China Clamps Down on Overseas Travel for AI Talent at Alibaba, DeepSeek

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MaleficentAbrocoma46@reddit

I think this is also a protective measure, as there are reports that the US plans to lure Deepseek’s technical staff into a trap overseas.

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ViRROOO@reddit

Oh no! I’m trapped making too much money. More money than all the generations before me combined! Nooo!

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Arcosim@reddit

Tell that to the US literally jailing any retired military pilot going as an instructor to China. Rules for thee but not for me.

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ViRROOO@reddit

Oh no! I provided defense services without a US license, now I violated AECA and now I’m going to jail!!!

What a stupid take. One is a literal law in vigor since world war 2, the other case is holding talent from making a job decision that is not covered by any law (yet)

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Due-Memory-6957@reddit

And what you're seeing here is the law in China lol. Very silly of you to make that argument.

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So.. you are saying that China will lock those people in? What do you even mean? Or you are trying to say that they are saving those researchers from the evil americans that will trap them with a castle of money that they wont be able to leave? lol

Really, what are you trying to say with your comment? If China decided to expand their Article 12(5) (citizens who may endanger national security or interests) Exit and Entry Administration Law, how does this compares to the alleged American pilots who got jailed for committing a crime?

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Due-Memory-6957@reddit

You're saying it's alright when the US does it because it's the law of the US. By that same token, it's alright when China does it because it's the law of China.

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svachalek@reddit

You’re expecting China to make a law about AI during World War 2?

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ViRROOO@reddit

No, I said that the US Defense export is highly regulated (read AECA) and its in vigor for a long time, meaning that the military people that made this conscious decision of violating it, knew they could end up and jail and decided to take the money anyway.

Then I said "the other case is holding talent from making a job decision that is not covered by any law" meaning that China does not have a new or old law in vigor that prevents talent to make a job decision on the AI research/development field. (And I doubt they will ever do, since they benefit from people working at top US firms then coming back with more knowledge.)

So its not a case of "Rules for thee but not for me", its a obvious case of one person committing a crime (in this case the alleged military pilots) and the other is a person not committing any crime nor violating regulations and just making a job decision until China decides to impose a new law or regulation on the topic.

Also, this might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

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One-Employment3759@reddit

How can you make money while in DHS concentration camp?

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eposnix@reddit

By 'trap' do you mean a job that could make someone generationally wealthy? Oh no!

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tengo_harambe@reddit

The US has a history of prosecuting Chinese scientists over nebulous espionage charges

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shaneucf@reddit

Or a bullet.. given how US can invade countries and arrest people regardless of international laws.

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thread-e-printing@reddit

Aristocracy is a mental illness

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soshulmedia@reddit

Of whom, though? Those who are the aristocrats, or those who idolize them?

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thread-e-printing@reddit

It is a general illness. Both must be infected for the vector to reproduce

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the320x200@reddit

Ahh they got me with the golden handcuffs!

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New_Zone5490@reddit

people from america & the west, notice that this is how china normally behaves

deniers of this reality, with a childlike idealistic flawed worldview, think we can just be friends with everyone on this planet, including countries like china, as if we are all still in kindergarten

they ask, "why cant we just get along?"

we cant get along bc life is competition, both on an individual level & national level

always be mindful of this harsh reality of geopolics & never trust other countries like china & russia who see you as an enemy & are hostile to america & the west

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soshulmedia@reddit

Trusting your own gov is (at best) a childlike idealistic flawed worldview as well.

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New_Zone5490@reddit

no government in the world can be trusted

but governments of countries like china are less trustworthy than those of the west

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graypasser@reddit

I somehow feels US is least trustworthy government of all, probably something to do with ridiculous amount of conspiracies being revealed, doesn't mean other countries are hiding something similar, but it's normal to assume "if there is something visible, more of them is lurking in darkness" in my opinion..

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New_Zone5490@reddit

context matters here. why does this need to be explained?

by "trust", i mean trust them not to deliberately attempt to inflict economic, military or humanitarian harm against you, your neighbors, your society

countries hostile to your country & hold grudge against your country are more likely to attempt these things than your own

i agree that the american government cant be trusted in a lot of aspects

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j0j0n4th4n@reddit

As someone from South America I can guarantee you that by your own metric for "trustworthness" of a country, it would put the USA in a position a million times worse than China to us.

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New_Zone5490@reddit

so you are from the wrong country

get off reddit if you are so anti america, reddit is an american platform

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dark-light92@reddit

Have you seen any news since Trump became president?

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New_Zone5490@reddit

i get what youre saying

but once hes gone & a sane, more traditional republican president or a democrat president replaces trump, america will no longer be the threat that it currently has become. i hope, at least

china on the other hand, is a full blown dictatorship that has continuously posed a long term threat for far longer & continue to pose a long term threat

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graypasser@reddit

by "trust", i mean trust them not to deliberately attempt to inflict economic, military or humanitarian harm against you, your neighbors, your society

Being honest, It is quite hard to have such a trust for west nowadays.

Hell, you may say something like "your own company can be lot more harmful because they have direct power over you", it just "depends on context" and not something that can be as simple.

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New_Zone5490@reddit

"context" as in technological, economic & military competition between countries,

not just any context

what reddit page do you think we are on? what's the title of this post? what's the article about?

you have very low reading comprehension skills. i'm done talking to you. bye

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graypasser@reddit

Oh well, seeing someone thinking they are rationale while being completely irrational is quite exhausting, but you do you I guess.

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pirateadventurespice@reddit

You do realize that people with high level security clearance in the US have to have their travel approved in a similar method to this, right?

Like, you get that "the west" does this as well and has for decades?

Don't bother telling me it's not the same. My spouse has a clearance level so that all their travel must be approved just like this; so, I literally know his through my lived experience. I'm guessing you fucking don't, you xenophobic fuckwit.

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Due-Memory-6957@reddit

Maybe to the people of the West. As China has never orchestrated a coup my country nor trained the torturers of the following dictatorship to become even better at torture, I trust China far more.

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New_Zone5490@reddit

ok you are from a wrong country. blocked

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soshulmedia@reddit

The west seem to have the unfortunate goal (sometimes even stated) to "become like China".

I think trustworthy should not be applied to gov, wherever you reside on this planet.

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New_Zone5490@reddit

government trustworthiness exists on a spectrum not as a binary

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soshulmedia@reddit

Snake trustworthiness exists on a spectrum not as a binary

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New_Zone5490@reddit

your own government can at least be trusted to not steal your nations valuable tech, reward thieves of intellectual property, or sabotage your nations economy, or in more extreme cases, even attack you with weapons of mass destruction

a country that is hostile to country & hold grudge against your country is more likely to attempt these things to you than your own government is

stop playing silly games of rhetoric

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One-Employment3759@reddit

I trust them more than country with dementia patient in charge.

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Due-Memory-6957@reddit

You do know the US also limits the travel of their own VIPs, right?

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New_Zone5490@reddit

not ai talents

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graypasser@reddit

Never trust any government, be it china or US doesn't matter.

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thread-e-printing@reddit

Nah, "competition" is just something a bunch of Mediterranean pedos made up 2500-2000 years ago to validate a society based on war. All games are stupid and all prizes are stolen. Writing it in lower case in sermonistic tones doesn't make the West's nationalistic cosmos interesting or valid.

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New_Zone5490@reddit

be quiet, chinabot

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YMRTZ@reddit

Most countries have travel restrictions for individuals working in sensitive fields...some guy with US Top Secret security clearance can't just travel to China on a whim either. I don't know why this is being hyped up so much.

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Stunning_Mast2001@reddit

Because I’ve never heard of this being applied to a private sector government researcher

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j0j0n4th4n@reddit

Is almost like China is a socialist country, right?

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Stunning_Mast2001@reddit

They’re state capitalist

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One-Employment3759@reddit

Ate you a private sector researcher with top secret clearance? Then why would hear anything

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Stunning_Mast2001@reddit

Because I’ve been to many ai conferences with top global researchers and this has never been a thing before

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FullstackSensei@reddit

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BobsView@reddit

because "china is bad" is mainstream narrative based on ignorance of most people

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Hanthunius@reddit

The insane mental gymnastics of the Chinese thinking the government is "protecting" the scientists is mind blowing.

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FullstackSensei@reddit

You think the US or any other power with any sort of advanced tech doesn't have similar restrictions on their scientists?

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MmmmMorphine@reddit

I suppose I could be badly mistaken about this, but to my knowledge they can have some restrictions but they're usually pretty minimal (e.g. Certain DoE-adjacent employees have to report travel) but it's rarely analogous to soviet style exit visas in either breadth or extent.

This seems a pretty major change in how China approaches this sort of thing, going after a much wider range of people and in the private sector.

It's kind of a no brainer to have keep some degree of control over the people who maintain and build your nuclear weapons and similar areas especially when they're government employees.

This seems like a significant expansion on China's part. Though again things may have changed quite a bit since my dad was in some way attached to that sort of thing.

Still, I wouldn't want this treated as an either or proposition. Just cause China does it, doesn't make it any more moral for the USA (or any other country) except in very carefully circumscribed circumstances

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RealPjotr@reddit

Protecting? This is to stop them from being poached.

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One-Employment3759@reddit

Well if they go to USA, DHS will put them in concentration camp. So both are true

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AWSLife@reddit

You mean being paid what they are worth instead of being kept in a market that under pays them.

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thread-e-printing@reddit

Value is just quantified blackmail. Just because a slaver is willing to set a price doesn't mean anybody else needs to allow the transaction to happen.

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Dangerous_Bus_6699@reddit

Yeah, I don't get what's so hard to understand.

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5553331117@reddit

There currently like 10 nuclear scientists that are missing from the New Mexico area right now. lol

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FreedomHole69@reddit

No there aren't. Read more than a few memes next time.

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thread-e-printing@reddit

Stop larping

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the320x200@reddit

Real "he only hits me because he loves me so much" energy.

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smashedshanky@reddit

Aaaand happens right after TikTok was allowed in US…. I think we are doing this to ourselves at this point

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pirateadventurespice@reddit

Despite the weirdos here pretending otherwise, this is pretty standard practice for most governments for a very long time. If you are an incredibly high level worker in a field viewed as of national significance, your travel becomes constricted.

I'm not defending it at all; but, it's not a novel concept. What is interesting is that China seems to be viewing AI workers in that category, not that that category exists.

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kaggleqrdl@reddit (OP)

Nobody does for AI except China. US does it for nuclear/military, but not certainly not AI. Taiwan has an issue with people going to China. Russia does whatever Russia does. Beyond that - who are you talking about?

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pirateadventurespice@reddit

I'm literally saying that what's interesting here is that China is doing it for AI. I believe they are the first/only nation to be doing so. We are in agreement.

People in the comments are acting like travel restrictions on high level assets in the private sector are an unheard of practice. They're not. As you note, the US does it for various areas (as do many other countries). This is interesting and unique because it's for AI.

I wouldn't be shocked if we see other nations follow suit.

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baybal@reddit

If any Chinese programmer is reading this, and is experiencing troubles on the border, please DM me, and I will try to help

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thread-e-printing@reddit

Which think tank do you work for?

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thread-e-printing@reddit

OP, do you work for OpenAI or Palantir? If not they will probably pay you for having made this post

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kaggleqrdl@reddit (OP)

Sheeeeeeit, I can get paid for this???? lulz

I like what China is doing on green energy. But this is lame. Other countries, of course, also do lame things.

But two wrongs do not make a right.

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throw_me_away3478@reddit

US has a vast history, even recently, of killing scientists….

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Foreign_Risk_2031@reddit

The us and Israel have killed more scientists than any other countries combined

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hampsterlamp@reddit

Source?

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thread-e-printing@reddit

You're getting downvoted for posing Western boomer propaganda as if it were fact, and not well debunked hysteria. If you're going to stand up for the Roman order, you need to find and add its body count.

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June1994@reddit

Edit: I’m getting downvoted asking for a source on a wild claim. The Soviet Union (Stalin mostly) killed the most scientists in history. Israel/US 20-30, Soviet Union several thousand. I’m no scientist but those numbers aren’t close

You’re correct, but you were also trying to be clever. Just stick to the point next time.

Also, the event you allude to happened in the last millennium.

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