M72I firing both 5.56 NATO and 5.56 INSAS.

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MishmashWatanabe@reddit

Indian arms development is such a bizarre carnival of ideas, sometimes it's interesting, sometimes it's asinine, sometimes it's something good and then they make 2000 rifles, stop making them, and develop something else, sometimes it's a pocket Sig deal because MIM factories.

It feels like a giant grift looking from the outside. Like it's just spending to spend, a mafioso situation. "Yeah, I know a guy, my cousin can make yous a buncha assault rifles, real good, real cheap", everybody gets paid, and there's like 50 pallets of some rifle that'll get fielded by a couple of units for a couple of months, a bunch of flaws will get discovered, and then they get put back in the boxes and stored somewhere.

That's just my outside take though.

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GesuMotorsport@reddit

That 5.56x30 looks kinda neat

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DJTilapia@reddit

Isn't this 5.56×45 INSAS?

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GesuMotorsport@reddit

go to page 8

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DJTilapia@reddit

Yes, 5.56×30 exists, but so does 5.56×45 INSAS, and it's a neat trick if the gun in the video can shoot both 5.56×45 NATO and 5.56×30 INSAS.

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VermelhoRojo@reddit

Why the hell would they make it rock and lock??

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vishavlalhal@reddit (OP)

This is a India specific variant of the gun, can shoot both 5.56 NATO and INSAS. So they had to design their own magazine to take both NATO and INSAS cartridge.

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GigabyteAorusRTX4090@reddit

Like I’m not an expert but according to several sources 5,56 INSAS is the rifle platform.

It takes regular 5.56x45mm NATO and I couldn’t even find a specific ammo that is specificity made for this

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vishavlalhal@reddit (OP)

It uses a proprietary 5.56 cartridge. Jump to page 6.

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VermelhoRojo@reddit

I read this, and based on some other limited information, it appears they changed the powder profile and maybe the projectile design, which is based on the SS109. It’s a big stretch to call it a new cartridge, but if the Spaniards did it with the 7.62 CETME I guess India can too 🤷🏽‍♂️

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moose8021@reddit

The actual bullet is longer, like 3mms longer and has a bit more pressure. It's pretty werid

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loogie97@reddit

Is India one of those countries that bans anyone from owning a rifle in military calibers?

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Historical-Count-374@reddit

This is an In House rifle platform that conforms to NATO standards. They do not have a proprietary ammunition for this rifle currently, as there is no need

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J3RICHO_@reddit

What is the difference between 5.56 INSAS and 5.56 NATO?

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vishavlalhal@reddit (OP)

On page 6.

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somerandomguy101@reddit

I read page 6, and I still don't know the difference. Like, why not just use 556 NATO?

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vishavlalhal@reddit (OP)

The INSAS cartridge is longer, higher pressure, and the projectile is heavier than NATO one. The idea behind this was to prevent the use of the ammunition if it falls in enemy hands.

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moose8021@reddit

I was reading up the paper and I truly think that 5.56 INSAS feels like an extremely goofy idea, I see why it was developed as a better 5.56 and without being able to be used by enemy forces easily, but the Chinese doesn't use 5.56 in their military rifles and NATO nations don't tend to use munitions from enemy forces (unless they have to use captured weapons in exceptional circumstances)

I assume the actual use case is for other than regional forces or insurgents, which makes a bit of sense, but is still odd because if you are capturing enough ammunition to make it viable to field, then you'd likely have captured enough weapons to utilize said munitions. I see the reasoning, but I can't really get behind it, especially if it can fire standard 5.56 NATO. Shit, if it was something like a 6/6.5mm round or some other goofy round but actually has significantly better ballistics while still remaining an intermediate cartridge, that would be pretty baller

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PassivelyInvisible@reddit

A lot of Indian designed weapons have odd choices, or partially bad designs. They'll have something on the gun that doesn't work very well, or the gun itself it odd, or the gun's just too big for what they want it to do.

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KingofSkies@reddit

Oh yeah, they have that mp7 looking thing that fires an intermediate round right? So it's quite large instead of being a pdw

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moose8021@reddit

That thing fires 5.56x30mm, kinda like an overpressured and heavier 5.7x28, having a range of 150 meters to punch through level III (doesn't say IIIA or standard III, but I'll give it some spice and assume III) and having an effective range of up to 300 meters. They have a couple of weapons that fire that round. One is a slightly larger MP7esque PDW and the other is a weird modular multi caliber carbine. The idea is neat, but it's a niche weapon like the P90s and MP7s in this world, since it cannot reach out and touch someone and it's not so much more effective than a standard infantry carbine in close quarters. I can see how it could be popular with the super secret squirrel dudes and other specialists, but it couldn't be massively adopted.

Something I want to see is a round the size of 5.7 with the effectiveness of 7.62x51, and with either polymer cases or with caseless ammunition. pipedream? Sure, but that would be pretty sick

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vishavlalhal@reddit (OP)

Are you referring to JVPC?

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