Shock of Iran war unites Middle East rivals in pushing towards peace
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Region adapting to diminished US power after Washington fails to land knockout blow on Tehran or safeguard allies
The shock of the Iran war and its fallout has driven rivals in the Middle East to get behind a peace deal, pushing the Trump administration to accept a tentative agreement in the face of furious opposition from Israel and its supporters in Washington.
The diplomatic efforts come as the region is reshaping to adapt to diminished US power after Washington’s inability to land a knockout blow on Iran, force the opening of the strait of Hormuz or safeguard its Gulf allies. Tehran has few friends in the region, but the regime’s survival has meant that its neighbours have had to find an accommodation.
Andreas Krieg, an associate professor at Kings College London, said the Gulf was shocked at the degree to which Washington protected Israel first against Iranian drones and missiles, despite the trillions of dollars of Gulf investment pouring into the US.
“We’re probably seeing the final days of American empire in the Middle East,” he said. “Across the Gulf, there is complete disillusionment with American influence and the ability of America to lead.”
The provisional deal was agreed at the end of last week after Pakistani and Qatari officials travelled to Iran in a final push for an outline agreement between Tehran and Washington. In a call with Trump on Saturday, leaders from a group of eight Muslim-majority nations urged him to accept a deal that would end the war, reopen the strait of Hormuz, and relaunch negotiations on Iran’s nuclear programme.
The United Arab Emirates, which had reportedly urged fellow Gulf countries to join the war against Iran and carried out its own airstrikes, swung behind the peace deal alongside Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Bahrain, Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt. The regional consensus-building process appeared to repair some of the bitter rivalry for influence between the UAE and Saudi Arabia, with several phone calls between their rulers taking place in recent weeks.
The fallout from the war leaves little prospect of more countries joining Trump’s signature Abraham accords to establish better relations between Israel and several Arab states, despite his demand on Monday that all the countries involved in the peace negotiations should do so. When Trump used the conference call on Saturday to urge more countries to sign up, he was reportedly met with silence. Islamabad, which led the mediation efforts, has said that disunity in the Muslim world only plays into the hands of Israel.
The US presence in the Middle East, spread across more than a dozen bases, is expected to remain. But countries are reaching out to additional security partners in the region and beyond, with Europe set to take a bigger role. During the war, Pakistan sent troops and fighter jets to defend Saudi Arabia, while Egyptian soldiers and planes were stationed in the UAE, Cairo’s biggest financial backer. There is also talk of striking non-aggression agreements with Iran.
Abdul Khaleq Abdullah, a political science professor in the UAE, said his country had wanted to see Iran with no missiles and drones, no proxies and no nuclear activity, but that ultimately proved unattainable.
He said a new Middle East was emerging with Turkey, Israel and the Gulf states competing to fill the vacuum left by a weakened Tehran.
Fluffy-Republic8610@reddit
This seems like good news. One of the most unifying actions the world could take for the middle east is to hold Israel to account to end it's impunity.
A meeker Israel, having to seek deals to get out of sanctions, will allow some of Iran's more troublesome behaviour to drift off the priority list.
A greater European involvement. And a less American interference, might help reassure some of the regional players.
garanvor@reddit
The best silver lining I can think of this whole conflict is nudging the world towards electrification.
Dragoncat_3_4@reddit
At the cost of worldwide critical fertilizer shortage in the exact year we get a super El Niño. Lots of people will die because of this.
garanvor@reddit
yeah, that is what a "silver lining" usually means.
Fluffy-Republic8610@reddit
Yes that's a silver lining indeed. Hard agree.
QuotableMorceau@reddit
Assuming most what is in the article is true, Israel/US have basically lost the war and the third parties in the region will basically move forward with non-aggression deals with Iran. I disagree that Israel and the Gulf States will compete for any power in the ME ... it will basically be a struggle between remaining US presence, Turkey and Iran. Israel has been sidelined after their intelligence blunders already, and the Gulf States will do as Iran dictates from now on.
The Hormuz Strait has proven to not be the only Achilles'Heel for the Gulf States, I think a bigger weakness is how low their tolerance to being militarily attacked is, mainly due to being resource extraction countries with a immigrant workforce.
garanvor@reddit
So Iran is coming out of this from an isolated pariah country to a regional power.
Good job, gringos.
ironbutterflies@reddit
Funny how everyone laughs at Russia for not being able to take out Ukraine in short order, but no ones laughing at how Iran basically did to the US what Ukraine did to the Russians. Paper Tiger much? yes, no, something in the middle. It's almost like 40+ years of being on edge about the largest military in the world attacking them and then expecting they would crumble over night. Not working out well is it?
giboauja@reddit
America didnt commit to a full war with Iran. They assumed a bombing campaign would get Iran to give up nukes and maybe lossen theocratic/autocratic power.
Neither happened and Irans ability to cheaply produce explosives and willingness to just fcking fire at everybody made everyone in the middle east pay for the war.
This is nothing like what happened in Ukraine/Russia...
RevengeWalrus@reddit
The Iran invasion makes the Russian attack on Ukraine look like tactical genius in comparison. Revealing that our military is scared shitless of boots on the ground from Iraq and we're completely reliant on air superiority and surrogate forces is a huge fuckup, among many. Plus we've now revealed a big glowing weakness that can cripple our country at any fucking time, and we're the farthest away from it.
And as more and more countries convert to solar, we'll be increasingly isolated in that vulnerability (cause let's be real, we're not giving up oil any time soon). We've handed the world a "destroy the U.S." button on a silver platter. Which, as I say it, is probably a good thing.
kitti-kin@reddit
Well the US lost a war to the Taliban within the last few years, so this is basically par for them
Uuuuuii@reddit
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fartingbeagle@reddit
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Turgius_Lupus@reddit
Just Brzezinski’s superior Polish strategy: break ties with and antagonize Iran while going all-in on supporting Israeli hegemony, bearing fruit. Which he, of course, realized was a mistake later, but by that point you had complete Israeli capture of U.S. Middle Eastern foreign policy for its own ends. Just another example of how Carter and his Polish advisor were history’s greatest monsters, along with being incredibly stupid, if the support for the Khmer Rouge due to no strategic consideration besides being bitter about Vietnam, another mess the U.S. walked into, was not indication enough.
NekoCatSidhe@reddit
It is only logical. Regardless of who actually “won” the war, the Gulf States got dragged into it against their will by their alliance with the US, and the US proved unable or unwilling to properly defend them against Iranian retaliation. No wonder that they are turning towards other regional military powers like Turkey and Pakistan, who have common borders with Iran, in order to keep Iran in check in the future. I don’t think Iran has any plans to actually invade the Gulf States, but if they do, risking a war with Turkey or Pakistan as well should be enough to discourage them.
Of course, if they replace their alliance with the US with close military alliances with Turkey and Pakistan, they are likely to close the US bases actually on their territory, which will remove any reason or excuse for Iran to target them again in the future, wvwn if the US starts another war with Iran.
None of that is doing anything to wrestle control of the Strait of Hormuz from Iran though.
kitti-kin@reddit
How could your posited scenario be anything but a win for Iran (or the government, at least)? Sovereignty over the Strait, and US military bases off their borders.
NekoCatSidhe@reddit
A lot of their infrastructure still got bombed, major political leaders got killed, the country got blockaded, and so on. This will still have a negative impact on their economy and political stability in the next few years. The US will likely lose a lot more than Iran did both politically and economically as a result of that war, but it is still a loss of sort.
Iran may still think it is worth the price if they can keep control of the Strait in the future and get rid of US military bases in the Gulf, but they are not there yet.
SaneForCocoaPuffs@reddit
I don’t think it’s so cut and dry. It’s true that the US is an unreliable partner who prioritizes Israel over any other ally and can drag countries into war at any time.
However, Iran is literally bombing them.
There is a risk that if they capitulate to Iranian demands, Iran can perpetually demand more and more stuff from them with the Hormuz threat. Let’s say they kick out the US from their bases and sign the pact with Iran. 5 years from now, Iran might say “OPEC is producing too much oil, make less or I will blockade Hormuz” and then what? What if Iran says “Saudi Arabia must allow more Iranians for Hajj or we will blockade Hormuz”? What if Iran says “Al Jazeera must stop saying mean things about us or we will blockade Hormuz”? What if Iran tries to start Yemen or Iraq style militias in Gulf countries and blocks any move against them with Hormuz threats?
The US is unreliable and dangerous, but they are the Gulf’s only military defense against Iranian aggression. Jordan and Egypt are dealing with upstart Iranian militias as we speak.
Of course there is a simple answer to all this. If China is willing to accept them into its sphere, that gives them a historically stable and non-insane partner who can influence Iran to not Hormuz them. The issue is that China is so conflict avoidant that they only provide support financially and the Gulf needs a military power.
wet_suit_one@reddit
Middle east peace?
Huh...
I'll believe that one when I see it. I suspect I'll be long dead before that arrives. This is not a land of peace or at least hasn't been for my entire 50+ years of life.
Maybe one day though. That'd be nice. A nice stretch of peace with no one murdering anyone else en masse.
Imagine that?
One can dream can't one?
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