anything
DeathByPig@reddit
Like 14 Prussian soldiers can barely stack wipe 150k Chinese late game so I agree.
DedOriginalCancer@reddit
I don't play spreadsheet sims though
Noobeater1@reddit
That's your own personal problem
Blazedatman@reddit
Hæsteinn my favorite Greek monarch
FloZone@reddit
Meanwhile the most recent Greek monarchs were Bavarians.
MetallicYeet@reddit
Found Koifish’s alt account
Chris_El_Deafo@reddit
An assassins creed or red dead type combat/adventure game that explores the brutality of the Spanish invasion of the Americas would be really neat I think. We need more historical videogames that are both fun to play but also treat their subject matters seriously. Or even reverse the roles and have the player character be a Native American fighting against the Spanish.
PJ_2005_01@reddit
True: only a 4channer would want a game that is both racist and includes rape…
Straight: Take a wild fucking guess what this 4chinner would want in that game
Thin_General_8594@reddit
No matter what side you play as in this game, you are fundamentally a terrible person lmao
Human sacrifice slaver tribute state VS religious fundamentalist colonial Blackwater PMC
jsh_@reddit
there were many more cultures/states than the mexica/aztecs, and most of them did not practice ritual human sacrifice
viciouspandas@reddit
In Mesoamerica, where the conquistadores mostly were most of the major cultures did.
Ok_Interest3555@reddit
People forget that the Incas and Aztecs were basically like Gengis khan and the Mongols. You were given a choice between being a tribute state or annihilation.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
It was their right to do so on their land.
How would it be if European Countries lost their right to be free after the WW2 because another war would have happened if they would have still be let to be free?
Smegma_Ghoul@reddit
Lmao what about the rights of the other tribes who lived on ‘their land’? You know, the ones that got dragged up a pyramid and had their hearts cut out while they were still alive.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
So it was better just to kill them all?
Because that is what European countries did.
And why Germany even still a country?
Didn't Germany caused a genocide and started a war?
Wouldn't it be better to share that land between other European countries at least so we don't risk again to happen what happened during WW2?
Scarlet_Addict@reddit
No its not, most tribes got absorbed into bigger factions, for example the Romans really would've rather shown off their wealth and had tribes join willingly, the aztecs absolutely used genocide, no matter the way you swing it they're not good
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Nazi Germany didn't used pacifist solutions.
And we still have Germany, so please tell me one reason why Europe and European Union even needs a country like Germany instead of sharing the land of Germany between other European countries.
What good thing did Germany even do to still exist?
not-a-prince@reddit
Everyone ignoring your main point and just down voting you lol, that just means no one is comfortable with the answer. To take a stab at answering you honestly, it's probably because the events you are comparing took place at different times in history.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
You are getting down votes too.
Is mostly because one was a super power and one was like tribes not even a recognised country.
not-a-prince@reddit
Yes!! that may also be part of it. Downvotes on non scholarly subreddits most likely means you are right lol, doesn't mean shit up or down
ImportantResponse0@reddit
It means overall if you want to post because apparently comments karma is a thing.
So be nice or you can't post in some subreddits
not-a-prince@reddit
A few shitposts and shit comments will get that karma right back up baby
Steelwolf73@reddit
Well that's certainly an argument I've never heard before.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I see lot of people want it so bad they started down voting just because I used the word Europe.
Europe is still kinda independent unfortunately.
And what a population does on their land is their right.
Just as Europe did lot of war and stayed independent.
Expensive-Ad-1205@reddit
One civilization has a religion that mandates human sacrifice, and the other despite ostensibly preaching peace and love behaves the exact same way. I suppose I can give kudos to the Aztecs for being a bit more honest about the whole thing.
Omaha_Beach@reddit
Hey man just a fun fact for the week.. Almost every colonizer and or conquerer raped and pillaged.
bryceonthebison@reddit
Yeah but how many fuck a new race into existence?
PJ_2005_01@reddit
That’s not a fun fact but yeah no shit
Xalethesniper@reddit
Just like any game, the creators have liberty to put in as much or little violence as they want. Though in this case, too little and it’s whitewashing colonization, too much and instead it’s glorifying it. I assume that’s why no studio has taken it yet, tho it would be a good story.
general_bonesteel@reddit
Historical accuracy... of... "Wacky" adventures
winged_owl@reddit
I guess he will want to build a peaceful life in a small town with a nice home that he owns, find a wife and have a couple kids. That's the male fantasy right there.
Reading_username@reddit
Ah yes, Rape & Pillage 1500's™ -- COMING SOON from Ubisoft
Don't forget your Pizzaro DLC for CONQUEST IN THE SOUTH
viciouspandas@reddit
I mean there's plenty of horrific wars that we have games based on.
A_Dicksmasher@reddit
It would absolutely be Ubisoft
CroatInAKilt@reddit
"Collect 50 decapitated Mayan heads"
Pineapple_Spenstar@reddit
not far off from Green Hell Spirits of Amazonia
CroatInAKilt@reddit
Peak game mentioned, holy shit. Best survival game next to Long Dark, hands down
FD4L@reddit
I dont want to sign into uplay and climb towers to unlock zone maps.
GoldcoinforRosey@reddit
Far cry from a natives perspective in this setting would be fire.
mratlas666@reddit
Why not as an AC game lol.
Kel4597@reddit
Ubisoft needs to stop making AC games and just make time-period RPGs. Black Flag resynced seems like a good step in this direction
GalaXion24@reddit
I did think the whole modern side and ancient alien thing was kind of cool at the time, but I also do think they could just stop pushing it into every setting. It's rather lost its novelty and at this point it's just kind of tacked on anyway.
Period RPGs would be great though. The best thing about these games has always been the historical settings and Ubisoft has gone above and beyond with the expansive worlds in more recent games.
WearIcy2635@reddit
I was hoping that was the direction they’d continue to take after Odyssey, but instead they went right back to forcing the same AC tropes into settings they don’t belong
MadLabs@reddit
I have been saying this but about Rockstar instead! Think about a game about samurais or pirates on the same level as Red Dead Redemption, damnnn
mratlas666@reddit
That’s the first AC game I actually liked. So I’m excited for the remake.
deathbylasersss@reddit
They are already turning Farcry into an rpg-lite game with health bars and such like they did AC. So it probably wouldn't be much different either way judging from the direction their games have been going.
Capnmarvel76@reddit
All their major titles are essentially interchangeable at this point, right? Just slight variations in the intended gameplay and setting.
livenn@reddit
Every farcry protagonist has been either a nepo baby or godlike gigachad
RandomMexicanDude@reddit
The devs already have some experience with sexual assault I think
Mesarthim1349@reddit
Nah, real talk. The Conquistador expedition that made it all the way to fucking Kansas would make for an insane storytelling setting.
Or the ones that built a fort in North Carolina before the English even got there.
almostasenpai@reddit
What vexes me is why anyone would willingly go to Kansas
marino1310@reddit
People settled in Florida before AC was invented. People back then just settled anywhere.
kjyfqr@reddit
They just headed yonder until they decided they’d gon nuff. The plains was plentiful and fertile teaming with life and shit. Plus big flat open after just an insane dungeon crawl through Appalachia getting ambushed surely and losing really only when surprised ambushed or not having the high ground(fuckin Samuel Whatever Star Trek reference that is) so they felt safe enough to settle. Plus like that’s a trek and they still as far as they can see just more land I imagine the idea of turning around at that point was pretty fucking dim. Like fuck me dude. Prolly time to chill and this looks safe lol plus Kansas is cool as shit dude.
Capnmarvel76@reddit
The Kansas City area, with its black earth, trees, rivers and bluffs, would’ve looked pretty damn good compared to anything South or west of it.
kjyfqr@reddit
That’s what I’m sayin!
WearIcy2635@reddit
The natives kept telling them there was a city of solid gold just over the horizon
LazarusPizza@reddit
They didn't know any better. Total fog of war
Capnmarvel76@reddit
Lost in a million-strong stampede of buffalo. They had no idea.
LexPatriae@reddit
For the ‘que, duh. It’s all about that sweet, New World tomato based sauce.
FloZone@reddit
The Narvaez expedition as epic survival horror.
Nessy3fidy@reddit
Well pretty much every conquest in history was R/P.
ChadPowers200_@reddit
Most of human history is rape and pillage
Matiwapo@reddit
Nah most of human history was mundane activities like farming and bartering for goats. A city can stand for a hundred years in peace, but you'll only read about the day it was sacked.
The oldest surviving records are not about war or pillaging but about money, gods, and sex.
One of my professors specialised exclusively in the lives of people in English workhouses during the industrial revolution. It was riveting. The fact is most people don't want to learn about things other than war and violence so people don't produce that content, which in turn generates this misconception of human history as a bloody affair
Altruistic-Local-541@reddit
if when you learn about a time in history you mostly learn about the wars then yes most of human history is rape and pillage, but you could also choose to look at the other things
like child sacrefice for example
C_umputer@reddit
CaptainjustusIII@reddit
to be fair, wasnt that most of history
Rammipallero@reddit
Ubisoft would absolutely make it into a watered down white wash where the racism, violence and horror of colonial violence would be the thing of some bad guy and you'd be a good conkistador who fights the system. And idiots would still call it woke.
GalaXion24@reddit
I mean it's either that or managing your slave plantations and giving native women to your conquistadors as prizes, resulting in mestizo children, alloving you to start a multi-tiered racist caste system. Also when you kind of run out of natives due to genocide or the church tells you to stop enslaving them, you start buying black people for the plantations.
Enderblaster@reddit
I mean didn’t that happen in every period in human history and still happening??
Montagnardse@reddit
As if the English-Americans didn’t do the exact same thing. They still sanitize the settlers
theredhound19@reddit
StandardN02b@reddit
It is always rape this, genocide that with you lot when someone talks about history. Shut the fuck up or learn another tune. You are anoying.
will_munny@reddit
I feel like there could be a good Farcry game where you play a native porter who escapes from Pizarros doomed expedition to find El dorado. I know it would be eating assassins creeds lunch a bit, but the location with all its wildlife, and both rival tribes and conquistadors to fight would be perfect for Farcry.
Cactus-Pete-@reddit
Something like the Narvaez Expedition could be interesting. You and your mates find yourselves desolate and join the local natives in order to survive. Could be cool ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
901_vols@reddit
You say it like it's bad?
CainhurstVayne@reddit
The only people who would touch that subject are blue haired specimens with nose rings, merely to "own the chuds" and show how awful the spanish were for oppressing le quirky natives who only wanted to have mostly peaceful mass sacrifices
Little_Whippie@reddit
Mass rape and genocide is bad actually
CainhurstVayne@reddit
I'm glad you agree the Aztecs were fucked up
Little_Whippie@reddit
Never ask a chud what happened on Hispaniola
Yryes@reddit
How much History of the early Spanish Empire have you read? Because most reputable modern academics have rejected the morbillion taino dead number. A large amount died yes but 80-90% within three decades is pulled out of your ass and simply not true. Post ~1505 the Spanish authorities had a vested interest in keeping the Taino alive through new villages and communal structures, in no small part thanks to the many religious orders present who agitated for this
CainhurstVayne@reddit
"No bro, you don't get it. The evil spanish, which are like the sith (from my favorite slop), came to the americas with flamethrowers and just like, crucified and raped everyone, who were just prancing around and singing kumbaya".
Obviously a lot of grisly things happened throughout history and throughout every civilization. But this gross generalization and dumbing down of history to "spanish bad, poor natives" it's just a disingenuous, anti-christian rhetoric
CainhurstVayne@reddit
Vae Victis
I'm glad they did it. Now the entirety of south America is Christian and i'm thankful for that, because i grew up without fear of being sacrificed to some bloodthirsty pagan god. I will refrain from calling you what you are because i just got back from a ban, but know that you're a brainwashed halfwit
Alive_Ice7937@reddit
Weird that the US so desperately wants to keep you guys out.
Joanisi007@reddit
How much did the English exterminate?
Xalethesniper@reddit
Only if it’s white people
Thin_General_8594@reddit
I thought the opposite, the only people who would touch this subject are edgelords who want to show that it "wasn't actually that bad for the natives" and portray the Spanish as the good guys
FloZone@reddit
The problem is that there is easily either no third position or no good position at all. There was an Amazon produced show on Cortes a few years ago that tried. Cortes becomes an Anti-Villain who acts evil out of necessity or is "forced" to be evil from good intentions. The show is not that bad, but if you look closer there are a lot of issues.
SirVashtaNerada@reddit
Did your parents have any children that lived?
CainhurstVayne@reddit
Did yours have any that can do better than movie quotes?
GoGoSoLo@reddit
What a fun straw man you built to knock down, you ‘le’ schmuck.
Andrelse@reddit
What a stupid fucking comment
whiskers165@reddit
Expeditions Conquistador
Classic RPG, tactical combat, exactly what you are asking for
ComradeTeal@reddit
Had to scroll way too far for this. That game immediately popped back into my head after what, 10 years later?
Its a good game
Important_Case3052@reddit
If anyone cares, there's an amazing book about this called A Land So Strange: The Epic Journey of Cabeza de Vaca.
Tirian1225@reddit
Age of Empires III? The one everyone hates.
AKingNoMore@reddit
Age of empires????
SureConsiderMyDick@reddit
too generic imo, they just slapped a name on a tribe and add some buffs.
nater416@reddit
There's a whole quest line in The Conquerors expansion.
white_equatorial@reddit
Montezuema?
agentdrozd@reddit
I've always thought that fall of Incan Empire could be a great setting for an Assassin's Creed game
FloZone@reddit
Why always "the fall of X". Yeah it is where European involvement starts and where we have the most written sources about, but what things that happened during the heyday of the Aztecs. Read on the life of Nezahualcoyotl and the actual rise of the Aztecs to power. That one would make for a much better game, simply because that story had never been told.
agentdrozd@reddit
Well I just assumed the Assassin Templar conflict would be unknown in Americas so Europeans would need to bring it there. Also clashing cultures generally make an interesting setting
FloZone@reddit
I agree on the last part, but I wind the whole Assassin-Templar conflict frankly quite boring and contrived. It worked for the Ezio and Kenway stories, but it felt like a burden afterwards. The problem is that it allows you to simplify history into two global factions and reduce all wars to feuds between those two. It is just kinda dumb and it takes away part of the agency from the actual historical conflict.
The conflict originates in Roman-Egypt. We had already Odyssey which was set before the order war founded as well. Also we can always insert some contrived history, where Egyptians, Romans or Irish monks sail to the Americas and have the orders have their own history in the Americas as well.
agentdrozd@reddit
The Assassin-Templar conflict is central to the series identity. And the lore largely follows real life history, I guess they could make the connection through the Vikings arrival in North America
FloZone@reddit
I know that it is central, but that's my point. One of the things I like the least about AC games. There are a lot of really good things, but I find it a bit annoying that they have sort of a monopoly on these historical fiction open world AAA games.
I guess I'd think something like the Ghost of... games or Kingdom Come set in Mexico would be more what I'd want. Though I do like the action adventure and exploration from AC games a lot.
SuperSocialMan@reddit
I don't think it'd really fit with the whole "assassin" angle, but it could be neat.
WearIcy2635@reddit
I think it could work. You play as an Inca assassin during their civil war in the midst of the Spanish invasion. The verticality of the Andes terrain and the massive Incan stone cities would fit AC gameplay perfectly
Sea-Studio-6943@reddit
I'm in
Rady_8@reddit
Yeah this sounds dope
ak_zin@reddit
"there was raping and pillaging who would want to play something related to that period?"
Yeah, I love my feudal Europe, Edo Era Japan, Greek Mythology (...) games though.
MNamer@reddit
No you don't get it, the Spaniards were particularly evil except compared to the Germans, the French, the English, the Portuguese, the Dutch, most of the natives, and don't forget the Belgians.
Sethleoric@reddit
Literally the Expeditions series, The Total War Medieval 2: Americas expansion, etc. Etc.
Also i don't necessarily condone it but i'm pretty sure every expedition in history will probaby involve raping and pillaging (or at least some measure of violence), especially when it involves more than like 10 to 15 people, you're probably not gonna find that many willing to risk blood and guts to travel to a distant land without them being a rough sort. That's how the vikings did it, that's how Herakles did it, that's how we do it folks.
Paratwa@reddit
Yeah man I’d love one based on De Vaca. My people slaughtered his group, and then enslaved him on an island for years. Cute story, we still sing songs about it and I grew up hearing oral history of it.
Beamo1080@reddit
Didn’t Amazon buy a game studio to make a game about that but it flopped enormously
Sethleoric@reddit
Nah it's different
MetaKnightsNightmare@reddit
An MMO that was almost impossible to quest together at launch. A fucking disaster, they gave it free to anyone who signed up for it on Amazon when it was first announced and I still feel bad because a friend wasted money on it to try with me.
Napalm_am@reddit
That was a Fantasy setting game.
baudmiksen@reddit
a failed lotro2 that didn't know what it wanted to be
tortillaturban@reddit
Always wanted someone to make a epic miniseries about the conquest of the Aztecs and sacking of Tenochtitlan. Less rape at that point of the story and more unhinged Blood Meridian style violence which should resonate with American audiences.
FloZone@reddit
There was this a few years ago. They wanted to make a second season, but that didn't happen due to Covid. I imagine though it is quite different from Blood Meridian, because Central Mexico is very different from the deserts of the Southwest in the 1840s. The Southwest by the 1840s is a land that had been devastated by war for centuries and the desert makes it into a complete otherworld as well.
wene324@reddit
Far Cry: Aztec. You're a young Aztec warrior, fighting against the Conquistadors, raiding their outposts, and using their weapons against them.
FloZone@reddit
You could make a game about Gonzalo Guerrero as well.
breakfasteveryday@reddit
Can you imagine trying to explore the OG everglades?
Mesarthim1349@reddit
While also wearing late medieval armor and traversing terrain you can't bring your horse through
FloZone@reddit
The first expedition to Florida was a complete disaster. Most of them died in the Everglades, the rest cannibalized each other. The last three survivors eventually became prophets.
breakfasteveryday@reddit
For real?
WearIcy2635@reddit
Yep, the Narvaez Expedition. It’s a great read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narv%C3%A1ez_expedition
FloZone@reddit
The whole thing should be a movie. Before someone tries (and fails) to make a movie of Blood Meridian, they should make one of the Narvaez Expedition first.
cantaloupelion@reddit
Narvaez Expedition game, but survival horror no conquering just trying to survive a bunch of crytips inna swamp/marsh totally not pushing you towards a crocodillian demi god that wants to sacrifce you for more power
FloZone@reddit
Survival horror in the Everglades > RPG with construction focus on the Texas Coast > Whatever game would fit best for the last part where Cabeza de Vaca becomes a spirit healer with hundreds of followers?
Sea-Studio-6943@reddit
There's a random encounter with a conquistador in the everglades in the movie Synchronic
Cuadriello@reddit
Spanish conquests: cultural fusion. British conquests: annihilation. And yet here we go again with that bloody BLACK LEGEND.
mr_D4RK@reddit
No company in modern western society would have the balls to make such a game. It would be considered...checks notes problematic, inappropriate and toxic game by company that's clearly... checked more more notes exploitative, racist and fascist.
Asians could possibly make such a game, but they don't care.
SmoothPimp85@reddit
Zoomers gave up on archaic media like books and films. I like it.
Ironlandscape@reddit
American conquest exist
Bo_The_Destroyer@reddit
The EU does not allow for war crimes or crimes against humanity to be playable in video games iirc. In other words, any video game would not be able to be sold legally in the EU, which would mean losing millions of customers
marimo_ball@reddit
And yet Europa Universalis exists, as does Hoi4 (though they don't show you the holocaust because lol)
Bo_The_Destroyer@reddit
Yeah, you can't really do war crimes or crimes against humanity (unless you count forced deportations of Hungarians to be a crime against humanity, which it kinda is)
marimo_ball@reddit
Almost nobody here mentioned American Conquest and I am disappointed in all of you
Icy_Magician_9372@reddit
Medieval 2: Total War had an Americas expansion back long ago where you could play as the aztecs, Spanish, or other nations in that area at the time.
It was a while ago but I think it counts as a big game.
AAPandreialexand18@reddit
Lovely, the black legend is at it again.
thanksfor-allthefish@reddit
Medieval 2: total war had an expansion campaign with this and it was the best.
SlimothyJ@reddit
Anon discovers European cultural bias
Ora3le@reddit
Invading just to commit mass genocide, mutilation,rape and pedophilia =Epic Adventure
thriftwisepoundshy@reddit
That’s not what happened but we could make a game about that
Ora3le@reddit
Oh God, the yanks already downvoted me like it isn't true but it's definitely what happened and why would you want a game about that? Is this your non human DNA talking or is it a culture thing
thriftwisepoundshy@reddit
You mean like the massacres that were happening daily before they arrived or how they stopped those from happening?
Ora3le@reddit
Yes they stopped them from happening by slaughtered entire ethnic groups and raping the women and children too😂 this must be the High IQ I keep hearing about
They were not happening daily and not matter the "we stopped them from doing bad things" gimmick you keep pushing, truth is you didn't stop anything and they weren't killing each other as much as wannabe humans claim
thriftwisepoundshy@reddit
Better than an average of 85. Wanna be humans? You’re still blaming Europeans for things that happened 500 years ago.
Also look into the daily genocides you guys were doing to small jungle tribes. Get over yourself
Ora3le@reddit
First it was 60 average and now it's 85?pick a lie and stick with it
"jungle tribes" exposes your IQ and there are no genocides happening to small groups, you moron
ReturnRadio@reddit
Why would the yanks be up in arms about the Spanish
Ora3le@reddit
Because the white American population also has Spanish descendants, your race logic says you share wins and spoils, American population is known to be mixed since it was created by Spaniards, germanics and Italians
ReturnRadio@reddit
I can't tell if you're chronically online or just stupid
Ora3le@reddit
You're beyond dumb
Gobbler_of_Cock@reddit
lol yeah why would anyone wanna play a game where you wipe out an entire civilization? RTSs are for psychos!
Rambozo77@reddit
You realize it wasn’t “yanks” that “invaded” North America, right?
Ora3le@reddit
Yes it was infamously the Spanish. thank you, Constable
Yanks are now running north America and it's usually them who get mad when we bring up the cruelty that was brought to the Americas. Also yanks aren't just germanic, there are some slavs and of course southern Europeans who are yanks too
moragdong@reddit
nah you are just mad you have got owned lmao
Ora3le@reddit
No one is mad here and "owned" grow up, bum
Puzzleheaded_Gas1829@reddit
Open your post history. I need to know where you are from so I can talk trash about your country.
Gobbler_of_Cock@reddit
The Incans got genocided? That's weird I guess Wikipedia must be lying
_LiHaC_@reddit
smart enough to look up how many people from a tribe are left not smart enough to look up the definition of genocyde
Gobbler_of_Cock@reddit
K so educate me. When was the Incan genocide? It's weird I've read a lot about the conquest but missed the part where the Spanish attempted to wipe them out
whiskers165@reddit
The term was coined in 1944 by Polish-Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin. It was codified into international law by the United Nations in the 1948 Genocide Convention. According to Article II of the Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy the targeted group: Killing members of the group.Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of the group (e.g., withholding resources or medical services). Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The "Inca genocide" refers to the devastating collapse of the Inca Empire following the 1532 Spanish invasion led by Francisco Pizarro. This destruction was driven by military slaughter—such as the massacre of thousands of unarmed attendants at Cajamarca—brutal forced labor, and European diseases like smallpox. Key Mechanisms of the Devastation Biological Warfare: Lacking immunity to Old World pathogens, the Inca population was decimated by waves of smallpox and influenza, which spread rapidly even before the Spanish arrived in full force.Massacres & Military Conquest: Conquistadors utilized steel, horses, and gunpowder to ambush Incan leadership, famously capturing and executing Emperor Atahualpa. Exploitation & Forced Labor: The mita system forced indigenous Anden populations into brutal, deadly labor in silver mines like Potosí, significantly accelerating the population collapse. Cultural Erasure: Systematic efforts were made to eradicate local traditions, burn indigenous texts, and eliminate scholars like the khipukamayuq (specialists who recorded history using knotted cords). The Toll: By 1620, it is estimated that the indigenous Andean population had declined by up to 90% due to a combination of introduced diseases, warfare, and severe colonial exploitation. While historians debate the term "genocide" because much of the mortality was unintentional (due to disease) and driven by the desire to subjugate a workforce rather than completely extinguish the people, the net effect was the utter destruction of Incan civilization.
Gobbler_of_Cock@reddit
I'm not reading a GPT response
500ls@reddit
Forza Horizon 5 lmao
matt_Nooble12_XBL@reddit
AC black flag took place in and around the Spanish & English Caribbean colonies, RDR 1 had a whole section of the game set in Mexico. I can’t really remember any else but those are examples of historical games set in that region.
WearIcy2635@reddit
Those are both set way way after the initial Spanish conquests in the early 1500s
matt_Nooble12_XBL@reddit
Oh I could not read that in the picture
EisKohl@reddit
American Conquest
Features Navajo native Americans, English pioneers, and naturally Spanish conquistadores
caribbean_caramel@reddit
Have you ever heard of Europa Universalis?
Lebowski304@reddit
Is this when the inquisition happened?
DizzyVenture@reddit
Obligatory mention of the rambling mad man
https://youtu.be/jv4XdYc7vDU?si=DwLEssnBcW6cDvoD
https://youtu.be/mTcZSDgs7_A?si=KwdEvy5f9SNI0S52
https://youtu.be/aEiLuy1B6UA?si=2HT7XyiQ4M9XbA-N
Major-Hand7732@reddit
If anyone knows where I can get the Ubi Soft game 'Theocracy', released 2000, lmk
Pappa_Bjorn@reddit
It was sort of a genocide. We don’t see a lot of games about the killing fields, the Armenian genocide or the holodomor either to be honest.
FloZone@reddit
Ah yes the famous Eichmann Simulator. Experience the superior logistics of the Third Reich.
yababouie@reddit
The YouTuber Djpeachcobbler would agree.
FloZone@reddit
Indeed those conquistadores were fine adventurers, living the fairy tale.
Izbitoe_ebalo@reddit
Sid Meier's Pirates?
thesyves@reddit
Where's that son of a bitch Baron Raymondo at?
ProRomanianThief@reddit
WHERE'S THE LAST FUCKING LOST CITY?!?!
MagiksSon@reddit
The spanish were a bunch of mass murdering rapist pedophiles, nobody would play that. Also npc's who think all native american tribes sacrificed people (which has been widely recognized as being insanely overexagerated by the spanish to demonize native people) are the most low iq sheep on the planet.
shitpostbot42069@reddit
I’m hoping this will be big
https://youtu.be/fOvR2kCLyJQ?si=5SUGLdt_7E_qOP-b
CroatInAKilt@reddit
Expeditions: Conquistador. A little bit light on rape, pillage, and genocide though 😔
Theproperorder@reddit
Avaria iron rule just got funded basically this.
Flamadin@reddit
Seven Cities of Gold?
_Stealth_Hawk@reddit
His point still stands.
romulusnr@reddit
_Stealth_Hawk@reddit
romulusnr@reddit
It watered it way down, but.... Sid Meyers Colonization is a time-tested classic