sometimes i feel like a guest in my own life
Posted by heidfeld82@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 17 comments
my six year old had a Grundschule worksheet spread across the kitchen table last night, the kind with little cartoon animals to label. he was sounding the words out with a yellow pencil. i sat down with my coffee and said "die Hund" without thinking. he looked up at me and said "papa, der Hund. der." then went back to coloring the dog brown. my wife was at the sink and didn't even turn around.
i handed in my citizenship application last week. nearly five years in berlin now, german wife, two kids, stable job, the whole setup. on paper i'm exactly the person these forms are designed for.
the night before i submitted, my wife sat across from me at the kitchen table and ran through the checklist in german. dokument hier, dokument da. then she asked, very kindly, if i wanted to practice the kind of questions they might ask. i nearly lost it at the pity of needing my wife to run flashcards on my own citizenship application. i said no, i'd be fine. i wasn't fine.
i'd told myself i was a solid B1. A1 at the VHS when i first arrived, A2 at a sprachschule, duolingo streak going almost a year, a pile of nicos weg episodes in the evenings. i could read my landlord's emails. i could follow a slow podcast on the bike. it turned out the only thing i couldn't do was function in real time when someone unscripted was talking to me.
the paperwork was the easy part. the social stuff is what wears you down.
a Stammtisch in friedrichshain a couple months back, eight of my wife's school friends, three conversations going at once in slang i didn't recognise, jokes ending before i'd grasped the setup. one of them switched to english for me and the table sort of paused. they were being kind. i wanted to hide under it.
on sunday we were at my in-laws' in Potsdam, the flat smelling like her mom's Rouladen. my mother-in-law tells a story across the table. my wife laughs at the right time. my kids - both of them - talk back to oma in fluent german with the easy speed kids have. i catch maybe one sentence in five and try to laugh half a beat after my wife so it looks like i'm tracking. at one point her mom reached across and said something soft to me about my older one being a kind boy. my wife translated. i smiled and nodded. i wish i could've said it back myself.
somewhere in year three i'd quietly given up. let people switch to english at parties. tried speaking german at work for months but they always just replied in english, so i stopped trying. built the kind of expat loop i used to mock: Mitte coffee shops, english-language meetups, a fixed set of english-speaking friends. five years here and i was still introducing myself as "an american living in berlin", like i had one foot on a plane back to texas.
something shifted this winter. i think it was when the Niederlassungserlaubnis came through. i could legally stay here forever, and the english habit was my fault. switched my phone to german. Tagesschau on in the background instead of Netflix. started making every phone call in german. the first Telekom call went so badly i accidentally signed up for a service i didn't want and had to call back the next day to undo it, in german, which somehow went better.
what actually worked, separate from all the daily-habit stuff, was talking out loud every day. an italki tutor on tuesdays who'd politely refused to switch to english on me from session one. even just 15 mins of conversation practice on boraspeak over coffee before the kids woke up. Easy German on youtube before bed. i dropped duolingo entirely after realizing it just created the illusion of progress. none of it was magic. i just started speaking badly every day until it stopped being painful.
friday morning my kid asked where his Turnbeutel was and i answered him in one clean sentence. he just kept walking.
anyone else been stuck in this in-between where you feel like you haven't quite earned it? when did it start actually feeling like home?
historymysterygift@reddit
You gotta give yourself a pat on your back for putting all that effort to learn German to get to higher level. Seeing that paid off, especially conversing with your kid, must feel awesome!
After intensive german courses, masters degree (in German) and full-time job in german-speaking firm, I consider myself quite fluent in German (i don't have much trouble understanding/communicating complex topics at work, for example). But definitely not native level and still sometimes feel like an outsider in some social settings.
I also still often can't follow/make proper jokes. Still not a fan of watching (OV versions) of German films because I have to concentrate 100% to follow 90% of what's going (dubbed films are fine though).
And the final boss... my (soon-to-be) in laws and their bavarian dialect .. that's a whole different can of worms and I wasn't prepared š
So, I think it's fair to say we are all doing our best and it's fine to feel a little bit on the outside at times. You're doing a great job with german-learning. Keep going!
schonada@reddit
Dude, eww. What is this teary mushy story. Get over yourself, I have C1 and still don't know what fkn Artikel the words have. And it will probably take me 6 years more to get my Pass cos noone is marrying me or checking my papers on a lovely afternoon, you fkn drama queen.
Free-Amount6724@reddit
Just do what you want its your life so prioritize yourself š
Kingsley-Zissou@reddit
3 years in the Netherlands. No American friends (I really didnāt want to fall into the expat bubble š ). I can do all of my daily business in Dutch. My co-workers know Iām an immigrant, but most think I come from Germany or South Africa. My partners friends and family no longer feel the need to switch to English to accommodate me.Ā
But now I get chastised because my 2 year old only speaks Dutch. He understands perfectly when I speak to him in English, but he only replies to me in Dutch.Ā
Thereās always something to struggle with..
Flyboy_BCN@reddit
Expat in Spain, over 10 years now. My wife doesn't speak much English which was a huge help. I still make a lot of errors but I consider myself fluent in English. Where do I get stuck? Exactly what you said... the dinners with multiple conversations at the same time, I get lost. Or the place with a very loud atmosfere, I don't hear the convos well and I still get lost. Being an expat and a foreign language is hard at times but it gets better with time, even though it will never be as native as being in your home country.
whitelikerice1@reddit
I think thereās really nothing wrong with hanging out with other expats, like typically when people move from one country to another they end up gravitating towards circles of people from their same country and culture
JonasErSoed@reddit
Feeling with you. I've lived in my partner's country for seven years and I still struggle with the local language, despite spending what feels like an eternity (and a fortune) on courses, private tutors, reading the news, watching Youtube, writing a diary in the language and such.
Some days I feel like I can't even enjoy my sparetime, because I have this feeling that I should rather be studying.
My partner says I'm taking it too seriously and it's not like she isn't right about that - but I'm just so fed up with constantly feeling socially isolated and that I'm the odd one out, because I still can't keep up with what everyone around me is saying.
Besides this I have a pretty ideal life here, but this just bothers me so much at times.
EnvironmentalSea2138@reddit
Thank you so much for sharing your experience so honestly. Your post really spoke to me because in two years my husband and I (same sex couple, mid sixties) are planning to move to Berlin from the United States. I grew up in Germany and am fluent in German. my husband is American and can read and understand some German, but is far from fluent. I was wondering if you would be willing to share, a little more, what worked and didnāt work, what was helpful and what was not for learning German as an American in Germany? I gather that Duolingo was not that helpful. You mentioned some language tutoring ā was this in person or online? I guess Iām looking for advice what I can do to help my husband, and what is most useful for him to do. The only idea Iāve had so far is to get him a one-on-one language teacher. iām sure we will continue speaking English among ourselves. Most of our friends in Berlin speak both German and English. But I think itās important for my husband to become fully fluent in German. Thank you for any further advice you might be able to give.
heidfeld82@reddit (OP)
the biggest thing i'd flag is that comprehension and speaking are different muscles. you can read all the books you want and still freeze when someone is talking to you. that's why duolingo was a waste of time for me - you're training your thumbs, not your mouth.
what worked best was a weekly italki tutor online (around $15/hr) supplemented with daily conversation practice with boraspeak. i needed a space to make mistakes, get corrections, and not feel judged. a lot of people think having a partner who is fluent is enough, but they don't realize the burden it puts on them or the structure they actually need. that said, you could agree on certain times to speak German together once he is at an intermediate level, for example only speaking in German at dinner or during a walk once a week.
consistency beats intensity, but your husband has time on his side. he should start building his vocabulary now and listen to easy german or start doing nicos weg online course. that way when you guys move he can fully benefit from immersion. hope that helps.
smooshfest@reddit
Thanks for sharing your story! Iām in a very similar situation as you, also Berlin. Iām the parent teaching English to my kids, so speaking German is also my biggest hurdle. I can understand quite a lot, but I struggle to produce responses. Even after a decade here. And just to be frank, itās harder for some of us to pick up other languages than others. However, Iāve embraced the life weāve created here. Itās a good one. This is home and our story is not uncommon, nor is it a failure of some kind. I will continue to practice and I will slowly make ground, but my identity and growth shows my kids that the world is bigger than their world. Berlin is special because itās home to so many different and unique people. Everyone has a story to tell, and itās ok to not fit into a mould.
EnvironmentalSea2138@reddit
Thank you so much ā thatās very helpful.
Throwawayboxx@reddit
Your husband should start now by taking a weekly A1 class at the local Goethe-Institut and working his way up. German should be learned in a structured way similar to how one learns math. There are important building blocks from level to level.
werchoosingusername@reddit
I had to chuckle at 'i dropped duolingo entirely after realizing it just created the illusion of progress.'
Throwawayboxx@reddit
Five years in Germany is literally nothing in the scope of learning German as an adult. Itās so different from English.
As a ten-year immigrant to Germany from an English-speaking country, I would ask why you havenāt you signed up for a weekly or intensive class at the Sprachschule if youāre so frustrated by your lack of German skills?
Learning by ādoingā and from Tagesschau (as youāre describing) is a sure-fire route to having iffy grammar and a lopsided vocabulary. Itās also a lot to put on your wife and kids to upskill you.
FinestTreesInDa7Seas@reddit
Do you feel like part of your delay in learning German was initially trying to "save face" infront of your family, and not wanting to look like inexperienced?
I feel like this dynamic of being in a new country with your family would be challenging, because making the effort to immerse yourself might make you feel less like the "paterfamilias". As men, it can feel belittling to look incompetent infront of our families. Testosterone sucks.
Your story reminds me of one of the most formative memories of my dad in my childhood years. I grew up in Canada with my dad being a British immigrant, and my mother being a French immigrant, and we kids spoke a moderate amount of French. When I was about 11 or 12, he decided to force my mother to teach him French by immersing him in French for a while, and he would "parent" us in a language he barely knew, and he would thank us even when we kids corrected him. I think it taught me to feel okay about looking incompetent because a zeal for learning was more impressive.
heidfeld82@reddit (OP)
honestly yes, you nailed it. the kids piece is the hardest part. thanks for sharing your dad's story.
Practical_Gas9193@reddit
Thereās nothing to earn. Itās your life. Literally every expat experiences the in between for years on end, some permanently. Youāre not doing anything wrong and are being really unfair to yourself.